Name: Jo Malone CBE 女士：如何將童年困境化為全球成功！ (Ms. Jo Malone CBE on Turning Childhood Struggle into Global Success)
Uploaded: 2025-11-11T18:29:01.000Z
Duration: 47 min 52 s

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We all have to make big decisions in our lives, decisions that define and influence our professional and personal journeys.

我們在生活中都必須做出重大決定，這些決定定義並影響我們的職涯和個人旅程。

If you reflect on them, some are good and some I'm sure you definitely regret.

如果你回顧這些決定，有些是好的，有些我確定你絕對會後悔。

In my nearly three decades as a financial journalist, I've interviewed literally thousands of CEOs, politicians and market voices and they all had to make decisions and choices to get where they are today.

在我近三十年的財經記者生涯中，我採訪過數千位執行長、政治人物和市場意見領袖，他們都必須做出決定和選擇，才能走到今天這個位置。

In this podcast, I hear about those decisions, as well as the moments of doubt, risk and conviction that impacted our guests journeys and the people they lead.

在這個 podcast 中，我將聽取這些決定，以及影響我們來賓旅程和他們所帶領人們的懷疑、冒險和信念時刻。

This is Executive Decisions with me, Steve Sedgwick.

這是 Executive Decisions，由我 Steve Sedgwick 主持。

In this episode, I speak to Ms. Jo Malone CBE.

在這一集，我將與 Ms. Jo Malone CBE 對談。

Being a leader today, you have to accept that some of those decisions are going to be unpopular and people won't agree with them.

身為現今的領導者，你必須接受有些決定會不受歡迎，人們也不會同意。

But when it's your company and it's your money, you have the right to take that ship wherever you think is right.

但當這是你的公司、你的錢時，你有權利將這艘船開往你認為對的方向。

Jo is one of Britain's most prominent entrepreneurs, building her business into a household name that was sold to one of the biggest beauty market players.

Jo 是英國最傑出的企業家之一，她將自己的事業打造成一個家喻戶曉的品牌，後來賣給了最大的美妝市場巨頭之一。

But that drive to succeed was forged during a difficult childhood.

但這種成功的動力，是在艱困的童年時期磨練出來的。

I think that entrepreneurial spirit of survival, it was first of all, and

我認為那種求生的創業精神，首先是，

I kept saying to myself, when I grow up, I'm not going to live like this, I'm not going to have a family like this.

我一直告訴自己，長大後，我不會過這樣的生活，我的家人也不會。

And I can remember one day being in my bedroom and we didn't have any central heating.

我還記得有一天，我在房間裡，我們沒有中央暖氣。

It was really cold and there was ice on the window and I remember scraping the ice with my and looking out and thinking, I've got to change my destiny.

天氣非常冷，窗戶上結了冰，我記得我用手刮著冰，望出去，心想，我一定要改變我的命運。

From her battle with serious illness to the challenges of living with the legacy of her name, Jo's resilience is what sets her apart and makes her such a remarkable woman.

從她與嚴重疾病的奮鬥，到帶著自己名字的傳承生活所面臨的挑戰，Jo 的韌性讓她與眾不同，也讓她成為一位傑出的女性。

Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people.

好事會發生在壞人身上，壞事也會發生在好人身上。

It's how you get through it, it's how you navigate that that is the strength of character and it's something I still pursue today.

重要的是你如何度過難關，如何應對，這就是品格力量，也是我至今仍在追求的。

These are Ms. Jo Malone CBE's executive decisions.

這些是 Ms. Jo Malone CBE 的 executive decisions。

We've spoken to amazing people and they've all had incredible childhoods, incredible childhood stories.

我們訪問過很棒的人，他們都有令人難以置信的童年，令人難以置信的童年故事。

Was it the catalyst for who you've become?

So I grew up in a little two up, two down on a council estate in Bexley Heath in Kent and had two very creative parents.

所以我是在肯特郡貝克斯利希思的一個公共房屋區，一個小小的兩層房屋裡長大的，我有兩個非常有創意的父母。

So my father was, well, my mother was in the beauty industry, which is obviously how I where I eventually ended up.

我父親，嗯，我母親在美妝產業工作，這顯然就是我後來會進入的領域。

And my father was a brilliant, brilliant man, but not very domesticated.

而我父親是個非常、非常出色的人，但不太擅長家務。

So in our little sitting room at home, there was a drawing board and all the paints in there.

所以在家裡的小客廳裡，有一個畫板和所有的顏料都在那裡。

So it was like we grew up in a studio with the smell of paint, sitting, watching TV on a Friday night, washing his palettes and his paintbrushes.

所以就像我們在一個充滿顏料味的畫室裡長大，坐在那裡，週五晚上看電視，洗著他的調色盤和畫筆。

He was also a member of the magic circle, so he was a magician and I was always by his side.

他也是魔法協會的成員，所以他是一位魔術師，我總是在他身邊。

And he was a huge poker player and a gambler.

而且他是一位超級撲克玩家和賭徒。

So there was all these very sort of artistic, creative parents.

所以有這樣一群非常有藝術氣息、有創意的父母。

And from the age of 11, I was really the one who was the adult that would say, have we got enough money for the electric and gas meter?

從11歲開始，我就是那個真正像個大人一樣，會問「我們有足夠的錢付電費和瓦斯費嗎？」的人。

Because I knew that if he gambled all the money there'd be nothing to eat.

因為我知道如果他把錢都賭光了，就沒東西吃了。

And when I talk about that and I go around the world sharing that story, when I say I grew up on an estate, most people think, oh, it must have been Downton Abbey.

當我講述這段經歷，並在全球分享這個故事時，我說我住過公共房屋區，大多數人會想，哦，那一定像是唐頓莊園。

I raised my sister all by myself, really.

我真的，完全是自己一個人把妹妹帶大的。

You, as a child, as an 11 year old had to make a decision to either pretty much sink or swim, to maintain the family unit, to keep the family solvent.

你，一個小孩，一個十一歲的孩子，必須做出決定，是要自己沉下去還是游上來，來維持家庭的完整，讓家裡有收入。

What an amazing early thing to have to cope with for a child.

一個孩子要面對這樣的事情，真是太了不起了。

Well, you could talk to a lot of children today who are carers.

嗯，你今天可以跟很多孩子聊聊，他們是照顧者。

They did exactly the same and are doing exactly the same as I did at that time.

他們當時和我做的一樣，現在也還在做一樣的事情。

I don't know where social services were, I think I skirted round them.

我不知道社福單位在哪裡，我想我繞過了他們。

But I remember not going to school for nearly a year because my mum had had a breakdown and I didn't want her to go into a home.

不過我記得我差不多有一年沒去上學，因為我媽媽精神崩潰了，我不想讓她住進安養院。

I must have been about 12 at that time and I'm severely dyslexic, so I can't necessarily read in the same way that other people.

那時候我大概十二歲，而且我有嚴重的閱讀障礙，所以我沒辦法像別人一樣閱讀。

But I had watched my mum and the woman she worked for called the Countess Lovaty, whose real name was Doris Hilda Baker, by the way.

不過我一直看著我媽媽，還有她工作的地方，那位叫做 Lovaty 伯爵夫人的女士，順帶一提，她本名叫 Doris Hilda Baker。

總之，她是一位了不起的女性。

I'd watched her make face creams and I thought, okay, well, I watched what she did there.

我看著她製作臉部乳霜，然後我就想，好吧，我觀察了她在做什麼。

I can smell what she did, I'll copy them and then I'll take that £4 50 cleansing cream up to London on the train and I can sell it to her clients.

我能聞出她做的味道，我要模仿她們，然後我會帶著那罐 4.50 英鎊的潔膚霜搭火車去倫敦，賣給她的客戶。

And that is how I came, kept our family together.

這就是我如何維持我們家的團結。

And my father would come in and out of life whenever he felt he needed to come home.

而我爸爸則在他覺得需要回家的時候就出現。

It's so, so weird because this resilient Joe, this really tough little girl, who was actually very shy and very gentle, I think I was made during those moments.

這真的很、很奇怪，因為堅韌的喬，這個非常堅強的小女孩，其實非常害羞又溫柔，我想我就是在那些時刻被塑造出來的。

And no matter what came at me, I always found a way out.

不管遇到什麼，我總能找到出路。

I found a gateway or I found a tunnel or a ladder.

我找到一個入口，或是一個隧道，或是一架梯子。

And I think, okay, how do I make the next £20?

然後我就想，好吧，我該怎麼賺下一個 20 英鎊呢？

And at that time, we had family allowance, which I think was £4 a week for that, my sister and I, and

那時候，我們有家庭補助金，我記得那時候是一週 4 英鎊，給我跟我的姊姊，

所以這是 70 年代末、80 年代初。

But you also made the decision to almost parent your parents.

但你也做了幾乎像是照顧父母的決定。

Like, I had this amazing story about your father, brilliant artist that he was, would, if he sold the art on a Saturday, on the weekend, and

就像，我有一個關於你父親的精彩故事，他是一位才華洋溢的藝術家，如果他在週末賣掉藝術品，

had the money in pocket, it might well get wasted.

Make sure you sold the first piece of art.

So the family had money for the week as well.

It's a phenomenal decision that you took at an early age.

這是你在很年輕時做出的非凡決定。

我知道，但我。我認為我們住在一處。

不僅僅是我們，你知道的，而是。

Yeah, we would put the paintings out, but Crayford or Dartford, and

是啊，我們會把畫擺出來，在 Crayford 或 Dartford，然後

I would send him off to go and get breakfast and I knew I had 40 minutes before he came back to sell the first painting.

我會叫他去買早餐，我知道他回來之前我有 40 分鐘可以賣掉第一幅畫。

And as we would leave, my mum would say, there is no money for food.

我們離開時，我媽會說，沒錢買吃的。

And if my father didn't like the look of the person, he would double the price.

如果我爸不喜歡那個人，他就會把價格翻倍。

He was quite volatile, but very, very creative.

他脾氣很不好，但非常有創造力。

So I would sell, Sell it, pocket it, and then he would.

所以我會賣掉，賣掉，收下錢，然後他就會。

Of course, he'd know exactly what happened.

And then, of course, on the Sunday, I would go to the poker game with him and he.

然後，當然，週日我會跟他去打撲克，然後他。

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