Name: 政壇震撼彈！川普宣稱北約部隊避開前線，政壇人物如何回應？ | BBC Question Time (Politicians react as Trump claims Nato troops avoided front lines | BBC Question Time)
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Duration: 13 min 59 s

How dare he say we weren't on the front line?

Why are we still fostering a special relationship with Donald Trump in the US when his recent actions prove that he can't be trusted?

為什麼我們還要跟美國的唐納·川普維持特殊關係，當他最近的行為證明他不可信任？

It's been pretty lively this week, hasn't it, with Donald Trump?

這週真是熱鬧，不是嗎？跟唐納·川普有關。

Greg, I'm going to come to you first because I think you probably have a greater understanding or certainly sympathy with Donald Trump's position.

Greg，我先來問你，因為我覺得你可能對唐納·川普的立場比較理解，或者至少比較同情。

You know, we've had a week where he's threatened to take over Greenland, he's threatened to impose tariffs, he's insulted NATO allies.

你知道，這週他威脅要接管格陵蘭，威脅要課徵關稅，還侮辱了北約盟友。

I just want to tell you about something he's also said this evening about NATO allies.

我只想跟你說說他今晚也說了關於北約盟友的一件事。

In an interview with Fox News, he talked about NATO not coming to help the United States if it needed them.

在接受 Fox News 採訪時，他談到北約在美國需要時不會來幫忙。

他說，我們從來就不需要他們。

They say they sent some troops to Afghanistan and this or that, and they did.

他們說他們派了一些軍隊去阿富汗，做了這做那，他們確實做了。

They stayed a little back, a little off the front lines.

他們稍微退後一點，離前線有點距離。

And look, the president is very unfiltered and often doesn't have his facts perfectly lined up.

你看，這位總統非常直言不諱，而且常常事實整理得不太清楚。

We all know that not only was the UK Fighting alongside of us in both of those wars, but

我們都知道，英國不只在兩場戰爭中和我們並肩作戰，

And so, in fact, the percentage of casualties for Denmark was as high as the United States.

事實上，丹麥的傷亡比例跟美國一樣高。

所以，你看，這確實是個錯誤。

But to the question, of course he can be trusted.

但回到問題，當然可以相信他。

I think the president wants a stronger NATO and in many respects alongside the Russia, Ukraine, Ukraine conflict that I think inspired the Europeans to step it up.

我認為總統想要一個更強大的北約，而且在很多方面，隨著俄烏衝突，我認為這激勵了歐洲國家加強。

It's just that President Obama wasn't able to get any reaction and, and

只是歐巴馬總統沒能得到任何回應，而且

encourage the Europeans to step up defense spending.

And the president's been successful with that.

I mean, you have Denmark, for example, at 3%.

我的意思是，你看看丹麥，例如，是 3%。

所以你可能不喜歡他的表達方式。

You might not like how he, he behaves or how he gets, you know, how he makes the argument.

你可能不喜歡他的行為舉止，或者他如何、你知道的，他如何提出論點。

And so in this case, you know, obviously a mistake on the reference to Afghanistan and Iraq, but

所以這方面，你知道的，顯然在提到阿富汗和伊拉克時犯了錯，但是

the outcome is that we'll have a stronger NATO, whether that's because we have more defense mechanisms in Greenland or you have all the countries in NATO, all the European countries committing to 5% of GDP.

結果是我們會擁有一個更強大的北約，無論是因為我們在格陵蘭擁有更多的國防機制，還是因為北約所有國家、所有歐洲國家都承諾將國防開支提高到 GDP 的 5%。

Whether they get there is a different argument.

他們是否能達成這個目標是另一回事。

Emily, what do you make of that comment by Donald Trump?

Emily，你怎麼看川普的這番話？

It's an insult to 457 families who lost someone in Afghanistan.

這是在侮辱阿富汗那些失去親人的 457 個家庭。

How dare he say we weren't on the front line.

Whenever the Americans have wanted us, we have always been there.

只要美國人需要我們，我們就一直都在。

I went out to the United States at the beginning of the year and I had.

I had supper with a lot of Republicans who, to be quite honest, I didn't exactly expect to get on with and have a great deal to do with.

和許多共和黨人共進晚餐，說實話，我沒想到會跟他們相處得來，而且有這麼多交集。

But the one thing that was clearly there, there was a genuine affection for the United Kingdom because they understood they were all milit military men and they knew that whenever they had been fighting, they had been fighting alongside someone from Britain who had been there to support the United States and be involved in action with the United States.

但很明顯的是，他們對英國有真摯的情感，因為他們明白他們都是軍人，他們知道每當他們在戰鬥時，他們身邊都有英國人，他們在那裡支持美國，並與美國一起參與行動。

How dare this man, who's never seen any action, who somehow or other, when there was a draft for everybody else in the United States, managed to avoid it, and

他怎麼敢說這種話，他從來沒有上過戰場，而且，當美國其他人都要服兵役時，他卻設法逃避了，

yet now is Commander in Chief and knows nothing about how it is that America has been defended.

但現在他卻是三軍統帥，卻對美國如何被保衛一無所知。

I mean, seriously, it's an absolute insult.

我說，說真的，這簡直是侮辱。

我們經歷了非常令人震驚的幾天。

We've had a very shocking few days where we have had the leader of Britain's most important ally, you know, with whom we do have a close relationship in terms of defence, in terms of security, strong economic relationship, cultural, historic, you know, America's our friends, but

我們經歷了非常令人震驚的幾天，我們的大英帝國最重要的盟友領導人，你知道，我們在國防、安全、強勁的經濟關係、文化、歷史方面與他關係密切，你知道，美國是我們的朋友，但是

we have had a leader of that country who has behaved in a way which is.

這個國家的領導人卻表現得像。

Which is bullying, which is rude, which has been deliberately trying to undermine us, which has been trying to undermine NATO.

就像霸凌一樣，就像粗魯一樣，就像故意想破壞我們一樣，就像想破壞北約一樣。

I'm really proud that we have, is we have stood, we have linked arms with our other friends and nations and we have said no.

我真的為我們所做的感到驕傲，我們團結一致，與我們的盟友和國家緊密合作，我們說了「不」。

You are not going to be involved in military action.

You are not going to breach international law.

Yeah, I'm not sure that he will react to those threats or whatever you want to describe them as.

嗯，我不確定他會不會對那些威脅，或你想怎麼形容它們，做出反應。

Okay, but do you think NATO will be stronger because of Donald Trump?

好的，但你認為北約會因為唐納·川普而變得更強大嗎？

I don't think that NATO is being Stronger because I think the idea of the most important member of NATO saying that it's going to take on NATO and it's going to invade one of the NATO countries undermines us.

我不認為北約正在變得更強大，因為我認為北約最重要的成員說要對付北約，要入侵一個北約國家，這會削弱我們。

Now we've pulled it back from the brink, thank goodness.

謝天謝地，我們現在已經從懸崖邊拉了回來。

And actually, what, what I'm most, most pleased about is that it, at least it helps Ukraine, because what we don't want is NATO splintering because it does not help a country like Ukraine for NATO at a moment like this to be splintered in this way.

而且實際上，我最、最開心的就是，至少這對烏克蘭有幫助，因為我們不希望北約分裂，因為像烏克蘭這樣的國家，在這種時候北約分裂對他們沒有幫助。

But, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to pretend that there is that Donald Trump has done anything other than behave in a thoroughly reckless way.

但是，你知道，我不會假裝唐納·川普除了表現得極度魯莽之外，還做了任何其他事情。

So you don't think NATO will be stronger at the end of the.

所以你不認為北約在年底會更強大。

I was talking to the German ambassador yesterday, and

I said at least one thing that comes out of this is that it helps the smaller nations of NATO to remember that we need to stick together and we need to take more responsibility.

我說至少有一件事是，這有助於北約的小國記住我們需要團結一致，我們需要承擔更多責任。

Let's hear from the man in the dark blue sweater with a white shirt then.

我們來聽聽那位穿著深藍色毛衣、白色襯衫的先生。

I'm very disappointed to hear that Donald Trump said that about people like myself who served in Iraq.

我聽到唐納·川普說那些關於像我這樣在伊拉克服役的人的話，我感到非常失望。

And so this, this idea that, well, he talked about Afghanistan, actually

所以，這個想法，嗯，他談到了阿富汗，實際上

but the idea that British troops were holding back from the front line, I can promise you I was very close to that front line.

但英國軍隊在前線退縮的想法，我向你保證，我離那前線非常近。

I crossed over the border on the first day of the war and I saw things I don't want to see ever again.

戰爭第一天我就越過了邊境，我看到了我再也不想看到的景象。

I think Mr. Trump has just upset all veterans now.

我認為川普現在惹惱了所有退伍軍人。

Yes, man here in the front, in the middle.

是的，前面這位男士，中間的。

Trump is wrong about this, but he's not wrong about NATO underspend.

川普在這件事上錯了，但他關於北約支出不足的說法並沒有錯。

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