Armstrong or at least portray that to the general public and for people to realise who

阿姆斯特朗或至少向公眾描繪出這一點，並讓人們意識到誰是

he is, he goes on to win 7 tour de France, he retires, he makes a comeback, he becomes

他是，他繼續贏得7個環法，他退休，他復出，他成為

so powerful and so big, there must have been a point where you started to think is you

如此強大和如此之大，必須有一個點，你開始認為是你

know is this person too big, too powerful with too much money to ever be toppled almost.

要知道是這個人太大了，權力太大，金錢太多，幾乎永遠不會被推翻。

Yes I have to say I always felt he was too big to be toppled. If you said to me did you

是的，我不得不說，我總覺得他大得不能再大了。如果你跟我說你有沒有

see the end coming as it came, no I didn't, I absolutely didn't because in 2001 I found

看到結束來了，因為它來了，不，我沒有'沒有，我絕對沒有'沒有，因為在2001年，我發現了。

out that he was working with Michele Ferrari doping doctor, should that have not made a

他和米歇爾-法拉利的興奮劑醫生合作，這應該不會讓人懷疑。

big difference, it should, did it, no. Lance said I believe Michele's an honest man and

大的區別，它應該，做了，沒有。蘭斯說，我相信米歇爾'是個誠實的人，而且。

a lot of the journalists said well that's ok then Lance believes he's honest, David

很多記者說，好吧，那'好吧，那麼蘭斯相信他'是誠實的，大衛。

wrote Lance believes he's honest then what David Walsh said is interesting but not that

寫道：蘭斯相信他'的誠實，那麼大衛-沃爾什說的是有趣的，但不是說。

relevant. So i come up with Emma O'reilly and she says I was Lances masseuse there was

相關。所以我和艾瑪-奧'雷利一起來，她說我是蘭斯的按摩師有

doping in the team and I put that in a book with Pierre Ballester and people say you know

興奮劑在團隊中，我把它放在一本書與皮埃爾Ballester和人們說你知道的

what Emma Reilly's just one witness may be a bitter ex employee and then I go to Betsy

什麼艾瑪-萊利'的只是一個證人可能是一個痛苦的前僱員，然後我去貝特西。

Andreu she heard him admit using doping Oh shes a bitter wife of a team mate and Lance

安德魯，她聽到他承認使用了興奮劑 哦，她是一個隊友和蘭斯的妻子，她很痛苦。

had a way of diminishing all the people who spoke against him and I suppose the bit that

有一種方式減少所有的人誰說話反對他，我想這一點。

really frustrated me was the readiness of so many to accept Armstrongs totally implausible

真正讓我感到沮喪的是這麼多人願意接受阿姆斯特朗的完全不可信的說法

explanations, to accept the fact that he felt he could carry to assassinate anybody who

解釋，接受事實，他認為他可以攜帶暗殺任何人誰誰誰。

spoke against him and I found that depressing it was like If you were a big guy you could

說話反對他，我發現，鬱悶它就像 如果你是一個大個子，你可以。

say whatever you like about other people and the journalists who should have been challenging

隨你怎麼說別人，怎麼說那些本該挑戰的記者。

you didn't challenge you and were prepared to let you get away with it.

你沒有&#39；挑戰你，準備讓你逍遙法外。

13 years obviously is a long time to pursue one person almost or one subject, do you feel

13年顯然是一個漫長的時間，追求一個人幾乎或一個主題，你覺得呢？

like it's closed now for you?

像它'的關閉現在你嗎？

Yer I think it is pretty much closed and people you know because I was on this case for a

我想這是相當多的關閉和人 你知道，因為我是在這個情況下，一個。

long time I feel I've got exaggerated credit for it really I mean if you want to know how

我覺得我已經得到了誇大的功勞，真的，我的意思是，如果你想知道如何

Lance armstrong was brought down you need to look at Lance Armstrong not David Walsh

蘭斯-阿姆斯特朗是被擊倒的，你要看蘭斯-阿姆斯特朗，而不是大衛-沃爾什。

because although Lance was a smart guy I think his smartness was more the analytical type

因為雖然蘭斯是個聰明人，但我覺得他的聰明更多是分析型的

of intelligence, I don't think he was emotionally intelligent. He didn't realise that Floyd

的智慧，我不認為他是情感上的智慧。他沒有意識到弗洛伊德。

Landis would constitute a very dangerous enemy, so when Floyd Landis got banned after 2006

蘭迪斯會構成一個非常危險的敵人，所以當弗洛伊德-蘭迪斯在2006年之後被禁賽的時候

Tour de France and came back and is looking, is reaching out to Lance for some help and

環法自行車賽，回來後正在尋找，正在向蘭斯尋求一些幫助和。

Lance says basically get lost you're a loser you were caught. Lance made an enemy of a

蘭斯說基本上滾蛋吧你'是個失敗者你被抓了。蘭斯做了一個敵人的

guy who is incredibly dangerous because Floyd is tough, he's hard and when he takes his

他是令人難以置信的危險的傢伙，因為弗洛伊德是強硬的，他是硬的，當他把他的。

gloves off he's a formidable fighter. So Floyd took the gloves off, wrote about what

手套關閉，他'是一個強大的戰士。所以弗洛伊德摘下了手套，寫下了什麼

life was like in the US postal team and because maybe people like me had created a lot of

在美國郵政隊的生活是什麼樣的，因為可能像我這樣的人已經創造了很多的。

doubt about Lance Armstrong then you had people like Travis Tygart, the united states anti

懷疑蘭斯-阿姆斯特朗，然後你有像Travis Tygart，美國反的人。

doping agency CEO you had people like Jeff Novitzky who was conducting an investigation

興奮劑機構首席執行官 你有像傑夫-諾維茨基這樣的人 誰在進行調查

into doping in cycling. They were listening to Floyd because in a way maybe what I had

到自行車運動中使用興奮劑。他們聽佛洛依德的，因為在某種程度上，也許我已經

done had created enough doubt for Floyds allegations to have a huge amount of credibility, but

所做的事情已經造成了足夠的懷疑，使弗洛伊德的指控具有巨大的可信度，但。

Floyds allegations were the turning point in this story and from that moment on we had

弗洛伊德的指控是這個故事的轉捩點，從那一刻起，我們就有了

entered the end game, and it was going to end very good for the truth and very badly

進入了終局，對真相來說，結局會很好，也會很糟糕。

for Lance Armstrong.

為蘭斯-阿姆斯特朗。

Do you think that had he not come out of retirement, back in 2009 that we might not be sat here

你覺得如果不是他在2009年退役 我們可能不會坐在這裡

talking about the same subject because things might not have come out?

談論同一個話題，因為事情可能沒有出來？

Totally, if he hadn't rid-, if he hadn't made his comeback in 2009 there is no way

完全，如果他沒有擺脫，如果他沒有在2009年捲土重來，沒有辦法

in the world that he would have been caught in my eyes, but it's like you know we've

在世界上，他會一直在我的眼睛，但它像你知道，我們已經

all watched Hollywood movies right, the guy has been the greatest bank thief in the history

都看過好萊塢電影吧，這傢伙是歷史上最偉大的銀行大盜。

of robbing banks and he's accumulated a lot of money and he goes into retirement and

搶劫銀行和他'的積累了很多錢，他進入退休和

he's living a nice sedate life and somebody comes along and says you know there's one

他過著美好的平靜生活，有人來了，說你知道有一個

last job that you should consider doing, and for Lance Armstrong coming back in 2009 was

你應該考慮做的最後一項工作，而對於蘭斯-阿姆斯特朗在2009年回來是

that one last job, couldn't resist it, I believe he did it for the money, that he felt

那一個最後的工作，無法抗拒它， 我相信他這樣做是為了錢，他覺得

he needed some extra money before finally going into retirement, but he was lured by

他需要一些額外的錢，才最終進入退休，但他被引誘了。

that one last job, one last adventure, and it's, it's you know the history of Hollywood

這最後的工作，最後的冒險， 它是，它是你知道好萊塢的歷史。

is littered with movies that have bored us with guys coming out of retirement for one

遍地都是電影，讓我們感到無聊的傢伙出來的退休一

last job and Lance was just you know another of that genre.

上一份工作和蘭斯只是你知道 另一個類型的。