I've just started, and who knows? There's no guarantee. This is like a painter's palette.

我才剛剛開始，誰知道呢？誰知道呢？這就像畫家的調色板。

I don't like to use an analogy with painting, but it is. This is a palette where I can move the material around and find my own path through the material, I suppose.

我不喜歡用繪畫來做類比，但確實如此。我想，這是一個調色板，在這裡我可以隨意移動素材，在素材中找到自己的道路。

My first wife was born and raised in Wuppertal. And I have to say, being here has been very kind to me. People have been very kind, very generous, very supportive.

我的第一任妻子在伍珀塔爾出生並長大。我不得不說，這裡對我非常友好。這裡的人們非常善良、慷慨、支持我。

When do you think we can have it?

你覺得我們什麼時候能拿到？

In two weeks. You think so?

兩週後你這麼認為？

All right. It's beginning to look really good, isn't it, actually?

好吧看起來真的很不錯，不是嗎？

I hope it fits with the other one.

我希望它能與另一個吻合。

Fantastisch! Super weich, ne?

Fantastisch！超級漂亮，不是嗎？

I have to be there, I have to see it, I have to respond to it to make the next decisions. And as well as students, I have the people here, my assistants here, because then

我必須在那裡，我必須看到它，我必須對它做出反應，以便做出下一步決定。除了學生，我這裡還有其他人，我的助手們，因為這樣的話

I can keep an eye on everything and I'm here every day and checking and making, working with them.

我每天都在這裡檢查、製作，與他們一起工作。

I mean, considering the fact nobody's going to see this at seven metres high, but it's beautifully made, I have to say. They've done a great job on this. Fantastic.

我的意思是，考慮到沒人會在七米高的地方看到它，但我不得不說，它製作得非常精美。他們做得很好太棒了

I wanted to make work that has steel work, that has a totally non-industrial basis to it.

我想做的作品要有鋼鐵的質感，要有完全非工業化的基礎。

Just pure fantasy. There's no natural model for it.

只是純粹的幻想。它沒有自然模式。

Did you get this bit ready? That's it, is it? It's just being glued, yeah. Can we just see what that looks like when that's up there?

你準備好了嗎？就這樣，是嗎？粘好了我們能看看粘好後是什麼樣子嗎？

We're making it now in polystyrene, and then what we're going to have to do, we're going to have to cut it all apart, document it very, very carefully, cut it apart, and every single bit, every single frack is going to have to be cast in steel and then reassembled in steel. So it's going to be a real job to do that. But I think it's going to look very exciting. I mean, look,

我們現在用聚苯乙烯製造，然後我們要做的就是把它全部拆開，非常、非常仔細地記錄下來，然後把它拆開，每一點、每一個裂縫都要用鋼鑄造，然後用鋼重新組裝。是以，這將是一項艱鉅的任務。但我認為這看起來會非常激動人心。你看

I'm excited to see it, that's all. That's why you do things. I go to the foundry and they say, no, sorry, it can't be done, which is always good to hear because then you know nobody else did it.

我很高興看到它，僅此而已。這就是你做事情的原因。我去鑄造廠，他們說，不，對不起，做不到，聽到這個消息總是很高興，因為這樣你就知道沒有人做過了。

You see this one here? I mean, this has just arrived, come in from the foundry. Now,

看到這個了嗎？我是說，這是剛到的，從鑄造廠來的。現在

I'm not going to try to pick it up because it's an enormous weight that comes together, but to do this has really been a real challenge for the foundry to make. But that's,

我不想把它拿起來，因為它的重量非常大，但要做到這一點，對鑄造廠來說確實是一個真正的挑戰。不過

I mean, that's not my job is just to make their life difficult, but I need to get the things out I want to have and the forms I want to make.

我的意思是，我的工作並不只是讓他們的生活變得困難，但我需要把我想擁有的東西和我想製作的表格拿出來。

If you have a thing of a mass of material in front of you and you move it around, I mean, there are just endless possibilities. I mean, it's infinite. So really the job is to actually find out where it becomes more meaningful and where it's, you can feel, ah, this is something has some correspondence, but I can't preempt that strangely enough. It may well be that tomorrow they shouldn't hear this. Could be that tomorrow we have to take the whole thing down and start again. I mean, I've just been very fortunate because there's a certain set of themes and things I'm interested in just have fascinated me since I'm a kid, like the geology, like all sorts of natural relations to natural history, the landscape. You know, the interest is the material, the materials we find around us. Even the stacks I made, part of the intention was to make geological blocks. I mean, that's what I drew. I literally drew the first invitation card

如果你面前有一團材料，然後把它移來移去，我的意思是，就會有無窮無盡的可能性。我的意思是，它是無限的。所以，真正的工作是找出它在哪裡變得更有意義，它在哪裡，你可以感覺到，啊，這東西有一些對應關係，但奇怪的是，我不能先發制人。很可能明天他們就不應該聽到這些了。說不定明天我們就得把整件事情推倒重來。我的意思是，我很幸運，因為我從小就對一些主題和事物感興趣，比如地質學，比如各種與自然史有關的自然關係，比如風景。你知道，我感興趣的是材料，是我們身邊發現的材料。即使是我製作的堆疊作品，部分意圖也是為了製作地質塊。我的

I did was of a geological block with all the different strata inside it.

我做的是一個地質塊，裡面有不同的地層。

I love sculpture. I think I'm fascinated by what other people make and how they make it and what it means. So I'm a real sculpture fan.

我喜歡雕塑。我想我對其他人的作品、他們的創作方式以及作品的意義都很著迷。所以我是一個真正的雕塑迷。

We've done, I think now, 45 exhibitions of sculptor's work. I didn't know it was going to take up so much time, but actually, to be honest, that's a fantastic experience that I enjoy.

我想現在我們已經舉辦了 45 場雕塑家作品展覽。我不知道這會佔用這麼多時間，但實際上，說實話，這是我非常喜歡的一種奇妙體驗。

Sculpture is an enormously dynamic and dramatically developing discipline and it's one of the only uses of material that's not utilitarian. It's literally about just new forms and new ideas and new emotional experiences. When you see how ugly everything is built, you know, simple geometry, flat, straight edge, boring, right angle, repetitive, an inferior world we build in a sense. Sculpture is the only one that actually builds something crazy and interesting.

雕塑是一門極具活力和顯著發展的學科，也是唯一不帶功利性的材料用途之一。從字面上看，它只是關於新的形式、新的想法和新的情感體驗。當你看到一切建築都是如此醜陋時，你就會知道，簡單的幾何形狀、平面、直角、枯燥、直角、重複，從某種意義上說，我們建造了一個低劣的世界。雕塑是唯一能真正建造出瘋狂而有趣的東西的藝術。