I will raise my voice and stand my ground.

我會大聲疾呼，堅持自己的立場。

Well, it looks like it might be a hard road, but I'm gonna walk it with you.

好吧，看起來這可能是條艱難的路，但我會和你一起走下去。

The Democrats' anti-Doge choir is back with a fresh new track.

民主黨的反多哥合唱團又推出了新曲目。

It's almost as painful as Greg's bumpin' music.

這幾乎和格雷格的音樂一樣痛苦。

Those liberal lunatics capping off another week of anti-Elon rallies, raging against the waste management wizards.

這些自由派的瘋子們又為一週的反埃隆集會畫上了句號，他們怒斥廢物管理奇才。

Doge now has a website that's keeping score on all the government slop they're digging up.

Doge 現在有一個網站，對他們挖出的所有政府泔水進行記分。

Case in point, the Department of Education just had to slash grants to four equity assistance centers, blowing $33 million of your taxpayer cash on things like this workshop on whiteness.

舉例來說，教育部剛剛削減了對四個公平援助中心的撥款，將納稅人的3300萬美元花在了像這個白人問題研討會這樣的事情上。

Today's virtual roundtable is entitled

今天的虛擬圓桌會議題為

Identifying and Disrupting Your Whiteness, a workshop addressing power and privilege toward anti-racist faces.

識別和破壞你的白人身份，這是一個討論權力和特權的研討會，旨在反種族主義。

And we just got an exclusive clip,

我們剛剛得到一個獨家片段、

Sean Hannity sitting down with President Trump and Elon Musk for their first joint interview. Let's watch.

肖恩-漢尼蒂（Sean Hannity）與特朗普總統和埃隆-馬斯克（Elon Musk）坐在一起，接受他們的首次聯合採訪。讓我們拭目以待。

You're both aware, you have to be keenly aware, that the media and the punditry class, not that, you know, I think you've proven they have no power anymore, because they threw everything they had at you, and they didn't win.

你們都意識到，你們必須敏銳地意識到，媒體和學究階層，不是說，你知道，我認為你已經證明了他們已經沒有權力了，因為他們把一切都扔給了你，但他們沒有贏。

And that was, you know, the New York Times, Washington Post, three networks, every late night comedy show, two cable channels, they just threw everything, warfare, weaponization.

你知道，《紐約時報》、《華盛頓郵報》、三大電視網、每一個深夜喜劇節目、兩個有線電視頻道，他們無所不用其極地報道戰爭、武器化。

And now I see, they want you two to start, they want a divorce, they want you two to start hating each other, and they try, oh, President Elon Musk, for example.

現在我明白了，他們想讓你們倆開始，他們想離婚，他們想讓你們倆開始憎恨對方，他們還試圖，哦，比如說，埃隆-馬斯克總統。

You do know that they're doing that to you?

你知道他們這樣對你嗎？

Oh, I see it all the time. They tried it, then they stopped.

哦，我經常看到這種情況。他們試過，然後就停止了。

They have many different things of hatred.

他們有許多不同的仇恨。

Actually, Elon called me, he said, you know, they're trying to drive us apart. I said, absolutely.

事實上，埃隆給我打過電話 他說，他們想把我們分開我說 當然

No, they said, we have breaking news.

不，他們說，我們有突發新聞。

Donald Trump has ceded control of the presidency to Elon Musk.

唐納德-特朗普把總統職位的控制權讓給了埃隆-馬斯克。

President Musk will be attending a cabinet meeting tonight at 8 o'clock.

馬斯克總統今晚 8 點將出席內閣會議。

And I say, it's just so obvious.

我說，這太明顯了。

They're so bad at it. I used to think they were good at it.

他們太不擅長了。我以前覺得他們很在行。

They're actually bad at it, because if they were good at it, they'd be president, because I think nobody in history has ever gotten more bad publicity than me.

他們其實不擅長這個，因為如果他們擅長這個，他們就能當總統了，因為我認為歷史上沒有人比我得到過更多的負面報道。

I could do the greatest things. I get 98% bad publicity.

我可以做最偉大的事情。我得到了 98% 的壞消息。

I could do, outside of you and a few of your very good friends, it's like the craziest thing.

我可以的，除了你和你的幾個好朋友，這是最瘋狂的事情。

But you know what I have learned, Elon? The people are smart. They get it.

但你知道我學到了什麼嗎，埃隆？人們很聰明。他們明白

Yeah, they do, right.

是的，他們是這麼做的，沒錯。

They get it. They really see what's happening.

他們明白了。他們真的明白髮生了什麼。

That interview airs next Tuesday at 9 o'clock Eastern.

訪談將於下週二東部時間 9 點播出。

All right, Judge Jeanine, more singing from the Democrats.

好了，珍寧法官，民主黨人又要唱歌了

Yeah.

是啊

Are you enjoying that?

你喜歡這樣嗎？

I have to tell you that there is no better way for the Democrats to continue to destroy themselves than to continue on this mission that they have with the F-Trump and F-Elon and the singing.

我必須告訴你們，對於民主黨人來說，沒有比繼續執行 "F-特朗普"、"F-埃隆 "和 "唱歌 "的使命更好的自毀方式了。

When the American people are like, we get this, just the way President Trump was saying, we get this.

當美國人民就像特朗普總統所說的那樣，"我們明白了"。

We want to know where all the expenditures are going.

我們想知道所有支出的去向。

I just said to someone, did you know that $22 billion went to illegals from Joe Biden over two years, I think actually a year and a half, for them to buy a house and buy a car and start a business when senior citizens and veterans are homeless or trying to figure out medication or food.

我剛跟別人說，你知道嗎，喬-拜登在兩年多的時間裡，我想實際上是一年半的時間裡，給了非法移民220億美元，讓他們買房、買車、創業，而老年人和退伍軍人卻無家可歸，或想方設法解決藥物或食物問題。

So I just hope the Democrats continue to go down that road.

是以，我只希望民主黨繼續沿著這條路走下去。

Now, 14 attorney generals across the country are now suing, saying that Elon Musk doing this is a violation of the appointments clause and he lacks Senate confirmation and he's got too much private information at his hands.

現在，全國有 14 位司法部長提起訴訟，稱埃隆-馬斯克這樣做違反了任命條款，他沒有得到參議院的確認，手中掌握了太多的私人資訊。

You know what?

你知道嗎？

It's nothing more than politically motivated attempt to destroy and hide because there's the prosecutor, I say to myself, like who is against exposing fraud and corruption?

我對自己說，誰會反對揭露欺詐和腐敗呢？

The ones who are at risk of being charged with fraud and corruption and the ones who favor a bureaucracy.

有可能被控欺詐和腐敗的人，以及偏愛官僚主義的人。

Let the Dems do it.

讓民主黨去做吧。

They'll lose again.

他們還會輸的。

We're seeing polling in Arizona from swing state people.

我們在亞利桑那州看到了搖擺州民眾的民調。

Kennedy, they want them to keep going.

肯尼迪，他們希望他們繼續前進。

They say keep cutting.

他們說繼續削減。

They love it.

他們很喜歡。

It was actually a very interesting polling group because it was people who had voted for Biden in 2020 who then switched their votes to Trump in 2024 because Bidenomics, as was the case for most people in the country, it didn't work out for them.

這實際上是一個非常有趣的民意調查群體，因為這些人在 2020 年投票給拜登，然後在 2024 年改投特朗普，因為拜登經濟學對這個國家的大多數人來說都是如此，對他們來說並不奏效。

So it didn't work out for them because their taxes are too high, eggs are too expensive, people still are having a hard time making mortgage payments and paying the rent and affording college and everything else.

是以，這對他們來說並不奏效，因為他們的稅收太高，雞蛋太貴，人們仍然很難支付抵押貸款、房租、上大學和其他一切費用。

So now they're realizing where that hard-earned tax money is actually going.

是以，他們現在才意識到，辛苦掙來的稅款究竟去了哪裡。

And the more we hear about $160 million going to a Canadian electric school bus factory that has now declared bankruptcy and never made good on their promise to deliver school buses, 100 million of them, to 55 school districts in the country, it's like that's where my money has gone?

我們越是聽到有 1.6 億美元流向加拿大一家電動校車工廠，而這家工廠現在已經宣佈破產，並且從未兌現向全國 55 個學區提供 1 億輛校車的承諾，就越覺得我的錢去了哪裡？

They actually want more of it because the feeling is if you cut out entire departments and if you shed sunlight on all of this waste and abuse, then maybe taxes will finally come down.

實際上，他們想要更多，因為他們覺得，如果把整個部門都砍掉，如果把所有這些浪費和濫用的現象都晒在陽光下，那麼也許稅收最終會下降。

Then maybe federal expenditures will come down.

這樣一來，聯邦支出也許就會減少。

And I'm shocked that Democrats haven't gotten on board with this and gone, you know what?

讓我感到震驚的是，民主黨人還沒有意識到這一點，沒有 "你知道嗎？

We're not helping people if we're swirling this money away to projects that do absolutely nothing.

如果我們把這些錢浪費在毫無用處的項目上，那就不是在幫助人們。

We're Democrats.

我們是民主黨人。

We're the party of the working man.

我們是勞動人民的政黨。

So let's ferret out the abuse and find better, less expensive ways to truly help people.

是以，讓我們找出濫用的情況，找到更好、更省錢的方法來真正幫助人們。

But they're not doing that, and that's dumb.

但他們沒有這麼做，這太愚蠢了。

Why can't they just have a reasonable position, Harold, where they thread the needle and say, yeah, we don't need the sex changes for the Guatemalans.

哈羅德，為什麼他們就不能有一個合理的立場，他們穿針引線，說，是的，我們不需要為瓜地馬拉人改變性別。

We don't need the DEI operas.

我們不需要 DEI 歌劇。

But maybe we could just do this in a little bit of a more constitutional way.

但也許我們可以用更符合憲法的方式來做這件事。

Good to be with you, Kennedy.

很高興和你在一起 肯尼迪

Good to see you.

很高興見到你

I think in Happy Valentine's Day, I think a couple things.

在《情人節快樂》中，我想到了幾件事。

Well, Harold.

哈羅德

Thank you.

謝謝。

I didn't think we were at that level.

我認為我們還沒有達到那個水準。

We're not.

我們沒有。

Nowhere will we ever be.

我們將永遠無處可去。

But I was really wishing all of the viewers a Happy Valentine's Day.

但我真的是在祝所有觀眾情人節快樂。

I'd say, Tim, I think that Kennedy touches on something with the Arizona swing voters.

我想說，蒂姆，我認為肯尼迪觸及了亞利桑那州搖擺選民的一些問題。

The Democrats need to be mindful.

民主黨需要注意。

These were Democrats, or at least voted Democrat, then voted Republican this last go-round.

這些人曾是民主黨人，或至少投過民主黨票，然後在上一輪投票中投了共和黨票。

How they're perceiving this and how they're evaluating.

他們如何看待這個問題，如何進行評估。

This is the group that Democrats, I think, those that are singing outside the agencies and outside the Capitol,

我認為，這就是民主黨人，那些在各機構和國會大廈外唱歌的人、

I think this is the group they're trying to appeal to, but they're not.

我想這就是他們想要吸引的群體，但他們沒有。

A separate survey that Gallup conducted showed that 45% of Democrats think that Democrats need to be more moderate.

蓋洛普公司進行的另一項調查顯示，45% 的民主黨人認為民主黨人需要更加溫和。

It's an 11-point increase from just three or four years ago.

與三四年前相比，增加了 11 個百分點。

These are the things we should be taking note of.

這些都是我們應該注意的。

Now, what President Trump and Mr. Musk and others are doing with this doge and some of the other things, this is not a sprint.

現在，特朗普總統和馬斯克先生以及其他人正在做的這件事和其他一些事情，並不是短跑。

This is a marathon.

這是一場馬拉松。

This is only four weeks in here.

這才來了四個星期。

We've got a long way to go.

我們還有很長的路要走。

Democrats, if you are serious about wanting to reform government, then offer your own ideas.

民主黨人，如果你們真想改革政府，那就提出自己的想法吧。

Offer other ideas to make government operate more efficiently.

提出其他想法，使政府運作更有效率。

Offer more ideas to help cut spending and to bring our deficit down and to help tackle this enormous $36 to $37 trillion deficit that we have.

提出更多想法，幫助削減開支，降低赤字，幫助解決我們面臨的 36 至 37 萬億美元的鉅額赤字。

I think Donald Trump knows something as well.

我認為唐納德-特朗普也知道些什麼。

If we are six months from today, or when we're six months from today, and he is still not engaging Congress,

如果六個月後的今天，或者六個月後的今天，他仍然沒有與國會接觸、

I think right now not engaging Congress is serving him well.

我認為，現在不與國會接觸對他很有利。

Democrat, Republican alike, they can't wrap their heads around the speed and the scale in which he is operating at this point.

無論是民主黨還是共和黨，他們都無法理解他目前的行動速度和規模。

But if you, in that same poll of Arizona voters, it showed that people are giving the president a little latitude in benefit of the doubt on inflation.

但在亞利桑那州選民的同一項民意調查中，人們對總統在通貨膨脹問題上的疑慮給予了一定的寬容。

If we found ourselves with high prices like we have today, six months from now, eight months from now, and Republicans can't come together in the House and the Senate around a border security bill, which they seem to be squabbling about right now, even a long-term budget deal, we may have a different conversation.

如果我們發現自己面臨像今天這樣的高物價，六個月後，八個月後，共和黨人無法在眾議院和參議院圍繞邊境安全法案（他們現在似乎正在爭論這個問題）達成一致，甚至無法達成長期預算協議，我們可能會有不同的對話。

But as we sit here today, Jesse, I agree with you, and I agree with Kennedy, this is not a moment to be singing outside of agencies.

但今天我們坐在這裡，傑西，我同意你的觀點，也同意肯尼迪的觀點，現在不是在機構外唱歌的時候。

This is a moment to get serious about a plan, about a set of ideas, and frankly, how we would make government operate more efficiently.

現在，我們應該認真地制定一項計劃，提出一系列想法，坦率地說，我們將如何使政府更有效地運作。

If you could doze one thing at this table, Harold, would it be Greg's collar?

如果你能在這張桌子上打一個盹，哈羅德，會是格雷格的項圈嗎？

I like Greg's collar.

我喜歡格雷格的衣領。

I'd let him doze it.

我會讓他打瞌睡。

Doze, doze, doze.

瞌睡，瞌睡，瞌睡

It's a different term.

這是一個不同的術語。

Greg?

格雷格？

Jesse.

傑西

How are you feeling today?

今天感覺如何？

I'm feeling great.

我感覺很好。

You look great.

你看起來棒極了。

And thank you for the chocolate.

謝謝你的巧克力。

You're welcome.

不客氣。

I know Belgian is your favorite.

我知道比利時人是你的最愛。

I'm talking to Harold about can they do a reasonable position.

我跟哈羅德說的是，他們能不能做一個合理的定位。

It's hard because that lane is taken.

這很難，因為那條車道已經被佔用了。

When you say reasonable position, you mean common sense.

你說的合理立場是指常識。

So that's the high ground, and there's nothing around a high ground.

這就是制高點，而制高點周圍什麼都沒有。

I'm not interested in saying the Democrats suck.

我沒興趣說民主黨很爛。

Leave that to outnumbered.

那就留給寡不敵眾的人吧。

I say right now you suck, but here's what you've got to do to get out of it.

我說現在你很差勁，但你必須這樣做才能擺脫困境。

I think a lot of Dems, you know, people watch this show.

我想很多民主黨人都會看這個節目。

There are more Democrats watching this show than CNN and MSNBC combined.

收看這個節目的民主黨人比 CNN 和 MSNBC 加起來還要多。

So they come here for some kind of free therapy, and I'm here to give it to you because I actually want them to join us, and the Democrats have a choice to join the good guys or become a Bond villain because if you're going to defend waste, fraud, and abuse, you are basically embracing the life of a Bond villain.

民主黨人可以選擇加入好人行列，或者成為邦德的惡棍，因為如果你要為浪費、欺詐和濫用辯護，你基本上就是在接受邦德惡棍的生活。

Actually, it's worse than that.

事實上，情況比這更糟。

It's like you ever watch a zombie movie and you go like, you know, it would be just so much easier to get bitten and become a zombie because then you're no longer terrified.

就像你看過殭屍電影，你會想，你知道，被咬一口變成殭屍會容易得多，因為那樣你就不再害怕了。

Yeah, I do that.

是的，我是這麼做的。

I go like just get bitten.

我就像被咬了一口。

That's what I think a lot of Dems are doing is that they're embracing a role that is just easier, but it forbids them from ever becoming the good guy.

這就是我認為很多民主黨人正在做的事情，他們正在接受一個更容易的角色，但這卻禁止他們成為好人。

They're becoming a zombie, and I think this is a bigger moment than maybe most people realize.

他們正在變成殭屍，我認為這是一個比大多數人意識到的更重要的時刻。

This is, I think, the biggest political moment since the fall of communism.

我認為，這是自共產主義垮臺以來最大的政治時刻。

In that case, that end was definitive.

在這種情況下，結局是確定的。

The wall comes down.

牆倒了

USSR dissolves.

蘇聯解體。

Suddenly communism just evaporates except in colleges.

突然之間，除了在大學裡，共產主義就煙消雲散了。

For the Democrats, the wall has come down, and many of their leaders sense that the Democrat Party of before is dead.

對於民主黨來說，圍牆已經倒塌，他們的許多領導人都意識到，以前的民主黨已經死了。

It's not in need of a rebrand.

它不需要重塑品牌。

It's in need of a full body and mind transplant, and it's really hard to do that when you still have that stuff, the singing, the equity, the DEI.

它需要全身心的移植，而當你還擁有那些東西，歌唱、股權和 DEI 時，要做到這一點真的很難。

I don't think you can underestimate how wokeness, which is fueled by identity politics, essentially cultural Marxism, infected the party and ate it out, devoured it from the inside.

我不認為你可以低估由身份政治（本質上是文化馬克思主義）所助長的 "無意識 "是如何感染併吞噬黨的，如何從內部吞噬黨的。

In a way, it's very similar to what happened to USSR except it happened to a party, not a country.

在某種程度上，這與蘇聯的遭遇非常相似，只不過發生在一個政黨而非國家身上。

So I think that the Dems, my advice is to stop thinking about the role as an adversary to Trump.

是以，我認為民主黨的建議是，不要再把自己的角色想成特朗普的對手。

You have to ask yourself, what are we?

你必須捫心自問，我們是什麼？

You may find out that you're not anything anymore, and then they have to decide what does that mean?

你可能會發現自己什麼都不是了，然後他們必須決定這意味著什麼？

Do I leave this party?

我要離開這個派對嗎？

Do we start something new?

我們要重新開始嗎？

What would that new thing be?

這個新事物是什麼？

Because it's really hard to find an oppositional point to Trump because he's neither conservative, right?

因為特朗普既不是保守派，所以很難找到與之對立的觀點，對嗎？

He's neither liberal.

他既不是自由主義者。

He's basically a populist, and it's hard to get footing when the guy is picking 80-20 popular issues.

他基本上是一個民粹主義者，當他選擇 80-20 的熱門話題時，很難站穩腳跟。

It's like when you said a reasonable position, every one of them is taken.

就像你說的合理立場，每一個都被採納了。

And you're welcoming Democrats to go on this road of self-discovery here on The Five.

歡迎民主黨人在 "五人小組 "走上這條自我探索之路。

I think that it's very hard to join the good guys if it's a blow to your ego and the opportunity costs that you've already dropped into your side.

我認為，如果這對你的自尊心是一個打擊，而且你已經付出了機會成本，那麼你就很難加入好人的行列。

Greg, I'd give you even more credit.

格雷格，我會給你更多的榮譽。

I think it's the Republican Party and Democrat Party, as we know it today, that is flummoxed and frankly has to reinvent itself.

我認為，我們今天所知道的共和黨和民主黨已經陷入困境，坦率地說，他們必須重塑自我。

I think you're right.

我想你是對的。

And it's Trump that's going to organize it.

而這一切都將由特朗普來組織。

Better than we ever thought.

比我們想象的還要好

Well, if you want more of that beautiful interview between Elon Musk, Sean Hannity, and Donald Trump, 9 o'clock Eastern Tuesday.

如果你想了解更多關於埃隆-馬斯克（Elon Musk）、肖恩-漢尼提（Sean Hannity）和唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）的精彩訪談，請關注東部時間週二9點。

Check it out.

看看吧

But up next, Democrats need less Chuck Schumer and more Chuck Norris.

但接下來，民主黨人需要的不是查克-舒默，而是查克-諾里斯。