Name: 為什麼「辦公室伴侶」是你的祕密武器？ | 訂婚派對 (Why Work Spouses Can Be a Secret Weapon | Engagement Party)
Uploaded: 2026-03-05T16:35:37.000Z
Duration: 26 min 22 s

情態助動詞 A2

我可以問一個比較有爭議的問題嗎？

How do you define work wife, work husband, work spouse?

你們怎麼定義 work wife、work husband、work spouse 呢？

Which my own husband hadn't figured out yet.

這連我自己的老公都還沒發現。

And I've got another special episode of the Assignment for you.

這集 Assignment 又有特別內容要帶給大家。

I was at the podcast festival known as On Air Fest that was in Brooklyn just last week.

我上禮拜才在布魯克林參加了叫做 On Air Fest 的播客節。

And for this, I knew I wanted to bring along a friend because we're going to talk about work spouses.

這次我早就知道要找個朋友一起來，因為我們要聊聊 work spouse。

And mine for a very long time was Ari Shapiro of npr.

而我長久以來的 work spouse 就是 npr 的 Ari Shapiro。

So we talk about our careers, media, of course, what makes for a good work spouse.

我們聊了職業生涯、媒體，當然還有什麼樣的人適合當 work spouse。

It was a fun conversation, so stick with us.

這是一段有趣的對話，請繼續鎖定。

Adi Cornish and Ari Shapiro, come on out.

Adi Cornish 和 Ari Shapiro，請出來。

Back in January, I asked Ari to come on the Assignment because, honestly, January was a lot, y'.

一月的時候，我請 Ari 上 Assignment，因為說實話，一月真的太忙了。

I needed somebody that I could have a conversation with about the stories I was missing, right?

我需要一個人跟我聊聊我錯過的那些故事，對吧？

These, like, cultural stories that I wanted to talk about.

And we had a reference point because for all the years that Audie and I were All Things Considered hosts together, you heard us on the radio being very serious.

我們有個參考點，因為 Audie 和我一起擔任 All Things Considered 主持人的那些年，你們在廣播裡聽到我們都很認真。

And during the eight minute segment about Syria, when our mics are off, we would cackle about the latest thing that we had found on Reddit or on Instagram or whatever was bubbling up in the culture.

在講述敘利亞的八分鐘節目中，當麥克風關閉時，我們會對我們在 Reddit 或 Instagram 上發現的最新消息，或是文化上正在發酵的任何事情哈哈大笑。

And we never really got to laugh like that with each other and finish each other's sentences on the radio in quite that way.

在廣播裡，我們從來沒有真正這樣開心地聊過，也沒有辦法像那樣接話。

So that was kind of the goal of the engagement party.

所以 engagement party 大致就是這個目標。

I don't think it's gonna work out the way you like.

我覺得這不會照你喜歡的方式進行。

So the reason why I wanted to talk to Ari here at on airfest is because, first of all, I've been here a couple times, and

所以我之所以想在 on airfest 上找 Ari 來聊，是因為，首先，我來過這裡幾次了，而且

And second, I think that he's just exited from NPR just a few months ago.

其次，我覺得他幾個月前才剛離開 NPR。

Which, as it turns out, in cable news time is actually 25 years.

結果發現，在有線電視新聞的時間尺度上，這其實是 25 年。

And so we wanted to talk about this kind of what it means to pivot and what it means to, like, collaborate.

所以我們想聊聊這種轉變的意義，以及合作的意義。

I think the moment we are in is so overwhelmingly defined by transformation, and

我覺得我們現在這個時刻，被轉型定義得太徹底了，

yet, when I look back at our career in journalism, I think this era of journalism has been For a few decades.

然而，回顧我在媒體的職業生涯，我覺得這個媒體時代已經持續了幾十年。

And I have to say, I think I'm looking a bit more Andersonian, distinguished.

我必須說，我覺得我看起來更像 Anderson，更有氣質了。

The thing is, when you were at a place like npr, and

問題是，當你在 npr 這樣的地方，

this is related, there was a little bit of cosplaying as the previous generation of anchors.

這也跟這個有關，有點像在扮演上一代的節目主持人。

Trying to sound like Robert Siegel or something like that, trying to sound like Susan Stamberg.

試著聽起來像 Robert Siegel 或 Susan Stamberg 那樣。

I was mentored by Robert Siegel against his will.

Robert Siegel 不情願地指導了我。

And it really meant that you were constantly.

Instead of trying to be yourself, which that generation got to do when they started in the 70s, we were trying to be them, which is why we weren't cracking those jokes on air.

而不是試著做自己，那一代人在 70 年代剛開始時可以這樣做，我們卻試著模仿他們，這也是為什麼我們在節目上不敢開玩笑。

I left before you, but you were there long enough to become the distinguished host.

我先走了，但你在那邊待了夠久，成了備受尊敬的主持人。

I saw over the years that I was at npr, both NPR and the media landscape more broadly transform into a place where, first, there were fewer barriers to entry, and

我這些年觀察到，在我待在 npr 的時候，不論是 NPR 還是整個媒體環境，都轉變成一個地方，首先是進入門檻變低了，

second, as a result, there were more voices in the mix.

然後，結果就是，有更多不同的聲音加入了。

I remember the moment that Robert Krulwich and Jad Abumrab created Radiolab.

我還記得 Robert Krulwich 和 Jad Abumrab 創造 Radiolab 的那個時刻。

And it was like, oh, that's a different way to sound, doing audio storytelling.

那時候就覺得，哇，用聲音說故事有不一樣的呈現方式。

And then that was the different way to sound.

然後那也確實是不同的聲音呈現方式。

Until one day, a thousand different voices popped up, each one attracting different audiences, each one, Each one inventing different ways to sound.

直到有一天，出現了上千種不同的聲音，每一種都吸引著不同的聽眾，每一種都在發明不同的聲音呈現方式。

And as somebody who was in the kind of ivory tower of npr, I feel like that gave me a little more freedom.

而我身為 npr 這個象牙塔裡的一份子，我覺得這給了我更多的自由。

And I wonder whether you felt this way, too.

To be myself and to sound less like what I thought an NPR host should sound like and more just sound like Ari Shapiro, whatever that might mean.

讓我能做自己，聽起來不像我以為的 NPR 主持人，而是更像 Ari Shapiro，不管那代表什麼。

I felt the restrictions of it more acutely because I was looking around and being like, guys, there's like a tsunami out there of content and people and talent, and

我更敏銳地感受到它的限制，因為我環顧四周，心想，嘿，外面有大量的內容、人才和創作者，

And it's interesting because now that I'm in television, I'm in a way watching the same thing happen.

這很有趣，因為現在我進入電視圈，某種程度上也在看著同樣的事情發生。

Well, back during NPR days, people would be like, podcast, who listens to that?

嗯，在 NPR 的時候，大家都會說，播客，誰會聽啊？

And it was like, that's not ever going to be as big as what we do.

然後就會覺得，那絕對不可能像我們做的一樣紅。

現在看電視，也是一樣的情況。

And then I go on and like a 12 year old has a podcast, Right?

然後我就看到，一個 12 歲的小孩在做播客，對吧？

And I'm like, I think you guys need to, like, think about this a little differently.

然後我就想，你們可能需要換個角度來思考這件事。

So in a way, I feel there's a little bit of a back to the future.

所以某種程度上，我覺得有點像是回到未來。

I started making journalism before social media existed.

我開始做新聞採訪，那時候社群媒體都還沒出現。

But I remember a moment when I was in coastal Turkey covering the Syrian refugee crisis.

但我記得有一次，我在土耳其沿海採訪敘利亞難民危機的時候。

At this point in my life, I was a foreign correspondent.

那時候我的人生階段，我是一名外派記者。

London was my home base, but I traveled the world.

倫敦是我的基地，但我會去世界各地採訪。

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