Name: 直播：英國外交事務委員會就以色列-伊朗衝突舉行聽證會 (LIVE: UK Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on Israel-Iran conflict)
Uploaded: 2025-06-17T16:14:25.000Z
Duration: 43 min 18 s

and the foundations of the United Nations.

We thank those members of the Security Council who stood on the right side of the history.

我們感謝那些站在歷史正確一邊的安全理事會成員。

We also thank our regional partners in various mechanism including the OIC and group of friends of the defense of the United Nations Charter for their principle stand and their joint statement in condemning this aggression and supporting Iran's right to self-defense.

我們還感謝我們在各種機制中的區域夥伴，包括伊斯蘭會議組織和捍衛《聯合國憲章》之友小組，感謝它們譴責這一侵略和支持伊朗自衛權的原則立場和聯合聲明。

Iran will continue to exercise its right to self-defense until Israeli regime aggression stops or the international community, especially the Security Council, takes a meaningful action.

伊朗將繼續行使自衛權，直到以色列政權停止侵略或國際社會特別是安全理事會採取有意義的行動。

Yesterday, we have sent another letter to address the Security General and Security Council repeating our urgent request.

昨天，我們再次致函安全大會和安全理事會，重申我們的緊急請求。

We call the Security Council to condemn this act of aggression, hold aggressors and their enabler accountable, take the urgent action to prevent further aggression.

我們呼籲安全理事會譴責這一侵略行徑，追究侵略者及其支持者的責任，並採取緊急行動防止進一步的侵略。

Inaction will only embolden the aggressor and weaken the rule of law.

不作為只會讓侵略者更加膽大妄為，削弱法治。

The challenge is very clear, Your Excellency.

I'm so sorry to interrupt and I don't mean to be disrespectful but because we only have until 4 o'clock where we're going to have a number of votes and we have about, I think we may have about 10 questions for you.

我很抱歉打斷你們，我無意冒犯，但因為我們只有到 4 點鐘才能進行投票，我們有大約 10 個問題要問你們。

It will damage the credibility of the United Nations and its achievements in maintaining international peace and security and rule of law in international levels.

這將損害聯合國的信譽及其在維護國際和平與安全以及國際法治方面所取得的成就。

Let us not forget, Israel is only regime in our region with nuclear weapons.

我們不要忘記，以色列是本地區唯一擁有核武器的政權。

It's refused to join the NPT and place its facilities under the IAEA safeguards.

它拒絕加入《不擴散條約》，拒絕將其設施置於國際原子能機構的保障監督之下。

It has attacked almost all of its neighbors and continues to commit atrocity without consequences.

它襲擊了幾乎所有鄰國，並繼續犯下暴行而不承擔任何後果。

Iran will continue to act within the framework of international law.

伊朗將繼續在國際法框架內行事。

We will defend ourselves lawfully and proportionately but its primary responsibility of international community, including United Kingdom, to maintain international peace and security.

我們將進行合法和適度的自衛，但維護國際和平與安全是包括聯合王國在內的國際社會的首要責任。

The international community must act now to stop the genocidal aggressor from committing further atrocity against our people.

國際社會必須立即行動起來，阻止滅絕種族的侵略者對我國人民犯下更多暴行。

I thank you, Madam Terpere, for your attention and other distinguished ladies and gentlemen.

特佩雷女士，感謝您和其他尊敬的女士們、先生們的關注。

Let me begin by, I think, the question that many members of the British public may be asking and they've heard it from those who have been thinking about this and particularly those who are friends with Israel and who believe in Israel's right to exist and to be able to live in peace.

首先，我想，許多英國公眾可能會問這樣一個問題，他們已經從那些一直在思考這個問題的人那裡聽到了這個問題，特別是那些與以色列為友、相信以色列有權生存並能夠和平生活的人。

And what they say is this, what is Israel to do when they have a belligerent neighbor who says things like Ahmadinejad said in 2005 that Israel should be wiped from the map or that the Supreme Leader said that Israel was a dangerous and fatal cancer or the Supreme Leader said with Allah's help there will be no such thing as a Zionist regime in 25 years.

他們說的是，當以色列有一個好戰的鄰居，說著像艾哈邁迪-內賈德在 2005 年說的那樣，以色列應該從地圖上消失，或者最高領袖說以色列是一個危險的致命癌症，或者最高領袖說在真主的幫助下，25 年後將沒有猶太復國主義政權這樣的話時，以色列該怎麼辦？

There's also, it is thought, that Iran supports and arms the Houthis, supports Hamas and Hezbollah and that they're being used as proxies to attack Israel.

還有人認為，伊朗支持胡塞武裝併為其提供武器，支持哈馬斯和真主黨，他們被用作攻擊以色列的代理人。

And then they see evidence of Iran not just having nuclear material which is at 3.6% which is the amount that is necessary for civilian use but continues to enrich it and certainly is at 60%.

然後，他們看到的證據表明，伊朗不僅擁有 3.6%的核材料（這是民用所需的數量），而且還在繼續濃縮，而且肯定達到了 60%。

It may even be at 80 to 90% purity and 90% purity is what's needed for a bomb.

它的純度甚至可能達到 80% 到 90%，而 90% 的純度正是炸彈所需要的。

So those looking at this situation say, well,

是以，看到這種情況的人會說，好吧、

Israel may not have been directly attacked but it looks like Iran may have up to 90% purity.

以色列可能沒有受到直接攻擊，但看起來伊朗的純度可能高達 90%。

They have proxies who are attacking it and there is this belligerent language.

他們的代理人正在對其進行攻擊，並使用了好戰的語言。

And I think that question is an important one for me to ask you and it's important for us to be able to have an answer.

我認為，這個問題對我來說很重要，我們必須要有一個答案。

I appreciate it's quite a profound one and I also just want to, if it's possible to give short answers.

我知道這是一個相當深奧的問題，如果可以的話，我也只想簡短地回答一下。

If it's at all possible to answer such a profound question shortly.

如果能在短時間內回答這樣一個深刻的問題。

這是不可能的，但我正在努力。

But we have a number of other questions to pile on after that.

但在此之後，我們還有很多其他問題要問。

First of all, let me come to the raison d'etre of the establishment of the Israeli regime.

首先，請允許我談談建立以色列政權的理由。

Israeli regime established on occupation, established in apartheid, established for, you know, without any application of the right to self-determination of the Palestinian people.

以色列政權建立在佔領的基礎上，建立在種族隔離的基礎上，建立的目的，你知道的，就是為了巴勒斯坦人民的自決權。

If you want to have a good analysis, you should go to the history and study more about the details of these problems that we have in our region.

如果你想有一個很好的分析，你應該去了解歷史，研究更多關於我們地區這些問題的細節。

Okay, regarding for the matters related from the Iranian side, regarding for the, you see, some say, you mentioned that President Ahmadinejad or someone else.

好的，關於伊朗方面的相關事宜，你看，有人說，你提到了艾哈邁迪-內賈德總統或其他人。

We always reiterated to the, you know, convening of the one very public and fair referendum in the occupied territory.

我們一直重申，要在被佔領土上舉行一次非常公開和公平的全民投票。

With the participation of the Jewish people, Christians, and Muslims, in line with the self-determination of the people who are living there.

在猶太人、基督徒和穆斯林的參與下，按照生活在那裡的人民的自決原則。

There is no intention from the Iranian side to go to the military phase.

這就是，這就是主要問題所在。

This is the main fundamental argument that we have.

Regarding for the, you mentioned so-called proxies, no.

關於你提到的所謂代理人，沒有。

In Yemeni people or in Palestinian people who, you know, the Hamas people, all of them, they are not liberation organization.

在葉門人民或巴勒斯坦人民中，你知道，哈馬斯人民，所有這些人，他們都不是解放組織。

They are trying to, you know, to achieve the self-determination to punish the occupiers.

他們試圖通過自決來懲罰佔領者。

Funding to ideological groups that share your view, and they are delivering the outcome that Iran wishes.

向與你觀點相同的意識形態團體提供資金，而他們正在實現伊朗所希望的結果。

You see, that we have the very importance, you know,

你看，我們有非常重要的意義，你知道的、

Islamic revolution is the source of inspiration all of the people in our region.

伊斯蘭革命是激勵本地區所有人的源泉。

Islamic revolution, you know, insisted in self-determination.

And the elimination of all of the discrimination and apartheid in our region.

消除本地區的一切歧視和種族隔離。

This is only legal matters according to the international law.

根據國際法，這只是法律問題。

From the Iranian side, that that inspired them.

伊朗方面認為，這激勵了他們。

No, according to our international cooperation with the international cooperation with all of the world.

不，根據我們與全世界的國際合作。

Your Excellency, you're saying that all that Iran supplies to the Houthis, to Hamas, and Hezbollah is inspiration.

閣下，你是說伊朗向胡塞武裝、哈馬斯和真主黨提供的都是靈感。

That there is no assistance of any other sort.

There's no weapons or any other support given to those groups by Iran.

伊朗沒有向這些組織提供武器或任何其他支持。

You see, that Iran as a sovereign state has their own international cooperation with all of the world.

你看，伊朗作為一個主權國家，與全世界都有自己的國際合作。

As your government has international cooperation with the Israeli region.

貴國政府與以色列地區開展了國際合作。

That it is very important and fundamental.

If you want to intervene our relations with the other people, it's prohibited by international law.

如果你想幹涉我們與其他人的關係，這是國際法所禁止的。

They are inspired by the Iranian Islamic revolution.

他們受到伊朗伊斯蘭革命的啟發。

Islamic revolution is a very important source of the self-determination.

伊斯蘭革命是自決的重要源泉。

And so for, you know, you see the combating all of the apartheid and discrimination in this region.

是以，你知道，你看到的是打擊該地區所有種族隔離和歧視的鬥爭。

Not only this region, but also for all of the world.

You know, at that time that we had the same problem with the South Africa apartheid regime.

要知道，當時我們與南非種族隔離政權也有同樣的問題。

Before we go into that, may I go back to Edward.

在我們討論這個問題之前，請允許我回到愛德華的話題。

Because I think you've got a wider question about where next.

因為我認為你有一個更廣泛的問題，那就是下一步該怎麼走。

I do. I would take a slightly different view to what you've just outlined, Ambassador.

我是這麼認為的。大使，我的看法與您剛才概述的略有不同。

I mean, members of the IRGC have been assassinated in Lebanon.

我的意思是，伊斯蘭革命衛隊成員在黎巴嫩遭到暗殺。

They've been assassinated in Iraq, providing military training to Iranian proxies.

他們在伊拉克被暗殺，為伊朗代理人提供軍事訓練。

So the idea that Iran isn't providing material support to countries that are attacking Israel,

是以，伊朗沒有向攻擊以色列的國家提供物質支持的說法是不成立的、

I'm not sure is backed up by the evidence on the ground.

我不確定這是否有實地證據支持。

In terms of what Iran's escalation options are, is it Iran's intention to close the Straits of Hormuz?

就伊朗的升級選擇而言，伊朗是否打算關閉霍爾木茲海峽？

Is it Iran's intentions to close the Straits of Hormuz?

伊朗是否打算關閉霍爾木茲海峽？

Yes. First of all, regarding for the, you know, our activities in Lebanon, in south of Lebanon, it comes to according to the request for their people and their government.

是的。首先，關於我們在黎巴嫩（黎巴嫩南部）的活動，你知道，這是根據黎巴嫩人民和政府的要求進行的。

Because the Israeli regime invaded the Lebanon.

因為以色列政權入侵了黎巴嫩。

Because the Israeli regime invaded the Lebanon, and the Lebanese people, Lebanese, you know, government requested to help them.

因為以色列政權入侵了黎巴嫩，而黎巴嫩人民，你知道，黎巴嫩政府請求幫助他們。

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