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  • So I have a question for you.

    問你們一個問題

  • Off the top of your head could you sing any music from Star Wars ?

    說到《星際大戰》你們腦中出現任何音樂嗎?

  • How about James Bond ?

    那《007》呢>

  • Harry Potter ?

    《哈利波特》?

  • My last question : can you sing anything from a Marvel movie ?

    最後一題:你可以哼出任何漫威電影的音樂嗎?

  • I'm like the biggest Marvel fan that I know and I just...

    我是個漫威的鐵粉,但我....

  • I can't think of any of the songs.

    想不出任何音樂

  • - No. - No...

    不能 不能

  • I should know this, but I don't.

    我應該知道的,但我不知道

  • Shit.

    雪特

  • I didn't know they have, like, theme songs.

    我不知道他們有....主題曲

  • Why is this ?

    為什麼會這樣?

  • Because the Marvel cinematic universe is now the highest-grossing franchise in film history.

    因為漫威電影宇宙已經是影史上最賣座系列

  • More than Star Wars, more than James Bond,

    比《星際大戰》還多,比《007》還多

  • more than Harry Potter,

    比《哈利波特》還多

  • so what is missing from their music ?

    所以他們的音樂少了些什麼?

  • The first problem is that most of the music doesn't evoke an emotional response.

    第一個問題是大部份的配樂無法激盪觀眾的情緒

  • Take a look at this scene from the first Ironman :

    還看看《鋼鐵人》第一集的這一幕

  • Day 11. Test 37. Configuration 2.0

    第11天,第37次測試,設定2.0

  • For lack of a better option Dummy is still on fire safety.

    沒有更好的選擇,Dummy還是負責滅火

  • If you douse me again and I'm not on fire, I'm donating you to a city college.

    如果我沒著火你還噴我,我就把你捐給市立大學去

  • All right, nice and easy.

    好了,慢慢來

  • It's kind of hard to hear it. So let's try that one more time,

    很難聽清楚,所以我們再來一次

  • But this time with just the music isolated.

    但是這次只有配樂

  • Did you have an emotional reaction to that music ?

    對於音樂,你有任何情緒反應嗎?

  • So what happens to the scene if we just take it out ?

    如果我們把音樂從這一幕抽離呢?

  • Day 11. Test 37. Configuration 2.0

    第11天,第37次測試,設定2.0

  • For lack of a better option Dummy is still on fire safety.

    沒有更好的選擇,Dummy還是負責滅火

  • If you douse me again and I'm not on fire, I'm donating you to a city college.

    如果我沒著火你還噴我,我就把你捐給市立大學去

  • All right, nice and easy.

    好了,慢慢來

  • The scene works just fine and it doesn't need any other sound.

    這一幕如次也沒有問題,它根本不需要任何配樂

  • And that's partially why you forget the music.

    這也是你想不起他們配樂的部分原因

  • it's like the air conditioner in the background, after awhile you tune it out.

    這就像是你把背景的冷氣聲調小一樣

  • Another problem is that the music is used very predictably.

    另一個問題是配樂的使用太好預測了

  • So that what you see is what you get.

    所以你看到什麼,就只有什麼

  • If you see something funny you hear funny music.

    如果你看到好笑的場景,你就會聽到好笑的音樂

  • If you see something sad, you hear a high note on the strings.

    如果你看到悲傷場面,你就會聽到高音弦樂

  • This is a really safe way to score a film, because all of the emotions are expected.

    這其實都是電影配樂的安全牌,因為所有的情感也很有預測性

  • The music just tells you the same thing as the picture.

    這音樂只是在覆誦銀幕上發生的事

  • If someone looks scared, then you hear :

    如果有人受到驚嚇,你就會聽到

  • And this is the second reason the music is forgettable.

    這就是他們的音樂如此沒有記憶感的第二個原因

  • It never challenges your expectations.

    它從來都不會去挑戰你的期待

  • But sometimes the Marvel films do have memorable music,

    但漫威有時候還是有令人難忘的配樂

  • except the filmmakers don't let us listen to it.

    只是製作團隊不讓去聆聽

  • Instead they cover it up with other sounds like this :

    他們寧願把其他的聲音覆蓋上去,像這樣:

  • Denied enlistment due to poor health,

    由於身體不好的關係,被拒絕入伍

  • Steven Rogers was chosen for a program unique in the annals of American warfare,

    史提芬.羅傑斯被美國戰爭史上最獨特的計畫選中

  • one that would transform him into the world's first super soldier.

    將他轉化為世界上第 一名超級士兵

  • That narrator is just telling us things we already know,

    旁白說的是我們早就知道的事

  • And he distracts us from the emotion of the scene.

    他其實是在分散我們對於這一幕的醞釀

  • So how does this moment play without that distraction ?

    如果我們將這雜訊從這一幕抽離呢?

  • Did you feel the difference ?

    你有不同的感受嗎?

  • Film music is incredibly subjective and it goes through trends.

    電影音樂是非常主觀而且也有潮流演變的

  • And over the last 20 years there has been a cultural shift.

    過去20年來,已經有了文化上的轉變

  • Nowadays a lot of filmmakers feel that music should not be noticed,

    很多現在的製作團隊認為配樂是不需要被注意到的環節

  • That's a contemporary thing that I've heard very frequently,

    這是現在我最常聽到的事了

  • "not supposed to be noticed"

    "不應該被注意到"

  • Right but, why is it not supposed to be noticed ?

    好,但是,為什麼不應該被注意到

  • I grew up on Alfred Hitchcock's films, Bernard Herrmann, and i noticed every note.

    我是看希區考克電影長大的,伯納德·赫爾曼(Bernard Herrmann,美國電影配樂作曲家),他的作品我都有注意到

  • And I find it a little bit baffling why that seems to be the consciousness

    我對於這種趨勢還是感到莫名其妙

  • of music and film.

    音樂和電影

  • But there is one thing we haven't mentioned yet and it's very important.

    有一個我們還沒講到的原因,非常重要

  • Today blockbuster movie scores are composed to a particular process,

    今日電影巨片的配樂製作其實都依循著一個特別的流程

  • And that process starts with one controversial element :

    而這個流程的第一步有著蠻具爭議性的元素

  • Danny you groaned earlier when someone mentioned temp music, the pros and cons ?

    丹尼,剛剛有人提到暫時音軌(Temp Music)時,你哼了一聲。 它有什麼優缺點?

  • For me temp music is the bane of my existence

    對我來說,暫時音軌,是我一生的禍害

  • it's my job to make the director forget everything he's heard in the temp,

    我的工作是讓導演忘掉他聽到的暫時音軌

  • I won't listen to it but once, I'll never listened to it twice,

    我只會想聽一次,絕對不會有下一次

  • and if they're addicted to it it's just going to make my job harder.

    如果他們(導演)聽暫時音軌上癮了,我的工作會變得很艱難

  • Let's back up a second : temp music is when you're editing a film,

    我們倒帶一下,暫時音軌是當你剪輯電影時

  • and you take music from another movie and use it temporarily in your cut like this :

    用來暫時墊檔的其他電影配樂,如

  • Tenp music is always supposed to be replaced by composers' original score.

    暫時音軌終將被作曲人的的新配樂取代

  • But sometimes directors or producers will tell their composer to imitate the temp.

    但是有時候某些導演或製作人會要求作曲人模仿暫時音軌

  • To our knowledge, this is the only time a studio has publicly apologized

    就我們所知,這是唯一一次有片商

  • for imitating temp music.

    對於暫時音軌的模仿公開道歉

  • The far more pervasive effect is that now

    配樂越是泛用性

  • most blockbusters are temped with each other's scores.

    越多電影大片就會想要爭相使用

  • So they kind of sound like each other, but just within legal limits.

    所以到頭來都在合法的範圍裡,聽起來都差不多

  • And as the Marvel franchise has become more popular, now other films sound like

    隨著漫威系列越來越受歡應,其他的電影音樂如

  • they were tempt with Marvel music.

    他們開始模仿漫威的音樂

  • We want to emphasize : we're not blaming the composers.

    在此強調:我們沒有在怪罪作曲人

  • Things don't get this way unless its systemic.

    如果不是系統醒的原因,事情是不會發展到如此的

  • Before temp music became popular, directors would often reference other music

    如果暫時音軌變得受歡迎,導演們就會越常拿來做參考

  • as a way to talk to the composer. But what changed everything was

    用來跟作曲人討論,但是改變這一切的是

  • modern nonlinear editing which allowed a director to put their favorite music

    現代的非線性編輯方式,讓導演將他們喜愛的音樂

  • in the movie and have the editor cut to it.

    放進電影中,讓剪輯師來剪接

  • Now, director points to the temp and says : "Make it like that".

    現在,導演們會指著暫時音軌說:弄的跟它一樣

  • And it's not because the music is the right choice,

    這不是因為這音樂是正確的選擇

  • but because they've listened to it.

    只是因為他們剛好聽到它們(音樂)了

  • Again and again and again for hours and hours

    一次又一次,一小時又一小時

  • making a DVD that match and they go back with another idea another version the

    我們幫DVD上配樂

  • next day with the same music, and at some point of the music stick to the picture.

    然後隔天他們又有新的想法和版本,但同時音樂已經跟電影黏在一起了

  • - They can spend a year before you arrive.

    在你出現之前,他們已經為這些電影準備了約一年

  • By the way when you take that music out often the cut isn't right

    [附帶一提,如果你將不太對的音樂拿走

  • because they're cutting to something that... It's very frustrating.

    只因為他們....這真的很讓人沮喪]

  • Part of the frustration is that filmmakers just reuse things

    部分沮喪的原因就是導演重複使用別的電影中有效的東西

  • that worked in every other movie, so you end up with the lowest common denominator.

    所以最後的決定都只達到最低標準即可

  • Remember this ?

    記得這一段嗎

  • Let's try something different.

    我們來試試不同的東西

  • So earlier in the film, Thor convinced his friends to do

    該片早期,索爾說服朋友們

  • something illegal and he was banished.

    去做一些違法的事情,而他也因此被放逐了

  • Now they're doing something illegal to find him.

    現在這些人為了找到他,也做了違法的事情

  • He's not asking for their help, they're giving it willingly.

    他沒有求救,他們是出自願的

  • What if we heard this feeling in the music ?

    如果我們可以從音樂中聽到這種情感呢?

  • We're not saying this is the right choice here, but it's worth trying out.

    我們不是說這是最正確的選擇,但是的確值得一試

  • Because it makes the scene emotionally richer.

    因為這樣可以讓這一幕的情感更豐富

  • And all of the choices you see in Marvel films :

    但是所有漫威電影的選擇:

  • the background noise, hearing what you see, adding a narrator, temp music.

    就是背景聲音,所聽即所見,旁白覆蓋、暫時音軌

  • All of these stem from the same desire : to keep things safe.

    這麼做都只有一個原因:想打安全牌

  • This is not bad music, it's just bland and inoffensive.

    這些不是差勁的音樂,只是很平淡、人畜無害而已

  • And because Marvel sacrifices emotional richness for these safe choices,

    因為漫威為了安全犧牲了豐富情感

  • the end result is this :

    結果就是

  • Oh... Marvel ? Na - oh...

    喔...漫威? 想不到

  • So what is missing from Marvel music ? Risk.

    所以漫威音樂少了些什麼? 冒險

  • The kind of risk that creates an emotional connection with the audience.

    這些有機會利用音軌創造出情感連結的冒險

  • So that they carry the music with them. People do not remember safe choices.

    所以才會印象深刻。人們是不會記得安全牌的

  • Only bold original music, and do this :

    只有大膽的原創音樂,然後再

  • But that being said, we did find one Marvel theme that still got this reaction :

    講了這麼多,我們還是找到一首有如此反應的漫威主題曲

  • Spiderman ! Spiderman ! Friendly neighborhood Spiderman !

    蜘蛛人,蜘蛛人,友善的好鄰居,蜘蛛人

  • Spins web any size, catch thieves, just like flies. Look out ! Here comes Spider-man!

    噴出網子抓賊就像抓蒼蠅 注意! 蜘蛛人來啦!

  • Is he strong? Listen bud, he's got radioactive blood.

    他強壯嗎? 聽著,他有著核能感染的血液

  • Can he swing from a thread Take a look overhead.

    怎麼可能這樣盪來盪去 仰頭望望就知道了

  • Hey there There goes the Spiderman.

    看哪,蜘蛛人又盪過去了

  • In the chill of night At the scene of a crime

    寒風颼颼的夜晚 犯罪的現場

  • Like a streak of light He arrives just in time.

    就像一曙光 他剛好趕上

  • Spiderman, Spiderman, Friendly neighborhood Spiderman, Wealth and fame, He's ignored, Action is his reward.

    蜘蛛人,蜘蛛人,友善的好鄰居蜘蛛人 不顧名利,做好事,就是他的獎勵

  • To him, life is a great big bang up. Wherever there's a hang up, You'll find the Spider man.

    對他來說,人生本來就起起伏伏 只要你牽掛,蜘蛛人就在你身旁

  • -That was incredible ! Thank you so much !

    太強了! 真是太感謝了! (歡迎FB搜尋:zass17)

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