so you know I was just thinking you two have been talking about the film

premiered in September

and that's a long time to to talk about

these to roll to do you ever feel like you're going into sorta

wrote never right never no I never feel now

no Naku and that's the first time I've been asked that question

yeah died and didn't know what

just let me fight nah let you speak for

ok thanks kinda be idea is its Randy VV other film or a row that you

you can talk about to this extent that she for Phil's

part to the purpose so why we did it in the first place which is to get the

story to his broader audience as possible

and so while summer that is

the summer the timing is a bit odd not least tonight but you know it's summer

the

is the repetitive in his nature but weirdly you don't need you don't regret

it don't you

the churning out something the if it's felt

it doesn't matter what you say how many times he said if it really matters then

it comes across and that's certainly the case with maturing story

on I've opened so yeah

I mean its it's gonna be nice to talk less about after the weekend but

who I when I was today fun is what we have she see a clip for the film ago

that was it that's why we're doing this is what we're talking about it it's just

work we did on the day

and that's very odd because he said he was there is this Aitken gap between

the end but with the day's a production and little and then seeing it let alone

then

talking about it again and again in this in this context did you wrap up

production on it

last november yet December the first so so so I think yeah

ok to me his name yeah right step a long time ago me

I with Alan Turing it did you grow up knowing much about him

about landing sent to what he went through

not really I mean I I was aware of him through a.m.

the he went was play breaking the code which though jacki starting

I'm is sublimely and he was the I saw the televised version of that play

a while ago I mean that we must have been 92

running in a district 8 anything about it until we started yet

thank you I V CAST insight

the US you read the article in The Guardian about guiding which would have

been about 2009

which is the best time night had to them well tell me what with this article in

The Guardian

it was basically his story and it was one of the push is trying to impart

before he finally was a and it was sort of saying

his part in the second world war two break Nick MacLeod and

what happened to him what the British government did ten and I remember

reading and being completely shocked

an angry I didn't know who he was when he done in what has been done to him

and particularly as somebody who is a bit of a history buff you know I II and

particularly that period I really enjoyed reading about that period how

I'd

missed it completely and and I think it's the same unit the same

reaction that people have when they come to fill in when they do find a out into

the first time you can't help but be angry

that to a large extent his his name was

was last not too much petitions scientist but to people outside

arena what drew you to agreeing to do it are

you know going for it I think it really was what your everybody to the project

which was just that

cents that there had been a great injustice if you could possibly get

beyond ensuring story out that too

a wider public then then we'll want to be apart trying to do that

you know and I think that's why when you look at this cost it's an extraordinary

cost about $2 is

who are coming in for a very small little bit because they want to be a

part of that so it was it was really that

and then you know i i completely lucky for me that it was also a

an incredibly interesting character and

somebody's USA 7 inspiring initially a pioneer in her own right

and she I was thinking you know everyone around him kinda was obviously her

specially because she was just

forging ahead she was as brilliant mathematician who with

recommended to that post booth yet her actual story a slightly different than

the one in the film

I'm upset really annoying thing we go unnoticed is it the documentary and I

have to remember this is a documentary so I kept going in there to ground the

right again even if this is a

this isn't quite right and he's like knowing I i take 10 more pages to

explain that way but i wasnt

okay but yes she was actually recommend to the post by her Oxford perfect

professor

so is it was she'd got a double fast from Oxford

and a and he'd he said right you need her

actually and it still took a two years she went in initially as a and

secretary and it took a two-year even though she didn't broach and they

wouldn't accept that she should be in the room

it to get two years to get in there and then when she was in the retreat

shipping

should've been an she was paid a fraction what the men will pay

so eventually all the guys can appoint okay we're trying to be more money

so they said that she was a linguist even though she couldn't speak any other

language apartment

so that they can get a tiny bit the pay rise just not that not gonna

rights effect do you feel like there is this expectation

these featured movies that is unrealistic a

you know this this is our history lesson seems to be off and I think it is

it also undermines intelligence voices I think people that we can enough now is

is a populace going to see films about topics that reality to know

you know that these are the they stretch credibility they complete timelines they

complete characters sometimes people know they're not going to watch

a solid truth from start to finish & Noble you know

based on true events this is what its its at nine

I don't any film i've seen love this a look that does it say that

no fan film is a film is a two-hour piece of material

the tail takes on a narrative journey I think it's what more days drama as

opposed to what is document religion and nobody's trying to pretend this is a

document you're trying to get to the truth

that national Corp something which is different from

absolutely every single fact being completely 2833 Picasa gonna kill you

know just like do you not get understand emotional the intention %uh this

distorted image of destruction through

the abstract you need a photograph a bit to understand it now you got painting

you get

lot but what gonna come us the felt like that destruction the terror the horror

that blood in the College in

E but coming off and got up to that the concert but you know there is that does

that rift between reality not which is

and thus the fascinating furs me whether that fictionalized story is a magical

realism or symbolism in any form other than

assorted pictorial reality am I think that's why we

we gravitate towards poems in a week we do

our lives maybe pros but but but art is

poet reason it's about extrapolating things and

creating a broader deepening understanding that goes further than

reporters yet year after year

it seems like film after film this is something that seems to be in Evergreen

you know expectation or something there's like what you're saying

absolutely make sense this is art yet there's a tricky

balance right because there's this huge expectations especially if

your playing

real people people who knew those people

but not whiplash boyhood

that three fictional films up outstanding prints and uniqueness

I don't think you know there's always room in their pre

cultural moment for both

I don't see that there's any more weight to one than the other

and as long as I think you have to be honest about you go if you want to

him reality then with the Android Andrew Hodges

biography and that is absolutely you know trying to tell the reality

through his point to be by the way yeah everybody in the place in case a

you know who knows but but no that is not what film drama

is for yes you're trying to tell us much the tree as you possibly can

but actually in two hours I mean when I said before I come up with

things that were true about Jane clock and say yeah but what about this i mean

particularly

equal pay for anything okay in two hours about by a pickup at ensuring

how do you fit the equal pay story for Joan Kroc in there

and it is 10 more pages and that is 10 more minutes in the film a 15 more

minutes and actually need to hand in its got to be

whenever this is an hour and 45 were two hours inside me that isn't you know I

mean

its there's a tear there is nobody to feel protecting it is an active love

the legacy the personal plan you the argument to the tree

yeah as well but you also understand the other side him

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