Name: 馬克-馬龍（全集） | 柯南-奧布萊恩需要一位朋友 (Marc Maron (FULL EPISODE) | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend)
Uploaded: 2025-07-18T17:48:06.000Z
Duration: 24 min 8 s

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Hi, I'm Mark Maron, and I feel happy about being

大家好，我是馬克-馬龍，我很高興成為

過去簡單式

Said like a true hostage with a gun at his back.

說得就像一個揹著槍的真正人質。

All right, Mark Maron, I gotta talk to you about something.

好吧 馬克-馬龍 我得跟你說點事

Okay. This isn't happening because I'm here at Sirius XM in New York and look down the hall and I see there's Mark Maron and I bully you into talking to me because I have some things to say to you.

好吧 Okay.這不是真的 因為我在紐約的天狼星XM頻道 看了看大廳裡的馬克-馬龍 然後我欺負你要跟我說話 因為我有些話要跟你說

I did feel bullied, but we have a long history.

我確實覺得自己被欺負了，但我們有很長的歷史。

And I thought, well, you know, this is not different than it's ever been.

我想，你知道，這和以往沒什麼不同。

So I'll do whatever Conan needs me to do.

First of all, the other day, it pops up on every screen I have that Mark Maron is saying goodbye to his podcast.

首先，前幾天，我的每個螢幕上都彈出了馬克-馬龍即將告別他的播客的消息。

So I need to talk to him about it because-

All you guys have gone on to do great things and you don't need me anymore.

你們都做了大事，不再需要我了。

You were doing a podcast when no one knew what a podcast was.

在沒有人知道播客是什麼的時候，你就開始做播客了。

And I remembered when Barack Obama, a sitting US president, went to your house to do your podcast.

我還記得美國現任總統巴拉克-奧巴馬曾去你家做播客。

And I thought, you've broken through some barrier.

我想，你已經突破了某些障礙。

And we had a history before that, which is when I was first doing the late night show at Dark Times, 93, I mean, I was loving doing it, but we were gonna get canceled any minute.

在那之前，我們有過一段歷史，那是我第一次在《黑暗時代》做深夜節目的時候，93 年，我是說，我很喜歡做這個節目，但我們隨時都會被取消。

A lot of people, the word was out, don't do that show, it won't be on long.

很多人都在說，別做那個節目，它不會長久的。

Well, there were plenty of people, including NBC that were willing to write my death certificate and you would consistently come on and you would panel.

有很多人，包括美國全國廣播公司（NBC）都願意為我寫死亡證明，而你會一直上節目，做小組討論。

And I don't think people, you know, it's not that people knew who you were then.

They don't know, they didn't know who I was.

他們不知道，他們不知道我是誰。

They were coming to see late night with Conan O'Brien and they weren't sure who this kid was.

他們是來看柯南-奧布萊恩的深夜節目的，他們不確定這孩子是誰。

And so the crowd doesn't know who you are.

這樣，觀眾就不知道你是誰了。

You'd sit down and it was fascinating to me.

你坐下來，我就會被它深深吸引。

Mark Maron would dig a hole, crowd not like, they started out neutral.

馬克-馬龍會挖個洞，觀眾不喜歡，他們一開始是中立的。

You would dig a hole where they're like, I don't like this.

你會挖一個洞，讓他們覺得我不喜歡這樣。

我不知道他是誰，這個人是誰？

And you would comment on how you would dug a hole, which is a rule that, you know, the great artists I think break the rules.

你會評論你是如何挖洞的，這是一個規則，你知道，我認為偉大的藝術家會打破常規。

The classic rule is never tell people this isn't working.

最經典的規則是，永遠不要告訴別人這行不通。

I know Freddie Roman once said to me, never admit you're bombing.

我知道弗雷迪-羅曼曾經對我說過，永遠不要承認你在轟炸。

And so you were out there talking about on my panel, this isn't working.

所以，你在我的小組討論中說，這行不通。

And telling the audience that, and then I'd hear laughter, more laughter, more laughter, and you would kill.

然後告訴觀眾，然後我就會聽到笑聲，更多的笑聲，更多的笑聲，你會殺了我。

So you always did this thing where you would dig yourself into a hole and then come out of it and shoot out of it, like this geyser.

所以你總是這樣，把自己挖進一個洞裡，然後從裡面鑽出來，像噴泉一樣噴出來。

And just by a cosmic timing and coincidental talent, you know, it worked out.

就這樣，在天時地利人和的巧合下，我們成功了。

But I was talking about this to somebody recently about doing the appearances on your show.

不過，我最近和別人談到了這個問題，說要在你的節目中露面。

I was talking to Richter because I did his podcast last week.

我和里克特聊過，因為上週我做了他的播客。

And I said, that was the pattern that you and I established.

我說，這就是你我建立的模式。

I was really trying in that first minute.

I didn't go out there saying every time that like, oh good, I'm going to do that thing I do where I alienate the audience completely right when I get out there to try to get them back.

我沒有每次都說，哦，太好了，我要做我做過的那種事，我一出場就完全疏遠觀眾，試圖把他們拉回來。

I went out there wanting that first joke to work every time.

我每次都希望第一個笑話能成功。

I think I generally come in hot and you know, and I always knew that they didn't really know me and I always wanted to just, the reason I always wanted to do panel with you is because when I watched Letterman coming up as a kid,

我想我一般都會很熱情，你知道，我一直都知道他們並不真正瞭解我，我一直都想和你一起做小組討論，原因是我小時候看過萊特曼的節目、

I always liked Richard Lewis and I liked Jay Leno.

我一直很喜歡理查德-劉易斯，也很喜歡傑-雷諾。

The guys that did panel to me, it was more interesting.

那些給我做面板的傢伙更有趣。

So very quickly, I tried to, you know, get into that relationship with you.

所以很快，我就試著，你知道的，和你建立這種關係。

I think because we had a good rapport, but also because I was very easy to book on a short notice.

我想，這不僅是因為我們關係融洽，還因為我很容易在短時間內被預訂。

Oh, we would, you know, we would get you when Al Roker dropped out.

哦，我們會的，你知道，當艾爾-羅克爾退出的時候，我們會找你的。

And Paula would call me and be like, look, what are you doing tomorrow?

寶拉會打電話給我，說你明天要做什麼？

Well, no, she would say, what are you doing in an hour?

不，她會說，一小時後你要做什麼？

People started watching the show, our show started to gradually find itself and you had been there all along.

人們開始觀看節目，我們的節目開始逐漸找到自我，而你一直都在那裡。

And then what we said to all comics is, you know, short of it being a Jerry Seinfeld or some, you know, iconic comic, you have to come out and you have to, you do your set.

然後，我們對所有的喜劇演員說，你知道，除非是傑瑞-宋飛（Jerry Seinfeld）或其他什麼標誌性的喜劇演員，否則你必須出來，你必須做你的表演。