Name: 從焦慮到自信的職涯轉變！| 我的 Irina Posan 專訪 (How I Went From Anxious to Confident in My Career | My Interview with Irina Posan)
Uploaded: 2025-12-12T18:09:57.000Z
Duration: 40 min 12 s

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I am so happy to have you on the podcast.

非常開心能邀請妳來到我們的播客。

現在進行式

And I am sitting here with a copy of your book, which is incredible to see it come to life.

我現在手邊就拿著妳的書，看到它實現真是太不可思議了。

I know you and I have been connecting behind the scenes for some time through the writing process, and

我知道妳我私下透過寫作過程已經聯繫一段時間了，

seeing it come to life and actually reading it resonated so much with me.

看到它實現而且實際閱讀時，真的讓我很產生共鳴。

So I can't wait to dive into all of that.

所以我迫不及待想深入探討所有這些。

Thank you so much for having me, for setting this up, for having this conversation.

非常感謝妳邀請我，為我安排這一切，進行這次的對話。

And I'm much more excited to hear about what you thought of the book.

我也很期待聽到妳對這本書的想法。

I know you're going to be asking me a lot of questions, but, yeah, thank you for having me.

我知道妳會問我很多問題，但，嗯，謝謝妳邀請我。

millions of people know who you are through your YouTube channel, but

而且數百萬人透過妳的 YouTube頻道認識妳，但

tell us a bit about you before we hop in.

在我們開始之前，可以先簡單介紹一下妳自己嗎？

Yeah, so when people ask me that, it's like, okay, do I go all the way back?

嗯，所以當人們這樣問我時，我就想，好吧，我要回溯到多久以前？

But essentially, well, I'll share what I do right now.

但基本上，嗯，我會分享我現在在做的事情。

So I'm an author of the book the Quiet Achiever, which just launched October of 2025.

所以我是一位作者，寫了《安靜的成就者》這本書，這本書在 2025 年 10 月剛上市。

This book has now become an Amazon bestseller in Canada, the US And Singapore as well.

這本書現在已經成為加拿大、美國和新加坡的亞馬遜暢銷書。

I'm also a leadership and communication coach.

So essentially, I work with a specific group of individuals, professionals, who I call Quiet Achievers.

所以基本上，我與一群特定的人合作，也就是專業人士，我稱他們為「安靜的成就者」。

Those of us who are introverted, we keep to ourselves.

我們這些內向的人，比較默默耕耘。

We at the same time, however, are high achievers.

And I work with these individuals in helping them to elevate and enhance their communication and their confidence in their careers so that whether it's to advance to the next level or to pursue a different career path, whatever it is that they want, it's to help them get to that level.

我與這些人合作，幫助他們提升與增強他們的溝通能力和職業自信，這樣無論是晉升到下一個層級，還是追求不同的職業道路， whatever it is that they want，都是為了幫助他們達到那個目標。

我是說，這就是我現在在做的工作。

Previously, people would recognize me and know me as Linda Rayner, the career strategist.

以前，大家認識我、知道我，是作為一位職業策略師 Linda Rayner。

That's very similar to Irina helps you to land job offers in your career.

這跟 Irina 協助你在職涯中爭取到工作機會非常相似。

And that's essentially how people would know me if they watched my YouTube videos over the last 10 years.

這基本上就是大家過去十年來看我的 YouTube 影片時會認識我的方式。

But my work has since then pivoted with the help of the Quiet Achiever being my new message.

但自那時起，在「靜默的成就者」成為我新訊息的幫助下，我的工作重心也轉變了。

The Quiet Achiever group that you just described is probably the group that needs the most support in getting their voices heard in the workplace.

你剛才描述的「靜默的成就者」這群人，可能是最需要支持、讓他們在職場上聲音被聽見的群體。

Getting promoted, landing that role, such an important message.

獲得晉升、爭取到那個職位，這是個非常重要的訊息。

And oddly enough, when I first heard the title and you know, we talked about it and you explained it.

而且說來也巧，當我第一次聽到這個標題，你知道的，我們聊過，你也解釋了。

I thought, okay, I know I'm an achiever, that's for sure.

我想，好吧，我知道我絕對是個成就者。

If you've done that, like top strengths assessment by Gallup.

如果你做過蓋洛普的頂尖優勢評估。

But I thought, you know what, I'm not that quiet.

但我心想，你知道嗎，我其實沒那麼安靜。

This probably isn't for me reading it though.

一切都產生了共鳴，全部都是。

And I think the piece about being introverted and how that affects our energy and how that affects the way in which we show up in all aspects of our lives, such a beautiful message really, really resonated with me.

我覺得關於內向以及這如何影響我們的能量，以及這如何影響我們在生活中各個層面的表現，這部分真的很美，深深地產生了共鳴。

How do you think from your perspective that quiet achievers are impacted at work?

從你的角度來看，你認為靜默的成就者在工作中會受到什麼影響？

How does this affect their ability to sell themselves?

這會如何影響他們推銷自己的能力？

Whether that's in an interview or just, you know, in their jobs?

無論是在面試中，或者只是在他們的工作上？

Well, I think we kind of have to take it back to understanding how quiet achievers sort of function and think.

嗯，我認為我們必須回溯到理解靜默的成就者是如何運作和思考的。

Because I didn't know group of individuals existed until I had to do my own self inner reflection and realize, oh, I'm also a quiet achiever.

因為我直到自己做內省，意識到「哦，我也是個靜默的成就者」之前，都不知道有這樣一群人存在。

A lot of the clients that came to me when they were looking for jobs, I noticed they were very similar in the sense that they were all hard workers.

許多找我諮詢的客戶，我注意到他們在某方面非常相似，他們都是勤奮工作者。

They were delivering good quality work reports, whatever it is that they were responsible for at work.

他們交付了品質良好的工作報告，無論他們在工作中負責什麼。

But they were not able to, like you said, sell themselves or communicate their value.

但他們卻無法像你說的，推銷自己或溝通他們的價值。

And so I had to teach them, you know, those techniques when it comes to interviewing.

所以我必須教他們，你知道的，關於面試的技巧。

But what then I noticed afterward was these individuals would land the jobs.

但之後我注意到的是，這些人會順利找到工作。

And then now that they're in the job, it became a whole other ball game where on a daily basis they were doing their work, working hard, delivering, you know, always being on time, all the things, all the wonderful things that you look for in a hard worker, a good employee.

然後現在他們進到公司後，這又變成另一回事了，每天他們都在做他們的工作，努力工作，交付成果，你知道的，總是準時，所有那些，所有你在一個勤奮工作者、一個好員工身上會尋找的各種很棒的事情。

But over the course of several years, especially when they would advance to maybe senior, then they get to mid manager level, was where I noticed a lot of these quiet achievers stagnated career wise.

但隨著時間過去幾年，特別是當他們晉升到資深職位，然後到中階主管時，我注意到許多優秀的內曏者在職涯發展上停滯不前。

They weren't able to get to that senior manager, that director level.

他們無法晉升到高階主管或總監層級。

And now, you know, those clients, after being in this industry and this business for 10 years, they've come back to me asking me, linda, can you share with me or teach me how to communicate in a way where I can advance to the next level?

現在，你知道的，這些客戶，在這個產業和這個領域待了十年後，他們回來找我，問我，Linda，妳能不能分享或教我如何溝通，讓我可以晉升到下一個層級？

That was what I discovered, sort of is that pain point for these quiet achievers is that they're in this place where they're getting these reviews performance wise, being Told you need to speak up more, you need to put yourself out there more, you need to share your ideas more, we need to hear of your voice more.

我發現，這些優秀的內曏者有個痛點，就是他們處於一個地方，他們得到了績效方面的評價，被告知你需要多發言，你需要多表現自己，你需要多分享你的想法，我們需要聽到你的聲音。

And so in the workplace, not knowing how to do these things, because this is the thing is a lot of quiet achievers, the ones that I work with at least they were programmed just as I was with this very specific idea of just put your head down, work hard, get good grades, get a good job, you'll live happily ever after.

所以在職場上，不知道如何做這些事，因為這就是關鍵，很多優秀的內曏者，至少我合作過的那些，他們和我一樣，被灌輸了一個非常特定的想法：埋頭苦幹，努力工作，取得好成績，找個好工作，你就會從此過著幸福快樂的日子。

一旦你找到工作，你就會快樂。

And then it's, they followed that path, they've progressed, they've gained a certain level of success, but

然後，他們遵循了這條路，他們進步了，他們獲得了一定程度的成功，但是

now they're at that point where, well, now what?

現在他們處於一個點，嗯，現在該怎麼辦？

I also don't feel very confident in myself other than when I produce good work that represents my value.

除了產出能代表我價值的好作品之外，我也覺得自己不太有自信。

So they fully identify with their job, their work, the value that they bring in terms of the quality of their work.

所以他們完全認同自己的工作、努力，以及他們透過工作品質所帶來的價值。

Their voices aren't able to be expressed clearly.

他們的聲音無法清晰地表達出來。

They're not able to share their opinions.

A lot of my quiet achiever clients, they struggle with anxiety when it comes to, for example, even just speaking up in a meeting.

我合作過的許多內向的高成就者客戶，在開會時，光是要發言，他們就會感到焦慮。

And that, you know, as you know, you being a director in hr, I'm sure you're very familiar with that.

這點，你知道的，身為人資總監的你，肯定非常熟悉。

If people feel that you're invisible and they don't recognize you, they don't see you, you're not going to get those opportunities.

如果大家覺得你隱形，不認可你，看不到你，你就得不到那些機會。

And it's like, especially at that leadership level, like you mentioned, people value those typical leadership skills which people can see as very extroverted type skills.

而且就像你說的，在那個領導階層，大家重視的是那些外向型的領導特質。

It's not enough to just put your head down, do the project in the best way possible.

光是埋頭苦幹，把專案做到最好是不夠的。

Now it's important to lead and move others and get people aligned with your vision and share that passion and be your own best advocate.

現在更重要的是要領導他人，讓大家認同你的願景，分享你的熱情，並且為自己發聲。

Because if we're not doing that for ourselves, no one is coming to save us, right?

因為如果我們不為自己這麼做，沒有人會來拯救我們，對吧？

What would be like one tip that you can share for people that are resonating with this message where they're like, okay, I also want to move to that director level now.

你能不能分享一個小撇步，給那些對這個訊息產生共鳴，並且也想晉升到總監職位的人呢？

I also want to be a leader, a first time leader, but

我也想成為一位領導者，第一次當領導者，但是

it doesn't come naturally to me and I want to make sure that do that.

這對我來說不是那麼自然，而且我希望能確保自己能做到。

I know you gave a ton of incredible insights through your books.

我知道您透過您的書籍分享了許多令人驚豔的見解。

I know people could read that and take so much away.

我知道大家讀了之後能學到很多。

But what would be like the number one thing that comes to mind?

但對您來說，最先想到的會是什麼呢？

哦，因為我是一個會深入探討的人。

Like I could easily tell you, oh well, you just need to speak up more in meetings, you need to share your opinions, you need to have a structure on how you're going to share.

像是，我可以很輕鬆地告訴你，嗯，你只需要在會議上多發言，你需要分享你的意見，你需要有一個分享的架構。

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