Name: 奧普拉和艾倫記得改變歷史的 "出櫃 "情節 (Oprah and Ellen Remember the History-Changing 'Coming Out' Episode)
Uploaded: 2021-01-14T06:55:46.000Z
Duration: 7 min 48 s

I mean, I hadn't watched it until a few days ago, since it aired.

播出後我就沒看過出櫃那集，直到幾天前..

過去簡單式

- What a great show, I was LOL-ing for real.

- It holds up, it's funny from beginning to end, all of it's funny.

- Even I was funny, and didn't think I was.

連我都很好笑，我從來沒想過我能搞笑

- I was so nervous, I was so nervous, and you were cracking me up.

我當時很緊張，妳一直在逗我笑

where you're talking about the civil rights and going to the back of the bus.

妳談到民權運動，黑人只能坐在巴士後面座位

And like, my God, do we have to go to the back of the bus too?

當時妳說，天啊，我們非得坐後座嗎？

I was pulling onto the 101, and I called you, and asked if you would do this.

我當時開車，然後打給妳，問妳是否願意參與演出

And I was really shocked that you said yes.

And my second..  - I said yes immediately, did I not?

沒說「讓我想想，給我點時間考慮」之類的話

我心中第二人選是作家 Maya Angelou

And cuz I thought, first of all I love you, and you are the queen, and

因為我很喜歡妳，而且妳是脫口秀女王

I thought you would legitimize all of it.

You would make it like people would go, this is,

- Well, the thing is, I didn't even think about, I didn't even give it a thought.

I didn't even think, gee, what will this cost me?

What will other people say, how will I be presented?

別人會怎麼看我？我又該怎麼表演？

I just said yes, because I so believed in your truth, and I so

我二話不說就答應，因為我相信妳

- But did you, I mean, we've talked since then.

So when you said yes away, even though you've done all the shows about,

當妳答應邀約後，雖然妳當時在節目上也做過出櫃內容

at that time... - I was doing Coming Out Day on the show.

never using a dramatic format like what you had.

但從沒像妳一樣用戲劇方式呈現

You had a different platform, in which to reach millions of people,

呈現方式不同，戲劇接觸的觀眾數以百萬計

但妳當時收到很多惡意攻擊的信件

- It was so bad, the next day after the show, I flew back to Chicago.

裡頭充滿仇很，我播出隔天便飛回芝加哥

I mean, we had to put another person on the switchboard.

I remember something like 900 and something calls, they couldn't keep up.

我記得大概有900通電話，我們人手忙不過來

And I said, well, what are people saying?

我問工作人員，他們在抗議什麼？

And the switchboard operator's like, you don't wanna know, Ma'am,

負責接電話的人說，妳不會想知道的

And I said, no, I really want to know what they're saying.

我就說，我真的想聽聽看他們的意見

And so, I started looking at the sheet, and

And I was like, go back to Africa over a sitcom?

我心想，滾回非洲？ 這只不過是情境喜劇

I was on an sitcom, I was talking to Ellen, and she spoke her truth.

我當時扮演妳的心理治療師，然後妳向我出櫃

And a lot of the N-word, a lot of vile, vitriolic stuff.

還有很多人罵我「黑鬼」這類攻擊語言

And, I've been thinking about it, knowing I was gonna come on the show.

我一直在思考這件事，我在戲中軋上一角

And I was never so surprised, by the hatred

I never had that kind of thing slamming me in the face.

And what I thought was, gee, I misread that everybody was like us.

那時我才知道，原來不是每個人都和我們一樣

That they were open-minded, and that they were receptive, and

擁有開放的心胸，願意包容別人的不同

that, wanted people just to be who they are.

So it taught me a lot, actually, it really did.

- Yeah, it really, it was surprising how many people lay upset.

Because my whole thing, and I've said this before, that I was a comedian.

這整件事...我以前說過，我是諧星

I was funny, and I just so happen to be gay, and I just got tired of hiding it.

我負責搞笑，剛好我是同性戀，我不想再躲躲藏藏了

And I thought, well, nothing is going change, I'm still funny,

我心裡想，出櫃後也不會改變什麼事，我一樣搞笑

They're just now going to know, and plus, I assumed that people did know.

只不過大家現在知道我是同性戀，而且我覺得觀眾早就猜到

I didn't think it was gonna be that much of a shock, and so it really-

it was like that woman, that clip that you ran earlier on my show.

而是像之前播的片段，裡頭有位女士所說的...

20 years ago, people kept things to themselves, they were quiet.

20 年前，大家不會把家務事攤在外人面前

You hid the fact that your husband had an affair, you didn't mention it.

如果妳老公外遇，妳不會和別人說

You were pretending to be who you weren't,

in a way that we no longer find acceptable in our culture.

much of that changing, you were the bravest woman ever.

妳幫助社會改變，妳是史上最勇敢的女性

about the kind of courage it took, and I know I did a full-on interview with you.

這是多需要勇氣的事，我以前專訪妳時也談過

But now, with time and perspective, I mean, just watching the other

I was thinking, well, if I got that kind of hate mail and

我在想，連我都遭到這麼嚴重的攻擊

And what must that have done to your spirit at that time?

- Yeah, I have a lot of death threats, a lot.

是啊，當時很多人威脅要置我於死地

And a lot of, and there was a bomb scare when we shot.

當我們拍片時，很多人威脅要用炸彈攻擊我

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奧普拉和艾倫記得改變歷史的 "出櫃 "情節 (Oprah and Ellen Remember the History-Changing 'Coming Out' Episode)

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