Name: 迪耶戈·魯納暢談《蜘蛛女之吻》、《安多》與扮演革命者！ (Diego Luna Talks ‘Kiss of the Spider Woman,’ ‘Andor,’ and Playing Revolutionaries)
Uploaded: 2025-12-16T18:06:03.000Z
Duration: 21 min 19 s

The only reason I'm still alive is because I have information they want.

我之所以還活著，全是因為我握有他們想要的情報。

過去簡單式

You were in danger the minute you met me.

你遇見我的那一刻起，就身處險境了。

情態助動詞 A2

I'm so excited to talk to you because I've been a huge fan of your career for, like, an extremely long time.

我非常興奮能跟你聊，因為我超級欣賞你的演藝事業，已經很久很久了。

I was actually grew up in Corbish, Christie, Texas.

我其實是在德州克里斯蒂的 Corbish 長大的。

And when Ytu Ma Tambien came out, it was like everybody was talking about that movie.

而當《Ytu Ma Tambien》出來的時候，大家都在討論那部電影。

It was like the biggest thing that ever had happened.

那感覺就像是發生過最盛大的事情一樣。

And it's so great that you're now back with another film that people are raving about, another incredible year between Andor and Kiss of the Spider Woman.

很高興你現在又帶著另一部大家讚不絕口的電影回來了，還有《Andor》和《Kiss of the Spider Woman》這兩部令人驚豔的作品。

So I'm gonna start with Kiss of the Spider Woman because this is actually an interesting thing, especially for you.

所以我會從《Kiss of the Spider Woman》開始聊，因為這其實是個很有趣的事情，特別對你來說。

它曾經是齣舞臺劇，然後又被拍成電影，

now it's been turned into a musical and it's won awards all the way through.

現在又被改編成音樂劇，一路以來都得獎無數。

But sadly, it doesn't often get cast authentically.

但很可惜，它並不常被真實地選角。

So it was really great to see you as a Spanish language actor playing this role.

所以看到你身為一位西班牙語演員來飾演這個角色，真的很棒。

So talk about getting the role and taking that back a little bit by playing it authentically.

所以聊聊你是怎麼拿到這個角色的，以及透過真實地演繹來稍微回溯一下。

Because, first thing, this is a novel, right?

因為，首先，這是一本小說，對吧？

And it's quite interesting what that book has generated over decades.

而這本書幾十年來所產生的影響，真的很有意思。

You know, how relevant still is today, you know how different it reads today at the same time.

知道它在今天有多麼貼切，你知道它同時在今天讀起來有多麼不同。

And it's fascinating how many things have come out of it.

而且它衍伸出這麼多東西，真的令人著迷。

As you said, a theater play, a musical play that opened in Broadway in the 80s that was really important for a community that was a hit.

就像你說的，一齣舞臺劇，一齣在80年代於百老匯首演的音樂劇，對一個社群來說非常重要，而且是一齣熱門劇。

But that also, like, was the first in many things.

但它同時也是許多事情的開端。

You know, it was like, it was a very important event in New York.

知道嗎，它在紐約是一件非常重要的盛事。

And then a film directed by Babenko that was also very special.

然後是Babenko執導的電影，那也非常特別。

And then the play, I remember the theater play and the musical in Mexico, you know, so the play traveled and was executed in different countries, you know, But

然後是這齣戲，我記得舞臺劇和墨西哥的音樂劇，你知道，所以這齣戲傳播到不同國家並在當地演出，你知道，但是

Bill Condon had a great idea which was like, well, let's make a homage to the Broadway play, you know, which is very specific.

Bill Condon 有個很棒的想法，就是「嘿，不如我們來向百老匯的舞臺劇致敬吧」，你知道，這很特別。

而且這部電影跟其他的不一樣。

You know, I think many, many people thought when.

你知道，我想很多人都覺得，當。

When we announced the project, that we were doing a remake of a film, but

當我們宣佈這個計畫時，以為我們是要重拍一部電影，但

it has nothing to do with that, you know, And

這跟那個完全沒關係，你知道，而且

I think that's beautiful because it's just a different thing.

我覺得這很棒，因為它就是一個不同的東西。

But the seed is the same, you know, and is this, this, this.

但是種子是一樣的，你知道，就是這個，這個，這個。

This thing that the book had, which is so relevant today, to remind ourselves, you know, about down, about opening up, about allowing love to exist in every possible way.

這本書裡有的東西，在今天仍然如此重要，提醒我們，你知道，關於放下、關於敞開心扉、關於讓愛以各種可能的方式存在。

你知道，這是一個關於自由的故事。

It's a story about understanding, about change and revolution.

這是一個關於理解、關於改變與革命的故事。

I mean, it really hit me deeply, you know, when I read it, because it also is a story that celebrates cinema and celebrates theater, you know, and

我覺得，當我讀它的時候，它真的深深觸動了我，因為它同時也是一個頌揚電影和戲劇的故事，你知道，而且

It celebrates cinema when cinema was pretty much theater shot, you know.

它頌揚電影，而那時的電影幾乎就像是拍攝的戲劇，你知道。

And the approach of Bill was very, very beautiful because he committed to that.

Bill 的做法非常、非常棒，因為他對此非常投入。

To that language, you know, to that visual language.

對於那種語言，你知道，那種視覺語言。

And we approached all the musical side of the film being very, very consistent in trying to make it the way they would have make it back then, you know, and

我們在處理電影的音樂部分時，也非常、非常一致地試圖以當時人們製作的方式來呈現，你知道，而且

it was fascinating to go into that world.

我從來沒有演過音樂劇，而且那次經驗。

我確實為一部電影唱了很多歌，但是。

But not the same, you know, this was very special.

但是不一樣，你知道，這次非常特別。

And I got to work with amazing people from the theater industry in New York.

而且我還有機會和紐約劇院界很棒的人們一起工作。

That it meant a lot to me, you know, coming from theater and being able to do that and work with those performers was very special.

這對我意義重大，你知道，我來自劇場，能夠做到這點並與那些表演者合作，是非常特別的。

And it's funny that you mentioned that, because I've been a student of your work on camera, but

你提到這件事很有趣，因為我一直在學習你在鏡頭前的作品，但是

you've also talked about how you don't love to dance on screen.

你也說過你不喜歡在螢幕上跳舞。

Like, this is actually something that I've known from ITU Maitambien, and

就像，這其實是我從Ytu Ma Tambien就認識到的，而且

then also the one that you don't enjoy, Havana Nights, but I am obsessive with.

還有你不太喜歡的Havana Nights，但我對它很著迷。

And it's like, man, you seem to dance a lot, though, for somebody that supposedly doesn't like to dance on screen.

而且，老實說，你好像跳了很多舞，對一個聲稱不喜歡在螢幕上跳舞的人來說。

So was it just that you really wanted to work with Bill because he makes you dance?

所以是因為你真的很想跟 Bill 合作，所以他讓你跳舞嗎？

And I feel like that had to be the conversation.

我覺得這一定是當時的對話內容。

I was more scared about the singing, you know, even though I don't have very complicated songs.

我比較擔心唱歌，你知道，即使我的歌沒有很複雜。

For me, singing is something I never trained for.

對我來說，唱歌是我從來沒有受過訓練的。

And also, like, I come from a country and a community that would dance, you know, for fun every weekend.

而且，你知道，我來自一個國家和社群，每週末都會為了好玩而跳舞。

而且，你知道，這是我的一部分。

It was part of my life, but it's different.

這曾是我生活的一部分，但感覺不一樣。

I guess I respect very much dancers, you know, I respect very much those performers that can use their voice and their body in that very.

我真的很尊敬舞者，你知道，我真的很尊敬那些能運用聲音和身體的表演者，那種很。

就像他們是運動員一樣，你知道，而且。

And it needs a lot of work and precision and.

而且這需要很多努力和精準度，還有。

And for me, well, yeah, I respect that a lot.

對我來說，嗯，是的，我非常尊敬這一點。

And I am very cautious, you know, But I also love the challenge, as I said, and

而且我非常謹慎，你知道，但我也很喜歡挑戰，就像我說的，而且

I think we had the right tools, you know, first of all, Sergio, Sergio, the choreographer, he was very kind to give me everything I needed to execute, and

我認為我們擁有了對的工具，你知道，首先，Sergio，Sergio，編舞家，他非常親切地給了我執行所需的一切，而且

The weight of the Musical is not on my shoulders, you know, And

這齣音樂劇的重擔不在我肩上，你知道，而且

I had the opportunity to work with someone like Jennifer that is, like, just the best at what she does, you know, and

我有機會和像 Jennifer 這樣的人合作，她就是做她那行最頂尖的，你知道，而且

it was so, so wonderful to see her process and learn from her and be taken by her hand through this journey, you know, And

看到她的過程並向她學習，以及在這趟旅程中被她牽著手，真是太、太美好了，你知道，而且

Tonathieu and I, we worked really hard on putting together those numbers.

我和 Tonathieu，我們非常努力地編排這些表演。

And again, we had great, great partners in this journey.

而且再次強調，我們在這趟旅程中有很棒、很棒的夥伴。

So it seemed like the right place to go and do something like this, you know, I don't know.

所以這似乎是個做這類事情的對的選擇，你知道，我不知道。

And this time, like, you do the Jennifer Lopez, like, type thing where you're like, in it, everything.

然後這次，就像，妳做那個 Jennifer Lopez 那種感覺，妳就沉浸其中，全部。

It was like, I was so excited to see you in, like, a musical type moment.

就像，我超興奮能在音樂劇式的場合看到妳。

You were playing somebody that was fighting for freedom against incredible opposition.

你在演一個對抗巨大阻力、為自由奮鬥的人。

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