Name: 是什麼讓奈傑爾·威爾遜爵士登上金絲雀碼頭的頂尖職位？好奇心驅動他！ (How Curiosity Propelled Sir Nigel Wilson to Canary Wharf’s Top Job)
Uploaded: 2026-01-06T08:21:45.000Z
Duration: 41 min 3 s

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We all have to make big decisions in our lives, decisions that define and influence our professional and personal journeys.

我們人生中都會面臨重大的決定，這些決定定義並影響著我們的職涯和個人旅程。

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If you reflect on them, some are good and some I'm sure you'll definitely regret.

如果你回顧這些決定，有些是好的，有些我確定你一定會後悔。

In my nearly three decades as a financial journalist, I've interviewed literally thousands of CEOs, politicians and market voices and they all had to make decisions to get to where they are today.

在我近三十年的財經記者生涯中，我採訪過數千位執行長、政治人物和市場意見領袖，他們都必須做出決定才能走到今天這個位置。

In this podcast, I hear about those choices as well as the moments, moments of doubt, risk and conviction that impacted our guests journeys and the people they lead.

在這個播客中，我將聽取他們做出的選擇，以及那些影響了我們嘉賓旅程和他們所領導團隊的、充滿疑慮、風險和信念的時刻。

This is Executive Decisions with me, Steve Sedgwick.

這是《執行長決策》，由我 Steve Sedgwick 主持。

In this episode, I speak to Sir Nigel Wilson.

本集節目，我將與奈傑爾·威爾遜爵士對談。

The world should be a wonderful place because there's tons of opportunities to do great things out there.

世界本應是一個美好的地方，因為外面有太多做大事的機會了。

We're just not doing enough of those great things right now.

我們現在就是沒有足夠地去做這些偉大的事情。

But the opportunity sets there to do it and really make a difference.

但機會就在那裡，可以去做，並且真正地做出改變。

Nigel was the CEO of UK financial services giant Legal and General for more than 10 years before becoming chairman of the Canary Wharf Group in 2024.

奈傑爾在英國金融服務巨頭保誠集團擔任執行長超過十年，隨後於 2024 年成為金絲雀碼頭集團的主席。

But his journey to becoming one of the UK's most successful business leaders had humble beginnings on a council state in the northeast of England.

但這位英國最成功的企業領袖之一，其職涯卻是從英格蘭東北部一個公共住宅區的卑微開端開始。

Getting a place to study at a prestigious American university helped change that course.

獲得進入美國頂尖大學就讀的機會，改變了他的人生軌跡。

When the Kennedy Scholarship came through, my dad went over to the pub with me and said, I just want to tell you all, my son has just got into the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

當甘迺迪獎學金下來時，我爸爸帶我到酒吧，他說，我想告訴大家，我的兒子剛考上麻省理工學院。

And the people in the pub went, but there's a tech at Darlington.

酒吧裡的人們說，但達靈頓有間科技大學啊。

He tells me it was his intellectual curiosity, a drive to tackle complex industry challenges, that led him from one company to the next.

他告訴我，是他的求知慾，以及解決複雜產業挑戰的動力，讓他從一家公司轉到另一家公司。

Each move shaped his philosophy on leadership.

每一次的轉變都形塑了他對領導的哲學。

One of the weaknesses, and I still think it's a weakness in pretty much every business, and certainly every business I've worked for, is people are really good at writing lessons, learned reports.

一個弱點，我至今認為幾乎所有企業都有這個弱點，當然也包括我曾任職過的每間企業，就是大家都很擅長撰寫經驗教訓報告。

They're not so good at learning the lessons.

These are Sir Nigel Wilson's executive decisions.

這些是奈傑爾·威爾遜爵士的執行長決策。

Born in Norwich, moved up to Darlington, lived on a council estate.

出生於諾裡奇，搬到達靈頓，住在公共住宅區。

Big loving family with your mother, your father, your grandmother.

有一個充滿愛的大家庭，有你的媽媽、爸爸、奶奶。

But you tell me a little bit more about where Nigel Wilson comes from.

但你能不能多告訴我一點，奈傑爾·威爾遜是從哪裡來的？

Yeah, I grew up on a. I was very lucky because I grew up on a modern council estate where modern schools had been built.

是的，我住在一處。我很幸運，因為我住在一處現代化的公共住宅區，那裡蓋了現代化的學校。

And so we had young teachers who were totally enthusiastic and enjoyed the intellectual curiosity I had.

所以我們有年輕的老師，他們充滿熱情，也很享受我的求知慾。

So they were, you know, quite tolerant of some of my idiosyncrasies, which stayed with me till today.

所以，你知道，他們對我的一些怪癖相當寬容，這些怪癖一直伴隨著我直到今天。

But they gave me a lot of good advice and taught me incredibly well, in all, all parts of life, you know, sporting wise, academic wise and real values from a society point of view.

但他們給了我很多好建議，並且在各方面都教了我很多，你知道，運動方面、學術方面，以及從社會觀點來看的真正價值觀。

我覺得我很幸運能擁有這一切。

And then I went to the local grammar school, which was exactly the same, a brand new grammar school with amazing young teachers who were totally enthusiastic, you know, till his dying day.

然後我去了當地的文法學校，那裡也一樣，是一所全新的文法學校，有著令人驚豔的年輕老師，他們充滿熱情，你知道，直到他臨終前都是如此。

My history teacher still tells funny stories about me being in class when I was asking, you know, questions and having contrarian views about stuff.

我的歷史老師至今仍會講述我上課時的趣事，那時我總是在問問題，並且對事物抱持著反對的觀點。

I had an intellectual curiosity which was, which was through my, my family, my wider family, because I had lots of people looking after me when I grew up, because I was the first, first child, first grandchild, first great grandchild and so lots of people gave me care and attention and indulged me to a certain extent.

我有著求知慾，這源自我的家人、我的大家庭，因為我成長過程中有很多親戚照顧我，我是第一個孩子、第一個孫子、第一個曾孫，所以很多人給我關愛和關注，並且在某種程度上縱容我。

And how important was a loving big family in evolving who you became?

一個充滿愛的大家庭，在形塑你成為今天的你，這有多重要？

It still is today, you know, I still have a lot of responsibility as the person who looks after the whole of the family, tries to make sure everyone's good, not just mentally and physically, but financially as well.

這到現在依然是，你知道，我仍然肩負重任，負責照顧整個家庭，努力確保每個人都好，不僅是心理和身體上，還有財務上。

And I learned a lot from my parents, grandparents and great grandparents about the need to do that and keep the family together and keep everyone happy and jolly and trying to solve family problems, which can be very time consuming and illogical and irrational and emotive and all of those things.

我從我的父母、祖父母和曾祖父母那裡學到很多，關於需要這樣做，讓家庭保持團結，讓每個人都開心快樂，並試圖解決家庭問題，這可能非常耗時、不合邏輯、不理性、充滿情感，以及所有這些。

But, but it's very interesting and I'm going to draw very heavily on a speech that was made about you at Newcastle University last year because there's some amazing stuff and your nan's advice was to be kind, optimistic and forgiving as well.

但是，但是這非常有趣，我將大量引用去年在紐卡索大學為你所做的演講，因為其中有一些很棒的內容，而你奶奶的建議是，要善良、樂觀，並且寬容。

Yeah, I think that's brilliant advice for a start.

是的，我認為這是一個很棒的開端建議。

B, if it is accurate, how much has that formed the basis of some of the ways you've made decisions over your life?

B，如果準確的話，這在多大程度上構成了你一生中做決策方式的基礎？

No, I think the first two are absolutely accurate.

I found the forgiving bit more difficult when I was younger.

我發現年輕時，寬恕這點比較難做到。

As you get older, you realize that's the wisdom that you get from age.

隨著年齡增長，你會意識到這是從年齡中獲得的智慧。

And people have to learn to be forgiving and tolerant and that's probably what's lacking in society at the moment.

人們必須學會寬容和忍耐，這可能也是目前社會上所缺乏的。

And if things go wrong, be forgiving about it, you know, don't shout and rage at people because when things do go wrong, people themselves often feel terrible about them.

如果事情出了錯，就寬容對待吧，你知道，不要對人們大喊大叫、發脾氣，因為當事情真的出了錯時，人們自己通常會對此感到非常糟糕。

And picking up management teams when things go wrong has to be one of the key things you do, and shouting and yelling at them isn't the solution.

當事情出錯時，挑選管理團隊是你必須做的一件關鍵事情，對他們大喊大叫並不是解決辦法。

Were you a shouter and yellow, I think, when I was a young man, for instance.

你以前會對人又吼又叫嗎？我想，以我自己為例，年輕時我會。

Well, for a start, I was, I was A trader.

So I was shouting and yelling a lot, but I, I, I think my colleagues might disagree, but I think I've mellowed a lot over the last couple of years.

所以那時候我經常大吼大叫，但我認為我的同事們可能不同意，但我自己覺得這幾年我已經溫和很多了。

I've never been a shouter, you know, even when I captained football.

我從來都不是個愛吼叫的人，你知道，即使我以前是足球隊隊長。

I've never been much of a shouter, even on the football pitch, you know, when I was captain of a few of the teams I played for, it was the, you know, real role to really encourage, encourage people all of the time.

我從來都不是個愛吼叫的人，即使是在足球場上，你知道，當我擔任我踢過的一些球隊的隊長時，我的角色就是不斷地鼓勵大家。

And some people think shouting has a big impact and, you know, I'm a group believer as well in the theater of management.

有些人認為大吼大叫有很大的影響，你知道，我個人也相信管理中的「戲劇性」。

But actually shouting, you know, rarely works and it's not a tool that I consider as being part of my toolbox to achieve good outcomes on a soccer pitch.

但實際上大吼大叫，你知道，很少有效，而且我認為它不是我工具箱裡用來在足球場上取得好成績的工具之一。

You were called small, fast and a little cocky.

你被稱為個子小、速度快，還有點傲慢。

Yeah, not good enough to be in Newcastle number nine, but still pretty good as well.

對，雖然不夠格當紐卡索的九號球員，但還是很不錯。

Has that been a little bit of who Nigel Wilson is off the pitch throughout life?

這是不是奈傑爾·威爾遜爵士在場外的人生寫照呢？

And unlucky, in a sense, is that when all the scouts are watching me.

某種意義上也是運氣不好，因為當時所有球探都在看我。

When I was, you know, I was 16 and 17, I was five foot one tall and weighed about, you know, five and a half, six stone and really just got kicked every game.

那時候，我大概十六、十七歲，身高五呎一吋，體重大概五塊半到六英石，每場比賽都被踢。

And I remember I was playing semi pro football up in the northeast and after about 10 or 15 minutes I went over to the referee.

我記得當時我在東北部踢半職業足球，大概十分鐘或十五分鐘後，我走向裁判。

At the time I had long curly hair and I was wearing a pair of gloves, so I was tiny and I went, ref, ref, ref.

那時候我留著一頭長捲髮，還戴著手套，所以我看起來很嬌小，我跟裁判說，裁判、裁判、裁判。

You know, somebody's, you know, savage, kick, kick, kick, and fell on me.

有人，你知道，野蠻地踢、踢、踢，然後倒在我身上。

Somebody spat at me and somebody's punched me in the nuts.

有人朝我吐口水，還有人打我的下體。

我跟裁判說，裁判，你要保護我。

他說，孩子，這是男人玩的遊戲。

And at the end of the game, a couple of the old pros came over to me and said, look, this is going to happen to you the rest of your life every week.

比賽結束時，有幾個老職業球員過來跟我說，聽著，你這輩子每週都會遇到這種事。

They're just going to kick and kick and kick because they hate the fact that you're quick and they can't tackle you and you whiz by and they're just going to foul you all the time.

他們就是會一直踢、一直踢、一直踢，因為他們討厭你速度快，他們抓不到你，你從他們身邊閃過，他們就會一直犯規。

So you're a clever lad, go to university.

所以你這聰明的小夥子，去讀大學吧。

But is that a metaphor for life and kind of toughened you up a little bit in business, the way you were treated on a soccer pitch?

但這是不是人生的隱喻，而且你在商場上被這樣對待，就像在足球場上一樣，讓你變得更堅強了一點？

Yeah, I learned to be tough and then I grew 10 inches.

是的，我學會變得堅強，然後我長高了十英吋。

And so when football clubs came and had a look at me again, by that time I'd gone.

所以當足球隊再次來看我時，那時候我已經走了。

I'd moved into academia by that time and I really wanted to be a very successful academic.

那時候我已經進入學術界了，而且我真的很想成為一個非常成功的學者。

And I realized that lots of things had a different lifestyle and lots of people who had been amazing at 14, 15, 16 didn't make it as professional players, and very few got through to doing it.

我意識到很多事情的生活方式不同，而且很多在 14、15、16 歲時很厲害的人，並沒有成為職業球員，而且很少人能做到。

So even if it's your dream, it doesn't naturally, naturally happen.

所以即使這是你的夢想，它也不會自然而然地發生。

And the probability of success in academia was way higher than.

Yeah, for me, I say all the time to be pretty good at sports.

對，我一直說，在運動方面表現好。

不是非常優秀，而是相當不錯。

Oh, the thing is, I looked at it the other way around.

喔，問題是，我從另一個角度來看。

The fact that actually I didn't go and sign up for a football club and spend year after year after year trying to get through, not, not make it at something to try and be the best version that I can.

事實上，我沒有去註冊足球隊，年復一年地努力，卻沒有成功，而是盡力成為最好的自己。

When I was young, I tried the best I could, but I just wasn't quite good enough.

我年輕的時候，盡力而為，但就是差那麼一點點。

And I realized that in you as a businessman.

而我意識到，在您身為一位企業家身上。

I mean, look, you have been a stunningly successful businessman and we'll, we'll talk through that.

我的意思是，你看，您是一位非常成功的企業家，我們也會好好聊聊這部分。

But has that guided how you've made decisions in your life?

但這是否引導了您人生中的決策呢？

The fact that you really want to knuckle down and be the absolute best you can?

您真的想全力以赴，成為最好的自己？

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