字幕列表 影片播放 列印英文字幕 CHLOE COMBI: Thank you very much for having me. Yes, my name is Chloe Combi, and I'm here today to talk to you about my book, "Generation Z, Their Voices, Their Lives." And to reiterate, it was a strange kind of genesis, this book, because I'm not originally a writer. I was a school teacher. And I was a schoolteacher straight out of university, and I taught in quite challenging inner London schools. And there, I started my own education charity called Write Club, which got quite a lot of media attention. And because of that, i started writing for newspapers, sort of darkly humorous pieces about the realities of teaching life. And then from there, I started writing features about, I guess, the grittier aspects of teen life, so on grooming, and busing, and gangland culture, and dog fighting. And yes, those did get quite a lot of attention. I think they were well timed as well. And what became very clear was that there was this real need for this window into teenage life. So Generation Z was born. And the concept, I suppose, was simple enough. it was gonna take about 3 years to research and write it, and I'd already kind of started. And the aim was to interview 2,000 teenagers, which I hit. So it's a big sample of teenagers. And this isn't a book just about gritty teenagers. It's from the most kind of normal teenage experience to the most extreme, because you have to get the whole range. And so I think it's a good insight into who teenagers in the UK in the 21st century are. So who are Generation Z? Well, we're already talked a bit about this. And actually, originally, and I wanted to call this book Generation I. I didn't want to call it Generation Z, but we'll go back into that later. And the small i, because I thought the I for the narcissistic I, which is a quality that this generation are accused of a lot, the i, which obviously is a sort of sly nod to Apple, which most teenagers are completely enthralled with, I'm sure you know. And obviously, i for information, which is a real quality of everyday life that we're all into. But there was a fear that people would assume that it was a book about technology, and it's not at all, because I'm not a tech expert. So many things. So it became Generation Z. And actually Generation Z was more of understood as a sociological label than I realized. Because we've all heard of Generation X. That was a real thing, and there was books on Generation X. But Generation Y, which I'm guessing most people in here fall into, kind of fell through the cracks? And they were sometimes called the millennial generation, and sometimes called the post-baby boomer generation. So on a very simple level, Generation Z are the children of Generations Y and Generation X. And some of them probably actually have grandparents now who are Generation X, which is a bit terrifying. And for me, for my purposes, they were teenagers. Everyone who I interviewed in this book and who is in this book is between the ages of 13 to 19. But for some people writing about Generation Z, they widen that cohort a little bit, and they're probably more 12 to 22 year-olds. And currently there's a lot of scare pieces about how the oldest of Generation Z are about to enter the workplace, and ill-equipped they are, and how they can't talk properly, and don't write properly, and they write in text speak, and speak in text speak. But for my purposes, they were teenagers. On a much more complex level, they were as complex as any big group of people. They're as complicated, and as strange, and as multifaceted, and as normal, and as likable, and a unlikable, and as difficult to define as any other large group. But there were themes, and they were coming up again, and again, and again. They became quite predictable, and they formed the natural chapters of the book. And not in any order, and I can't never remember all of these, but they are sex, of course, and body, of course, school, family, friendships and relationships, crime, gender, class, race, the future, and technology. And technology particularly I wanted to focus on a bit, obviously, considering this audience. But also because it is interesting for this generation, because this is the first generation-- this is the thing that differentiates this generation. This is the first generation that have grown up with the internet. They've grown up with social media. They've grown up with mobile phones, and they've never known a world without those things. The rest of it's probably can remember a world when we didn't have those things, but this generation has never known world without them, and it's massively influenced who they are, and how they've evolved, and how they think. And on the way, I actually met a few kids, several who spring to mind, and I'm gonna read you a very short piece, who didn't realize that the internet used to not exist. And they actually thought I was pulling their leg, and they had to go and google this fact, which obviously in ironic in and of itself. And I'm going to read you a very short piece from the book. Now this is a trigger warning. There's swearing. And if you do end up reading this book, there's lots of swearing, and there's lots of quite grim stuff in it. There's lots of really funny and happy stuff as well, but there is swearing. And I'm not going to give you the whole description, but these are three boys, and basically them describing their relationship every day with technology. And these three boys have never read a book, except "Holes" by Louis Sachar, because they were made to, and "Romeo and Juliette," because they were made to at school. And they figured that they probably accrued individually, probably about $250 a week online in some way, like gaming and so on. And these are three different boys. One's called Raj, one's called Abdi, and one's called Jouad, Do you know what I found out the other day? That the internet used to not exist. I didn't know that, and my mind was all like, the fuck. And this is the next one. You're such a fool. Of course it didn't used to exist. Mobile phones used to not exist. That's jokes, man. Can you imagine no mobile phones? How would you even talk to people? With your mouth, you dickhead. But no, man. The world would be so shit without all the stuff we have. The teachers are all negative about it and say it's sucking our brains up, but that's bullshit. I was gaming with this sick guy in Columbia the other day. He told me the shit about Colombia that I didn't know from geography lessons. That's educational. And he told me he gangbanged my mum and sisters as well. But that's just gaming, isn't it? You cuss each other to the max. It's psychological banter, isn't it? You want them to get all pissed off with you so that they lose. And it goes on. So that leads on to my next question, which is do teenage boys and girls engage with and get treated by the internet differently? well, that piece obviously referenced gaming quite a lot. And I'm not gonna go into gaming today, because I don't game, and I don't really know enough about the logistics and the politics of it to really go into in detail. What I do know is that it's a real red button topic at the moment, particularly to do with gender, because there's this whole thing about how it's a traditionally male thing, and more and more girls want to game. But thumbs up to teenage boys. I will say that I met very few who seemed to have a problem with that. They were very inclusive about the idea. And that seems to be more of an issue that a few gray men seem to have a problem with, and I'll let you make of that what you will. Both genders are, as I'm sure you know, hugely, hugely, hugely in social media. But that relationship's evolving and changing really, really quickly. And I guess what you would describe as the granddaddy of social media, which would be Facebook, is in its death throes with teenagers. They're completely out. They leaving by the hundreds of thousands every day. And for the reason, and I quote, it's because there's too many old people on there. Their parents and their grandparents are now on there, and 16 year-olds don't want to hang out with their parents and grandparents in real life, and they certainly don't online. I don't think teenagers ever really embraced Twitter that much. I think it's much more of a middle class adult thing. I think that middle class adults love to go on Twitter and either show off or get offended by things. I think that kids like Twitter for stalking people, but other than that, they don't really talk about in any kind of passionate way. The three things that they're really into, the mainstream stuff, there's lots of underground stuff, but the three big ones they're into at the moment are Snapchat, Instagram, and YouTube. Now YouTube I'm not gonna talk about too much, because it almost deserves a talk unto itself. Because the YouTubers are the teen-appointed new rock stars and royalty. They are huge, and these are completely teen-led trends. Like, beyond the ages of 19, probably PewDiePie means absolutely nothing to you, but they are like these little gods to millions and millions of teenagers. And what's interesting is this is not industry or adult-led. This is entirely teen-led, which goes to show that they have quite a lot of autonomy and power on the internet. But the one I wanted to talk about today was actually Instagram, because there I think there is a really interesting gender political paradigm that comes up. Male vanity is a thing, and it's a growing thing, and there's lots of issues about boys and their body image. But if you look at the Instagram page of the average teenage boy, it revolves around stuff or action. Stuff being cool, if they're a bit older, cool cars, cool headphones, cool shades, school threads. And or it revolves around action, so like, on holiday surfing with their mates, or on the side of a mountain with their hands in the air at sunset. Or if they're a bit younger, maybe like looning around a classroom with their friends, and making those kinds of signs. Girls Instagram page revolve around the self. And by the self, I mean the selfie self-- very stylized, very sexualized, the duck face. Now it's the fish face, which duck face is very 2015 and we're nearly 2016. Lots and lots of pouting, and lots of focus on body, in a very kind of sexualized way. And when I was writing the book, the girls, lots of girls, told me about selfie parties. And selfie parties, ostensibly, I guess, are like slumber parties. Butt the whole idea is you get together, sit around each other's houses, and rather than watch a movie or talk about boys, you doll each other up, take hundreds or thousands of selfies, manipulate them, face tune them, although you don't admit to that, and then put them on Instagram. And there's a competitive element as to who gets the most likes or the most comments. And obviously, the holy grail of those comments come from boys. And I think that that's pushing both genders into roles I think a lot of them are really uncomfortable with. Girls become the exhibitionists on trial, and boys become the voyeurs and the judges. And lots of them have said to me, I don't like this. And what a shame in 2015, where most adults, probably with the exception of like Donald Trump, have decided that beauty pageants are really naff, that teenagers are in this endless online beauty pageant. And you can say, yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't have to do it. But I think the teenagers, social media, and Instagram, is kind of like the tree falling in the woods. If they're not on it, they feel like they don't exist. And what really interested me was one of the undisputed queens of Instagram, Kylie Jenner, who millions of them follow, and unless you've lived under a rock, a happy rock, for the last five years, you know that Kylie Jenner is the half-sister of Kim Kardashian, who originally became famous, ostensibly, because her mum put her sex tape on the internet. Her mum did that. And I Kylie Jenner has sort of become the next generation. And it was her 18th a few weeks ago. And there was wall-to-wall, endless, global, breathless coverage of this-- what she wore, what her mouth looked like, what was on her feet, what was around her neck, what her boyfriend looked like. I mean, every possible thing. On the very same day, a very different 18-year-old, Nobel Peace Prize winner, Taliban-botherer, and pretty awesome person, Malala Yousafzai, opened a school for girls who hadn't been receiving an education, and that received minimal coverage, particularly in comparisons to Kylie Jenner's 18th birthday. So you can see why teenage girls and teenage boys are assimilating this message that it's not how brave you are, or how clever you are, or how innovative you are, all those things. It's basically if you've got hot tits and ass. And that's what we're reducing girls to via Instagram. Which leads me to my next question. I hope. Is technology and social media turning all teenage into bullies and victims? Well, that's really a question, and 2014, 35% of all 11 to 17 year-olds had said that they'd been cyberbullied, and I think that's growing. That's doubled on last year, so I'd be interested to see the figures for this year and next. Now, I guess that's a question we could ask of all ourselves. And I know you probably know better than anyone that the big criticism of the internet is how lawless and unregulated it is, and how people do things that they wouldn't do in ordinary life. And this absolutely applies to teenagers. The hot crucible that the internet already is, when you add teenagers to that mix, it becomes a nuclear reactor, because teenagers are very vulnerable, but they're also liable to do very stupid things. If you go into any school in any part of the country, no matter how good the school is, and you say the word cyberbullying to the head teacher or teacher, they will make hair tearing motions. Cyberbullying is an enormous problem. In fact, it probably is the biggest past all our problem currently in schools. And the reason is very simple, that bullying has been an age old problem in schools. Hands up if you were ever bullied at school. OK, what cyberbullying has done is taken bullying out of the classroom, out of the playground, out of the bus stop, and it has placed it in a 24 hour a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, potential. Kids can be bullied at 2:00 in the morning from their bedrooms. Kids can be bullied whilst they're on summer holiday with their parents. And kids are really creative, and they're really mean. I've seen fake Twitter pages being set up. I've seen Facebook hate groups being set up. I've seen them hack into each of these emails, and put them online for other people to see. And that's with my own eyes. And if you wanted to ask what the wicked stepmother of this kind of cyberbullying is, particularly from the head teachers point of view, it would be and sexting. Does anyone know what sexting is? OK, just in case you don't, sexting is a sexually explicit text with a nude or semi-nude photograph. Now, as you can imagine, these are wildly popular with kids. If you get a group of kids in a room, probably from the age of 15 plus, I'd say probably 75% of them have either sent a sext, received a sext or been privy to a sext. And this is a really, really, really huge problem, because at any one time in a school, you've potentially got live with the ability to go viral pictures of underage kids floating around. And I've seen and heard of actual-- if you think about it, the ethics behind it, if a 14 year-old sends another 14 year-old a nude picture of themselves, theoretically, they're in possession of child porn. And the schools every week are having to bring police in, and there's been arrests, and in all sorts, things that won't make the press, because obviously it's the kind of thing that they're not going to be particularly transparent about. I think this leads to the next thing. This sexting thing is being fueled hugely by another red button of the internet, which is, is the internet turning all teenagers into wannabe porn stars, pornographers, and sex mad? Well, I would say to this, no, no, and no. And the reason being is because teenagers, not this generation, but all teenagers, are already fairly sex mad. A lot of porn watching, which is being done in huge amounts, a lot of porn watching is because kids can. It's because it's there. And I don't believe that any teenager who found, say, a porn mag in a bush in the '70s, '80s, or '90s was like, nah, dude. I'm gonna wait till 2015 to look at this. To be a teenager is to be curious about sex and pornography. But does that mean that I don't think that porn is a problem? No, I don't. And here's why. If teenagers were watching the kind of porn films that maybe they made in the '70s, with big bushes and big moustaches, like refrigerator operators, that would be one thing. But they're not. A huge commission study into pornography that was made recently revealed that 80%, and I'd say that's probably modest, 80% of pornography now contains some extent of violence and sexual violence. So kids are watching porn films with depicted rape, depicted gang-rape, S&M, beatings, slapping around, and all manner of sex acts. And I've done a lot of writing on this, so I've had to do my research. And of course that is impacting on how they see each other and how they see sex. And I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say yes, there are some teenage girls who watch pornography, but the vast, vast majority of teenage consumption of pornography has been done by boys. And I promise you they are somewhere between watching it quite regularly to mainlining the stuff. And it's having an impact. It's manifesting behaviorally, certainly. In this country, we have a problem with consent, and not just with teenagers, but particularly with teenagers. There is confusion over what no means, when people can say no, what date rape means, what rape means. And I do believe that is being slightly led by porn, because in porn, there is no such thing as no, and there's very, very few boundaries. And another very quick reading that I wanted to do for you today, which was from a boy who I spoke to, I spoke to a lot over the last couple of years, who's actually being treated for I guess you could say a porn addiction. I remember the first time I saw porn. I was probably about six. I went to a primary school that was attached to a high school, and there was always old kids most giving us shit. But some were OK. This bunch of lads were like, look at this. Look at this. And it was a porn film. I don't know what it was exactly, by I remember being really interested in it, and knowing it was probably bad, but in a good way. I'd say I was about nine, and a lot of the boys at school were either interested in seeing porn, or had been watching it a bit. You'd have to be pretty clueless not to be aware of it. I didn't get a mobile phone until I was 11, when the obsession really started, because it was so easy to access. But I'd definitely seen a lot before then. A lot of my mates have mobile phones, and after football, we'd sometimes watch a bit on John's phone, who had this wicked phone with a really good screen even then. We'd all cuss each other, saying you've got an erection, you pervert. And we would deny it, but it's porn. What else is gonna happen? So he was kind of exposed to porn at the age of nine. And I don't think that's unusual at all. In fact, I know it's not, because I've done a lot of work in primary schools. So a bit bleak, but before I move on to the last couple of things, sex talk is rather 1997. I think in education we need to perhaps bring in a porn talk, and porn education, and about how it doesn't replicate real life. But with things like cyberbullying, and sexting, and what happens, potentially, if you put a picture up online, I think that maybe companies like this, and educators, and politicians, perhaps need to get together and really clarify the dangers and the pitfalls of the internet, and put them there for everyone to see every time you go online, because I think lots of kids are really, really running into trouble. I know lots of kids are really running into trouble, because they do things on the internet without thinking, without realizing. So not a completely different topic, but a slightly different topic, because I know Rob was really curious about this one. This is a country with a class obsession, and it's a country with a class problem. There are far too many kids who are falling through the cracks, and neglected. And I think with this particular government, that's increasing. But that can almost have a technological slant which I think almost pertains to you guys. If you think about a middle class kid, or a middle class and upwards, a kid who's reasonably privileged and well looked after, they're gonna have lots of access to technology. They almost always have a smartphone. They might well have a laptop or a personal computer in their bedroom. They might have a tablet that was given to them by the school, or given to them by their parents. And they'll do things, all the things that we just discussed. They'll watch films. They'll watch movies. They'll upload photographs, or chat to their friends, and they'll do schoolwork. Kids who come from much less privileged backgrounds, I'd say if anything that their access to technology and how they use it is more important to them. Kids who don't have families and don't have parents who keep tabs and look after them, they form alternative family structures that revolve around their peers. And technology, and particularly mobile phone technology is an absolutely essential and intrinsic part of that. It's how, basically, they look after each other. There is an endless where are you? What you doing? Are you safe? Are the feds about? Are there enemy foe around? And so on. And doing this book, writing this book, I spent a lot of time with kids, what's called on road. And I never used street parlance because I sound idiotic, but on road, basically, is street parlance for on the road. And people assume that that means a child or a teenager is in a gang that's affiliated to criminal activity. And actually, it can mean that, but it doesn't necessarily. It often just means that a kid is on the road, because the road is more safe than the home that they come from. And that can be mostly for really upsetting reasons. Bad step-parents, bad parents, drug abuse, prostitution, getting knocked around, or just getting kicked out. So there's countless kids on road, whether they're full time or part time. But to go back to the more organized gangs, there's much, much, much scaremongering about whether they're utilizing technology to organize crime, and utilizing technology to threaten each other, and using technology to recruit. And the answer to that is, hell yes. Absolutely they are. They're using technology very, very, very cleverly, and very smartly. And it's very, very simple as to why. 20 years ago, anyone on the street affiliated to crime had to rely on what was going on and to understand what was going on through word of mouth, through face-to-face confrontation, through graffiti, through the colors that they wore. But now particularly with mobile phones and social media, this internalized endless newspaper as to street news, beefs. But also any organized crime that you've heard of, probably in the last 8 to 10 years, so if you think about the 2011 riots, if you heard about that big thing that kicked off in Walthamstow between two rival girl gangs last week, organized gang-rapes, organized robberies, organized movements against the police, or what they call the feds, they absolutely will have had some element of technology driving it, and probably quite a lot. So it's definitely not just a middle class concern, the internet. So on a slightly more uplifting note, will technology save the future for young people? Loads of scaremongery articles, as I'm sure you know from adults about how technology, in particular the internet, is gonna signal the end of civilization. All newspapers will become Buzzfeed. All television shows will be fronted by AI versions of Davina McCall and Stephen Fry. And all shops will be manned by robots. Teenagers don't see technology like that at all. They don't see it as the destruction of the future. They see it as the creation of their future. And they're very, very, very innovative, and very creative on the internet. They vie, and they vlog, they blog, they YouTube, they create websites. I do a Sunday show with a lad who's 17. He started an internet radio show in his bedroom age 12. Now age 17, he's sometimes pushing seven figures of listeners, and he's courted by all these CEOs and brands of the world. And so that's just a good example. But I think what the problem is there's too much interface with institutions that children, that teenagers, are caught up in that are too wrapped up with the path. And the best I can think of, to finish this off today, is education. And when I was teaching I lost count of the number of times that I asked a kid to go read something from the book, or read a book, and they would whinge and complain or not do it. And then as soon as you gave them a screen, and said go and read this on a screen, whether it was a laptop, or a computer, whatever, they go away and happily do it. And they wouldn't complain, and it would be a completely different thing. Hard, hard fact is we have a big reading problem in this country, huge reading problem, and it's gonna affect the future of our country. There's too many kids and teenagers who are illiterate. there are far too many who are below the level of literacy that they should be, and I'd say probably 85% if not more kids don't read enough, particularly when you compare them to other countries and the kind of reading levels that they're doing. And I think if we don't do something about this, we are heading for a problem, because there's no way to sugarcoat it. Reading is essential for academic and intellectual development, both as an individual and as a country. I think the remedy might be technology. I think schools might be too beholden to this idea that reading has to happen in an armchair in a corner in a big tome of Dickens. And they have to embrace that this is how kids want to read. I did a lot of work for Wellington College under Sir Anthony Seldon, who's a real educational progressive. Six years ago, he got rid of 75% of the books in their library, and replaced them with screens and instructive forms of reading, and they went on to have unparalleled academic success year-on-year. Now, Wellington College is an incredibly wealthy institution, and state schools don't have that kind of equipment or money. I'm a huge fan of the state system, but it is buckling. It is buckling under a weight, and it's heading for serious problems. This is a government that is tearing apart the state education system piece by piece, and it's in desperate need of help. Year-on-year, classroom sizes increase. So you'll have in one classroom sometimes 35 kids. And within that class size, you can have kids with an ability range from serious learning difficulties to genius. So not every child in there is gonna have the learning that they need. Some kids really work well with one-on-one. Some kids work really well in groups. Some kids love rote learning. Some kids love doing project learning. So all the kids in the state system I spoke to pretty much told me that the internet has become their primary source of top-up learning, because they simply cannot facilitate this, the kind of learning that every child needs. And I think this needs to be embraced. I think there needs to be a collaboration between perhaps companies like this and all the many like them, even though they're not as good, in education, because I think the state system is in dire need of help. So more online learning resources. We're not reading enough. Kids don't have access to books, so what about a heavily promoted teen marketed online library service? A talk like this probably will primarily be watched by adults. What about a teen channel, where you have something like, how to write the perfect essay, what the hell Hamlet's all about, the night before a GCSE maths exam? What about an online live cramming session with mathematician? The night before an English one, an online cramming session with a writer? So many, many possibilities. No pressure here, and this is the point I'm gonna finish on. For teenagers in particular, the internet is so much more than time and space. It's where they learn, where they're entertained, where they're looking for a guide to the future, and maybe it needs to be filled with more spaces to innovate, and to learn, and to inspire, because companies like this have become some of the most powerful in the world, and all I would say is, with great power comes great responsibility. And I wanted to leave it with a final note from Annabel, who's 15, who said that if I woke up one day and found the internet and Google wasn't there, I'd probably just straight up die. So Thank you. [APPLAUSE] FEMALE SPEAKER: So we have 20 minutes for questions and one microphone here. Chloe, please repeat the question. CHLOE COMBI: Yes. Hello. AUDIENCE: I know you said that you'd rather have a whole session on YouTube, but it would be really great to also understand, just highlight what you think teens relationship is to YouTube. CHLOE COMBI: To YouTube? God, I mean, it would be better to get a teenager in here. It's unbelievably passionate. I mean, YouTube as I'm sure you know, YouTubers, they have a particular slant, like they do wacky songs, or advice on life, or makeup tutorials. And that's what is it is, and kids just eat this up. They [INAUDIBLE] and follow them in their millions. And all I think it is, and again, it reiterates the point I was making, they see these people as like the cool brother and sister they never had. And I think that's just the relationship they've developed with them. But if you look at their subscribers on YouTube and the amount of followers they have on Twitter and things like that, it ranges between like, from 500,000 to 20 million. It's extraordinary. And actually, you probably will get them, because the publishing industry has really caught on to this, and everything in the Amazon top 100 at the moment pretty much is books by YouTubers. So it's this real cash cow. But I'm not a teenager, and I have talked to so many girls and boys about this, and inevitably girls are [SHRIEKS] about these things, perhaps more than boys are. I think they are the next One Direction. I think they're the new boy bands and boy [INAUDIBLE]. But also, I think it's because it is a big thing for males and females. So I think it is very much a sibling relationship, and they have that very intimate feeling like they were in a gang or a family if that makes sense. FEMALE SPEAKER: We have a question in the back. Sorry, we only have one microphone. AUDIENCE: Hi, thanks so much for that. I'm a mum with a one-year-old, and frankly, I find it terrifying. CHLOE COMBI: Sorry! AUDIENCE: Really terrifying, but I imagine you spoke to a broad selection of Generation Zers, and their relationships with technology. Were there any indicators of differentiators between those who had healthy relationships with technology, where it didn't impact on their ability to socially effective person. Could you share that? CHLOE COMBI: Healthy relationships, I think it's like anything. I think I'm gonna sound really old here, but I'm not a parent. I don't have children yet, but if and when I do, I think what you really need to make clear are perhaps two or three things. The number one, I think that you need to make absolutely clear that the internet is not the real world, that everything on the internet to some extent is airbrushed and commodified, and sold and packaged in a particular way. And I think a lot teenagers forget that, and they buy into this Instagram fantasy. So that communication to your kids that the internet and whatever they're looking at isn't real. And also that insistence. And I know the kids, the teenagers who I did speak to you who I know and felt like they had really healthy relationships, the ones that still exist outside the screen still go out with their friends, go to the cinema, do stuff, have this actually life outside of technology. And I think the ones where I looked at them, and I thought, this is a little bit toxic, unhealthy where they're just completely living in this internalized screen world and they spend all their time online and socialize online, and just have no separation between technology and the real world. And I think that's possibly what we're heading for more, and more, and more. People don't meat in bars anymore. They meet on Tinder, and that's a really good example. But I think that's gonna to be more and more extreme as this generation goes on. But just try and get them reading, and socializing, and talking, and interacting in this time and space. AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE] it's a follow-up question, how do you think we can do that? How can we improve the situation [INAUDIBLE] life 10 years on, not just the social aspect, but also the cyberbullying? How do you think we can make a possible impact and change their lives? CHLOE COMBI: So do you mean their lives, or the internet itself, or a bit of both? AUDIENCE: A bit of both. CHLOE COMBI: It's really hard, isn't it? Because for lots of kids, how does go to the Scouts, or be a girl guide, or go and be a champion swimmer, or go and volunteer, or mow an old lady's lawn?f and I think that it can be quite hard to sell reality when virtual reality, to some kids, is so much more appealing. But I think, again, we have to reiterate and reiterate that there's no substitute for actual human contact, and human emotion, and that say chatting to your mates online is not the same, I think, as sitting by them, and having them there, and so on. To make things better, all I can say is I just think it's information, information, information. And I think part of the big problem is, and I briefly touched on that, I hope, I think that there's just not enough clarity about the laws and the rules, and basically the ethics of the internet. Not like this is what you have to do, but this is what you should want to do. And I think, really, if we've got any hope at all, I think there needs to be much more collaboration between the internet providers, and politicians, and educators to actually come up with internet happy packages, or something that sounds a bit happy clappy, but something that is a bit more universally understood about how you should behave online, and probably maybe built into. Go outside occasionally, see the world. AUDIENCE: Thank you very much. I wonder what you thought [INAUDIBLE] as these guys grow up, like when they're in their 30s and 40s, do you think that their actual values will be [INAUDIBLE]. How worried should we be about that? CHLOE COMBI: The way we're heading, bearing in mind that I think that a lot of this is easy to forget, that a lot of this is in its real infancy. And in terms of the internet, we're all pretty much in nappies still. There's a real newness to this world, and I think we're making up the rules as we go along, and realizing there's some things that need to be improved or modified. I think Twitter's a really good example of this. It started as this social experiment that is just going horribly, horribly wrong. And I think it's turning people into assholes. And people are very quickly saying this isn't good enough. And I think if we ascribe those values and that particular kind of model to kids, I think we are going to learn how to manage the internet better, and manage our relationship with it better, But it is a collaborative If it continued on its current trajectory, I think we are in trouble. I think we need to make some really, really quick changes, and very, very quickly. So I think that's a brilliant question. FEMALE SPEAKER: [INAUDIBLE]. AUDIENCE: You talked a lot about schools, institutions, and businesses. The parents haven't been [INAUDIBLE] and I wonder is that because parents just don't have a clue what their children are doing [INAUDIBLE]. CHLOE COMBI: Parents and technology, that's a brilliant question, because I have written a lot about this, about how kids are basically running circles around their parents technologically. And you get these really angry emails going, how dare you! I'm a wiz on owned technology, and I know everything. And I'm sure-- if any, how many of you guys have kids? I'm sure not many of your kids would be able to pull the wool over your eyes, and say no, Dad. It's a school project on naked ladies! But yes, yes, yes, yes. I've got a four year-old and a six year-old nephew, and they do seem to have this chip in their brain that has this innate understanding. Before he could even walk he was on the iPad. And I just think there seems to be something they're evolved with. But yes, I think teenagers exist in a very, very-- which is why Facebook has become so diminished in its popularity-- they exist in this very private world that they want to keep separate from their parents. They have this very, very, very strong online identity that, I think, is very, very confidential to them. And yes, I do. I think for the most part, if you read the book, I mean, there's so may anecdotes of parents them getting into all kinds of trouble There's a girl who got groomed online, a horrible few horrible examples. And the parents have absolutely no idea. And I do think it's like all of us. We're all quite secretive on the internet. I mean, I don't think any of us would be that happy if your mate was like let me look at your history of browsing. You'd be like, uh, must you? And so if you think about kids, they're really, really secretive online. So I think there is a problem of this generational gap. And I think it's probably narrowing. So kids who are in their late teens and early 20s probably have fairly clueless parents, and then obviously as the parents get younger, that probably will narrow, but right now, I think is a big thing. Good question. AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]. Some of what you talked about sounds really depressing. CHLOE COMBI: I know. I'm sorry. AUDIENCE: Did the teenagers feel optimistic about life? [INAUDIBLE]? CHLOE COMBI: For these talks, I sometimes do go for the jugular. And there are loads of brilliant, and wonderful, and amazing kids, and they're doing brilliant, and amazing, wonderful things. And I promise you, it isn't a bleak book. But yes, the teenagers are cautiously optimistic about the future. I think that they see that there's many things in decline, things like where 10 years ago, there was a tangible dream, I'm gonna go and work for the Times, or I'm gonna go and work for The Daily Mirror and become a journalist. I think that's a vanishing prospect, and there's lots of career vanishing prospects, and they're very, very well aware of this. The other thing is, I do think they've become much more realistic. Five years ago, when I first started writing about kids, when I very first started teaching, and they all were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be famous. What are you gonna famous for? I'm just gonna be famous. I'm either gonna be a famous singer, or a famous footballer, or what have you. And I think they've also realized that that's a fairly unrealistic dream, and they need to have a plan B. It's very much down to the individual. There's some kids who just see the world, and just see things that they're gonna add to it, and create. And there's some kids who see the world, and just see what they wanna take. And let's say fr the most part, they more fall into the former category. They're much more optimistic, and giving, and want to do stuff for the world, and contribute to the world. But trouble is you hear-- and I'm sometimes a bit guilty of that-- the kids who take too much stuff away. AUDIENCE: Thank you for an interesting talk. I totally get the point about how they view technology. I volunteer at this school in north London, and some of them ask me, how the hell can you work for Google, sir? Because it's just a website. CHLOE COMBI: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. AUDIENCE: So the question I want to ask is, if a couple of the issues are, as you mentioned, this idea that [INAUDIBLE] kind of curated online and there's a lack of core social contexts, there's texting, there's obviously cyberbullying, et cetera, it's far less inhibitive, because you can't empathize with a text message. Do you think that the rise of services like Snapchat which are more unfiltered and have the [INAUDIBLE] aspect are a force for good when it comes to cultural [INAUDIBLE]. CHLOE COMBI: It's a really complicated one, because I know completely what you're saying, that the in the moment can give it more of that immediacy that email completely lost, and I think even texting does, particularly as it's backed up with pictures and emoticons and stuff like that which underline your point. I do know what you mean, but at the same time, I think that Snapchat is also another barrier, because it's like when you watch-- we're all guilty of this-- but when you watch kids doing stuff, like, say having lunch, they're all too busy Snapchatting their lunch to chat. I know what you mean. I think it's evolving the way we do talk in that particular way, and I think it is bringing it into that real time, and giving that kind of immediacy and emotion. But I think at the same time it's another step back from that human interaction. And I don't whether in 30 years time whether we're just gonna have screens for faces with emoticons coming up. AUDIENCE: Facebook's working on it. It's called Oculus. CHLOE COMBI: There you go. That's terrifying. FEMALE SPEAKER: We have time for two more questions, one here and one in the first row [INAUDIBLE]. AUDIENCE: Thank you so much. I was looking up [INAUDIBLE] changing nature of crime and real decline in what we might call [INAUDIBLE] crimes or burglaries. CHLOE COMBI: Absolutely, yeah. AUDIENCE: And a massive rise in terms of cyber crime and child sex abuse. If you were with the Home Secretary right now, what three things would you ask him to do that would make a difference in terms of that growth on child sex abuse and cyber crime? CHLOE COMBI: Well, this is really interesting. I actually just wrote an article about this specifically, this whole thing about child sex crime. And it's a big question, and this is terrifying. But one of the things, when you go into the serious criminal world-- no, not even the serious criminal world, when you go into the streets of London, you talk to kids involved in criminal activity, one of the things that's fast emerging is that drug dealing, and gun running, and things like that are high risk, but pimping and the skin trade is not high risk for the pimps. It's high risk for the girls. So kids, younger boys, younger and younger men, are getting more, and more, and more into pimping younger, and younger, and younger. And I think that that is massively being fueled and encouraged by the internet, and by this child trafficking and things like that on the internet. So I think that because you've got these police units that are well in there with the drug awareness stuff. They're well in there with the burglary stuff. They're well in there with the riot stuff. They need to get sex units on the streets, and really, really quickly. I was talking to 13 year-olds the other day, and they all know girls who were being pulled into the sex industry, and girls who aren't that much older, and so school age girls. And I know for a fact, I was talking the grooming of girls, particularly in what would be considered high risk schools, is very, very common. I've written several about this, 17 year-old boys, they might look at a 30 or 40 year-old man, and think weird. So what they're doing is recruiting 17 year-old boys to lure them in. So it's become this hierarchy. So that would be my number one thing-- so education and bringing in these sex units. And again, I wouldn't teach my grandmother to suck eggs, and come in here and say I'm a cyber expert. I'm not, but I'm guessing they really need to get more into these cyber aspects of it. Because it seems to be like fungus. It just pops up everywhere on the internet, and it's really awful. Great question. Though. It's one to think about. AUDIENCE: Thank you. FEMALE SPEAKER: One more in the front [INAUDIBLE]. AUDIENCE: So teenagers are quite famously [INAUDIBLE] and these are quite complicated issues, and they might not be predisposed to listen to their parents, the police, the government, or teachers. How do you think we should try and communicate to teenagers on these issues? How are you gonna get the message [INAUDIBLE]? CHLOE COMBI: How are you gonna communicate? I think that's a really good question, and I think that I do know the answer to this one, even though it's maybe not the complete one. I think it's collaboration. I think, again, this book is in their voices. It's them talking. I didn't say to them this is what I think you think. I said to them, just tell me what you think. And teenagers are so used to be being talked at and about that no one ever sits and says, well, tell me. Tell me, well, how did you feel when your mum died? How did you feel when you got kicked out of school? How did you feel when you got into Oxford? And all these stories are in there, and I think that's the thing. It's communication and collaboration. Rather than say, these are the teen problems, you say, you tell me what teen problems are, and let's sort this problem out togetherness, and let's try and come up with some answers. And I think that that's pertinent for what we're doing on the internet, how we deal with quite a lot of the internet problems, and just generally how we're going to improve as a species. That's a profound note to end on, wasn't it? FEMALE SPEAKER: Please join me in thanking Chloe for coming on. CHLOE COMBI: Thank you. [APPLAUSE]
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