Alice: and I'm Alice. Now Neil, I'm a big fan of chat shows, as you know.

But what do you think makes a good interview?

Neil: I like it when the interviewer asks a question that catches the guest off guard.

You know .... to surprise them so they're embarrassed and don't know what to say.

Alice: That's not very nice!

Neil: I know. But it's great TV. That's what chat shows are all about, isn't it?

Alice: Well, I don't agree, Neil!

A chat show, by the way, is a TV or radio programme where a host

the person who presents the show – talks to guest celebrities about various topics.

And what makes a good interview is the subject of today's show.

Neil: So what's a good interview technique, Alice?

Alice: Well, asking open questions

questions the celebrities can't easily respond to with a short answer.

Open questions give them the chance to talk and possibly reveal some juicy details about themselves!

Neil: Juicy details means information you find interesting because it's exciting or shocking.

Alice: Yes. So let's test your interviewing skills, Neil.

Ask me something... see if you can get some juicy details.

Neil: OK... Hmm... How much do you weigh?

Alice: How much do I weigh?

Neil: Yeah.

Alice: How much do you weigh? Look, that's a closed question

you're going to get a short answer and no juicy details!

And more importantly, Neil, it's a rude question!

Neil: OK ... bad choice. Sorry.

But your reaction was juicy ... you got pretty hot under the collar

and that means embarrassed or angry!

I'll try to think of a better question to ask you before the end of the show.

Alice: Alright then. Now, since you aren't good at asking questions, perhaps you can answer one instead.

Who developed a method of questioning around two and a half thousand years ago

that aims to discover hidden truths? Was it...

a) Hippocrates? b) Socrates?

Or c) Aristotle?

Neil: Well, I don't know much about ancient history so I'm going to guess c) Aristotle.

Alice: Well, we'll find out if you picked the right answer later on

but now let's listen to Larry King talking about the secret of his successful career as a TV chat show host.

Can you spot a word that means to get or produce?

Larry King: If you ask good questions and you elicit thoughtful answers

you learn more about the person.

If the interview's hard ... if I begin by saying,

"Why did you do that?" I'd make you defensive.

That may be thrilling television, but you don't learn a lot.

I learned that the more I drew back, asked good questions, listened to the answers,

cared about the guest ... you make the camera disappear.

Neil: The word Larry King used is... elicit.

Alice: Right. And you elicited a defensive reaction from me when you asked a not very

thoughtful question about my weight.

Defensive means protecting yourself from criticism or attack.

Neil: OK, I wouldn't make a good chat show host then.

Alice: You're right there. So good interviewers draw back – or move away

from being the centre of attention.

They're good listeners and care about their guests. Sound familiar?

Neil: Are you suggesting that you're a good interviewer?

Alice: Yup.

Neil: OK, well, so why aren't you a top chat show host, hmm?

What does Larry mean when he says you have to make the camera disappear?

Alice: It means to make the conversation real

as if you were chatting with a friend – rather than performing to a TV audience.

But let's hear more from Larry King on the secret of his success.

Larry King: I don't want a "no". I don't want a "yes". I want a "why". So in other words,

I want to be a little kind of dumb.

My friend Herbie said the secret of my success is being dumb.

'What do you mean by that?'

Neil: So you have to ask dumb – or stupid – questions to make a great chat show host!

I knew it!

Alice: Maybe there's hope for you yet, Neil.

Neil: Charming.

Alice: Lovely. OK, here's the answer to today's quiz question. I asked:

Who developed a method of questioning around two and a half thousand years ago that aims to discover hidden truths?

Was it... a) Hippocrates? b) Socrates? Or c) Aristotle?

Neil: And I said c) Aristotle.

Alice: No, it was b) Socrates.

All three were famous Greek philosophers

but Socrates was the one who angered lots of important people by his probing

or investigative – questions

and this technique is called Socratic Dialogue.

Socrates lived from 469 to 399 BC and he influenced philosophy so much

that all previous thinkers have come to be known as Pre-Socratic.

Despite this he declared "All I know is that I know nothing".

Neil: Very noble. OK, a final question for you, Alice. What makes you happy?

Alice: Working with such a fantastic co-presenter, Neil.

Neil: That's nice! I'm embarrassed now.

Alice: Can you tell us the words we heard today?

Neil: Of course!

catch somebody off guard

chat show

host

open questions

juicy details

closed question

hot under the collar

elicit

defensive

draw back

make the camera disappear

dumb

probing

Alice: Well, that's the end of today's 6 Minute English.

Please join us again soon.

Neil: Yes, do indeed!

Both: Bye.