Name: 真的能控制小孩的螢幕時間嗎？| 服務條款 (Is it actually possible to control kids’ screen time? | Terms of Service)
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I've had so many parents tell me that getting their kids to spend less time on their devices or to control the time that their kids are spending on their devices, it's an uphill battle and it can be overwhelming to know where to start.

我收到好多家長跟我說，要讓孩子們少玩裝置，或是控制他們玩裝置的時間，這真是艱難的戰役，而且會讓人不知從何開始，感到不知所措。

But I have someone here with me today who has thought about this issue a lot.

但今天我找來了一位對這個議題有深入思考的人。

Nikki Petrosi is a mom of three and a former social media executive turned social media reform advocate.

Nikki Petrosi 是三個孩子的媽，也是一位從社群媒體高階主管轉型為社群媒體改革倡議者。

She's the host of Scrolling to Death, a podcast for parents worried about the pull that social media has on their kids.

她是「Scrolling to Death」節目的主持人，這是一個為擔心社群媒體對孩子影響的家長們製作的播客。

And we're going to talk through some practical tips for managing kids screen time.

我們今天要來聊聊管理孩子螢幕時間的實用技巧。

So before we really get into it, will you just talk a little bit about how you became interested in making sure that kids have a healthy relationship with technology?

那麼，在我們深入探討之前，妳能不能先稍微談談，妳是怎麼開始關心確保孩子們能與科技建立健康關係的呢？

You know, when my kids were getting a little bit older, maybe my daughter was around five, I was like most parents posting her online.

妳知道，當我的孩子們漸漸長大，大概我女兒五歲的時候，我跟大多數父母一樣，會在網路上發布她的動態。

And I remember I was really proud of that.

She had great beat and I got a lot of pride in posting her.

她很有節奏感，我在發布她的動態時感到很驕傲。

And then around five, I started to think, wow, this is like her body.

然後大概在她五歲左右，我開始想，哇，這是她的身體。

她正在長大，變成一個小女孩了。

Maybe I should be protecting her identity online.

或許我應該保護她在網路上的身份。

And I'd never been a big social media person either.

而且我本來就不是一個重度社群媒體使用者。

And so I just stopped using social media entirely.

所以我就完全停止使用社群媒體了。

Everything was really stressful and I decided my time was better spent off of social media personally, which was interest interesting because my job was a social media manager.

一切都讓人壓力很大，我決定個人方面，我的時間與其花在社群媒體上，不如做更有意義的事，這很有趣，因為我的工作是社群媒體經理。

But I went probably three years without any social media and I felt really great.

但我大概有三年沒有使用任何社群媒體，感覺真的很棒。

My relationships with people were better communicating one on one, but

我與人們的一對一溝通關係變得更好，但是

I still would look around and notice everyone so deep in their phones.

我還是會看到大家深深地埋頭在手機裡。

And a surgeon general's warning came out too, in 2023, warning parents about how social media could be detrimental to your children's mental health.

而且在 2023 年，總監的警告也出來了，警告家長社群媒體可能對孩子的心理健康有害。

And, you know, I saw stories of kids being killed by things that were happening on social.

而且，你知道的，我看到許多孩子因為社群媒體上發生的事情而喪命的故事。

And I thought that it would be important for all parents to understand the harms and the risks before we give our kids access.

而且我認為，在我們讓孩子接觸之前，所有家長都應該瞭解其中的危害和風險。

Talk a little bit about where you're at in your personal family journey with technology.

聊聊你在科技方面，你個人家庭的旅程進行到哪裡了。

I mean, there's a lot of different, a variety of approaches here for parents and for us.

我的意思是，對家長和我們來說，這裡有很多不同的方法。

I think if I could sum it up, it's like a tech together mentality.

我想如果我能總結一下，那就是一種「一起玩科技」的心態。

So my children don't do Any solo media use.

所以我的孩子們不會獨自使用任何媒體。

So anything that's like handheld, so they don't have iPads, they don't have phones, they're, they're 10 and under, so they're still younger.

所以任何手持的裝置，他們沒有 iPad，沒有手機，他們，他們 10 歲以下，所以他們還比較小。

But we have one TV in the house and when it gets turned on, it's watching it with me watching a longer form piece of content like a movie rather than short form TV shows.

但我們家裡有一臺電視，當它打開時，是和我一起看，看像電影這樣的長篇內容，而不是短篇的電視節目。

I was able to get them in a classical school where they do not use any technology currently.

我讓他們進入一所古典學校，目前他們不使用任何科技。

And so it's just trying to be as safe as possible by restricting but also having a lot of discussions about why and age appropriately what the risks and threats could be once they get access.

所以，這就是盡可能安全地進行限制，同時也要適齡地與他們討論，一旦他們接觸到科技，可能會有什麼風險和威脅。

Because they will, whether they sneak it, any kid will do that or see something on their friend's device or eventually have a school device that they, they can sneak into and poke around.

因為他們遲早會接觸到，無論是偷偷拿去玩，任何小孩都會這樣做，或者看到朋友裝置上的東西，或是最終拿到學校的裝置，他們可以偷偷登入、亂點一通。

And so I think the most important thing is like those open conversations with your kids about what's going on there.

所以，我認為最重要的事情就是和孩子們就網路上發生的事情進行開放式的對話。

So our executive producer Steve Lichti came to us with the idea for this episode.

所以我們的執行製作 Steve Lichti 向我們提出了這個單元的想法。

He talked about the struggle of trying to manage his kids experience online on their devices.

他談到了管理孩子們在裝置上使用網路時所面臨的掙扎。

Is this something that's sort of challenge of managing how much time kids spend and what they're doing?

這是不是一種挑戰，在於管理孩子們花費多少時間以及他們在做什麼？

This is something that you've heard from other parents as well.

這也是你從其他家長那裡聽說過的。

I think it's probably the number one thing parents are struggling with is how to manage the children's screen time.

我認為家長們最掙扎的事情，大概就是如何管理孩子的螢幕時間。

And again, why I've chosen like basically none because I don't want to have that fight every day.

而且，我之所以基本上選擇「完全不用」，是因為我不想每天都為了這件事吵架。

There was actually a survey by a company called Angel Q.

其實有一家叫做 Angel Q 的公司做了一項調查。

They, they did a survey and the average parent faces nearly 500 screen time battles every year with their kids.

他們，他們做了一項調查，結果發現一般家長每年平均要跟孩子們為了螢幕時間發生將近 500 場戰役。

One time a day they're fighting with their kids over screen time.

他們每天都要跟孩子們為了螢幕時間吵架一次。

And I think there's a couple things here.

Like the, the companies who built these devices and apps don't make it easy for parents to figure out how to limit their children's screen time and manage their use because that means less profit for the company.

像是那些製造這些裝置和應用程式的公司，他們並沒有讓家長們輕易地弄清楚如何限制孩子們的螢幕時間和管理他們的用途，因為這對公司來說意味著利潤減少。

And so it's purposely built to be a little bit confusing.

所以這是有意設計得有點複雜。

And then also I think parents are just like why is this so hard?

然後我也覺得家長們會想說，為什麼這麼難？

Like why do we have to be in this position to try to fight with our kids over this when it's the, the company's decisions to make these things addictive to make the parental controls really difficult.

為什麼我們必須處於這種要跟孩子們為了這件事爭執的立場，明明是公司決定要把這些東西做得這麼容易讓人上癮，而且家長控制功能也做得非常困難。

And so I think parents are getting to a phase now where we're like, we need to pressure the companies to do Better like this isn't our fault for failing to be able to keep them safe.

所以我覺得家長們現在已經進入一個階段，我們在想，我們需要給這些公司壓力，讓他們做得更好，這不是我們無法保護他們安全而失敗的錯。

You talked about just sort of the different approaches that parents can take to this issue.

你談到了家長可以採取的一些不同方法來處理這個問題。

But I want to just sort of talk a little bit about Steve's situation.

He's got an 11 year old and a 14 year old.

他有一個 11 歲和一個 14 歲的孩子。

And I'm curious what comes to your mind first when you think, think about restricting or creating boundaries around screen time for that age group.

當你想到要限制或設定這個年齡層的螢幕時間界線時，我很好奇你腦中第一個浮現的是什麼？

There's layers you have to be thinking about.

It's monitoring from the upper, like the router level so you can go to your Internet provider and set up protections from the router level so things aren't getting through on your Internet, on your wifi.

這是從上層監控，像是路由器層級，所以你可以去你的網路供應商那裡，從路由器層級設定保護措施，這樣你的網路、你的 Wi-Fi 就會擋掉一些東西。

Then there's actual, any devices that they have setting up the monitoring.

然後還有實際的，任何他們裝置上設定的監控。

And you mentioned that he has a child with a school tablet.

你提到他有一個孩子，用學校的平板電腦。

There's real limitations that the schools put on around what parents can manage and monitor and have access to on those devices.

學校對家長能管理、監控和存取這些裝置上的內容，設下了實際的限制。

And then there's all the way down to like the individual apps which your kid may have access to a ton of apps like, or have you set up the parental controls on each of those individual apps which again are just not built very well.

然後一直到個別的應用程式，你的孩子可能可以存取很多應用程式，或者你必須在每一個個別應用程式上設定家長控制，而這些功能又做得不是很好。

And so there, there are levels that you can go down and try to do your, your best, but

所以，你可以一層一層往下，盡力而為，

in the end protecting them against everything is going to be difficult.

但最終保護他們免受所有事情的影響，將會很困難。

yeah, there's, there's parents who've like lost kids to something that happened on social media, that had every conversation, had every monitoring app and device and everything all set up and it just doesn't fully protect them.

是的，有些家長的孩子因為社群媒體上發生的事情而離開了，他們已經進行了所有對話，設定了所有監控應用程式和裝置，但這仍然無法完全保護他們。

That's why again I'm like pressure on these companies to do better because we're in a really tough spot.

這也是為什麼我再次強調，要給這些公司壓力，讓他們做得更好，因為我們現在真的處於一個很艱難的處境。

Will you go a little bit deeper on the functions within smartphones that allow parents to provide controls and how effective those controls are?

你能不能再深入一點，談談智慧型手機裡有哪些功能，讓家長可以設定控制，以及這些控制有多有效？

So let me start with iPhones because I think it's like 88% of teens have an iPhone that's in the US and those were built for adults and they are very difficult to lock down.

讓我先從 iPhone 開始說起，因為我認為在美國有大約 88% 的青少年擁有 iPhone，而這些是為成人設計的，要完全鎖定它們非常困難。

They have a parental control system on Apple devices called Screen Time.

它們在 Apple 裝置上有一個家長控制系統，叫做「螢幕使用時間」。

There are really huge holes in, I hear from a lot of parents that struggle with setting it up, with managing it.

我聽很多家長說，在設定和管理上都有很大的困難，有很多嚴重的漏洞。

Like why did my kid get access to this app that I didn't approve.

像是為什麼我的孩子可以存取這個我沒有準許的 App。

I hear a lot of parents struggling with the apple parental controls.

我聽很多家長在 Apple 家長控制上感到很吃力。

There are some, you know, you should definitely use them if your child has an iPhone or an iPad.

這些裝置，你知道，如果你的孩子有 iPhone 或 iPad，你絕對應該使用它們。

But the safest option with like locked down parental controls is any kid safe device.

但最安全的選擇，有像鎖定的家長控制功能，就是任何兒童安全裝置。

And the main companies are Bark, Gab, Pinwheel and Trumy.

主要的公司有 Bark、Gab、Pinwheel 和 Trumy。

And those are built safe from the ground up.

這些裝置從一開始就建置得很安全。

So the parent has complete control over what your kids are accessing.

所以家長可以完全控制你的孩子在存取什麼。

That's like the gold standard in child safe devices.

這就像是兒童安全裝置的黃金標準。

I was going to ask you about those sort of alternate devices.

我本來想問你關於那些替代裝置。

So that's instead of giving your kid an iPhone if you still want them to have a phone to walk to school or something like that, those alternates are offering parents more control.

所以這就是取代給你的孩子 iPhone，如果你還是希望他們有支手機可以走路去學校之類的，這些替代裝置能提供家長更多控制。

And even before then would be a watch which just does very basic things.

甚至在那之前，還會有智慧手錶，它只做非常基本的事情。

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