You don't normally look at light,

通常你不會直視陽光

we're generally looking at something light reveals.

我們一般只看著有光揭露的部份

For me, it was important that people come to value light--

對我而言, 人們能重視光的價值

to value light as we value gold, silver, paintings, objects.

就像我們重視黃金, 銀幣，畫作和物體一樣重要

It's not something that you form with the hands like wax or clay.

它不是手中可雕塑的石蠟或黏土

You don't carve it away like with wood or stone.

你不會像木柴和墓石那樣雕琢它

You don't assemble it like welding it.

你不會像焊接一樣聚集它

And it's kind of learning your craft--

它就像是你學習的工藝一樣

it took a while for me to learn to work with light

我花了好一陣子才學會與日光相互合作

so that you really felt its physical presence and came to value it.

讓你真的感受到它的實體和重要性

I started making these kinds of spaces first in my studio,

我起初是在我的工作室騰出了這樣的空間

but the idea began to evolve so that I actually was making these spaces outside--

但這些構想逐漸形成，以致於我真的在戶外制作此空間

that you actually entered to then look out from,

讓你可以進入後從內而外觀看

as opposed to gain outlook or even insight on how we perceive sky.

相較於取景或甚至是洞悉我們所理解的天空

This is a space where I want to bring the space of the sky down to the top of the space you're in,

這是一個我想要營造出我們所在的天高地遠的空間

so that you really feel to be at the bottom of the ocean of air,

以便讓你真正感受身在海底的空氣當中

and you really then experience this quality that can happen at the change of day to night and night to day.

此外你會真的體驗這項特性會有日夜變化

But doing this right at the cusp of change was very important.

但主要的是要在變化的尖峰時刻做

[WOMAN] I mean, it looks pretty dark in here...

嗯...這裡看起來挺暗的耶....

[TURRELL] Light out there...

光在那邊....

[WOMAN] And you go outside, and you're out there for maybe 30 seconds looking at the sky,

然後你出去外面,接著在戶外看著天空大約30秒

you come back in, and you see more blue than you did when you left.

你再進來裡面後, 你會發現天空比你離開前還要更藍了

[TURRELL] Yes.

是的

[WOMAN] Your eye has just adjusted again. It's amazing...

你的眼睛只是再調節適應了一下. 真驚人....

[MAN] Or if you would do this, it gets blue again. Look.

或著妳可以這樣做, 它又變藍了，妳看!

[WOMAN] That's a trick someone... [LAUGHS]

那是哄人的小把戲吧....哈哈哈

[TURRELL] So what about color? How is it formed?

那顏色又怎麼說呢? 它怎麼形成的?

Basically, we feel, when we look at the sky, that we receive this blue, this color.

基本上, 我們覺得, 當我們看著天空,所以我們眼中接收的是藍色這個顏色

This light, lighting the space in relationship to the sky outside,

此光, 照亮的空間關乎著戶外的天空

would definitely intensify, greatly, the blue.

一定會使它的藍度大幅增強

There are a number of painters who've really intensified color by the surround or the context of a shape or area.

有一些繪畫家曾經增強過周圍的用色, 輪廓的形狀或是面積

You could be not only looking at a painting or a work of art, but you're actually looking at yourself perceiving.

你可能不只是看著一幅畫或是一項藝術作品,也正在看著自己的感知

This world that we have around us is not a world that we receive, but more a world that we create and make.

在這個我們所擁有的周圍世界不只是一個我們有所認知的標準, 而更是一個我們所創造跟構成的世界

Now, this seems a bit of a surprise because we really feel--and we are very much attached to the fact--

現在, 我們似乎為我們的感受感到令人驚訝, 還有我們非常依循事實--

that we are receiving these perceptions as opposed to creating them.

是相對於創造它我們也接收了這些官感

But we do create the reality in which we live.

但我們確實創造我們生活中的真實