I want to talk about manifestation and getting in those kind of flow optimals dates.

我想談談 "顯化 "和 "流優化"。

She's the number one New York Times bestselling author.

她是《紐約時報》的頭號暢銷書作家。

She's written nine books.

她已經寫了九本書。

Oprah Winfrey calls her one of a next generation thought leaders and I've had the blessing to be able to share stage with her multiple times.

奧普拉-溫弗瑞稱她為新一代思想領袖之一，我有幸多次與她同臺。

She has an incredible podcast, Gabby Burstein.

她有一個令人難以置信的播客，名叫 Gabby Burstein。

Thanks for being on the show.

感謝您參加節目。

Hi brother, you are my brain coach.

嗨，兄弟，你是我的腦力教練。

I am so happy to be with you.

能和你們在一起，我感到非常高興。

Thank you for having me.

謝謝你們邀請我。

Oh, no, no, thank you.

哦，不，不，謝謝。

We just recorded your podcast where I was a guest.

我們剛剛錄製了您的播客，我是嘉賓之一。

I encourage everyone to listen to your podcast, but you and I were chatting off camera about the power of intuition and this is something, and even in our interview, you're mentioning the gut because there is this gut-brain axis and I know you've done a lot of research into manifestation.

我鼓勵大家去聽你的播客，但你和我在鏡頭外聊到了直覺的力量，甚至在我們的訪談中，你也提到了直覺，因為有這樣一個直覺-大腦軸，我知道你在顯現方面做了很多研究。

So I was just curious, what's your approach to the science of intuition, manifestation, flow states?

所以我很好奇，你是如何看待直覺、表現、流動狀態這門科學的？

I mean, you and I could talk for hours on this subject.

我的意思是，你和我可以就這個話題聊上幾個小時。

Well, I'm actually not gonna give you any science.

實際上，我不會給你任何科學依據。

I'm just gonna give you firsthand experience.

我就給你講講我的親身經歷吧。

That's even better.

那就更好了。

So I was gonna give you firsthand experience because I've been a meditator since I was six years old.

所以我想給你提供第一手經驗，因為我從六歲起就開始冥想了。

My mom brought me to the ashrams, was named by her guru, was given her mantra and have had a meditation practice.

我媽媽把我帶到修行院，由她的導師為我命名，並給了我她的咒語，我也開始了冥想練習。

And for me, what I would be able to notice is that there were moments early days in my meditation and when I was a teenager where I could actually feel my brain shifting from almost like a right brain, left brain experience where I would move into a different frequency.

對我來說，我能夠注意到的是，在我冥想的早期，在我還是青少年的時候，有那麼一些時刻，我能真切地感受到我的大腦從幾乎是右腦、左腦的體驗中轉移到了不同的頻率。

And in that frequency, there was a whole other realm of availability and not just my own inspired ideas, but also starting to channel and download ideas beyond my physical sight.

在這種頻率下，有一個全新的可用性領域，不僅是我自己的靈感，也開始引導和下載我視線之外的想法。

Sensations, feelings, gut knowing, even just audible words at times.

感覺、情感、直覺，甚至有時只是聽得見的話語。

And so as a spiritual teacher, I have full faith that we all have access to a realm beyond our physical sight and if you're not in the spiritual lexicon, maybe you'd call it intuition, right?

是以，作為一名精神導師，我完全相信我們都能進入一個超越我們肉眼的領域，如果你不懂精神詞典，也許你會稱之為直覺，對嗎？

Maybe you'd call it inspiration.

也許你會稱之為靈感。

And my late mentor and friend, Dr. Wayne Dyer, would say that when you're inspired, you're in spirit.

我已故的良師益友韋恩-戴爾博士會說，當你受到啟發時，你就會精神煥發。

And so when we're in that flow state, as you might call it, or I would call it a state of channeling, as you can see here, my hand just went numb.

是以，當我們處於這種流動狀態時，你可以稱之為 "引導狀態"，或者我稱之為 "疏導狀態"，就像你在這裡看到的，我的手麻了。

So that's when I know that I'm tuning in.

所以，我知道我正在收聽。

For me, it feels like a sensation of calm, a slowing down of my brain, a receptive way of being, rather than a, maybe if I'm in more of that get things done mode and that multitasker human Gabby mode, I will be distracted, I'll feel kind of tired.

對我來說，這就像是一種平靜的感覺，一種大腦放緩的感覺，一種接受的方式，而不是一種，也許如果我更多地處於 "把事情做完 "的模式和 "多任務處理人 "的加比模式，我就會分心，就會感覺有點累。

Here, it's energizing.

在這裡，它充滿活力。

And if you see me on stage, it's the same.

如果你在舞臺上看到我，也是一樣。

So if someone is an athlete and they get into that flow state, it's like you lose the logic and the reason and you get into the limitless, as you would say, capability, capacity.

是以，如果有人是運動員，他們進入了流動狀態，就好像你失去了邏輯和理性，進入了無限的狀態，就像你說的，能力，容量。

When I'm on stage or even right here with you, it's happening, I feel my body, my left hand goes numb.

當我在舞臺上，甚至就在這裡和你們在一起時，我感覺到我的身體，我的左手麻木了。

And I start to feel into this sort of effortless flow of whatever needs to come through.

我開始感覺到，無論需要什麼，都會毫不費力地流淌出來。

I'm not thinking, I'm not trying, I'm not forcing, I'm just flowing.

我沒有思考，沒有嘗試，沒有強迫，我只是在流淌。

There's distractions in the room.

房間裡有干擾。

My next guest just arrived and he's a hero of mine.

我的下一位客人剛到，他是我的英雄。

There's like a lot going on in this space right now, but I can just be in the flow of what is arriving when I make that adjustment.

現在這個空間裡發生了很多事情，但當我做出調整時，我就能順其自然。

Now, this is the repetition of new behavior over and over again, meditating for 40 years, right?

現在，這就是反覆重複新的行為，冥想 40 年，對嗎？

Or really meditating daily for 25 years.

或者真的每天冥想 25 年。

And that repetition of that practice gives you, like anything, the ability to jump on the basketball court and start playing, right?

這種重複的練習會讓你像任何事情一樣，有能力跳上籃球場開始比賽，對嗎？

Yeah, you need to warm up, but you could probably just jump right in if you've practiced every day for 25 years.

是的，你需要熱身，但如果你已經每天練習了 25 年，你也許可以直接跳進去。

And so I think that the meditative practices that we develop in our life help us open up that right brain's capacity to receive that information and to be in that, I would like to call it a receptive state.

是以，我認為，我們在生活中培養的冥想練習可以幫助我們打開右腦接收資訊的能力，並處於我想稱之為 "接受狀態 "的狀態。

It's a receptive state.

這是一種接受狀態。

It's not, your brain is not trying to figure anything out.

不是這樣的，你的大腦並沒有在想辦法。

It's really just allowing information to come through.

這其實就是讓資訊通過。

And the more you trust that state and experience that state and develop that state, the more information can flow through you.

你越是相信這種狀態，越是體驗這種狀態，越是發展這種狀態，你就能獲得越多的資訊。

And that information is profound.

這些資訊意義深遠。

I mean, I wrote 10 books in 13 years, not by myself, by tuning in and listening.

我是說，我在 13 年裡寫了 10 本書，不是靠自己，而是靠傾聽和聆聽。

Because we all have this capacity of this beautiful information far beyond our logic and reason.

因為我們都有這種能力，這種美麗的資訊遠遠超出了我們的邏輯和理性。

But we actually have to adjust our brains to receive that information.

但實際上，我們必須調整自己的大腦來接收這些資訊。

Yeah, a metaphor people even use about even the unconscious or subconscious, non-conscious, depending on how people define it, is like if you put your foot on the floor, everyone's just listening, that's kind of like your conscious awareness.

是的，人們甚至用一個比喻來形容無意識或潛意識、非意識，這取決於人們如何定義它，就像如果你把腳放在地板上，每個人都在聽，這就有點像你的有意識意識。

But the footprint of this whole building is more of that non-conscious genius, if you will.

但整座建築的足跡更多的是那種非自覺的天才，如果你願意的話。

I remember I would follow, you mentioned Wayne Dyer, I'd follow him on stage a number of times.

我記得我會跟著你，你提到過韋恩-戴爾，我曾多次在舞臺上跟著他。

And it was always so interesting because he did no preparation.

這總是那麼有趣，因為他沒有做任何準備。

He would just go out there and he would just channel or he would just be in that flow state.

他走到那裡，就會引導或進入流動狀態。

And with flow, the markers are like you lose your sense of self, it's almost effortless, and you almost lose your sense of time.

而在 "流 "的過程中，你會失去自我意識，幾乎毫不費力，也幾乎失去時間感。

And as you get in that state and your brain slows down from that beta to alpha to theta kind of creative state or where you're just so aware, that's incredible.

當你進入這種狀態，你的大腦從β到α再到θ的那種創造性狀態或你只是如此意識到的狀態慢下來時，那是不可思議的。

Is there, for our listeners, is there maybe, I don't know if we wanna walk them through, but what is that meditation?

對於聽眾來說，我不知道我們是否要帶他們走一遍，但冥想到底是什麼？

Everybody has a different style, right, that works for them.

每個人都有適合自己的不同風格。

How do you recommend and when do you usually recommend clients or people to do it?

您通常如何推薦以及何時推薦客戶或他人這樣做？

I think that if you find a meditation style, whether it be through an app like my Gabby Coaching app, whether it be through any other app, whether it be through a meditation teacher, Buddhist meditation, or even just guided meditations, I don't care what it is as long as it allows you to feel into a centered state of peace.

我認為，如果你找到一種冥想方式，無論是通過像我的 Gabby Coaching 應用程序這樣的應用程序，還是通過任何其他應用程序，無論是通過冥想老師、佛教冥想，甚至只是引導式冥想，我不在乎它是什麼，只要它能讓你感受到一種居中的平和狀態。

And if you have a molecule of peace, a molecule of stillness, a molecule of rest, then go for more of that.

如果你有一丁點的平和、一丁點的靜謐、一丁點的休息，那就多去享受吧。

Because I think people get very hung up on these days, you know, I have to try this practice, I have to try that practice.

因為我認為，人們在這些日子裡非常糾結，你知道，我必須嘗試這種做法，我必須嘗試那種做法。

That's actually your ego trying to drive your practice.

這其實是你的自負在驅動你的實踐。

I would much rather you say, oh, wow, I was in that, I sat in that yoga class that day and I loved that practice that the teacher gave us.

我更希望你說：哦，哇，我那天也在那堂瑜伽課上，我很喜歡老師給我們的練習。

That's the thing that really gave me that feeling of getting into a flow state, losing track of time, feeling at ease, just forgetting all the, going out of the state of thinking and logic and just into peaceful, peaceful state.

這才是真正讓我進入流動狀態的感覺，忘記時間，感覺自在，忘記一切，從思考和邏輯的狀態中走出來，進入平和、安寧的狀態。

Whatever that is that you have found, or if you're currently looking for it, when you find it, do more of that.

無論你找到了什麼，或者你目前正在尋找什麼，當你找到它時，就多做一些。

Because like anything, it's just like exercise.

因為就像任何事情一樣，它就像運動一樣。

You know, if you know you wanna do cardio and you wanna get on that and if that's what feels best for you, do more of that.

要知道，如果你知道自己想做有氧運動，而且你想堅持下去，如果那是你感覺最好的運動，那就多做一些。

I just believe just move in some way.

我只是相信，只要以某種方式移動。

Just be still in some way.

以某種方式保持靜止。

So that's my advice because I don't really like to put a framework on this is how it has to be.

這就是我的建議，因為我並不喜歡給自己設定一個框架，說一定要這樣。

Because I think it's just gonna make you not do it at all.

因為我覺得這會讓你根本不做。

And usually what's best for people is whatever they're actually gonna do.

通常，對人們最有利的事，就是他們真正要做的事。

Whatever they're gonna do.

不管他們要做什麼

I mean, it's nice to have it when you're first starting, it's nice to have a single pointed focus, whether that's a mantra or even just listening to a guided meditation.

我的意思是，在你剛開始的時候，有一個單一的焦點是很好的，無論是咒語，甚至只是聽一個引導冥想。

I mean, what I offer people for decades now is just guided meditations because I think people want someone showing them and leading them because just to sit and be still is so complicated for people if they've never had that experience.

我的意思是，幾十年來，我為人們提供的只是引導式冥想，因為我認為人們希望有人向他們展示並引導他們，因為如果他們從未有過這種體驗，那麼僅僅是靜坐和靜止對他們來說就太複雜了。

But once you find that practice that's really resonating with you or even just gives you, like I said, a molecule of peace, just do a little bit longer the next day.

但是，一旦你發現那種練習真的能引起你的共鳴，甚至只是像我說的那樣給你帶來一絲平靜，第二天就多做一會兒。

Like two minutes, three minutes, four minutes.

比如兩分鐘、三分鐘、四分鐘。

I think as we talked about on my show, morning is the beautiful time because that's when, and especially when you're waking up and you're wanting to just hold onto that peace from the night before.

我認為，正如我們在節目中談到的，早晨是美好的時光，因為這時，尤其是當你醒來，你想抓住前一晚的平靜時。

But like any practice, you have to develop it and that ability to move into that state of inspiration is the repetition of being in stillness.

但是，就像任何練習一樣，你必須培養這種能力，而這種進入靈感狀態的能力就是在靜止中不斷重複。

I believe it's built up.

我相信它已經建立起來了。

It's a muscle that's built up over time.

這是一種長期積累的肌肉。

That's been my experience.

這就是我的經驗。

And your process for manifesting your life, right?

還有你實現人生的過程，對嗎？

I mean, you went from these challenges, maybe in school, being held back and the things we talked about to writing all these New York Times bestselling books.

我的意思是，你從這些挑戰中走了出來，也許是在學校裡，也許是被耽擱了，也許是我們談論過的那些事情，到現在寫出了這麼多《紐約時報》暢銷書。

You're on stages in front of tens of thousands of people.

你在舞臺上面對成千上萬的觀眾。

You have this huge podcast and platform.

你有這個龐大的播客和平臺。

Is it very intentional?

是有意為之嗎？

Like, you know, sometimes there's a harmony between like forcing something and having faith or stretching and surrendering, right?

就像，你知道，有時在強迫某事和擁有信念之間，或者在伸展和屈服之間，會有一種和諧，對嗎？

Do you have like that process for our listeners and, you know, in terms of they have a pull towards something that resonates them?

你有沒有為我們的聽眾制定這樣的程序，你知道，他們會被一些能引起他們共鳴的東西所吸引嗎？

Yeah, the moment that you notice you're forcing, stop, drop, meditate.

是啊，當你發現自己在強迫自己的時候，停下來，放下，冥想。

Do something that's the opposite of what you're trying to force because anything that you create out of a forceful nature will not succeed.

做一些與你想強迫的事情相反的事情，因為任何你想強迫的事情都不會成功。

It will not have momentum.

它不會有動力。

It will not be sustainable.

這將是不可持續的。

It will burn you out.

它會讓你精疲力竭。

And so that's number one.

這就是第一點。

And I love the difference between like the force and the faith, but developing faith.

我喜歡 "力量 "和 "信念 "之間的區別，但我更喜歡 "發展信念"。

Faith is a muscle that must be developed.

信念是必須鍛鍊的肌肉。

We've had so many experiences from our childhood, particularly that have really blocked that, have built up a wall against that faith.

我們童年的經歷太多了，尤其是那些真正阻擋我們的經歷，為我們的信仰築起了一堵牆。

Like you being told that you were the kid with the broken brain, me being told I was stupid when I was six.

就像你被說成是腦子壞掉的孩子，我六歲時被說成是傻子。

You know, we had these belief systems and for order for us to step out and write these books and do the work that we do and change the story, we had to strengthen our faith one step at a time.

你知道，我們有這些信仰體系，為了讓我們走出去，寫這些書，做我們所做的工作，改變故事，我們必須一步一步地加強我們的信仰。

And so transforming that fear and that forcefulness into faith is just a subtle practice.

是以，將恐懼和強勢轉化為信仰只是一種微妙的練習。

And so, you know, you talk a lot about small actions and I always talk about lots of little right actions.

所以，你知道，你經常談論小行動，而我總是談論很多正確的小行動。

You're not going to change your habits overnight.

你不可能在一夜之間改變你的習慣。

You're not gonna be channeling overnight, but we all have these unique and profound abilities to be able to be living in a completely different way than the way that we are currently.

你不可能一夜之間就能通靈，但我們都有這些獨特而深厚的能力，能夠以完全不同於目前的方式生活。

And so I believe that if you choose to really live in a different way, then, and you make that choice, then the support systems that you need will be presented to you.

是以，我相信，如果你選擇真正以不同的方式生活，那麼，你做出這樣的選擇，你所需要的支持系統就會呈現在你面前。

So for me, you know, I was a drug addict in my 20s.

所以，對我來說，你知道，我在 20 多歲時曾是個癮君子。

I chose to live a life of freedom.

我選擇了自由的生活。

And in that choice, that choice was a prayer.

這個選擇就是祈禱。

And in that choice, I was led to recovery groups.

在這一選擇中，我被引向了康復團體。

And in that choice, one day at a time, I kept making that choice. 18 years later, I'm sober still, right?

在這樣的選擇中，我一天一天地堅持著。18 年後，我依然清醒，不是嗎？

So it's small right actions daily to create that long lasting change.

是以，每天正確的小行動才能帶來長期持久的改變。

And so, and particularly like you say, finding the things that work for you.

是以，特別是像你說的，找到適合自己的方法。

And so if you're trying to build a practice of faith, whatever that may be for you, or develop your intuition, finding the tools and the practices and the teachers, or even just the little methods here and there that strengthen your intuition and your faith, and just do a little bit of it each day.

是以，如果你正在嘗試建立一種信仰實踐，不管對你來說是什麼，或者發展你的直覺，找到工具、實踐和老師，甚至只是在這裡和那裡加強你的直覺和信仰的小方法，每天做一點點就可以了。

Tap in, tap in, tap in.

輕敲，輕敲，輕敲。

Outstanding.

出色。

I have a quote in Limitless that says, life is the letter C between the letters B and D, where B is birth and D is death.

我在《無極限》中引用過一句話：生命是介於字母 B 和 D 之間的字母 C，其中 B 代表出生，D 代表死亡。

Life C is choice.

生命 C 是一種選擇。

Choice.

選擇。

Our lives are a reflection of some total of the choices we made.

我們的生活是我們所做選擇的總和。

And people could look at the life we're in right now in these difficult times, they could diminish you, these difficult times can distract you, or these difficult times they can develop you.

人們可以看看我們現在所處的生活，在這些困難時期，它們可以削弱你，這些困難時期可以分散你的注意力，或者這些困難時期可以發展你。

That's right.

這就對了。

But we always have that decision or that choice.

但我們總是有這樣的決定或選擇。

Yeah, and I think that to kind of close on this topic of choice, it could really piss a lot of people off.

是的，我認為，在這個關於選擇的話題的結尾，它真的會讓很多人生氣。

Say, oh, it's your choice to change your life.

說，哦，改變生活是你的選擇。

It's your choice to change your brain.

改變你的大腦是你的選擇。

It's your choice.

這是你的選擇。

Because when you're flooded in that story that you've carried for so many decades, choice becomes an afterthought.

因為當你沉浸在自己揹負了幾十年的故事中時，選擇就成了事後的想法。

And you don't believe that.

而你卻不相信。

But remember that even just listening to this conversation was a choice.

但請記住，即使只是聆聽這段對話，也是一種選擇。

Or opening the book is a choice.

或者說，打開這本書是一種選擇。

Or just waking up in the morning and taking a breath is a choice.

或者只是在清晨醒來喘口氣，也是一種選擇。

And so it's not about saying, I'm just choosing to be different, I'll be different overnight.

是以，這並不是說，我只是選擇與眾不同，我會在一夜之間變得與眾不同。

But it's those small adjustments, those small choices daily that start to, and just taking a breath, that's a prayer.

但是，正是這些微小的調整、每天的微小選擇，讓我們開始，只要深吸一口氣，這就是祈禱。

Listening to this and saying, I'm choosing to listen to the end, that's sending a message.

聽完後說，我選擇聽完，這就是在傳遞信息。

And so just trusting that it's much more simple than we make it.

所以要相信，這比我們想象的要簡單得多。

Amazing.

太神奇了

Gary Burstein, thank you so much for being on the show.

加里-伯斯汀，非常感謝你能來參加節目。

How can people find out more about your work and connect with you?

人們怎樣才能更多地瞭解您的作品並與您聯繫？

Head over to DearGaby.com.

請訪問 DearGaby.com。

And I think that your listeners probably would really be well served by the support of my app, the Gaby Coaching Membership app.

我想，如果你們的聽眾能支持我的應用程序，即蓋比教練會員應用程序，也許會得到很好的服務。

And I think that what would be so valuable there is there's hundreds of meditations. And mindfulness practices and stress-reducing practices.

我認為那裡有數以百計的冥想方法，非常有價值。 還有正念練習和減壓練習。

And so I think that would be the best place to send people.

是以，我認為這是派遣人員的最佳地點。

Great, and thank you so much again.

太好了，再次感謝您。

Thank you, brother.

謝謝你，兄弟。

Nice to be with you.

很高興和你在一起