字幕列表 影片播放 列印英文字幕 Robert Mugabe turns 90 Africa's all this leader says he's not going anywhere freedom fighter for many he's perceived as a dictator by Western countries Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe this his inside story hello and welcome to inside story I'm Sam is a damn Africa's oldest head of state celebrates his 90th birthday on Friday Robert Mugabe insists that despite his age he's not ready for retirement Zimbabwe will be marking its president's birthday with a lavish 1,000,000 dolla party is expected to exceed last year's bill in the gobi was presented a cake said to weigh eighty nine kilos when a country still trying to get back on its financial fate how much uva celebrates removed is there how to a Taser sends us this update from Harari President Robert Mugabe will celebrate his birthday on Sunday at the time I don't get up on kilometres from Academy alright according to media reports the pots cost about one million US dollars government officials say a place to me the mighty coming from the nation's from private companies the readings on PF party but critics say a lots time up that money is coming from state coffers and not happy about that think that the big money struggling they say that indices operating in different pop it hefty and the thing that most people I topless when you talk to the habits people on the CD thing a body are struggling to make ends meet parents are fighting with a hot by money send their children to school it by adding hot too basically feeding badly that p.m. that day back to consider the average the bobbing yet economy with not doing very well they want to be able to put more tainted on fact is it is making money on but they celebrate Africa's most elderly statesman has been in power since nineteen a team that's when Zimbabwe gained independence from the British Mugabe became president after leading a bloody guerrilla war against the colonial rulers have what was then rhodesia and his zanu-pf party has been in power ever since despite repeatedly being rocked by corruption scandals but at age 90 Mugabe's aides insist he's fit and healthy though he was on another medical trip to Singapore this week for I surgery and is widely rumored to have prostate cancer well he could go on this president even longer a new constitution passed before last year's disputed elections allows Mugabe to run again in 2018 meeting he could rule till the age of 99 a lot to talk about when it comes to my god help discuss the issue i'm joined here by our three guests from how far away we have about goto NDC her I province spokesman from London Nick man wanna the UK chairman zanu-pf and from Oxford Chalfont versatile a journalist and former editor of the Sunday Mirror in Zimbabwe good to have you with us we could start with Nick how was in bob wins marking the birthday then do you think I've Africa's oldest leader we thank God I am a with a good celebration abt which defeat a man that is taken as from mom and the colonial bond h2 libertine MN that is empowered our nation so %um will we are gonna celebrate we will be celebrating in the UK will be celebrating in Zimbabwe in Marondera so I head somebody talking about them 1 million being spent on a bad day it's actually not robert was gonna he's gonna eat all the food is it it's theirs but when you off so is part of the 21st movements so we are we are we are very happy and celebrating the presence best day all right jeff amber what keeps Mugabe popular he's clearly still Poppea with some sections of society is Nia is it his hero status from the war of liberation yes arm I guess you could say that President Robert Mugabe -ism one of the last of the big man I'm those that derived from the African national liberation struggle and I'm having come through a bloody guerrilla war as you just intimated I'm these credentials stand him on solid ground as it where and I'm also this narrative has had every in today's Asian in the late 90's to early 2000's when the fallout with them the former colonial power Britain kicked in the narrative that was reignited then was that a new imperialist forces trying to subvert he knows about his sovereignty and so even those that were born after independence they were mobilized into this thinking that I'm time was now to get there though loans and defend national sovereignty and President Mugabe a stood up I'm boa and reprised that role once more as a the liberation champion and hand so in that sense %um see the popularity a of Robert Mugabe resonating with those young people that are connected to them PF and and some within the generality of his evolving nation all birds how important is the war liberation how much other focus is it for people for a younger generation who are facing new challenges economic challenges bill of liberation was obviously significant in the sense that it's helped a so the bobbitt into independence from many as a British colonial rule but that's eight we now have been generous enough young zimbabweans more than stick it to five percent of Zimbabweans are below the age of forty and must have these youths do not have fest and information on knowledge up there independence or or what some other people prepared to go though of liberalism and I can safely say that the majority took the people love zimbabwe all I get what it indicated at the youths and not very much in the morn to that East Sea of this %uh go in the sense that build idealize the man who at the very advanced a diff ninety Stu wants to cling on to power when it is paid clear that is past its sell by dates and that did you know the spektr nighttime you has the best option did this the more you the police with tech yes missed a good to you continue to get better I'll yes I think we'll get you got it wrong jury that you got it wrong during the elections you'd didn't think that while it the young people supported by Medina not to allow us to in your program my last updated: step dad we review the majority of the %uh people always at fault sign up here I was blown into I wrong I'm not an old man myself out in Zimbabwe hi I spend I spent a long time in Zimbabwe We Will Forte committed by analog man let you have everything everywhere in our it alright alright let's look at it tonight maybe the real really that the country that's I'll take it to Nick because she doesn't have a problem hi I on a second if you would mister budd make the country does have a problem does know when it comes to unemployment 8 it's risen to anything from 10 to 60 percent depending on whose figures you take whether the official ones or the UN figures imports are rising faster than exports I the overall GDP per person is drop since mugabe came to power those are real issues are they not how do you respond to the accusation that Mugabe's trying to do with people up with patriotism to distract them from the real issues your response to that that's that's not correct we ever attribute aid and we ended going to that one is true peace the problem in it with unemployment is coming from sanctions which have been up the in impose on our country you be such incentives op-ed that it had we will SOS New York New York how do you call it adds okay I don't know let me they don't really understand it will come to you in a second this accident could the shrinkage you know in a stream they've undermined all on current strain it said that we are using foreign currency right now is is as a as as a means of red soul want the sanctions up up I lived in an era of our country we are going to it up grow as a country our GDP is gonna go back to it was supposed to be that's not the primary issue here okay all right let's thanks God which oooo bitterness got 20 total let me bring Albert into this discussion ISA element of truth in that Zimbabwe's me on the sanctions and E there are those who say the West seems singularly obsessed with Mugabe big bats because of his past in resisting colonial rule there are a lot of countries in Africa that have problems that have corruption that have a problematic human rights records but is there not an obsession with with Zimbabwean with Robert Mugabe in pantyhose accept them as such and that does not session as such because the way I look at it the biggest talents that we have in Zimbabwe since 1980 has been and peace attended corruption in this country when you look at it when we come up got independence in April 1980 Zimbabwe's arguably this second largest economy in South Africa in the southern region zimbabwe let the bed basket Africa so to speak Zimbabwe was exporting to the world we went and met food exporter and thanks to mister Mugabe and send appear we are now a basket case and that will be held attractions such as 2 percent of the people that's not because the sanctions but not sanctions is upset because of misread because of because of corruption sanctions they have 10 I'd say no doubt that there is no doubt I already have no doubt that this corruption in the country mean alright let me let me bring let me bring gerchas somebody the discussion yes yes yes I'm if I may come in with a perspective they in response to first to make and then also to orbit BAM I think I'm they is a lot of disquiet a among Zimbabweans about be consistent to a promotion of sanctions as you know the explanation for everything that has gone wrong in Zimbabwe bear in mind that I'm you started off with the a a mention of the hard facts you know concerning employment and economic performance leading up to the time before the sanctions came into force so already we had a trajectory unfolding thats did not quiet I'm support as an appeal as a competent manager of the national economy though that issue of I'll let you know never ends 10 repackaged and then secondly secondly just not right away from you a little but not let let yeah I don't know what to tell you one thing I'm good how the unpleasantness I wanna talk about everything let's we couldn't remember let's let's fast forward talking about this is you know the birthday of Africa's all this leader let's look towards the future now Gabi has brought in some new policies like Zim acid its post to turn the country's economy around is it working the laughing stock symbols I'm it's not 10 is simply must look at it it's actually I into lead let your fam behalf his two cents worth here that will come down okay I think about hours hours I was a %uh interrupted before I made the second part of my point that one the sanctions excuses rather spacious find the is you know to a level at which such as affected the economy but also before such as came into force you must bear in mind the hard facts which reflect an economic downturn so the ease and inflammation they outside of the sanctions to its okay can be made that the boy gonna try to open economy now 15 min before you leave it that yes yes that of course all but says they they they were there is no obsession but by the international community on summer but quite clearly that is the reason why is a mobile is so prominent in a in that on the international agenda ahead of countries where outright civil war he's it now has broken out I'm that is the reason why you know britain in the EU in in the US are more invested in Zimbabwe than they are in the DRC for instance where war has always raced okay okay all right point point taken your point is there's a bit of both mismanagement and obsession I'm going to ask Nana turn the question back now to mister over Tim Hardaway how let's look forward okay I know the sanctions debate verses economic mismanagement that can go on for a very long time but i wanna look forward in this show other new policies which zanu-pf have brought in are they working Zim acid is supposed to be turning around the country's economy says be leveraging resources to attract foreign capital the ice not to work and if I could say since the stolen election have delighted to 120 fate in there's actually been an unprecedented the liquidity clans and for the past serve six or seven months is destroyed an election of July that the defense last year there's been so much suffering to the extent that on the averaged 30 companies at closing every week and slide and as i'm talking this Seattle on since the beginning of 2014 seven and Indian 23 companies have been closed countrywide okay mango company that negative liquid day although I'm looking at each that's here from the World Bank says growth is expected to rise 24.2 percent that's what according to the World Bank I'm not taking the officials statistical over six percent there there are positive stats inflation is down to around 2 percent from 231 million percent 2000 night because we are now using the multi-currency yes I could answer that inflation is actually very low because as you know since February 2009 we have not been using busy but dollar we are using predominantly the United says dollar and in some cases like there with them at the Canton blow I'll and the with and provinces the can see the you the South African rands and in some other cases they use the British Pound Sterling ended the euro but that is the main reason really way we'd we have this very low rate of inflation but when you talk at director production when you walk into a supermarket in Zimbabwe in Harare in we ruin blow I'll in the villages United that not less than 90 percent of all the goods that you'll find in our shops supermarket shelves actually imported goods write me about to come bit sweaty as supermarket for such after all right going good wat kind to those ones the bread basket up decide okay let's bring Nick into that discussion production is falling business is a closing down doesn't sound like the government policies working if you listen to mister but the the government policy is working zi ma cities a.m. is an agenda which s to run from October 2010 Peyton 2 2010 18 they're quick gains in CMOS it past up to I mean we will be realized up to 15 to 18 months these are best baits you cannot stop every pollution because people yes be the best but because I don't know what we have and probably just might be a problem are you looking are you looking are you looking its I well we'll hear the UK we we its fear is doubled to deep recession from 2007 you in all we only solid growth in 2012 so it took that role to have described in 10 what was the difference between uplink is different are having a great deal of Highland is not a good look Nick let's not make this point tonight lebanese a bit I love to hang on to it let me put this question to you next summer ask with with the challenge is clearly Zimbabwe's a country with challenges I'm sure you'd agree on on that point at least is Robert Mugabe the person who can lead zimbabwe through such a very difficult minefield of challenges at the age of 90 that's correct these do the best person to lead the public through these challenges he is very cognitively intact he's still got is due a visionary and i think is the right right person to do that yet all right let me bring the to fund the back into the discussion love it seems the policy's going forward rely on the ability to bring in foreign investment is it coming in about no foreign investment is a is a a hard nut to crack at this moment I'm even planets Minnesota Montana my sis trip to Washington a did not a bring back any positive fruits and his next trip to China also came up with the promises but very little substance and in the final analysis the challengers in asset as an economic strategy is not its content because many including critics have hailed it as a sound document or sound proposals but the challenges how do you find it in there is no a discernible a source of the kind of money after twenty seven billion dollars in a required to drive this and may I just say one thing about on the topic that over the question that he just threw about where the president will gather is the right person to drive as a public forward I think I would agree with Nick in so far as he I'm he he he recognizes President Robert Mugabe's visionary intellectually astute but in terms of I'm the structure of government way there is a lot of centralization and President Mugabe pettis a lot of executive authority when whenever he's away for instance in Singapore cabinet does not meet you know is that he did not let me that so I miss you in terms of the executive authority of David you into the executive authority over driving government the I think the docs in right need in a and alright enough energy I could say about wanted to add something they go ahead yeah I was saying when you look at it the way this kind has been I'm quite honestly you cannot in science the fortunes of it can't see in the hands of a 90-year-old man with due respect to be the first unto except that his intellectual suks but look the man is way past its sell by date we watched last night on local television but television when he was a a city talking about his bed on the eve of his nineteen method and into all that total sign that the men who is leading the bezel felt when there what the hell lol clean water a day in by an alabaster you are good you could well lead by with this I magnin tales of his number is not in the best sale he's the guy that's all you know you know you are not their part P let Nick had to go here the record for the company's this guy was but I didn't overwhelmingly end of story and also he was wanted in overwhelmingly you want to get in but the rest of us what if I am but it all right now let us he may have been may be voted in there were disputes about the elections of course but can I put this point to a question here shop there are together allegations the government is failing to tackle corruption for example which doesn't help the investment climate just a gimmick upgrades 2009 let me give you this example in 2009 for example Human Rights Watch spoke about corruption at the diamond mining company mango resources in 2014 the relatively pros and a PF newspaper The Herald alleged corruption at the same for missus five years later is the government doing well okay the government is be more than enough house I'll give you examples um all the budget talking about all the corruption that's been cited is because the government is claiming it sows the government is disclosing these it's not like there's a I'm some was abroad somewhere we squeeze you know I'll unveiling all these we are saying is the government this is what has been happening the parastatals which where most of them another album the MDC during the yen you before then they they do was not on a stock up also does not really nothing happening in India in the past titles but between 2009 in 2010 stated the MDC set on most of these are good and loyal was up to the minute they title parastatals he didn't do nothing now that were disclosed that this has been happening you turn around is that you are wrong you did this to do that you want just about do one of two underground what I went abroad without disclosing website unique we have 10 golden retriever best erect result better results its however what what what I thought that only the best management we are changing they all corporate governance stock told the country all that talk a lot lately make that's how can it let's not tell but it's not like to come back to up a go-ahead yep Nick Canada scored on my brother we have good no less than seven to eight parastatals in Zimbabwe 8728 Minister Toews all love them paired with zanu-pf cronies loosened every one of those seven to eight aristotle's has been mismanaged what talking with their of then as mud where National Railways enters its were talking loves their side is that they're power utility we're talking love birds the poor that the public bus company we have to love that busy the what is supposed to the public but custer we are talking I 178 countries I this way the company's largest to understand that dip thousand US dollars per month in the instanceof past month which is actually that did not appear cronies what are you doing ok we have ever come across anyone they were carrying that live in they don't know is how we know each other okay yeah let me ask you this but in fact all that but ok let me ask you this question all love the fans all locations which are made to the government know but could not the same accusations and criticisms be made if the opposition mortgage anger eyes been accused of being power obsessed by members of the party mortgage and a rise party's fractured and when he was in the prime minister in 2012 the same newspaper the hell was running articles about corruption in his press office these actually nothing like that Morgan Tanqueray remains the face of the demo trouble in Zimbabwe and the reason why the the frenzy in design a bf controlled media but Morgan sang like is because they realize that he is a tough nut to crack and they realize that with Morgan Tsvangirai outs of the way then they are going to have their cake and eat it that's why they've done have had been taken fighting include over we just got a laugh a minute left I wanna bring I wanna breach of amber into the discussion if i may to family looking at the political map it doesn't look good does it the the party of Morgan Chiang Rai has fractures the party zanu-pf has fractures what's on a future do you see awaits Zimbabwe well um it is a a very it's an uncertain future in the sense that I'm both parties facing a successes and challenges but I would say that the opposition right now is in no way associated reysen than zanu-pf because the man in central control or Sun a PF is still firmly in charge Robert Mugabe is in charge of zanu-pf and I'm he's in a position to dictate you know the course in nature of the transition in zanu-pf Morgan single-a cannot he is fighting for his political life right now the MDC cannot intervene on the national agenda because it is turning inward and has to resolve its own internal contradictions now zanu-pf has contradictions underneath a very you know a centralized command structure with Robert Mugabe on top what the worst that could happen is up being ninety how far can he go and both things have bright a resolved i to provide certainty that is the question all right we're gonna have to leave it there has been a brilliant discussion let's thank all of our guests are but go to from the MTCN Harari from London Nick mcguire from the zanu-pf party and journalist Japan besito late thank you all for joining us thank you and thank you for joining us here on this edition of inside story as always if you wanna send us your feedback just email us your thoughts at inside story at Al Jazeera dotnet for now let's go by
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