Name: 照顧者也能更健康嗎？| 追逐人生 (Can caregiving make you healthier? | Chasing Life)
Uploaded: 2026-03-06T16:39:34.000Z
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Today we're going to be talking about caregiving, and I think this is such an important topic.

今天我們要來聊聊照護，我覺得這是一個非常重要的主題。

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The idea that caregiving is often seen as something that is difficult, that it is thankless.

照護常常被認為是一件很辛苦、吃力不討好的事。

It is something that drains our time, our energy, and even our health.

它會耗盡我們寶貴的時間、精力，甚至影響我們的健康。

We think of it as an obligation more so than an opportunity.

我們覺得它比較像是一種義務，而不是一個機會。

What if caregiving doesn't just take from us, but what if it gives something back as well?

如果照護不只是付出，它也能回饋給我們呢？

she's the author of when youn Care the Unexpected Magic of Caring for Others.

也是《When You Care: The Unexpected Magic of Caring for Others》這本書的作者。

And I just want to tell you I've been reading Alyssa's work for a long time.

而且我想告訴大家，我關注 Alyssa 的作品很久了。

I read her work even as I was raising my own kids.

在我自己養育孩子的同時，我就在讀她的文章。

it's not dogmatic, but it is very practical in terms of the tips that she provides.

而且這些建議不是教條式的，而是非常實用的。

But I also think there's a larger issue that we're going to hit on today, and

但我認為今天還會探討一個更大的議題，

that is this idea that it feels good to do good.

那就是「做好事讓人感覺很好」這個想法。

It feels good to do good for someone else.

為別人做好事，感覺真的很棒。

Alyssa's work has really reframed the way that I think about caregiving, not just as something we endure, but

Alyssa 的作品真的重塑了我對照護的看法，不只是我們忍受的事情，

something that shapes us, that can help us psychologically grow.

而是能塑造我們、幫助我們在心理上成長的事物。

So today, the magic of caring for others.

所以今天，我們要來聊聊照護他人的神奇之處。

I'm Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN's chief medical correspondent.

我是 CNN 的首席醫務記者 Sanjay Gupta 醫師。

How did you start writing about and thinking about caregiving?

妳是怎麼開始寫作並思考照護這件事的？

Yeah, it really came through the lens of feminism.

是的，這真的完全是從女性主義的角度來看的。

I think for me, when I became a mom, the kind of first wave of ideas that I needed to sort through was how to protect myself from motherh.

我想對我來說，在我成為母親之後，我需要釐清的第一波想法是，如何保護自己不受母職的影響。

我對生小孩這件事並沒有矛盾的感覺。

我在一個溫馨熱鬧的大家庭長大。

But I was very concerned that I would tip too far into the identity of mom and never get out.

但我非常擔心我會過度沉溺於母親這個身份，然後就再也走不出來了。

And I think the big surprise for me was that I ended up finding motherhood intellectually, philosophically, spiritually more demanding and more meaningful than anticipated.

我想對我來說，最大的驚喜是，我發現母職在知識上、哲學上、精神上比預期的更具挑戰性，也更有意義。

The book is called when you the Unexpected Magic of Caring for Others.

這本書叫做「當你：照顧他人的意外魔法」。

You identify as a mom, but not solely as a mom.

妳認同自己是母親，但不僅僅是母親。

Yeah, I think that for me, I realized, you know, I came into it with the work life balance kind of construct in my head.

是的，我想對我來說，我意識到，你知道，我腦子裡帶著工作與生活平衡的框架進來的。

然後我開始覺得這一切都很傻。

Like, I bring what I learn from parenting my kids into all my relationships.

像是，我把從教養孩子學到的東西帶進我所有的人際關係裡。

I want to clarify when I talk about care, there's lots of different types of care.

我想釐清一下，當我說到「照護」時，照護有很多不同的類型。

There's collective care, the kind of community, neighborly care.

有集體照護，那種社區、鄰裡照護。

I am focused on ongoing dependency relationships.

Sometimes I joke and say the Hotel California of care relationships, you can check in, but

有時候我開玩笑說，照護關係就像「加州旅館」，你可以入住，

These are the care relationships that are ongoing.

Someone depends on you to survive, hopefully thrive.

有人依賴你生存，希望也能蓬勃發展。

All those care relationships have taught me so much about life and who I am.

所有這些照護關係都教會了我很多關於生活以及我是誰。

Like the truest mirror to the self that frankly I've ever experienced.

就像我經歷過最真實的自我映照。

And I bring that quote, unquote, just a mom stuff into.

然後我把這些，引號裡的，所謂的「媽媽的事」帶進來。

I bring it into my writing, I bring it into my friendships.

我把它們帶進我的寫作，帶進我的友誼裡。

There's really not a separation between my care self and all my other selves.

我的照護者自我和其他的自我之間，真的沒有什麼區隔。

You have this section in the book where you talk about Darwin and it's interesting because I think a lot of people sort of this idea, survival of the fittest, which is not a term that he actually used, interestingly enough, but

書裡有段提到達爾文，很有趣，因為我認為很多人對「適者生存」這個概念，這其實不是他用過的詞，有趣的是，

I think the directional sort of nature of what he was saying was there.

我認為他所說的方向性是存在的。

And we come to learn that societies survive and thrive not because of rugged individualism, but

我們學到社會的生存和發展，不是因為堅韌的個人主義，而是

because of this concept of reciprocal altruism.

And I've always been struck by this, you know, that it feels good to do good.

而且我一直對這件事很驚訝，你知道的，做好事感覺很好。

That seems to be at odds with the idea of rugged individualism or survival of the fittest.

這似乎與堅韌的個人主義或適者生存的概念有點衝突。

Darwin was very invested in the parental instinct and really thought that there was a deep connection between parental instincts and our ability to sympathize.

達爾文非常重視親代本能，並且認為親代本能與我們同情的能力之間有著深刻的聯繫。

那在當時是個比較常見的說法。

Today, we might call it empathize, but just basically our concern for others.

現在，我們可能會稱之為同理心，但基本上就是我們對他人的關心。

And he saw cooperation as equally important as competition for survival of the species.

他認為合作對物種生存的重要性與競爭不相上下。

But that's not the message that took off in our broader culture.

但這不是在我們主流文化中傳播開來的訊息。

People co opt these terms for their own purposes, you know, and

人們會為了自己的目的挪用這些詞，你知道的，然後

There's a story about Darwin, right, that you write about in the book.

有個關於達爾文的故事，對吧，書裡有寫。

所以他經歷了一場巨大的悲劇。

His favorite daughter, this is his phrase, not mine, died at age 10.

他最疼愛的女兒，這是他的說法，不是我的，在 10 歲時過世了。

Now to, you know, we believe was probably from tuberculosis.

現在，你知道的，我們認為那大概是肺結核。

And he couldn't figure out how that fit into his thinking about evolution.

他無法理解這如何融入他對演化的思考。

Like what was the evolutionary utility of mourning someone decades after they're gone.

像是為何要為一個已經離開幾十年的人哀悼，這有什麼演化上的功用。

And that's really where he came to realize that, like this, this parental urge to love and care, it's where we get our ability to get along and survive together, which is absolutely right, like a through line through human history, that we are not just competitive species, we're cooperative species.

這也是他真正意識到的地方，像是這種愛與照護的為人父母的衝動，是我們獲得相處和共同生存能力的來源，這絕對是正確的，貫穿人類歷史的一條主線，我們不只是競爭的物種，我們也是合作的物種。

And it came from this deeply personal tragedy.

而這一切都源於這場非常個人的悲劇。

You know, I wrote this book about brain health a few years ago and one of the big topics that came up was dementia.

幾年前我寫了一本關於腦健康的新書，其中一個大重點就是失智症。

And if you look at basically uncompensated, frankly, unrecognized caregiving, so much of it is happening in that dementia space.

如果你看看那些未受償、坦白說，未被認可的照護工作，很多都發生在失智症的領域。

And it's spouses, it's children, you know, whoever it may.

這包括配偶、子女，你知道，任何親近的人。

And that was, you know, it was quite striking.

I didn't expect to write that much about that topic when I started the book.

我沒想到寫這本書時，會花這麼多篇幅談論這個主題。

But after talking to so many patients, it was always something that came up in every conversation, that aspect of it.

但在跟許多病患聊過之後，這總是在每次對話中都會被提及的部分。

And I think the general tendency, Alyssa, is to think of that as, again, not just being an obligation, but

我想，普遍的傾向是，Alyssa，會認為這不僅僅是一種義務，

But in your book, in some ways, you argue the opposite.

但在你的書裡，你卻在某些方面提出了相反的論點。

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