Name: 【TED】伊夫林-格倫尼：如何真正傾聽（How to truly listen | 伊夫林-格倫尼）。 (【TED】Evelyn Glennie: How to truly listen (How to truly listen | Evelyn Glennie))
Uploaded: 2021-01-14T05:54:15.000Z
Duration: 34 min 7 s

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I'm not quite sure whether I really want to see

我不太肯定到底自己是否真的想在早上九點

a snare drum at nine o'clock or so in the morning.

But anyway, it's just great to see such a full theater,

and his colleagues for such a great presentation. (Applause)

of course, is the combination of that raw hand on the instrument

and technology, and of course what he said about listening to our young people.

Of course, my job is all about listening,

and my aim, really, is to teach the world to listen.

And it sounds quite simple, but actually it's quite a big, big job.

Because you know, when you look at a piece of music -- for example,

if I just open my little motorbike bag -- we have here, hopefully,

如果我打開我的小摩托車袋 - 我們這裡，希望有

a piece of music that is full of little black dots on the page.

一塊音樂，充滿黑色的小點在頁面上

And, you know, we open it up and I read the music.

而且，你知道，我們打開它，讀音樂。

So technically, I can actually read this.

I will follow the instructions, the tempo markings, the dynamics.

我將遵循指示，節奏和強弱標記

if I just play you literally the first maybe two lines or so. It's very straightforward.

如果我只“老實”地演奏一兩行樂譜。這非常簡單。

There's nothing too difficult about the piece.

But here I'm being told that the piece of music is very quick.

I'm being told where to play on the drum.

I'm being told which part of the stick to use.

And I'm also being told that the drum is without snares.

而且我知道這一段不需要開啟響弦

So therefore, if I translate this piece of music, we have this idea. (Music)

所以，如果我原原本本地“翻譯”這段音樂，就會聽到如下效果。

And so on. My career would probably last about five years.

就像這樣。我的職業生涯也許最多五年。

However, what I have to do as a musician is do everything that is not on the music.

但是，作為一個音樂家，我的工作是從樂譜中“無中生有”

Everything that there isn't time to learn from a teacher,

But it's the things that you notice when you're not actually with your instrument

但這些東西恰恰是在你與樂器分離時才能感受到的。

that in fact become so interesting, and that you want to explore

through this tiny, tiny surface of a drum.

而你則想通過這個小小的鼓面來發現它們。

So there, we experience the translation. Now we'll experience the interpretation. (Music) (Applause)

好了，我們已經體驗了什麽是原原本本的翻譯。現在我們來體會一下什麽是“演繹”

現在我的職業生涯也許能稍稍延長一點！

But in a way, you know, it's the same if I look at you and I see

但是在某種意義上說，這就像，我把你打量一番，

a nice bright young lady with a pink top on.

看到一個身著粉妝的年輕聰穎的姑娘。

I see that you're clutching a teddy bear, etc., etc.

我看到你抱著一個泰迪熊，如此如此。

So I get a basic idea as to what you might be about, what you might like,

於是我對你有了一個基本印象，你手頭可能的活計，你可能喜歡的東西，

what you might do as a profession, etc., etc.

However, that's just, you know, the initial idea I may have that we all get

when we actually look, and we try to interpret,

得到的最初的基本印象。然後我們開始演繹，

but actually it's so unbelievably shallow.

In the same way, I look at the music; I get a basic idea;

同樣的，我閱讀音樂，產生一個基本的想法，

I wonder what technically might be hard, or, you know, what I want to do.

我思量一番，有什麽技術難關，或者，我想如何演繹。

And I think what Herbie said -- please listen, listen.

我想到了Herbie所說的——聆聽吧，聆聽吧。

We have to listen to ourselves, first of all.

我們首先要做的，是聆聽我們自身。

If I play, for example, holding the stick -- where literally I do not let go of the stick --

比如，如果我緊握鼓槌，完全不鬆開的進行演奏

you'll experience quite a lot of shock coming up through the arm.

And you feel really quite -- believe it or not --

detached from the instrument and from the stick,

even though I'm actually holding the stick quite tightly.

即使實際上我確實是緊握鼓槌的。

By holding it tightly, I feel strangely more detached.

但是，真是由於緊握著它，我才感到奇異的分離感。

If I just simply let go and allow my hand, my arm, to be more of a support system,

如果我稍稍放鬆，讓手臂，手掌更多的進行支撐，

suddenly I have more dynamic with less effort. Much more.

那麼我就會以更少的力量獲得更大的響度。比剛才大得多。

And I just feel, at last, one with the stick and one with the drum.

然後我終於感到手臂和手與鼓槌、鼓面成為一體。

而實際上我做的是更少了，而非更多。

So in the same way that I need time with this instrument,

所以正如我需要時間去感受樂器，

I need time with people in order to interpret them.

我也需要時間去感受人們，從而去演繹音樂。

Not just translate them, but interpret them.

不僅僅是翻譯樂譜，而是演繹音樂。

If, for example, I play just a few bars of a piece of music

for which I think of myself as a technician --

以一種純技術的方式來處理它們，

that is, someone who is basically a percussion player ... (Music)

就是說，完全以打擊樂者的視角來處理音樂，

And so on. If I think of myself as a musician ... (Music)

效果就是這樣的。但是如果我以音樂家的視角來演奏，

And so on. There is a little bit of a difference there that is worth just -- (Applause)

效果就是這樣的。儘管只有一點小小的區別，（掌聲）

and I started playing tympani and percussion, and my teacher said,

我開始演奏定音鼓和打擊器樂，老師對我說，

"Well, how are we going to do this? You know, music is about listening."

“我們怎麼進行呢？你知道，音樂關乎聆聽。”

And I said, "Yes, I agree with that. So what's the problem?"

“是呀，我完全同意，怎麼了？”

And he said, "Well, how are you going to hear this? How are you going to hear that?"

他說，“可是你如何才能聽到這個，聽到那個呢？”

He said, "Well, I think I hear it through here."

他說，“嗯，我想是用這兒聽的。”

And I said, "Well, I think I do too -- but I also hear it through my hands,

我說，“嗯，我想我也是，但是我還可以用雙手，

through my arms, cheekbones, my scalp, my tummy, my chest, my legs and so on."

用雙臂，用顴骨，用頭骨，用肚子，用胸膛，用雙腿去聽。”

And so we began our lessons every single time tuning drums --

於是每節課一開始，我們都對鼓進行調音。

in particular, the kettle drums, or tympani --

to such a narrow pitch interval, so something like ...

that of a difference. Then gradually ... and gradually ...

and it's amazing that when you do open your body up,

令人驚奇的是，當你完全把身體打開，

and open your hand up to allow the vibration to come through,

把雙手打開以便讓震動穿透的話，

that in fact the tiny, tiny difference ...

那麼實際上，就算是很細微的差別，

can be felt with just the tiniest part of your finger, there.

And so what we would do is that I would put my hands on the wall

所以我們做的就是我把手放在音樂教室的牆上，

of the music room, and together we would "listen" to the sounds of the instruments,

然後我們一起聆聽各種樂器的聲音，

and really try to connect with those sounds

以一種更加開放寬廣的方式與它們相連接，

far, far more broadly than simply depending on the ear.

遠勝於只依靠耳朵的單純聆聽。

Because of course, the ear is, I mean, subject to all sorts of things.

因為耳朵顯然受制于很多東西。

The room we happen to be in, the amplification, the quality of the instrument,

我們所處的房間，擴音效果，樂器的質量，

Same amount of weight, but different sound colors.

And that's basically what we are. We're just human beings,

但其實這就是我們本身，我們是人，

but we all have our own little sound colors, as it were,

但每個個體都有自身的“音色”

that make up these extraordinary personalities

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