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  • Hello, I'm Neil Grigg. I'm in the Department of Civil Engineering at Colorado State University.

  • This session is going to be about conflicts and diplomacy in water resources. I'm a professor

  • in the department of Civil Engineering, as I mentioned. Normally, you would think of

  • that as a technical engineering department, which it is. But, over the years as I've worked

  • in water resources and many different situations, I've found that conflicts block solutions

  • more than technical issues do. In this session, and in another one, I want to focus on the

  • nature of these conflicts, why they block integrated management, and what we can do

  • about it. The dilemma is that water resources involve

  • a lot of interconnected issues. There are two attributes of water that are unique among

  • complex systems. One is, there's so many demands on water for so many different uses, that

  • we inevitably come into conflicts about the use of water. The second aspect of water which

  • is unique is that it travels from one group of people to another as it moves through the

  • hydrologic cycle. It's like we're interconnected even if we don't want to be. When you think

  • about human nature and the nature of business and organizations, and what might cause some

  • of the problems we have with conflicts, you can see that there are two types of issues

  • that really block solutions. The first is self-interest. We're all working toward our

  • own interests whether financial or value systems or whatever. We'll take the actions that seem

  • to make more sense to us. The other is organizational self-interest in the sense that the organizations

  • have power structures and incentives that cause them to act in their own interest rather

  • than in community interest. The other aspect to water is what you might even think about

  • as a type of government failure. We have stovepipes between the different levels of government

  • and between governments at the same level like county and city governments. They don't

  • line up with watersheds. There are a lot of governmental problems that block integrated

  • solutions. When you think the integrated water management

  • and the nature of these conflicts, it's natural to go right away to the watershed as a place

  • where you can see these many different aspects of water management coming together. As I

  • mentioned, these different types of demands on water, you can see those in a diagram of

  • a watershed where there's conflicts between cities and farms, recreational uses of water

  • and so. Then, think about upstream and downstream conflicts and pretty soon you get the picture.

  • These are sort of age old dilemmas. In fact, this diagram goes back to the 1950s as a way

  • to explain to people what's going on with water conflicts.

  • When we are looking at why we have to integrate our management and how we really need to resolve

  • our conflicts, you can see all these different demands on water which you've been hearing

  • about in this course already: water scarcity, water for food, health issues, environmental

  • needs for water, habitats, and even disasters where one aspect of water management will

  • turn around and either lead to a disaster, like a dam failure, or it may, the disaster

  • aspect may block the other uses of it. The coordination required for all of these is

  • very complex as you can imagine. What happens is that these conflicts happen.

  • They require solutions through what we call governance. Governance sounds like government,

  • but it means something else. You're supposed to have in the course here, a special session

  • on governance where we explain in more detail. To me, it's the operations of government as

  • government goes about, resolving conflicts, managing resources, and solving problems in

  • different ways. With more management, a number of issues come to fore. One is allocating

  • resources and water resources. That's probably one of the major conflict arenas. You also

  • have conflicts that arise between what government does in the public sector and what the private

  • sector can do, such as an industry or a business of any kind that needs water. I already mentioned

  • that water is unique and essential to all of our uses. To come up with systems that

  • can help us solve all of these different problems, we have to have ways to value water. That's

  • another source of difficulty because people see different value systems when they try

  • to give their opinion on how to allocate water resources.

  • Integration is needed. It really boils down to effective coordination between all of these

  • different demands and uses, how to do that coordination in the face of market failure

  • and government failure. By the way, there's a field called Public Choice which has come

  • about in an attempt to bridge the gap between market failure and government failure and

  • to be realistic about how government officials and private business people operate and make

  • decisions as they go along. The challenge is how to do it. This is a formidable challenge

  • as you can imagine. We'll talk a little about that in this session and in the next one.

  • To review that, the conflicts are those that are the reasons that we have the problems.

  • They're more serious than science or technical solutions, even money sometimes can't unblock

  • these conflicts that we've got. The conflicts are widespread. They occur from small scale

  • settings like that watershed I showed to large settings like river basins or even nations.

  • The solution should be effective water governance, but we don't know how to do that yet and we

  • need to figure it out. I mentioned that governance is the actions

  • of government to employ the process of governing to solve human needs. A more detailed definition

  • is that governance involves the authority to manage water affairs as it is applied to

  • the sector of water resources. Governance is going to be applied in every sector of

  • human endeavor. What we're talking about is applying it in the category of water affairs.

  • For a longer definition of it, you see there a quote from the global water partnership

  • where they say that governance involves a "range of political, social, economic, and

  • administrative systems to develop and manage water resources and water services at different

  • levels of society." I find long definitions like that to be hard to work with because

  • when you try to wrap so many concepts into one definition you start to lose sight of

  • the big picture. The bottom line is that in a lot of places, this governance isn't working

  • well. At the bottom I have another quote this time from the World Water Assessment Programme,

  • which is part of the United Nations UNESCO system, "In many countries water governance

  • is in a state of confusion." You can imagine how that would be the case when you look at

  • a lot of political difficulties in countries around the world. It's a miracle that we can

  • manage water even at a basic level, but it's essential to solve that problem and bridge

  • the gaps that are there. I want to give you a few examples. When we

  • talk about governance and integrated water management and conflicts, these are all abstract

  • concepts. We need to look at examples in order to see how it really plays out. One example

  • is the Colorado River which is famous in the western United States as needing governance

  • but also involving many conflicts. I have two maps here, the top one a geophysical map

  • where you can get an idea of the aridity and the elevation in the western part of the United

  • States. Then, where the rivers drain on the bottom. You can see that the Colorado River

  • drains the southwestern part of the United States, seven states more or less, and into

  • Mexico. When you think about the dependence of that part of the country on that river,

  • you get an idea of how critical it is that we can resolve those conflicts and manage

  • the river. What you're going to see on the Colorado River is conflicts between water

  • users, conflicts between different states, and even conflicts between the United States

  • as a nation and Mexico as a nation. I don't think I mentioned conflicts between value

  • systems of these different uses, but it's quite (as you can imagine) quite a long story

  • about the conflicts on the Colorado River and how these mechanisms of governance and

  • conflict resolution have been implemented to try and resolve them.

  • Here's another map of the Colorado River Basin. It's got a little more detail in it. I just

  • wanted to show this one to illustrate some of the features of the river and some the

  • aspects of the conflict resolution. It even comes into play up in the part of the basin

  • where we live. If you look and see the cursor of the computer up near Fort Collins, then

  • in Denver here. We have large interbasin transfers of water out of the upper Colorado River before

  • the water even starts to flow downstream. Then you have a group of states that are referred

  • to as the Upper Basin States, then others, Lower Basin States. Then we have a dividing

  • point with a boundary reservoir which is one of the concepts and infrastructure systems

  • that are usually necessary to help resolve these different conflicts there. In the upper

  • right there you can see a recent study done by US Federal Agency, the Bureau of Reclamation,

  • to try to quantify some of the issues. You can imagine that if the water hadn't been

  • divided in the past between the Upper Basin and Lower Basin states, if you have climate

  • change and less water in some areas than in the past, how that's going to make the controversies

  • worse. The bottom line on conflict resolution and governance is that what has evolved is

  • something called the Law of the River, which is very complex but in order to see how the

  • Colorado River is actually managed, you'd have to look at the whole Law of the River.

  • The Colorado River example is one. You'll hear that discussed a lot in other sections

  • of the course. Globally, we have many issues which are similar to that. Competition between

  • the people, the water uses, or areas. You need the laws and rules like the Law of the

  • River on the Colorado. But these laws and rules do not cross national boundaries or

  • even state boundaries, easily, which exacerbates the conflicts and means that we really don't

  • have good ways to resolve those conflicts other than some kind of formal mechanism like

  • a court case. When we think about how to classify these

  • different issues, they'll fall into categories so that we can understand them and not necessarily

  • have to look at every case across the world and think that it's unique. They involve local

  • watersheds of varied sizes with a lot of different conflicts, boating vs fishing, use of water

  • for irrigation, keeping a reservoir empty for flood control, many issues like that.

  • Then, you can have larger scale systems like a regional river basin. You can have upstream/downstream

  • types of issues. I'll give you a couple of examples of those. Then, you can have larger

  • scale transboundary issues where the water issues transfer across basins from one state

  • to another. Actually, that would be the transboundary across jurisdictions. The ones where you transfer

  • water from one basin to another, we're going to look at that as an interbasin issue, interbasin

  • transfer conflict, as being a different type of an issue than when the water flows across

  • a state line or a national boundary. Looking at those, in local watersheds, there

  • are a lot of resources for this. The US Environmental Protection Agency has developed a tremendous

  • resource to explain local watershed types of problems. I use this extensively in my

  • course trying to explain what's going on with watersheds and all the many different issues

  • that have to be confronted if we're going to get some solutions there. This graphic

  • that you see here shows the watershed, hydrologically you can define what a watershed is, you can

  • look at what the issues are there and, to make a long story short, watershed management

  • is a field of study and knowledge which is really essential to begin to resolve the conflicts

  • in places like the watersheds shown. Then, when you scale that up to a river basin

  • that might be larger, like at a regional scale. We could go over for example to Australia

  • and look at the famous river basin called Murray-Darling. It drains down toward Adelaide

  • as you can see. It drains some of the most important parts of Australia, the southeastern

  • part where the seat of government is and a lot of economic activity is. What they found

  • in recent years is that the river had been over allocated. You can actually see that

  • in the hydrographs as you see go from earlier times to current times. I don't have enough

  • time to explain that in detail, but what you would see is that the demands on water have

  • been growing and the supply of water has actually been going down recently with a lot of drought,

  • and with net results being a lot of conflicts that weren't resolved. Australia put into

  • place a new group of water policies. They created water markets that they hadn't had

  • before. In many ways, they revolutionized water management to come to grips with these

  • shortages and problems that have occurred. Here's another river basin, international,

  • the one on the Murray-Darling was a national case but it went from one state to another.

  • At the international level, like the Mekong River Basin, you can have a different scale

  • of problem. This map shows how the Mekong starts up in China, flows down through Laos

  • and Thailand, Cambodia, and eventually down into the Vietnam area where you have the Mekong

  • Delta there. As a mechanism to try to resolve the conflicts on the Mekong, there's been

  • an institution in operation since the late 1940s I believe, it's called Mekong River

  • Commission. You see a picture of their governing council. That's an attempt to use a governance

  • mechanism to resolve the conflicts on the large river basin. As you can imagine, it's

  • not entirely successful, but at least it's a start to resolve these conflicts.

  • Here's one which I use in my class in Water Resources Management to explain some social

  • issues and conflicts that turned out to be so difficult that they actually created some

  • political developments that were unknown to me in the past. This is the Sao Francisco

  • River Basin which is in Brazil. The river flows from south to north. The south part

  • of the river basin is a highly industrialized populated region, rich region, Brazil. Where

  • it flows into the sea in the north is a poor, drier region. You can imagine trying to come

  • to grips with the disparities between the value systems of these different parts would

  • be difficult for them. Many conflicts, many issues, especially social justice. Credit

  • for this case study and the information goes to one of our graduates from Colorado State,

  • Jerson Kelman, who actually became the director of the National Water Agency in Brazil and

  • has explained this case study to us. The case study involved a hunger strike by a Catholic

  • priest who was fighting for social justice as he understood it. He reached the top level

  • of the president of the country with his hunger strike. Basically, it was about a proposed

  • interbasin transfer of water out of the basin and it continues even as we speak, as a national

  • priority to try to find a solution to it. Famous around the world of course is the Nile

  • River because of all of the pictures that you see, the different stories that come out

  • of Africa. I have a lot of information on it. In the next session, I'll explain that

  • in a little more detail. Here you see a map of the Nile River. You see the headwaters

  • of the White Nile that are down on the bottom of the picture. The river flows from south

  • to north. The river system on the bottom is called the White Nile. It flows out of the

  • Lake Victoria region from Tanzania and Uganda, Kenya, and those countries to the north through

  • a great swamp into Sudan, and then it's joined by the Blue Nile that starts in Ethiopia.

  • The two together form the Nile River which flows into Egypt. Egypt especially with its

  • large population and many issues depends so much on the Nile River and the long story,

  • which you can imagine the many conflicts that had developed and continue to require a lot

  • of attention for resolution. Another large scale river system like those

  • I've just discussed, very famous, is the Brahmaputra-Ganges system. Here the waters are shared by China,

  • India, and Bangladesh. You can see the Brahmaputra system here going through China and then down

  • into Bangladesh and India. You can see the Ganges system coming in over here and coming

  • together. You can imagine all the conflicts that come about in trying to provide for the

  • quality of life and environment in this large river system. China, with its growing population

  • wanting to tap the upper reaches of the Brahmaputra. Bangladesh needing the water resources for

  • irrigation during drought season, but also being concerned about the large flooding during

  • the wet season, monsoon season. India considering the Ganges and others to be like a holy river,

  • having special spiritual qualities and needing to enter into compacts and agreements with

  • those other countries. Just like the Nile River and the Colorado River, you can go back

  • and see the history of this river system and you will find many things that have occurred

  • over centuries to work those problems out. Just to wrap this session up, the big picture

  • is that it's very difficult to allocate the resources provided by water either through

  • market mechanisms or government, the state. You have many scenarios of conflict, from

  • the smallest scenarios to the largest scale problems. A lot of different stakeholder groups.

  • The conflicts are just inevitable, but what's lacking with water conflicts is conflict resolution

  • mechanisms. Often, special interests who are powerful can roll over our attempts to create

  • integrated solutions. In the end, the only thing that works for everybody is integrated

  • solutions which are based on effective governance. That's why, when I started this session, I

  • said that whereas technical approaches are necessary, you're not going to be able to

  • come to full solutions to these problems without effective governance.

  • I explained a little of what governance is and you'll hear more about it in other sessions

  • of this course. This is a little block diagram which I created in a simple way to explain

  • what's involved with water governance where you've got to have fundamental institutions

  • that undergird your system like the rule of law and then you go through the different

  • aspects of governance if you're going to have outcomes that work for everyone.

  • I explained how you have different scales where water conflicts play out. In the simplest

  • case, you have few issues, few governments involved, and you might have some kind of

  • problem like a single jurisdiction, municipal water supply that can be worked out. As you

  • carry the complexity ahead involving more governance, more governments with greater

  • institutional complexity, then you have more issues technically speaking. You get into

  • large scale problems like those river basins that I mentioned. We can look at others too,

  • like the Danube in Iran and Europe or the Great Lakes in the United States and Canada.

  • What I'll talk about next is two common scenarios. One, the interbasin transfer, where we're

  • moving water from one basin to another, usually permanently, and the second where water flows

  • across some kind of governmental jurisdictional boundary where you need some kind of agreement

  • where things can be worked out. Thank you for listening and you'll see me

  • again in the next session.

Hello, I'm Neil Grigg. I'm in the Department of Civil Engineering at Colorado State University.

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