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CHLOE COMBI: Thank you very much for having me.
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Yes, my name is Chloe Combi, and I'm
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here today to talk to you about my book,
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"Generation Z, Their Voices, Their Lives."
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And to reiterate, it was a strange kind
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of genesis, this book, because I'm not originally a writer.
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I was a school teacher.
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And I was a schoolteacher straight out of university,
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and I taught in quite challenging
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inner London schools.
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And there, I started my own education charity
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called Write Club, which got quite a lot of media attention.
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And because of that, i started writing for newspapers,
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sort of darkly humorous pieces about the realities of teaching
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life.
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And then from there, I started writing features
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about, I guess, the grittier aspects of teen life,
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so on grooming, and busing, and gangland
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culture, and dog fighting.
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And yes, those did get quite a lot of attention.
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I think they were well timed as well.
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And what became very clear was that there
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was this real need for this window into teenage life.
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So Generation Z was born.
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And the concept, I suppose, was simple enough.
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it was gonna take about 3 years to research and write it,
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and I'd already kind of started.
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And the aim was to interview 2,000 teenagers, which I hit.
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So it's a big sample of teenagers.
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And this isn't a book just about gritty teenagers.
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It's from the most kind of normal teenage experience
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to the most extreme, because you have to get the whole range.
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And so I think it's a good insight
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into who teenagers in the UK in the 21st century are.
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So who are Generation Z?
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Well, we're already talked a bit about this.
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And actually, originally, and I wanted
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to call this book Generation I. I
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didn't want to call it Generation Z,
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but we'll go back into that later.
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And the small i, because I thought
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the I for the narcissistic I, which
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is a quality that this generation are accused
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of a lot, the i, which obviously is
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a sort of sly nod to Apple, which most teenagers are
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completely enthralled with, I'm sure you know.
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And obviously, i for information,
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which is a real quality of everyday life
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that we're all into.
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But there was a fear that people would
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assume that it was a book about technology,
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and it's not at all, because I'm not a tech expert.
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So many things.
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So it became Generation Z.
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And actually Generation Z was more of
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understood as a sociological label than I realized.
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Because we've all heard of Generation X.
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That was a real thing, and there was books on Generation X.
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But Generation Y, which I'm guessing most people in here
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fall into, kind of fell through the cracks?
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And they were sometimes called the millennial generation,
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and sometimes called the post-baby boomer generation.
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So on a very simple level, Generation Z
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are the children of Generations Y and Generation X.
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And some of them probably actually
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have grandparents now who are Generation X, which
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is a bit terrifying.
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And for me, for my purposes, they were teenagers.
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Everyone who I interviewed in this book
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and who is in this book is between the ages of 13 to 19.
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But for some people writing about Generation Z,
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they widen that cohort a little bit,
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and they're probably more 12 to 22 year-olds.
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And currently there's a lot of scare pieces about how
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the oldest of Generation Z are about to enter the workplace,
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and ill-equipped they are, and how they can't talk properly,
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and don't write properly, and they write in text speak,
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and speak in text speak.
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But for my purposes, they were teenagers.
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On a much more complex level, they were as complex
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as any big group of people.
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They're as complicated, and as strange, and as multifaceted,
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and as normal, and as likable, and a unlikable,
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and as difficult to define as any other large group.
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But there were themes, and they were coming up again,
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and again, and again.
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They became quite predictable, and they
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formed the natural chapters of the book.
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And not in any order, and I can't never
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remember all of these, but they are sex, of course,
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and body, of course, school, family, friendships
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and relationships, crime, gender, class, race,
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the future, and technology.
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And technology particularly I wanted to focus on a bit,
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obviously, considering this audience.
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But also because it is interesting
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for this generation, because this is the first generation--
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this is the thing that differentiates this generation.
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This is the first generation that have grown up
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with the internet.
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They've grown up with social media.
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They've grown up with mobile phones,
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and they've never known a world without those things.
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The rest of it's probably can remember a world when
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we didn't have those things, but this generation has never
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known world without them, and it's massively
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influenced who they are, and how they've evolved,
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and how they think.
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And on the way, I actually met a few kids,
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several who spring to mind, and I'm
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gonna read you a very short piece, who
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didn't realize that the internet used to not exist.
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And they actually thought I was pulling their leg,
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and they had to go and google this fact, which obviously
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in ironic in and of itself.
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And I'm going to read you a very short piece from the book.
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Now this is a trigger warning.
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There's swearing.
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And if you do end up reading this book,
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there's lots of swearing, and there's
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lots of quite grim stuff in it.
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There's lots of really funny and happy stuff as well,
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but there is swearing.
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And I'm not going to give you the whole description,
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but these are three boys, and basically
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them describing their relationship every day
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with technology.
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And these three boys have never read a book,
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except "Holes" by Louis Sachar, because they were made to,
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and "Romeo and Juliette," because they
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were made to at school.
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And they figured that they probably
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accrued individually, probably about $250 a week
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online in some way, like gaming and so on.
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And these are three different boys.
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One's called Raj, one's called Abdi, and one's called Jouad,
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Do you know what I found out the other day?
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That the internet used to not exist.
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I didn't know that, and my mind was all like, the fuck.
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And this is the next one.
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You're such a fool.
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Of course it didn't used to exist.
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Mobile phones used to not exist.
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That's jokes, man.
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Can you imagine no mobile phones?
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How would you even talk to people?
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With your mouth, you dickhead.
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But no, man.
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The world would be so shit without all the stuff we have.
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The teachers are all negative about it
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and say it's sucking our brains up, but that's bullshit.
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I was gaming with this sick guy in Columbia the other day.
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He told me the shit about Colombia
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that I didn't know from geography lessons.
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That's educational.
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And he told me he gangbanged my mum and sisters as well.
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But that's just gaming, isn't it?
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You cuss each other to the max.
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It's psychological banter, isn't it?
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You want them to get all pissed off with you so that they lose.
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And it goes on.
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So that leads on to my next question, which
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is do teenage boys and girls engage with and get treated
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by the internet differently?
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well, that piece obviously referenced gaming quite a lot.
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And I'm not gonna go into gaming today, because I don't game,
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and I don't really know enough about the logistics
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and the politics of it to really go into in detail.
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What I do know is that it's a real red button
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topic at the moment, particularly
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to do with gender, because there's
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this whole thing about how it's a traditionally male thing,
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and more and more girls want to game.
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But thumbs up to teenage boys.
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I will say that I met very few who seemed
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to have a problem with that.
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They were very inclusive about the idea.
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And that seems to be more of an issue
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that a few gray men seem to have a problem with,
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and I'll let you make of that what you will.
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Both genders are, as I'm sure you know,
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hugely, hugely, hugely in social media.
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But that relationship's evolving and changing really,
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really quickly.
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And I guess what you would describe
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as the granddaddy of social media, which would be Facebook,
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is in its death throes with teenagers.
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They're completely out.
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They leaving by the hundreds of thousands every day.
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And for the reason, and I quote, it's
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because there's too many old people on there.
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Their parents and their grandparents are now on there,
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and 16 year-olds don't want to hang out with their parents
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and grandparents in real life, and they certainly
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don't online.
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I don't think teenagers ever really embraced
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Twitter that much.
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I think it's much more of a middle class adult thing.
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I think that middle class adults love to go on Twitter
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and either show off or get offended by things.
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I think that kids like Twitter for stalking people,
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but other than that, they don't really
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talk about in any kind of passionate way.
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The three things that they're really into,
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the mainstream stuff, there's lots of underground stuff,
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but the three big ones they're into at the moment
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are Snapchat, Instagram, and YouTube.
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Now YouTube I'm not gonna talk about too
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much, because it almost deserves a talk unto itself.
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Because the YouTubers are the teen-appointed new rock
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stars and royalty.
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They are huge, and these are completely teen-led trends.
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Like, beyond the ages of 19, probably PewDiePie
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means absolutely nothing to you, but they
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are like these little gods to millions and millions
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of teenagers.
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And what's interesting is this is not industry or adult-led.
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This is entirely teen-led, which goes
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to show that they have quite a lot of autonomy and power
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on the internet.
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But the one I wanted to talk about today
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was actually Instagram, because there I
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think there is a really interesting gender
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political paradigm that comes up.
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Male vanity is a thing, and it's a growing thing,
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and there's lots of issues about boys and their body image.
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But if you look at the Instagram page
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of the average teenage boy, it revolves
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around stuff or action.
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Stuff being cool, if they're a bit older,
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cool cars, cool headphones, cool shades, school threads.
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And or it revolves around action,
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so like, on holiday surfing with their mates,
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or on the side of a mountain with their hands
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in the air at sunset.
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Or if they're a bit younger, maybe
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like looning around a classroom with their friends,
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and making those kinds of signs.
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Girls Instagram page revolve around the self.
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And by the self, I mean the selfie self-- very stylized,
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very sexualized, the duck face.
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Now it's the fish face, which duck face is very 2015
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and we're nearly 2016.
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Lots and lots of pouting, and lots of focus on body,
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in a very kind of sexualized way.
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And when I was writing the book, the girls, lots of girls,
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told me about selfie parties.
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And selfie parties, ostensibly, I guess,
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are like slumber parties.
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Butt the whole idea is you get together, sit
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around each other's houses, and rather than watch
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a movie or talk about boys, you doll each other up,
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take hundreds or thousands of selfies,
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manipulate them, face tune them, although you
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don't admit to that, and