Name: 我的非母語經歷┃隨身學習美式英語發音 (My Non-Native Speaker Experience┃Learn American English Pronunciation On the Go)
Uploaded: 2025-07-20T19:32:31.000Z
Duration: 27 min 11 s

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I'm Rachel and I put together this podcast for people who are studying English as a second language.

我是瑞秋，我為學習英語作為第二語言的人制作了這個播客。

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If you need help understanding this podcast, there's always a free transcript that you can download for each episode.

如果您在理解播客內容方面需要幫助，可以下載每集的免費文字稿。

Please go to rachelsenglish.com slash podcast and search for this episode.

請訪問 rachelsenglish.com slash podcast 並搜索這一集。

Today, my husband David and I are going to be discussing a recent trip that we took to Italy.

今天，我和丈夫大衛將討論我們最近的一次意大利之旅。

We were there for a month and we just got back about a week ago.

我們在那裡呆了一個月，一週前剛剛回來。

And we're going to discuss what it was like for us to be non-native speakers.

我們將討論非母語使用者的感受。

And not only non-native speakers, but non-native speakers with very little Italian skill.

不僅是母語不是意大利語的人，母語不是意大利語的人也很少會說意大利語。

We're going to talk about what that was like from the language perspective.

我們將從語言的角度來談談這一點。

And then also just from our personal experience, our personalities, how did it feel to be in another country speaking another language?

還有，從我們的個人經歷和個性來看，在另一個國家說另一種語言的感覺如何？

David, to start, I'd like to ask you, what did you do to prep as far as language before we left?

大衛，首先，我想問你，在我們出發之前，你做了哪些語言方面的準備？

You were doing a lot of practicing with your audio course.

你通過音頻課程進行了大量練習。

And so there were some times when we were sitting together in the living room and I was doing something else and you were practicing.

有些時候，我們一起坐在客廳裡，我在做別的事情，而你在練習。

So I sort of, I think I absorbed a little bit of the set of sounds and a couple bits of vocabulary, but I really didn't do very much on my own.

是以，我覺得我吸收了一些聲音和詞彙，但自己做的並不多。

I really wish I had done a little bit more.

Do we need to study Italian now and go back again in a few months?

我們現在需要學習意大利語，幾個月後再回去嗎？

For me, I had actually taken an adult night learning class in Italian like 10 years ago when I was in graduate school.

對我來說，其實 10 年前我還在讀研究所學生的時候，就參加過一個意大利語成人夜校學習班。

And that was, I remember our Italian teacher, he was fun, but no one was taking it super seriously.

我還記得我們的意大利語老師，他很有趣，但大家都不太認真。

It was mostly people who were just taking it for fun.

And then I did maybe two months before we left, I did start listening to an audio course by a teacher named Michel Thomas, or no, Michel Thomas.

在我們離開前兩個月，我開始聽一個叫米歇爾-托馬斯（Michel Thomas）的老師的音頻課程，不對，是米歇爾-托馬斯（Michel Thomas）。

I can't remember how exactly he pronounces his name.

我不記得他的名字到底是怎麼唸的了。

And I have fun with that, but I felt like he went really far with like conjugations before really teaching very much vocabulary at all.

我覺得這很有趣，但我覺得他在真正教授詞彙之前，就已經在變位等方面做得很好了。

I felt like I did not go into my trip with a very good vocabulary.

我覺得自己在旅行中並沒有掌握很好的詞彙。

Like he taught you how to use sentences and he was teaching conjugations.

比如他教你如何使用句子，他還教你變位。

So he was constantly using it as the object.

So like I didn't learn, I learned how to say it a lot.

所以，就像我沒學會一樣，我學會了怎麼說很多遍。

Because he was more concerned with the verb conjugations, it seemed.

So had I to do it again, I would have spent a little bit more time on vocabulary.

是以，如果再來一次，我會在詞彙上多花一點時間。

I also think I would have spent some time thinking about situations where I would want to be using English and then I would have sort of memorized a specific set of words.

我還認為，我會花一些時間思考我希望在哪些情況下使用英語，然後我會記住一組特定的單詞。

Did you study at all once you got to Italy?

到意大利後，您還學習過其他課程嗎？

I didn't study formally, but I was paying attention to various things and I think it was those small situations that you were just referencing where I really started to pay attention.

我沒有正式學習過，但我一直在關注各種事情，我想正是在你剛才提到的那些小情況下，我才真正開始關注。

The small everyday phrases, you know, how to say good afternoon or hi, how to say excuse me when I had done something that I had gotten in someone's way, how to say the numbers, you know, just one to five.

日常的小短語，你知道，如何說 "下午好 "或 "你好"，當我做了妨礙別人的事情時如何說 "對不起"，如何說數字，你知道，從一到五。

I hadn't even, you know, learned to do that before I left, how to say please and I'm sorry and thank you.

我甚至在離開之前還沒學會怎麼說 "請"、"對不起 "和 "謝謝"。

I was really paying attention to the native speakers around me in situations when they were saying those words, saying those phrases.

我真的很留意身邊以英語為母語的人在說這些單詞和短語時的情景。

I remember one time we were kind of discussing when you're cutting through a crowd, you know, when you're sort of getting in front of somebody, like what's the polite thing to say there?

我記得有一次，我們在討論當你穿過人群時，你知道，當你走到某人面前時，應該說什麼才算禮貌？

And I remember I thought I had, well, I had learned like scusa or scusi.

我記得我以為我已經學會了 "scusa "或 "scusi"。

I don't even remember now when you're cutting in or when you're trying to get someone's attention, but that's a different word.

我現在都不記得你是在插話，還是在試圖引起別人的注意，但那是另外一個詞了。

And I remember you felt like you had heard somebody say something like permetto.

我記得你好像聽到有人說過 permetto 這樣的話。

I heard that, no, it was, I think, scucciata.

我聽說，不，應該是 "scucciata"。

Like I was in line at the grocery store and they needed to get through the line.

就像我在雜貨店排隊，他們需要通過隊伍。

Let me just, let me just cut through a tiny bit.

And I was like, oh, whoa, that's how to use that.

我當時就想，哦，哇哦，原來是這麼用的。

It's so fun when you're, when you're hearing just a tiny phrase, so you actually have time to absorb it as someone who doesn't really know the language.

當你聽到一個小短語的時候，你就會覺得非常有趣，因為作為一個並不真正瞭解這種語言的人，你實際上有時間去吸收它。

When you're just hearing a tiny phrase and you're seeing exactly how it's used, that's so fun.

當你聽到一個小短語時，你會看到它是如何被準確使用的，這太有趣了。

When you were in a situation where you didn't know what to say, you knew in English what you would say, but you did not know how to say it in Italian.

當你遇到不知道該說什麼的情況時，你知道用英語該說什麼，但不知道用意大利語怎麼說。

I think that my default was to smile and obviously try to use some, some hand motions, sort of like put my hands together and sort of said, oh, excuse me, made it, made a motion for excuse me with a little bit of a bow.

我想，我的默認方式是微笑，並嘗試用一些手部動作，比如雙手合十，說 "哦，對不起"，做了一個鞠躬的動作，表示 "對不起"。

I mean, you know, it was, it was terrible.

我的意思是，你知道，這是，這是可怕的。

I felt like such, felt so incompetent and I was embarrassed.

我覺得自己就像這樣，覺得自己很無能，我很尷尬。

And I think that's why I wish that I would have spent even a couple hours on the basic phrases because it was incredibly embarrassing.

我想這就是為什麼我希望自己能花幾個小時來學習基本短語，因為這實在是太尷尬了。

You know, I realized once it was too late, wow, I am, I'm going through the world without these everyday phrases in hand and it's an incredible assumption or I'm imposing my ignorance on the entire world around me.

你知道，我意識到這一點時已經太晚了，哇，我，我在這個世界上走來走去，手裡卻沒有這些日常用語，這是一個令人難以置信的假設，或者說，我把我的無知強加給了我周圍的整個世界。

You know, not to be even able to say, I'm sorry for stepping on your toe in line.

你知道，甚至連 "很抱歉踩了你的腳趾 "這樣的話都不能說。

But just to say, I'm sorry, it's a really, I just realized I was imposing my ignorance onto people around me and I was  You're really relying on other people's kind of kindness.

但我只是想說，對不起，這真的是，我只是意識到我把自己的無知強加給了周圍的人，我是 你真的在依賴別人的善意。

I felt that way once I was, I was doing a little bit of shopping and I actually was surprised how intimidating I found that to go into a store and not knowing exactly the culture around like trying things on or whatever.

有一次，我在購物時發現了這種感覺，實際上，我很驚訝地發現，走進一家商店，對周圍的文化並不完全瞭解，比如試穿什麼的，是多麼令人生畏。

You know, I know exactly how everyone expects that to work in the US, but I didn't know how people expect it to work in Italy.

你知道，我很清楚在美國大家是怎麼想的，但我不知道在意大利大家是怎麼想的。

And most of the time I would go into a store and sort of look around and just leave because I was like too shy to do anything about it.

大多數時候，我會走進一家商店，四處看看，然後離開，因為我太害羞了，什麼也做不了。

And one time I was in a store and a woman approached me and said something and I didn't understand what she said.

有一次，我在一家商店裡，一個女人走過來對我說了些什麼，我不明白她說了什麼。

And I smiled and I said, I'm sorry, do you speak English?

我微笑著說：對不起，你會說英語嗎？

That is one thing I learned to say in Italian.

這是我學會用意大利語說的一句話。

That was a phrase I was using a lot, but it was nice to at least start in Italian.

這是我經常用的一句話，但至少能用意大利語開始也不錯。

And when she said, oh yes, and she switched to English, I just felt this sense of relief and I felt like it felt like an act of kindness on her part to identify where I was at and what I needed and to be willing to go there.

當她說 "哦，是的"，並改說英語時，我感到如釋重負，我覺得這是她的善意之舉，因為她發現了我的問題所在和我的需要，並願意幫助我。

And I was just thinking about, yeah, how just coming to someone is, you know, even though I was in Italy, you know, and I had made some effort to learn Italian, but it wasn't enough for her to so willingly switch to English.

我只是在想，是啊，儘管我當時在意大利，你知道，我也努力學習了意大利語，但這還不足以讓她心甘情願地改學英語。

Lots of people in other countries know English, especially people who would work in the tourist industry.

很多其他國家的人都懂英語，尤其是從事旅遊業的人。

But still, I think, you know, someone who's in that situation that's willing to really work on their English in order to be able to communicate with others is such a friendly and kind gesture.

但是，我仍然認為，你知道，一個處於這種情況下的人，為了能夠與他人交流而願意真正努力學習英語，是一種多麼友好和善良的姿態。

I went, when we were in Rome, there was a cheese shop right underneath the apartment that we were staying in.

我去的時候，我們在羅馬，我們住的公寓下面就有一家奶酪店。

我走過的時候都能聞到它的味道。

它看起來如此舒適、溫馨和真實。

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