I'm Gwen.

我叫格溫

And I'm Leo.

我是里歐

Today, we're diving into a topic that's all about interest.

今天，我們將深入探討一個與興趣有關的話題。

And how it's not always as interesting as you think.

它並不總是像你想象的那樣有趣。

That's right.

這就對了。

We're exploring the habit of only doing things when you feel interested.

我們正在探索一種習慣，即只有當你覺得有興趣時才去做事情。

Is it the secret to happiness?

它是幸福的祕訣嗎？

Or is it just procrastination in disguise?

還是隻是變相拖延？

Spoiler alert, it's both.

劇透一下，兩者都有。

Stick around because we'll break down the pros, the cons, and how you can live your best life without relying solely on inspiration.

請繼續關注，因為我們將為您分析其利弊，以及如何在不完全依賴靈感的情況下過上最美好的生活。

Alright, let's get into it.

好了，我們開始吧。

Gwen, do you agree that following your interests feels like living the dream?

格溫，你同意追隨自己的興趣就像活在夢想中嗎？

Of course.

當然。

But because there is a reason for it.

但這是有原因的。

What's that?

那是什麼？

Stanford University researchers have found that people who enjoy what they're doing tend to be more creative and productive.

斯坦福大學的研究人員發現，喜歡自己正在做的事情的人往往更有創造力和生產力。

How come?

怎麼會這樣？

When you're doing something you're interested in, your brain releases dopamine.

當你做自己感興趣的事情時，大腦會釋放多巴胺。

Is dopamine the feel-good chemical?

多巴胺是讓人感覺良好的化學物質嗎？

Yep.

是的。

And, think about it, when you're feeling good, you're more likely to come up with new ideas and work harder.

而且，想想看，當你感覺良好時，你更有可能想出新點子，更努力地工作。

So, basically, it's like when you're doing something you love and it just feels like time is flying by, right?

所以，基本上，這就像你在做自己喜歡的事情時，感覺時間過得飛快，對嗎？

Exactly.

沒錯。

Interest fuels creativity, boosts productivity, and even makes tasks feel less like work.

興趣能激發創造力，提高工作效率，甚至讓人感覺任務不像工作。

And honestly, when you're interested, you're unstoppable.

老實說，只要你有興趣，你就會勢不可擋。

But let's be real.

但我們還是實話實說吧。

Not everything is exciting forever.

並非所有事情都能永遠令人興奮。

That's true.

沒錯。

And that's where things get tricky.

這就是事情變得棘手的地方。

Here's the flip side.

反之亦然。

Waiting for interest can be a trap.

等待興趣可能是一個陷阱。

A trap?

陷阱？

So, if you only rely on feeling interested, it's easy to put things off until the last minute.

是以，如果只憑感覺，很容易把事情拖到最後一刻。

And that could mean missing deadlines or not getting things done at all.

這可能意味著錯過最後期限或根本無法完成工作。

That's what I want to say.

這就是我想說的。

It can lead to procrastination and missed opportunities.

這會導致拖延和錯失良機。

So, relying solely on interest is not the best way to get things done.

是以，僅僅依靠興趣並不是完成任務的最佳方式。

Right?

對不對？

Right.

對

But what about creativity?

但創造力呢？

Wouldn't forcing it kill the magic?

強求不會扼殺魔力嗎？

Actually, no.

事實上，沒有。

The more consistent effort you put in, the more creative you become.

你付出的努力越持久，你就越有創造力。

How does that even work?

這怎麼行得通？

It's like building muscle.

這就像鍛鍊肌肉一樣。

The more you practice, the stronger you get.

練得越多，就越強。

So, if you're waiting for that eureka moment, you might be waiting a long time.

所以，如果你在等待那一刻的到來，你可能會等很久。

Let's say that.

這麼說吧。

Well, remember folks, don't wait for your inspiration to hit.

好了，請記住，不要等著靈感來臨。

Yep.

是的。

And your goals will thank you later.

以後你的目標會感謝你的。

But Gwen, isn't it hard to start doing something that you're not interested in?

但是，格溫，開始做自己不感興趣的事情不是很困難嗎？

It is.

就是這樣。

That's why one must find their motivation beyond their own interests.

是以，一個人必須找到超越自身利益的動力。

Please hit us with the wisdom.

請向我們傳授智慧。

It's all about connecting tasks to a bigger purpose.

這一切都是為了將任務與更大的目標聯繫起來。

Can you elaborate?

能詳細說明一下嗎？

Think about the benefits for your future self or how it helps others.

想想對未來的自己有什麼好處，或者如何幫助他人。

Does that really help?

這真的有用嗎？

Well, it seems to make sense, especially considering self-determination theory.

嗯，這似乎說得通，尤其是考慮到自決理論。

What's self-determination theory?

什麼是自我決定理論？

This theory, developed by psychologists Edward D.C. and Richard Ryan, suggests that when tasks align with personal values, you're more likely to stick with them.

這一理論由心理學家愛德華-D.C.和理查德-瑞安提出，認為當任務與個人價值觀一致時，你更有可能堅持完成任務。

Hmm.

嗯

So, how can I find the motivation to study for a test?

那麼，我怎樣才能找到學習考試的動力呢？

Let's think about it as a way to move forward in life.

讓我們把它當作一種人生前進的方式。

But what if my big goal is just naps?

但如果我的大目標只是午睡呢？

Well, maybe your bigger goal should be something more productive first, then reward yourself with a nap afterward.

好吧，也許你更大的目標應該是先做一些更有成效的事情，然後獎勵自己睡個午覺。

Alright, Gwen, let's go over some new phrases today.

好了，格溫，讓我們來複習一下今天的新短語。

First, come up with something.

首先，想點辦法。

It means to think of or create an idea or solution.

意思是想出或創造一個想法或解決方案。

For example, we need to come up with a plan for the party.

例如，我們需要為派對制定一個計劃。

Second, put something off.

第二，推掉一些事情。

It means to delay or postpone doing something.

意思是延遲或延後做某事。

For example, I always put off doing my homework until the last minute.

例如，我總是把做作業拖到最後一刻。

Third, rely on something.

第三，有所依靠。

It means to depend on something or trust it to work.

它的意思是依賴於某物或相信它能發揮作用。

For example, I rely on my phone to keep track of my schedule.

例如，我依靠手機來記錄我的日程安排。

Fourth, hit someone with something.

第四，用東西打人。

It means to surprise someone with unexpected news or information.

意思是用意想不到的消息或資訊給人帶來驚喜。

For example, he hit me with the news that he's moving to another country.

比如，他告訴我他要搬到另一個國家去。

Finally, stick with something.

最後，堅持一些事情。

It means to continue doing something even if it's hard.

這意味著即使困難重重，也要繼續做下去。

For example, I'll stick with learning English no matter what.

例如，無論如何，我都會堅持學習英語。

Now, let's discuss two questions about our topic.

現在，讓我們來討論關於我們的主題的兩個問題。

First question, what can happen if you wait for interest to do something?

第一個問題，如果你等著興趣來做事，會發生什麼？

For me, waiting for interest can lead to procrastination, missed deadlines, and uncompleted tasks.

對我來說，等待興趣會導致拖延、錯過最後期限和無法完成任務。

What about you, Leo?

你呢，里奧？

I agree.

我同意。

You might keep delaying the work until it's too late and end up feeling stressed.

你可能會一拖再拖，直到為時已晚，最終感到壓力山大。

Second question, how can you stay motivated to do something you're not interested in?

第二個問題，如何才能保持做自己不感興趣的事情的動力？

I think you can stay motivated by connecting it to a bigger purpose like how it helps your future self or others.

我認為，把它與更大的目標聯繫起來，比如如何幫助未來的自己或他人，就能保持動力。

Exactly.

沒錯。

When you think about the benefits, it makes it easier to stay on track.

想想這樣做的好處，就會更容易堅持下去。

What do you think, listeners?

聽眾朋友們，你們怎麼看？

Share your thoughts in the comments below.

在下面的評論中分享您的想法。

Gwen, you know it's always easier said than done, right?

格溫，你知道說起來容易做起來難，對吧？

And that's where discipline comes in.

這就是紀律的作用。

When your motivation dips, discipline helps you keep going.

當你的動力下降時，紀律會幫助你堅持下去。

So, you're saying discipline is like the backup plan when my excitement runs out?

所以，你的意思是說，當我的激情耗盡時，紀律就像是備用計劃？

I like your comparison.

我喜歡你的比較。

Discipline is what helps you keep moving forward even when you're not feeling inspired.

即使在你沒有靈感的時候，紀律也能幫助你繼續前進。

How do we even do that?

我們該怎麼做呢？

Setting up a routine might be good.

建立一個常規的生活習慣也許是件好事。

You don't have to think about it too much.

你不必考慮太多。

You just show up, do the work, and the consistency builds over time.

你只需出現在這裡，完成工作，隨著時間的推移，一致性就會逐漸建立起來。

I guess by doing that, we're less likely to get distracted by our moods or lack of interest?

我想這樣做，我們就不容易被自己的情緒或缺乏興趣所幹擾？

Yep.

是的。

It's about doing what needs to be done.

這就是做該做的事。

Even when it's not thrilling.

即使並不驚心動魄。

So, I have this routine of eating my vegetables first in every meal.

是以，我養成了每餐先吃蔬菜的習慣。

Is that considered discipline?

這算是紀律嗎？

I think so.

我想是的。

At least your digestive system will be grateful.

至少你的消化系統會感激不盡。

You're not wrong.

你沒說錯。

And I also notice that once my habit is in place, progress becomes easier.

我還注意到，一旦我的習慣養成了，進步就會變得更容易。

Right.

對

Just steady, consistent effort and you'll see the results.

只要堅持不懈地努力，你就會看到成果。

But I don't want to give up my hobbies.

但我不想放棄我的愛好。

Who said you had to?

誰說你必須這樣做？

You told me not to wait for my interests to strike.

你告訴我不要等我的興趣來敲門。

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to ditch them completely.

是的，但這並不意味著你必須完全拋棄它們。

It's all about finding a balance.

關鍵是要找到平衡點。

What do you mean by balance?

什麼叫平衡？

Well, a study by Stanford University found that people who balance work and leisure tend to be more productive and creative.

斯坦福大學的一項研究發現，兼顧工作和休閒的人往往更有生產力和創造力。

So, do you mean we must follow our interests without ignoring responsibilities?

那麼，你的意思是我們必須追隨自己的利益，而不忽視責任？

Yep.

是的。

That sounds tough.

這聽起來很艱難。

It's about managing your time effectively.

這就是有效管理時間。

So, how do you manage your time effectively?

那麼，如何有效管理時間呢？

I divide my day into blocks of time for work, hobbies, and rest.

我把一天的時間劃分為工作、愛好和休息三部分。

So, you mean like planning out chunks of time for specific tasks?

那麼，你的意思是為特定任務規劃時間塊？

Of course.

當然。

In that way, you're more likely to keep everything in check.

這樣，你就更有可能控制好一切。

How does that work?

這是怎麼做到的？

By organizing your time, you ensure you're giving attention to both your work and your passions.

通過合理安排時間，你可以確保工作和愛好兩不誤。

So, it's a way to stay productive while still having time for fun stuff?

所以，這是一種既能保持工作效率，又能有時間玩樂的方法？

Pretty much.

差不多吧。

It's the best approach, in my opinion.

在我看來，這是最好的辦法。

But what if I just schedule more free time?

但如果我安排更多的空閒時間呢？

Then you'll need to schedule an intervention.

那麼你就需要安排一次干預。

Fair enough.

有道理。

But Gwen, don't you think some tasks can be really boring?

但是格溫，你不覺得有些任務真的很無聊嗎？

And it's hard to do them without getting bored.

而且很難做到不感到無聊。

Like what?

比如說？

Hey, doing laundry is not boring at all.

嘿，洗衣服一點也不無聊。

Well, I guess you're right about that.

我想你是對的。

Some mundane tasks feel like a chore unless I can make them more interesting.

除非我能讓一些瑣碎的工作變得更有趣，否則就會覺得是一件苦差事。

Drop your tips, Gwen.

放下你的小費，格溫

How do you make them more interesting?

如何讓它們更有趣？

One thing that works for me is turning them into a game.

有一個方法對我很有效，那就是把它們變成遊戲。

Can you elaborate?

能詳細說明一下嗎？

Like when I clean my room, I pretend it's a race to see how fast I can finish, just to make it feel less well.

就像我打掃房間時，我會假裝這是一場比賽，看我能以多快的速度完成，只是為了讓自己感覺沒那麼糟糕。

Boring.

無聊。

I must admit that's a great way to make it more fun.

我必須承認，這是一個讓它更有趣的好辦法。

You can also add music or a podcast to the mix.

您還可以添加音樂或播客。

Suddenly, it doesn't feel as much like work.

突然間，我覺得這不像是工作了。

I did that a few times.

我做過幾次。

I was doing something productive, but I was also getting to enjoy my favorite singer's new releases.

我在做一些有意義的事情，同時也在欣賞我最喜歡的歌手的新作品。

Same here.

我也一樣。

I often go to Spotify, put on my favorite playlist, and make it like a mini dance party while I clean.

我經常會打開 Spotify，放上我最喜歡的播放列表，讓它成為我打掃時的小型舞會。

Definitely makes it less painful.

肯定會減少痛苦。

And sometimes it's not even about the task itself.

有時甚至與任務本身無關。

If so, what's it about then?

如果是，那是關於什麼的？

It's about the way you approach it.

這與你的方法有關。

I'm not sure I get what you mean.

我不太明白你的意思。

What I mean is that if you change your mindset and see it as a chance to practice focus or improve efficiency, it might actually feel more rewarding.

我的意思是說，如果你改變心態，把它看成是練習專注力或提高效率的機會，可能真的會感覺更有收穫。

That's a solid point.

說得很有道理。

But I have this one better idea, though.

不過，我有一個更好的主意。

What idea?

什麼想法？

What if I just never fold laundry again and embrace the wrinkled look?

如果我再也不疊衣服，接受皺巴巴的樣子呢？

Hmm.

嗯

All right.

好吧

Let's move on before you lose all credibility.

在你失去所有信譽之前，讓我們繼續前進吧。

Leo, do you know that successful people are often characterized by their strong habits and routines?

獅子座，你知道成功人士通常都有很強的習慣和例行公事的特點嗎？

Really?

真的嗎？

Yep.

是的。

A study by Duke University found that those habits help them stay focused, productive, and motivated.

杜克大學的一項研究發現，這些習慣有助於他們保持專注、高效和積極。

So, success isn't just about passion, right?

所以，成功不僅僅是激情，對嗎？

Correct.

正確。

It's about habits.

這與習慣有關。

The little things you do every day really add up.

你每天所做的點點滴滴都會讓你受益匪淺。

Sounds about right.

聽起來差不多。

Leo, keep this in mind.

利奧，請記住這一點。

Success is not about having a big, dramatic moment, but rather about consistent effort.

成功不在於轟轟烈烈，而在於持之以恆的努力。

It's hard to imagine small habits can lead us to success.

很難想象，小小的習慣就能引領我們走向成功。

Well, just think about brushing your teeth.

那就想想刷牙吧。

You don't think much about it, but it keeps your teeth healthy.

你不會多想，但它能保持牙齒健康。

It's the same with your goals.

你的目標也是如此。

I guess those little things really do matter.

我想這些小事真的很重要。

So, if you spent ten minutes a day learning a new skill, it wouldn't seem like much.

是以，如果你每天花十分鐘學習一項新技能，這看起來並不多。

But after a year, you would be pretty good at it.

但一年之後，你就會很擅長了。

Well, I guess I'm one step closer to greatness, then, if I can keep brushing my teeth and learning Spanish.

好吧，我想我離偉大又近了一步，如果我能繼續刷牙和學習西班牙語的話。

You're on the right track, Leo.

你的方向是對的，里歐。

The more you stick to these habits, the easier it gets to stay on track and make progress.

你越是堅持這些習慣，就越容易堅持下去並取得進步。

Success, here I come.

成功，我來了。

Keep up the good work, and you'll see results before you know it.

繼續努力，你會在不知不覺中看到成果。

Alright, Gwen, let's look at some new keywords and phrases related to building up habits.

好了，格溫，讓我們來看看一些與培養習慣有關的新關鍵詞和短語。

First, easier said than done.

首先，說起來容易做起來難。

It means that something sounds simple, but it's difficult to actually do.

這意味著有些事情聽起來很簡單，但實際做起來卻很困難。

For example, it's easier said than done to quit a bad habit.

例如，戒除壞習慣說起來容易，做起來難。

Second, run out of something.

第二，用完東西。

It means you don't have any left of something.

這意味著你已經沒有任何東西了。

For example, we ran out of milk, so I couldn't make coffee this morning.

例如，我們的牛奶用完了，所以我今天早上沒法煮咖啡。

Third, set up something.

第三，設置一些東西。

It means to arrange or prepare something.

意思是安排或準備某事。

For example, I need to set up the meeting room before the guests arrive.

例如，我需要在客人到來之前佈置好會議室。

Fourth, speak for one's self.

第四，為自己說話。

It means to express your own opinion, not someone else's.

這意味著要表達自己的觀點，而不是別人的觀點。

For example, I can speak for myself when it comes to making decisions.

例如，在做決定時，我可以為自己說話。

Finally, be on the right track.

最後，要走在正確的道路上。

It means to be doing something in the correct way.

意思是以正確的方式做某事。

For example, your research is great.

例如，您的研究非常出色。

You're definitely on the right track.

你絕對走對了路。

Alright, Gwen, here's a question for you.

好吧，格溫，我有個問題要問你。

Sure, what is it?

當然，是什麼？

I suggest turning them into a game, or adding music or a podcast to make them more fun.

我建議把它們變成遊戲，或者加入音樂或播客，讓它們更有趣。

That's a great way to make chores feel less boring.

這是讓家務不再枯燥的好方法。

Now, your turn to ask me a question.

現在，輪到你向我提問了。

Okay, Leo.

好的，里歐

How do you manage your time effectively?

如何有效管理時間？

I divide my day into blocks of time for work, hobbies, and rest.

我把一天的時間劃分為工作、愛好和休息三部分。

Sounds like a great way to stay organized and balanced.