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  • Through most of this campaign on our European

  • future, the Remain camp led by the Prime Minister have

  • dominated the headlines, with blood-curdling warnings

  • about the economic danger of leaving.

  • But this week, the Leave campaign has put itself

  • The issue that's cutting through is immigration.

  • The EU immigration story really started back in 2004

  • when a surge of migrants arrived here from Eastern Europe.

  • The man in charge then, who is today a passionate advocate of Remain,

  • is Tony Blair the former Prime Minister.

  • And as gloves come off over immigration, one of the most vocal

  • opponents of EU membership and a likely contender in any Tory

  • leadership campaign, former Defence Secretary Liam Fox joins me.

  • Also here, reviewing our papers, a man who knows all about

  • the turmoil the euro has caused but nevertheless wants us

  • to stay inside the EU, Greece's former

  • Speaking of Greece, have we in this country too often treated it

  • as a sun-soaked holiday destination and not thought enough about

  • That's the theme of a new play starring Elizabeth McGovern

  • I caught up with a dressed down Lady Grantham at

  • And there's music from the Nashville singer who created what might have

  • been John Peel's favourite album ever, Laura Cantrell.

  • And alongside Yanis Varoufakis, one of Fleet Street's

  • leading Eurosceptic voices, The Daily Mail's Amanda Platell.

  • But first the news from Christian Fraser.

  • Two senior Conservatives have publicly challenged David Cameron

  • to accept the failure of his manifesto pledge

  • The Prime Minister promised to reduce net migration

  • The current figure is more than three times that amount.

  • Boris Johnson and the Justice Secretary, Michael Gove,

  • who both support the Vote Leave campaign, have written an open

  • letter, saying the promise to slash net immigration to the "tens

  • of thousands" is not achievable as long as the UK

  • They say the failure to keep this promise is corrosive

  • Downing Street described the move as "a transparent attempt

  • to distract from the fact that most economists think that leaving

  • the single market would be disastrous for jobs,

  • Iraqi government forces have made gains in their offensive to drive

  • so-called Islamic State militants from Fallujah.

  • Large numbers of troops have been deployed near the city and have

  • taken the town of Karma, which was the front

  • It comes just days after Washington said an Islamic State

  • commander was killed, along with dozens of militants,

  • A man has been killed in Poland and a child is on life support

  • in a French hospital after a series of lightning strikes across Europe.

  • The child was struck during a birthday party

  • According to local authorities, 11 people, including eight children,

  • were injured while trying to seek shelter under a tree.

  • The 100th anniversary of the Battle of Verdun,

  • the longest of the First World War, will be commemorated

  • As many as 800,000 soldiers are believed to have been killed

  • or wounded during the 1916 battle, which became known

  • The French President, Francois Hollande,

  • Angela Merkel, are expected to call for European unity when they lay

  • Now the front pages, you would expect lots of politics and you have

  • got them. David Cameron, to which to care about immigration, says Priti

  • Patel. We will talk about that later. I cannot show you the front

  • page of the Sun, but here is page two, all about the referendum. It is

  • about the shoot out after the poll. This is a pretty tough letter

  • because it suggests he undermined deliberately public trust by the

  • tens of thousands. On the Daily Mail,, this one takes a slightly

  • different view. The Observer, a massive boost for the Prime Minister

  • is over 600 economists reject or accept. That is the story that

  • Number Ten say the other stories are there to divert us away from. Yanis

  • Varoufakis and Amanda Platell, it is great to have you here. It signifies

  • a retreat from the Tories who are for the Leave campaign away from

  • what I consider to be their strong issue, sovereignty. They have

  • retreated to the Ukip agenda of scaremongering about migration. This

  • is very interesting because the two campaigns were against each other.

  • The Ukip campaign and the Tory campaign. What they have found...

  • This campaign has been running for some weeks now, the Leave campaign

  • have lost the argument on the economy so now they are thinking,

  • they had regrouped last week, we have one month to go, what can we

  • win on? Immigration. Their weakest argument from where I am standing is

  • migration. The fact they are treating simply shows panic and a

  • descent to an abyss from which I do not believe they can recover. It is

  • what a lot of people in this country really care about in terms of stress

  • on the NHS. Of course these are genuine concerns, but what I am

  • reading today in the paper is grabbing. To be clear, there was a

  • meeting earlier this week and this is a change of tack. Absolutely,

  • they realised they lost the argument on the economy. The euro is in the

  • perilous state, but they didn't win it, time is running out, so you go

  • back to what your strongest points are. In the Sun you have Michael

  • Gove having slagged off David Cameron in the Remain. He said the

  • five key facts David Cameron cannot answer, and it is immigration,

  • immigration, immigration... All of them are immigration. The force of

  • this letter is that it is true in that the tens of thousands promise

  • could not possibly be technically met ever so for the Prime

  • Minister... To go to the Prime Minister and say you have made a big

  • mistake... The Tories cannot say they didn't support this claim, they

  • supported it at the last election. Your point is an excellent one. The

  • worst enemy of the Remain campaign has been David Cameron, promises

  • that he has delivered that cannot be fulfilled. The forge that he came

  • back from Brussels, presenting it as a reformed, I am a supporter of

  • Remain but I wish David Cameron was not campaigning on my side. Very

  • good. Where are we going next? The Economist is next. A very brief

  • comment against my own lot. It was once said that if you laid every

  • economist in the world end to end, they still wouldn't reach a

  • conclusion. Indeed! But there was something worse to say about us. The

  • Royal economic Society, of which I am a member, these are the very same

  • economists to whom the Queen addressed a letter with a

  • devastating question, why didn't you see it coming? They spent three

  • months concocting the longest apology in the history of social

  • science. To have those same economists with wonderful predictive

  • powers... We don't trust you that much, with all due respect. You

  • shouldn't, we have never predicted anything! That is also true. There

  • is so much mud slinging, the knives are out of the back pockets, and you

  • see John Major saying he is savaging boorish Brexit. He is calling them

  • liars. What happens at the end of all of this? Do you take the view

  • that whatever happens in the vote there will be a leadership challenge

  • quite quickly? If I were to bet on it, yes, cause there is such mutiny

  • in the way the Government have used their resources to create this fear

  • campaign at the start of the election, and these people used to

  • be friends. Michael Gove and David Cameron used to be great friends,

  • you cannot go back from that. Also I have met up for drinks, I have to

  • say, with a number of these people who claim they are the ones who want

  • David Cameron out, who claimed they already have the signatures they

  • need. On John Major's point, if I may add, John Major is completely

  • right. The Treasury's figures are dodgy, not worth the paper they are

  • written on, but where John Major... He is highlighting the fact the

  • Leave campaign is also based on dodgy statistics. Let's face it,

  • this is a one-off event, it has never happened in the history of the

  • world for a country like Britain to leave the union like the European

  • Union. To pin down what this will mean for mortgages, the value of the

  • pound and so on, it is not based on scientific facts. The discussion

  • should be about sovereignty, about the effect of the Brexit on Europe,

  • on the British people, this is the discussion we should be having. I

  • think I have just found an economist I trust. I am going to stick however

  • with the Tory infighting story because my colleague John Pienaar

  • had an interesting chat with a Tory backbencher who said these are the

  • numbers, we are going to have this challenge, and that connects to

  • Priti Patel who was also going for the jugular. She was one of David

  • Cameron's proteges, she is going for broke now, distancing herself from

  • the leadership of the Tory party because these people suspect they

  • have a good chance of getting David Cameron up pretty quickly. It is a

  • sad fact that monumental referendum boils down to a Tory infighting

  • tussle about who will replace David Cameron. The Prime Minister has

  • already declared he doesn't want to be Prime Minister for much longer. A

  • lot of these campaigns are not Tory at all, the Labour Leave campaign,

  • the Remain campaign and so on. None of the big hitters are at the heart

  • of the opposition are actually putting their heads up. Yesterday at

  • UCL we had more than 1000 people and we try to do exactly that, to bring

  • the radical case for participating in the referendum from our Remain...

  • To actually animate it and have something to say that goes beyond

  • tactics. There are people on the left in this country arguing Brexit

  • should be supported because it will split the Tory party. This kind of

  • mindset, it is very petty, just as petty as the Tory side. This is a

  • significant juncture in the history of Europe and we should be worried

  • about its effect on the generations to come.

  • We are showing the Tony Blair interview in a little bit of time.

  • Blair is all over the papers as well of course, making his case. His main

  • argument seems to be if you have any concerns don't believe because there

  • is a devil that you know and a devil that you don't know. Beforehand, I

  • pleaded that David Cameron should not be trying to help the Remain

  • campaign. If that is so, imagine how much more it is pertinent in the

  • case of Tony Blair. Having Tony Blair on your side in any campaign

  • is a glass of poison. And you have picked up a story in the Sunday

  • Telegraph about the Chilcot inquiry. Yes, I am surprised by this issue,

  • whether he should be tried and imprisoned or or not. I think the

  • best outcome... From the point of view of history and humanity would

  • be for Tony Blair to be forgotten and treated with the contempt it

  • deserves. We have failed to forget him on this programme yet, I take

  • your point. Any last stories before we crashed out of the paper review?

  • There was this wonderful thing on Britain's Got Talent, a guy who used

  • to do magic tricks on the guy who used to do magic tricks, Burma

  • railway. It was absolutely fantastic, wonderful English heroic

  • patriotic music and there was this 96-year-old former card trick

  • magician. It was great TV. Tonight we are both going to be watching Top

  • Gear. We are both petrol heads. I'm looking to see how the BBC can

  • recreate the chemistry of the previous lot.

  • Now the weather, and I'm indebted to The Times for reminding me how

  • the American poet James Lowell described May - not just

  • a capricious month, "a pious fraud, a ghastly parody of real Spring".

  • So, for a weather forecast, delivered entirely in verse,

  • Wishful thinking! I have something much more corny. Sunshine, sunshine

  • in the sky, see-through clouds to tickle your eye. And the sunshine

  • will be tickling the eyes through the course of this afternoon. For

  • most other cities looking fine out there. It was quite grey over

  • eastern areas and on the North Sea coast, quite gloomy this morning

  • first thing, but now the sunshine is out and it promises to be a

  • beautiful and sunny Sunday. There are some showers in the forecast,

  • across northern and central parts of Scotland,

  • possibly even a thunderstorm. Showers across the hills in Wales

  • but temperatures widely in the 20s today. Cooler on the North Sea

  • coast. On bank holiday Monday, many of us have the day off with sunshine

  • around in western and central areas of the UK. We have been forecasting

  • Miss for the last few days, and we are expecting rain fall into East

  • Anglia, London and into Brighton later in the afternoon. Once again,

  • the vast majority of the UK should enjoy a fine bank holiday Monday

  • with lots of sunshine. Tuesday, back to work, and we are expecting some

  • rain but some areas will remain sunny in the west. Back to you. Rain

  • on Monday, there we go. Immigration became the main

  • theme of the Vote Leave Perhaps not surprising,

  • with the release of official figures showing net migration to the UK

  • at 330,000 last year. There's no escaping that statistic,

  • and it stands in contrast to David Cameron's target

  • of reducing immigration Now the Leave campaign have written

  • to the Prime Minister urging him to accept that this pledge has not

  • been met and is "corrosive One of the leading figures

  • on the Leave side, the Conservative former

  • Defence Secretary Liam Fox, is here. That letter that your side has sent

  • to the Prime Minister is a statement of fact, isn't it? No government

  • inside the EU can guarantee that immigration will fall to tens of

  • thousands. No Conservative MP who was elected at the last election can

  • fulfil our pledge to the British people, including me, if we stay

  • within the European Union. One of the points that people have failed

  • to grasp is that I am quite sure that the Prime Minister wanted to

  • get restrictions on free movement to meet that target, but it wasn't on

  • offer. There is no reform EU and it is a fantasy. Was this ignorance or

  • deceit? The Prime Minister wanted to get that change and we all wanted it

  • but now it is totally clear that if we stay in the EU, with free

  • movement, and we saw 184,000 net EU migrants coming to the UK last year,

  • that will not be a pledge that we can meet. It is impossible when you

  • are planning public services to be able to deal with those numbers and

  • have school places predicted, NHS, housing, all huge issues for real

  • people. Downing Street said today it was a distraction but

  • it is not a distraction. It is a huge issue for many people facing

  • implications of immigration in their real lives. Your party went in to

  • the election on a manifesto that was not true. No, it was entirely

  • possible to get that, but only if we admitted the renegotiation was not

  • going to achieve what we wanted because our European partners would

  • not change course and they will not change course on anything. They are

  • progressing the European army plans and everything suggests ever closer

  • union is still on the cards, so our choice as a country is between

  • getting control and taking our destiny into our own hands, or ever

  • closer union, ending up in what is likely to be much closer to a single

  • European state. That is not the future that I want for my country.

  • Brochures stuff in the papers today. Blue on blue. Do you think the Prime

  • Minister should carry on after the referendum? Do you think you should

  • lead any negotiations with the rest of the EU if we vote to leave? If we

  • vote to leave, my personal view is the best thing would be for the

  • Prime Minister to stay on. We will have to have a government position

  • before we enter into negotiations under article 50. We need a period

  • of stability. Whatever our views have been touring