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  • I think I'll start out and just talk a little bit about

    我想我會以簡單談談

  • what exactly autism is.

    自閉症是什麼做為開場

  • Autism is a very big continuum

    自閉症是非常大的範疇

  • that goes from very severe -- the child remains non-verbal --

    從非常嚴重 小朋友不會說話

  • all the way up to brilliant scientists and engineers.

    到天才的科學家及工程師

  • And I actually feel at home here,

    事實上我覺得這裡像家一樣

  • because there's a lot of autism genetics here.

    因為在這有許多有自閉症基因的

  • You wouldn't have any...

    各位不會有任何....

  • (Applause)

    鼓掌

  • It's a continuum of traits.

    這是連續的特徵

  • When does a nerd turn into

    一個書呆子何時變成

  • Asperger, which is just mild autism?

    亞斯柏格 這只是中等自閉症

  • I mean, Einstein and Mozart

    愛因斯坦 莫札特

  • and Tesla would all be probably diagnosed

    和特斯拉在今日都有可能被診斷為

  • as autistic spectrum today.

    自閉症者

  • And one of the things that is really going to concern me is

    現在我真正擔心的一件事是

  • getting these kids to be the ones that are going to invent

    如何培育這些

  • the next energy things,

    負責打造未來的孩子們

  • you know, that Bill Gates talked about this morning.

    這問題比爾蓋茲今早有談到

  • OK. Now, if you want to understand

    現在若你想了解

  • autism, animals.

    自閉症 動物

  • And I want to talk to you now about different ways of thinking.

    我要跟各位談談不同的思考模式

  • You have to get away from verbal language.

    你必須忘記文字語言

  • I think in pictures,

    我是以圖像為思考

  • I don't think in language.

    我不以語言為思考

  • Now, the thing about the autistic mind

    自閉兒的腦

  • is it attends to details.

    是專注於細節

  • OK, this is a test where you either have to

    這是一個你必須選擇

  • pick out the big letters, or pick out the little letters,

    大字母或小字母的測試

  • and the autistic mind picks out the

    而自閉症的腦子

  • little letters more quickly.

    選出小字母比較快

  • And the thing is, the normal brain ignores the details.

    正常的腦子忽略細節

  • Well, if you're building a bridge, details are pretty important

    若你要建造一座橋 細節是很重要的

  • because it will fall down if you ignore the details.

    若你忽視細節 橋會垮掉

  • And one of my big concerns with a lot of policy things today

    我最大的疑慮是現今的多數的政策

  • is things are getting too abstract.

    使事物變得太抽象

  • People are getting away from doing

    人們漸漸遠離

  • hands-on stuff.

    親手實作

  • I'm really concerned that a lot of the schools have taken out

    我真的很擔心許多學校取消了

  • the hands-on classes,

    動手實作的課程

  • because art, and classes like that,

    因為藝術及這類課程

  • those are the classes where I excelled.

    是我表現最好的課程

  • In my work with cattle,

    當我研究牛時

  • I noticed a lot of little things that most people don't notice

    我注意到許多大部分人不注意的小事

  • would make the cattle balk. Like, for example,

    那些會讓牛畏懼 比如像

  • this flag waving, right in front of the veterinary facility.

    獸醫中心前方飄揚的旗幟

  • This feed yard was going to tear down their whole veterinary facility;

    這會讓牠們想把整座獸醫中心拆除

  • all they needed to do was move the flag.

    人們只需要遷移旗杆

  • Rapid movement, contrast.

    快速的遷移

  • In the early '70s when I started, I got right down

    在70年代早期我剛開始時  我親自去

  • in the chutes to see what cattle were seeing.

    陡槽觀察牛隻看到什麼

  • People thought that was crazy. A coat on a fence would make them balk,

    別人認為我很瘋狂 大衣掛在圍籬上會使牛群畏懼

  • shadows would make them balk, a hose on the floor ...

    陰影會讓他們畏怯 地上的水管也是

  • people weren't noticing these things --

    人們不去注意這些事

  • a chain hanging down --

    這些都是連鎖反應

  • and that's shown very, very nicely in the movie.

    電影裡都是美化的

  • In fact, I loved the movie, how they

    事實上我很喜愛電影劇情中他們

  • duplicated all my projects. That's the geek side.

    複製所有我的研究專案的方式 那是我怪咖的一面

  • My drawings got to star in the movie too.

    我的手繪圖也在電影裡客串一角

  • And actually it's called "Temple Grandin,"

    這電影叫做「天寶葛蘭汀」

  • not "Thinking In Pictures."

    不是「圖像思考」

  • So, what is thinking in pictures? It's literally movies

    所以 什麼是圖像思考 按照字面的意思是

  • in your head.

    你腦中的電影

  • My mind works like Google for images.

    我腦子的運作就像是Google搜尋圖片

  • Now, when I was a young kid I didn't know my thinking was different.

    當我還小時 我不知道我的思考和別人不同

  • I thought everybody thought in pictures.

    我以為每個人都是以圖像來思考

  • And then when I did my book, "Thinking In Pictures,"

    後來當我寫「圖像思考」時

  • I start interviewing people about how they think.

    我開始訪談一些人看他們如何思考

  • And I was shocked to find out that

    我很訝異的發現我的思考方式

  • my thinking was quite different. Like if I say,

    是非常不同的 就像我說的

  • "Think about a church steeple"

    「想像一下教堂的尖頂」

  • most people get this sort of generalized generic one.

    大部分的人得到的是一般普通的尖頂

  • Now, maybe that's not true in this room,

    或許對現場的各位不是如此

  • but it's going to be true in a lot of different places.

    但在許多不同地方卻是如此

  • I see only specific pictures.

    我只看得到特定的圖像

  • They flash up into my memory, just like Google for pictures.

    它們由我記憶中跳出 就像Google搜尋到的圖片

  • And in the movie, they've got a great scene in there

    在電影中 有一幕很棒的場景

  • where the word "shoe" is said, and a whole bunch of '50s and '60s shoes

    當「鞋」這一字被說出時 一大堆50及60年代的鞋子

  • pop into my imagination.

    就跳入我腦海中

  • OK, there is my childhood church,

    這是我小時候的教堂

  • that's specific. There's some more, Fort Collins.

    很明確 還有更多 像科林斯堡

  • OK, how about famous ones?

    那些有名氣的又如何呢

  • And they just kind of come up, kind of like this.

    它們會出現 有點像這樣

  • Just really quickly, like Google for pictures.

    只是非常快速 像Google搜尋圖片

  • And they come up one at a time,

    它們一次出現一張

  • and then I think, "OK, well maybe we can have it snow,

    然後我會想  或許我們可以有點雪

  • or we can have a thunderstorm,"

    或是來場暴風雨

  • and I can hold it there and turn them into videos.

    我們可以定格然後轉為影片

  • Now, visual thinking was a tremendous asset

    圖像思考在我設計牛隻管理中心時

  • in my work designing cattle-handling facilities.

    是巨大的資產

  • And I've worked really hard on improving

    我非常努力的在研究改良

  • how cattle are treated at the slaughter plant.

    牛隻在屠宰廠的待遇

  • I'm not going to go into any gucky slaughter slides.

    我不會介紹任何噁心屠宰的幻燈片

  • I've got that stuff up on YouTube if you want to look at it.

    若各位想看的話我把那些都放在Youtube上了

  • But, one of the things that I was able to do in my design work

    在我的設計工作中

  • is I could actually test run

    我可以在腦海中直接測試

  • a piece of equipment in my mind,

    看它是否可行

  • just like a virtual reality computer system.

    就像一台虛擬實境的電腦系統

  • And this is an aerial view

    這是一幅娛樂中心的鳥瞰圖

  • of a recreation of one of my projects that was used in the movie.

    在電影中有提到 它是我進行的其中一項計畫

  • That was like just so super cool.

    這是非常酷的

  • And there were a lot of kind of Asperger types

    有許多亞斯柏格症的人

  • and autism types working out there on the movie set too.

    和自閉症的人也在電影場景中工作

  • (Laughter)

    笑聲

  • But one of the things that really worries me

    其中有件事讓我很擔心的是

  • is: Where's the younger version of those kids going today?

    今日的孩子們將被帶往何處

  • They're not ending up in Silicon Valley, where they belong.

    他們不會被帶到矽谷 矽谷才是他們的地方

  • (Laughter)

    笑聲

  • (Applause)

    鼓掌

  • Now, one of the things I learned very early on because I wasn't that social,

    我不是很社會化 所以我在很早期學到的一件事就是

  • is I had to sell my work, and not myself.

    我必須販賣我的作品 而不是我本身

  • And the way I sold livestock jobs

    我想獲得和家畜有關的工作

  • is I showed off my drawings, I showed off pictures of things.

    用的方式是展現我的繪稿 我用繪畫的說明

  • Another thing that helped me as a little kid

    另一個對我有幫助的是 當我還小時

  • is, boy, in the '50s, you were taught manners.

    在50年代 你被教導要有禮貌

  • You were taught you can't pull the merchandise off the shelves

    你被教導不能在商店裡隨便拿貨加上的商品

  • in the store and throw it around.

    又隨處亂放

  • Now, when kids get to be in third or fourth grade,

    當小朋友在三或四年級時

  • you might see that this kid's going to be a visual thinker,

    你可以發現這小孩將成為一位圖像思考者

  • drawing in perspective. Now, I want to

    以透視法來作圖 我要強調

  • emphasize that not every autistic kid

    並非所有的自閉症兒

  • is going to be a visual thinker.

    都是圖像思考者

  • Now, I had this brain scan done several years ago,

    我許多年前做過腦部掃描

  • and I used to joke around about having a

    我以前常開玩笑說

  • gigantic Internet trunk line

    我有這條很粗的網路幹線

  • going deep into my visual cortex.

    深入我的視覺皮層

  • This is tensor imaging.

    這是張量造影

  • And my great big internet trunk line

    我的巨大的網路幹線

  • is twice as big as the control's.

    比控制組的大兩倍

  • The red lines there are me,

    紅線是我的

  • and the blue lines are the sex and age-matched control.

    藍線是性別及年齡和我相符的控制組

  • And there I got a gigantic one,

    我有這條巨大的幹線

  • and the control over there, the blue one,

    對照組的是藍色線

  • has got a really small one.

    很細

  • And some of the research now is showing

    目前有些研究顯示

  • is that people on the spectrum actually think with primary visual cortex.

    自閉症的人 以視覺皮層為主要的的思考

  • Now, the thing is, the visual thinker's just one kind of mind.

    重點是 視覺思只是其中一種思考方式

  • You see, the autistic mind tends to be a specialist mind --

    自閉症通常擁有比較特別的心智

  • good at one thing, bad at something else.

    往往在某一方面很好 但在其他方面很糟

  • And where I was bad was algebra. And I was never allowed

    我的代數很糟 我無法選擇

  • to take geometry or trig.

    幾何學或三角函數的課程

  • Gigantic mistake: I'm finding a lot of kids who need to skip algebra,

    這是很嚴重的錯誤 我發現許多孩童需要跳過代數

  • go right to geometry and trig.

    直接學幾何或是三角函數

  • Now, another kind of mind is the pattern thinker.

    另外一種思考方式是模式思考者

  • More abstract. These are your engineers,

    更抽象 就像是工程師

  • your computer programmers.

    電腦程式師

  • Now, this is pattern thinking. That praying mantis

    這是模式思考 那隻祈禱的螳螂

  • is made from a single sheet of paper --

    是由單一的一張紙做出來的

  • no scotch tape, no cuts.

    沒膠帶 沒裁剪

  • And there in the background is the pattern for folding it.

    後面就是折疊的圖案

  • Here are the types of thinking:

    思考的種類如下:

  • photo-realistic visual thinkers, like me;

    圖像寫實視覺思考 像我就是

  • pattern thinkers, music and math minds.

    模式思考者 音樂家及數學家的心智

  • Some of these oftentimes have problems with reading.

    這類的人常有閱讀上的問題

  • You also will see these kind of problems

    你也會發現有朗讀問題的孩童

  • with kids that are dyslexic.

    也會有這方面的特徵

  • You'll see these different kinds of minds.

    你將發現這些不同種類的心智

  • And then there's a verbal mind, they know every fact about everything.

    還有口語的心智  他們知道所有事情的理論

  • Now, another thing is the sensory issues.

    另一個議題是感知問題

  • I was really concerned about having to wear this gadget on my face.

    我對必須戴這裝備很憂慮

  • And I came in half an hour beforehand

    我在開場前半小時就到場

  • so I could have it put on and kind of get used to it,

    將設備安裝好 並且習慣它

  • and they got it bent so it's not hitting my chin.

    為了不要碰到我的下巴 他們還把它折彎了

  • But sensory is an issue. Some kids are bothered by fluorescent lights;

    感知是個問題  有些孩童會被日光燈干擾

  • others have problems with sound sensitivity.

    有些則有聲音敏感的問題

  • You know, it's going to be variable.

    各類型的問題都有

  • Now, visual thinking gave me a whole lot of insight

    視覺思考讓我了解很多

  • into the animal mind.

    動物的想法

  • Because think about it: An animal is a sensory-based thinker,

    想想看 動物是一種以感知為基礎的思考者

  • not verbal -- thinks in pictures,

    不是以文字 而是以圖像

  • thinks in sounds, thinks in smells.

    以聲音來思考 以氣味來思考

  • Think about how much information there is there on the local fire hydrant.

    想想看 路邊的消防栓上有多少的資訊

  • He knows who's been there, when they were there.

    牠知道誰去過那裡 知道何時去那裡

  • Are they friend or foe? Is there anybody he can go mate with?

    是友是敵 有誰可以當伴的嗎

  • There's a ton of information on that fire hydrant.

    消防栓有數以萬計的訊息

  • It's all very detailed information,

    全都是非常細節的資訊

  • and, looking at these kind of details

    觀察這種細節

  • gave me a lot of insight into animals.

    讓我更深入了解動物

  • Now, the animal mind, and also my mind,

    動物的思考與我的思考

  • puts sensory-based information

    都是將感官的訊息

  • into categories.

    歸類處理

  • Man on a horse

    人騎在馬上

  • and a man on the ground --

    和站在地上

  • that is viewed as two totally different things.

    視為完全不同的事物

  • You could have a horse that's been abused by a rider.

    一匹被騎士虐待過的馬

  • They'll be absolutely fine with the veterinarian

    獸醫檢查過沒問題

  • and with the horseshoer, but you can't ride him.

    也可以釘馬蹄鐵 但你就是不能騎牠

  • You have another horse, where maybe the horseshoer beat him up

    另一匹馬 也許馬夫打過牠

  • and he'll be terrible for anything on the ground,

    牠將永遠對地上的事物感到恐懼

  • with the veterinarian, but a person can ride him.

    即使獸醫也不例外 但人們可以騎牠

  • Cattle are the same way.

    牛隻也不例外

  • Man on a horse,

    騎在馬上的人

  • a man on foot -- they're two different things.

    與站在地上的人 被視為兩件絕然不同的事

  • You see, it's a different picture.

    你看這是不同的圖片

  • See, I want you to think about just how specific this is.

    各位想想看 這是多麼具體的細節

  • Now, this ability to put information into categories,

    這種將資訊歸類的能力

  • I find a lot of people are not very good at this.

    我發覺許多人並不擅長這種能力

  • When I'm out troubleshooting equipment

    當我去察看問題設備

  • or problems with something in a plant,

    或農場東西有問題時

  • they don't seem to be able to figure out, "Do I have a training people issue?

    他們似乎是無法發覺問題所在 「我有人力訓練的問題嗎?」

  • Or do I have something wrong with the equipment?"

    或是「我的設備有問題嗎?」

  • In other words, categorize equipment problem

    換句話說 將問題歸類於設備

  • from a people problem.

    或是人力的問題

  • I find a lot of people have difficulty doing that.

    我發現很多人不會這麼做

  • Now, let's say I figure out it's an equipment problem.

    這樣說吧!這是設備問題

  • Is it a minor problem, with something simple I can fix?

    一個小的,簡單的我就可以處理的問題?

  • Or is the whole design of the system wrong?

    還是這是整個系統的錯誤設計?

  • People have a hard time figuring that out.

    人們很難分辨

  • Let's just look at something like, you know,

    讓我們來看看這個

  • solving problems with making airlines safer.

    如何解決問題讓飛機更安全

  • Yeah, I'm a million-mile flyer.

    是的 我是個飛行常客

  • I do lots and lots of flying,

    我常在飛行

  • and if I was at the FAA,

    我若是任職FFA

  • what would I be doing a lot of direct observation of?

    我會把觀察重點放在哪裡呢?

  • It would be their airplane tails.

    飛機的機尾

  • You know, five fatal wrecks in the last 20 years,

    過去20年間有5次嚴重的失事

  • the tail either came off or steering stuff inside the tail broke

    不是機尾脫落就是機尾內導向的零件故障

  • in some way.

    形式不一

  • It's tails, pure and simple.

    就是機尾 簡單明瞭

  • And when the pilots walk around the plane, guess what? They can't see

    當駕駛員檢查時 他們就是看不出來

  • that stuff inside the tail.

    機尾的問題

  • You know, now as I think about that,

    現在當我思考那問題時

  • I'm pulling up all of that specific information.

    我提出所有確切的資訊

  • It's specific. See, my thinking's bottom-up.

    很明確的 所以 我的思考是從細節到全體

  • I take all the little pieces and I put the pieces together like a puzzle.

    我將所有的小片段放在一起就像拼圖一樣

  • Now, here is a horse that was deathly afraid

    這是一隻非常害怕

  • of black cowboy hats.

    黑色牛仔帽的馬

  • He'd been abused by somebody with a black cowboy hat.

    牠曾被戴黑色牛仔帽的人虐待過

  • White cowboy hats, that was absolutely fine.

    白色牛仔帽則完全沒問題

  • Now, the thing is, the world is going to need

    這世界將需要

  • all of the different kinds of minds

    各種型態心智的人

  • to work together.

    一起合作

  • We've got to work on developing all these different kinds of minds.

    我們必須合力開發所有類型的心智

  • And one of the things that is driving me really crazy,

    有件讓我真的很受不了的事就是

  • as I travel around and I do autism meetings,

    當我四處旅行 參加自閉症會議時

  • is I'm seeing a lot of smart, geeky, nerdy kids,

    我遇到很多聰明 怪咖 書呆的孩童

  • and they just aren't very social,

    他們只是不太懂社交

  • and nobody's working on developing their interest

    而沒有人對他們的興趣進行開發

  • in something like science.

    像在科學方面

  • And this brings up the whole thing of my science teacher.

    這讓我想到我的科學老師

  • My science teacher is shown absolutely beautifully in the movie.

    我的科學老師在電影中被描述的非常美好

  • I was a goofball student. When I was in high school

    當我中學時 我曾是個傻瓜呆的學生

  • I just didn't care at all about studying,

    我對學習完全不關心

  • until I had Mr. Carlock's science class.

    直到我上了卡拉克老師的科學課

  • He was now Dr. Carlock in the movie.

    就電影裡的卡拉克博士

  • And he got me challenged

    他把我帶到一個

  • to figure out an optical illusion room.

    充滿視覺虛幻的房間

  • This brings up the whole thing of you've got to show kids

    由此可知 大家必需展現有趣的事物

  • interesting stuff.

    引起孩子們的興趣

  • You know, one of the things that I think maybe TED ought to do

    有一件事我覺得TED應該要做

  • is tell all the schools about all the great lectures that are on TED,

    就是告訴所有的學校關於TED上面所有優秀的演講

  • and there's all kinds of great stuff on the Internet

    以及網路上有各種好東西

  • to get these kids turned on.

    吸引這些孩童

  • Because I'm seeing a lot of these geeky nerdy kids,

    因為我遇到許多怪咖書呆的孩童

  • and the teachers out in the Midwest, and the other parts of the country,

    中西部及國內其他地方的老師

  • when you get away from these tech areas,

    當遠離科技區域時

  • they don't know what to do with these kids.

    他們就不知道該如何對待這些孩童

  • And they're not going down the right path.

    他們並沒走在對的道路上

  • The thing is, you can make a mind

    重點是你可以讓心智成為

  • to be more of a thinking and cognitive mind,

    屬於思考及認知的心智

  • or your mind can be wired to be more social.

    或是變得更社會化

  • And what some of the research now has shown in autism

    現今有些自閉症的研究指出

  • is there may by extra wiring back here,

    在天才的腦中有許多額外的連結

  • in the really brilliant mind, and we lose a few social circuits here.

    而我們只是缺少一些社交的連線

  • It's kind of a trade-off between thinking and social.

    或許兩者是彼此消長

  • And then you can get into the point where it's so severe

    到達某種極端程度時

  • you're going to have a person that's going to be non-verbal.

    人就會變得無法言語了

  • In the normal human mind

    在普通的人腦中

  • language covers up the visual thinking we share with animals.

    語言的區域覆蓋了視覺區域 後者我們和動物一樣

  • This is the work of Dr. Bruce Miller.

    這是布魯斯米勒博士的作品

  • And he studied Alzheimer's patients

    他研究有老人失智患者中的

  • that had frontal temporal lobe dementia.

    額顳葉症呆患者

  • And the dementia ate out the language parts of the brain,

    失智症侵蝕腦中語言部份

  • and then this artwork came out of somebody who used to install stereos in cars.

    這藝術作品由一位安裝汽車音響的人所做的

  • Now, Van Gogh doesn't know anything about physics,

    梵谷對物理全然不解

  • but I think it's very interesting

    但是我認為非常有趣的是

  • that there was some work done to show that

    這幅畫裡

  • this eddy pattern in this painting

    這些漩渦狀的圖案

  • followed a statistical model of turbulence,

    遵循了亂流的統計模型

  • which brings up the whole interesting idea

    這引發了一整個有趣的想法

  • of maybe some of this mathematical patterns

    或許有些數學的模式

  • is in our own head.

    是在我們自己的腦中

  • And the Wolfram stuff -- I was taking

    而我記錄的Wolfram東西及

  • notes and I was writing down all the

    我寫下我能使用

  • search words I could use,

    所有搜尋的字

  • because I think that's going to go on in my autism lectures.

    因為我認為將會用在我自閉症的教學上

  • We've got to show these kids interesting stuff.

    我們必須展現給有趣的事物給孩子們

  • And they've taken out the autoshop class

    可惜的是學校竟然取消了工藝課程

  • and the drafting class and the art class.

    繪畫課及藝術課

  • I mean art was my best subject in school.

    藝術曾是我在學校時表現最好的科目

  • We've got to think about all these different kinds of minds,

    我們必需考慮到有這麼多不同類型的心智

  • and we've got to absolutely work with these kind of minds,

    而且我們必需與他們一起解決問題

  • because we absolutely are going to need

    因為我們的未來

  • these kind of people in the future.

    正需要這一類的人

  • And let's talk about jobs.

    讓我們來談談工作

  • OK, my science teacher got me studying

    我的科學老師讓我學習

  • because I was a goofball that didn't want to study.

    因為我是個不想學習的傻瓜呆

  • But you know what? I was getting work experience.

    但是各位知道嗎 我獲得工作經驗

  • I'm seeing too many of these smart kids who haven't learned basic things,

    我正看到太多這類聰明的小孩沒有學習到基礎的事物

  • like how to be on time.

    例如如何守時

  • I was taught that when I was eight years old.

    我8歲時就被教導要守時

  • You know, how to have table manners at granny's Sunday party.

    以及如何在祖母的周日派對上有餐桌禮節

  • I was taught that when I was very, very young.

    我在很小很小的時候就被這樣教導

  • And when I was 13, I had a job at a dressmaker's shop

    當我13歲時 我在成衣廠工作

  • sewing clothes.

    負責賣衣服

  • I did internships in college,

    我在大學裡實習

  • I was building things,

    製做物品

  • and I also had to learn how to do assignments.

    我也必須學習完成分配的任務

  • You know, all I wanted to do was draw pictures of horses when I was little.

    當我小的時候 我只想要畫馬的圖

  • My mother said, "Well let's do a picture of something else."

    母親就說「讓我們來畫點別的東西」

  • They've got to learn how to do something else.

    他們必須學習如何做其他事物

  • Let's say the kid is fixated on Legos.

    例如一個小孩專注在樂高上

  • Let's get him working on building different things.

    我們要讓他蓋點不同的東西

  • The thing about the autistic mind

    自閉症的思緒

  • is it tends to be fixated.

    是傾向於專注

  • Like if a kid loves racecars,

    若一個小孩喜愛賽車

  • let's use racecars for math.

    讓我們運用賽車來教數學

  • Let's figure out how long it takes a racecar to go a certain distance.

    讓我們來算算一輛賽車行駛一段距離要多久

  • In other words, use that fixation

    換句話說 運用專注力

  • in order to motivate that kid, that's one of the things we need to do.

    來激勵這些孩子們 這是我們需要做的事

  • I really get fed up when they, you know, the teachers,

    我真覺得很不妥 當那些老師們

  • especially when you get away from this part of the country,

    尤其是遠離國家發展核心的偏遠區域

  • they don't know what to do with these smart kids.

    那裡的老師不知如何對待這些聰明的小孩

  • It just drives me crazy.

    這會令我抓狂

  • What can visual thinkers do when they grow up?

    一個視覺思考的人 長大後能做些什麼

  • They can do graphic design, all kinds of stuff with computers,

    他們可以從事圖像設計 或跟電腦有關的所有事

  • photography, industrial design.

    攝影及工業設計

  • The pattern thinkers, they're the ones that are going to be

    模式思考者 他們將可以成為

  • your mathematicians, your software engineers,

    各位的數學老師 電腦軟體設計師

  • your computer programmers, all of those kinds of jobs.

    以及電腦程式設計師 所有這類的工作

  • And then you've got the word minds. They make great journalists,

    文字的思考者 他們可成為很優秀的記者

  • and they also make really, really good stage actors.

    他們也可以成為很好的舞台演員

  • Because the thing about being autistic is,

    因為 身為自閉症者

  • I had to learn social skills like being in a play.

    我必須學習社交技巧如同身處於一齣劇中

  • It's just kind of -- you just have to learn it.

    你就是必須學習它

  • And we need to be working with these students.

    我們必須與這些學生合作

  • And this brings up mentors.

    這就講到了導師的問題

  • You know, my science teacher was not an accredited teacher.

    我的科學老師不是一位有認證的老師

  • He was a NASA space scientist.

    他曾是一位NASA太空科學家

  • Now, some states now are getting it to where

    目前有些州採取的方式是

  • if you have a degree in biology, or a degree in chemistry,

    若你有生物或化學的學位

  • you can come into the school and teach biology or chemistry.

    你可以到學校教生物或化學

  • We need to be doing that.

    我們需要如此

  • Because what I'm observing is

    我觀察到的是

  • the good teachers, for a lot of these kids,

    對這些孩童有益的老師

  • are out in the community colleges,

    都是在社區大學裡

  • but we need to be getting some of these good teachers into the high schools.

    我們的高中需要引進這些好老師

  • Another thing that can be very, very, very successful is

    另一件可以非常非常成功的事是

  • there is a lot of people that may have retired

    有許多人可能從軟體業退休

  • from working in the software industry, and they can teach your kid.

    他們可以教這些小孩

  • And it doesn't matter if what they teach them is old,

    若他們教授的是很老舊的事物也沒關係

  • because what you're doing is you're lighting the spark.

    因為你所作的是點燃火花

  • You're getting that kid turned on.

    你啟發孩子們

  • And you get him turned on, then he'll learn all the new stuff.

    你開啟他們的視野 他們將學習所有的新事物

  • Mentors are just essential.

    導師是至關重要的

  • I cannot emphasize enough

    我無法用足夠的形容

  • what my science teacher did for me.

    來說明我的科學老師對我的影響

  • And we've got to mentor them, hire them.

    我們必須引導他們 雇用他們

  • And if you bring them in for internships in your companies,

    若你的公司雇用他們實習

  • the thing about the autism, Asperger-y kind of mind,

    關於自閉症 亞斯博格類的思考者

  • you've got to give them a specific task. Don't just say, "Design new software."

    你必需給他們一項特定的任務 別只說「設計個新軟體」

  • You've got to tell them something a lot more specific:

    你必須告訴他們更明確的東西

  • "Well, we're designing a software for a phone

    「好吧!我們正要設計一套電話軟體

  • and it has to do some specific thing.

    它必須有一些特定的功能

  • And it can only use so much memory."

    而且它只能使用這麼多的記憶體」

  • That's the kind of specificity you need.

    你的指令必需明確

  • Well, that's the end of my talk.

    好了 這是我演講的尾聲了

  • And I just want to thank everybody for coming.

    我要感謝各位的蒞臨

  • It was great to be here.

    非常榮幸能來到此

  • (Applause)

    鼓掌

  • Oh, you've got a question for me? OK.

    你有問題要問我 好的

  • (Applause)

    鼓掌

  • Chris Anderson: Thank you so much for that.

    克利斯安得森:謝謝你的演說

  • You know, you once wrote, I like this quote,

    你曾寫到 我很喜歡這段話

  • "If by some magic, autism had been

    「若因為某些奇蹟

  • eradicated from the face of the Earth,

    使得自閉症不存在在這世間

  • then men would still be socializing in front of a wood fire

    那人類還是會在洞穴口

  • at the entrance to a cave."

    進行社會化

  • Temple Grandin: Because who do you think made the first stone spears?

    天寶葛蘭汀:你認為是誰做了第一把石茅?

  • The Asperger guy. And if you were to get rid of all the autism genetics

    就是亞斯博格患者 若去除所有自閉症遺傳

  • there would be no more Silicon Valley,

    矽谷就不存在了

  • and the energy crisis would not be solved.

    而且能源危機也無法解決

  • (Applause)

    鼓掌

  • CA: So, I want to ask you a couple other questions,

    克利斯安得森:所以我想問你其他問題

  • and if any of these feel inappropriate,

    若你覺得不適當

  • it's okay just to say, "Next question."

    只要說「下個問題」

  • But if there is someone here

    若現場有人

  • who has an autistic child,

    有自閉症的小孩

  • or knows an autistic child

    或認識一個自閉症的小孩

  • and feels kind of cut off from them,

    覺得有些無法跟他們溝通

  • what advice would you give them?

    你會給他們什麼建議?

  • TG: Well, first of all, you've got to look at age.

    天寶葛蘭汀:首先 你必須看年齡

  • If you have a two, three or four year old

    若你認識一個2 3或4歲的小孩

  • you know, no speech, no social interaction,

    不會說話 不會互動

  • I can't emphasize enough:

    我一直強調

  • Don't wait, you need at least 20 hours a week of one-to-one teaching.

    不能等 你每週需要至少20小時的一對一教學

  • You know, the thing is, autism comes in different degrees.

    重點是自閉症是有不同程度的

  • There's going to be about half the people on the spectrum

    在自閉症的範疇裡大約有一半的人

  • that are not going to learn to talk, and they're not going to be working

    將學不會說話 他們將無法在矽谷工作

  • Silicon Valley, that would not be a reasonable thing for them to do.

    這對他們來說並不是合理的事

  • But then you get the smart, geeky kids

    但你也有聰明怪咖的小孩

  • that have a touch of autism,

    他們有些自閉

  • and that's where you've got to get them turned on

    你必須喚起他們的興趣

  • with doing interesting things.

    讓他們做有趣的事

  • I got social interaction through shared interest.

    這就是我藉由共同興趣而獲得社會化的互動

  • I rode horses with other kids, I made model rockets with other kids,

    我跟其他小孩一起騎馬 我跟其他小孩一起做火箭模型

  • did electronics lab with other kids,

    做電子實驗室

  • and in the '60s, it was gluing mirrors

    在60年代那是將鏡子黏在橡膠膜揚聲器

  • onto a rubber membrane on a speaker to make a light show.

    做出一個燈光秀

  • That was like, we considered that super cool.

    那時我們認為那是超級酷的

  • CA: Is it unrealistic for them

    克利斯安得森:對他們而言

  • to hope or think that that child

    希望或是認為自閉症孩子

  • loves them, as some might, as most, wish?

    愛他們是不切實際的 少數可能 大多數則盼望

  • TG: Well let me tell you, that child will be loyal,

    天寶葛蘭汀:我告訴你 自閉小孩是很忠誠的

  • and if your house is burning down, they're going to get you out of it.

    若你的房子發生火災 他們會衝進去救你出來

  • CA: Wow. So, most people, if you ask them

    克利斯安得森:哇 若你問大多數人

  • what are they most passionate about, they'd say things like,

    他們最有熱情在什麼事物上 他們會說

  • "My kids" or "My lover."

    「我的小孩」或是「我的戀人」

  • What are you most passionate about?

    那你最有熱情在什麼事物上

  • TG: I'm passionate about that the things I do

    天寶葛蘭汀:我最有熱情的事物是

  • are going to make the world a better place.

    讓世界變得更美好

  • When I have a mother of an autistic child say,

    當我遇到有自閉症小孩的母親說

  • "My kid went to college because of your book,

    「我的小孩因為你的書 或是

  • or one of your lectures," that makes me happy.

    你教授的一堂課而進了大學」我會很快樂

  • You know, the slaughter plants, I've worked with them

    我合作過的屠宰廠

  • in the '80s; they were absolutely awful.

    在80年代曾是相當的差勁

  • I developed a really simple scoring system for slaughter plants

    我針對屠宰廠開發一套非常簡單

  • where you just measure outcomes: How many cattle fell down?

    只衡量結果的計分系統 幾隻牛跌倒

  • How many cattle got poked with the prodder?

    幾隻牛被尖物戳

  • How many cattle are mooing their heads off?

    幾隻牛被屠宰前哀叫

  • And it's very, very simple.

    系統非常非常簡單

  • You directly observe a few simple things.

    你直接觀察幾項簡單的事物

  • It's worked really well. I get satisfaction out of

    系統運作的很良好 在現實社會中

  • seeing stuff that makes real change

    看到員工真正的改變讓我很滿足

  • in the real world. We need a lot more of that,

    我們需要更多這類的事物

  • and a lot less abstract stuff.

    少點抽象事物

  • (Applause)

    鼓掌

  • CA: When we were talking on the phone, one of the things you said that

    克利斯安得森:當我們通電話時

  • really astonished me was you said one thing

    你所說的一件事 很令我震撼

  • you were passionate about was server farms. Tell me about that.

    就是你說你對伺服器農場很有熱情 談一談這個吧

  • TG: Well the reason why I got really excited when I read about that,

    天寶葛蘭汀:最主要的原因是當我聽到

  • it contains knowledge.

    它儲存知識

  • It's libraries.

    我就很興奮 它是圖書館

  • And to me, knowledge is something

    對我而言 知識是

  • that is extremely valuable. So, maybe, over 10 years ago

    極端的具有價值 約10年前

  • now our library got flooded.

    我們的圖書館淹水

  • And this is before the Internet got really big.

    這是在網路變得很普及前

  • And I was really upset about all the books being wrecked,

    我很氣所有的書因此毀了

  • because it was knowledge being destroyed.

    因為那是知識被摧毀

  • And server farms, or data centers

    而伺服器農場或資訊中心

  • are great libraries of knowledge.

    是很好的知識圖書館

  • CA: Temple, can I just say it's an absolute delight to have you at TED.

    克利斯安得森: 天寶 真的很高興能邀你來TED

  • TG: Well thank you so much. Thank you.

    天寶葛蘭汀:謝謝你 謝謝各位

  • (Applause)

    鼓掌

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