Name: 英國文化協會採訪史蒂芬-克拉申（Stephen Krashen），第 3 部分，共 3 頁 (British Council Interviews Stephen Krashen part 3 of 3)
Uploaded: 2024-12-23T10:26:36.000Z
Duration: 20 min 45 s

現在進行式

Let's say we discovered that 300 years ago there were a group of teenagers in a village in southern France, I'm making all this up, who wrote to each other, wrote notes all day long, just because they liked it.

比方說，我們發現 300 年前，在法國南部的一個村子裡，有一群青少年（這是我編造的），他們互相通信，整天寫紙條，只是因為他們喜歡這樣。

Historians would say, oh, this is a very literate group, obviously.

歷史學家會說，哦，這顯然是一個非常有文化的群體。

So something very good might be coming from Facebook, and I don't think it's been properly studied.

是以，Facebook 可能會帶來一些非常好的東西，但我認為還沒有對其進行適當的研究。

It's much too early, I think, to condemn these kinds of things.

我認為，現在譴責這類事情還為時過早。

They might be very, very important, and they might be pushing us forward very quickly.

它們可能非常非常重要，可能會推動我們快速前進。

Here's a couple of studies for you, way down in the bottom of the page.

這裡有幾項研究，就在頁面底部。

The more kids are on the net, the more they read.

孩子們上網越多，閱讀量就越大。

A study on the bottom from Netherlands, a small correlation, 0.31 isn't very large, but it's positive.

來自荷蘭的一項關於底層的研究顯示，相關性很小，0.31 並不是很大，但卻是正相關。

More use of the internet means more book reading, flipping over the page.

更多使用互聯網意味著更多閱讀書籍，翻閱頁面。

More use of the internet meant more newspaper reading, more involvement with the world in  Several studies say that more internet use, more reading from the internet, means more literacy development.

更多使用互聯網意味著更多閱讀報紙，更多接觸世界 有幾項研究表明，更多使用互聯網，更多閱讀互聯網，意味著更多讀寫能力的發展。

It's that reading, the kind of reading they do, really does count.

閱讀，他們所做的那種閱讀，真的很重要。

One study done in the States, they gave computers to young kids, low income, so they didn't have access, and the more they used the computer, the more they were on the net, the better they did in reading.

在美國進行的一項研究中，他們給低收入家庭的孩子提供了電腦，是以他們無法使用電腦，而他們使用電腦越多，上網越多，閱讀能力就越強。

Not in math, just reading, which showed it was specific to reading, and they were reading more.

不是在數學方面，只是在閱讀方面，這表明它是專門針對閱讀的，而且他們讀得更多了。

The way they set up the study and the statistics they used, it's clear that the reading from the internet was causal.

從他們設置研究的方式和使用的統計數據來看，從互聯網上獲取的資訊顯然是有因果關係的。

I've been involved with a colleague in India, Professor Pratibha.

我一直與印度的一位同事普拉蒂巴教授合作。

We're virtual friends, as you are with lots of people in the world.

我們是虛擬朋友，就像你和世界上很多人一樣。

I've been re-examining some data that she has been collecting.

我一直在重新研究她收集的一些數據。

She works in an engineering school, an engineering college, and her students are extremely advanced in English.

她在一所工程學院工作，她的學生英語水平非常高。

They're really good, and they all want to get better in these exams and get their English going, et cetera.

他們都很優秀，都想在這些考試中取得更好的成績，把英語學好，等等。

She gave them a very demanding vocabulary test, really hard, and a questionnaire of how much reading they did.

她給他們做了一個要求很高的詞彙測試，非常難，還做了一份他們閱讀量的調查問卷。

No surprise, the more they read, the better their vocabulary was, good, strong correlation.

毫不奇怪，他們讀得越多，詞彙量就越大，很好，很強的相關性。

Then I divided the questions into two groups, reading from the computer and reading from  Both correlate with vocabulary growth, independently.

然後，我把問題抽成了兩組，分別是獨立從電腦上閱讀和獨立從《兩者都與詞彙增長相關》中閱讀。

What this means is reading from the computer, again, really counts.

這就意味著，從電腦上閱讀同樣非常重要。

I've been very interested in pushing something we can do right now, free voluntary surfing, which I think is a wonderful way.

我一直對推動我們現在就可以做的事情非常感興趣，那就是免費自願衝浪，我認為這是一種非常好的方式。

It's your own interest following topics you like.

這是你自己的興趣，關注你喜歡的話題。

We do it as advanced English users, but I don't know if our students do.

我們作為高級英語使用者是這樣做的，但我不知道我們的學生是否這樣做。

The little bit of data I have, this has not been investigated.

我所掌握的少量數據還沒有對此進行過調查。

I think it's a wonderful thing to look at.

我認為這是一件非常值得一看的事情。

They found that people were using, lots of people using the internet.

他們發現人們在使用，很多人在使用互聯網。

Most of them were using it in Chinese only.

他們中的大多數人只使用中文。

There's sometimes a reluctance, fear you won't understand.

有時會有一種不情願，害怕你不理解。

你會忘記它使用的是哪種語言。

The potential for us as a field, I'm summarizing the positive now.

我們作為一個領域的潛力，我現在總結的是積極的方面。

In terms of beginning English classes, when we want more books, we can do, we call language experience.

就初級英語課而言，當我們想要更多的書籍時，我們可以做的，我們稱之為語言體驗。

In a day, you can have lots of good stories.

一天之內，你可以有很多好故事。

You know, if you teach kids English, and you teach little kids, and each child comes up with a story, 20 kids in the class, I'm fantasizing, 20 kids, okay, you have 20 stories, you know that two or three of them are going to be as good as any professional story.

你知道，如果你教孩子們英語，你教小孩子，每個孩子都會想出一個故事，全班 20 個孩子，我在幻想，20 個孩子，好吧，你有 20 個故事，你知道其中兩三個會和任何專業故事一樣好。

一週之內，你就擁有了一個圖書館。

Thanks to the internet, we can share with every English class in the world.

多虧了互聯網，我們可以與世界上每一個英語班分享。

We can have interesting, comprehensible stuff within a day.

我們可以在一天之內獲得有趣、易懂的內容。

We can have 1,000 good stories written by other kids that are interesting, comprehensible, sometimes very, very compelling.

我們可以有 1000 個其他孩子寫的有趣、易懂、有時非常非常引人入勝的好故事。

I wrote a paper back in the 80s called Narrow Reading.

早在上世紀 80 年代，我就寫過一篇名為《狹義閱讀》的論文。

Then, in the 90s, I wrote a paper called Narrow Listening, and Narrow Listening was you go up to people, and you ask people the same question, like I did this when I was starting out with Spanish.

然後，在 90 年代，我寫了一篇名為 "窄聽 "的論文。"窄聽 "就是你走到別人身邊，問他們同樣的問題，就像我剛開始學西班牙語時做的那樣。

I'd go up to 10 people, and I'd ask them the same question, Spanish speakers, and I'd say things like, you know, do you like coffee or tea, you know, when I was first starting?

我走到十個人面前，問他們同樣的問題，說西班牙語的人，我會說，你知道，你喜歡咖啡還是茶，你知道，當我剛開始的時候？

Then, as I got better, it was things like, who is the perfect man?

後來，隨著我病情的好轉，我開始思考 "誰是完美男人 "這樣的問題。

I can tell you what the characteristics are.

And as I, you know, I'd listen to them again and again, and they would get more comprehensible, and they were people I knew.

當我一遍又一遍地聽他們說話時，他們會變得更容易理解，而且他們都是我認識的人。

My triumphant experiment with Spanish, I knew this family in Cuernavaca, Mexico, five brothers and one sister.

我的西班牙語實驗取得了勝利，我認識了墨西哥庫埃納瓦卡的這個家庭，他們有五個兄弟和一個姐妹。

And I asked each sibling to describe the others.

我讓每個兄弟姐妹都描述一下其他人。

I got an hour of wonderful tape, fairly good gossip about the whole family.

我聽了一個小時的精彩錄音帶，還聽了不少關於整個家庭的八卦。

And since I knew them all, I had background on, this was Narrow Listening, I would like to expand this to Narrow Video.

因為我對他們都很瞭解，我有背景，這是 "窄聽"，我想把它擴展到 "窄視"。

每個人都有自己的 iPad，對嗎？

You can have people record for you, send you the video with context.

你可以讓別人為你錄製視頻，並將視頻連同上下文發送給你。

Here's a picture of Barack Obama shaking hands with Mitt Romney.

這是巴拉克-奧巴馬與米特-羅姆尼握手的照片。

You know, and we can, you know, people, you get 10 people to tell you about that.

你知道，我們可以，你知道，人們，你可以讓 10 個人告訴你這件事。

So I think the potential is absolutely enormous.

I read it all in the book, in there, what everybody's putting on.

我在書裡都讀到了，每個人都穿了什麼。

There are only hints of using technology to spread good stories.

利用技術傳播好故事只是一個伏筆。

I think this is where we can make instant progress and make the world an easier, better place immediately.

我認為，我們可以在這方面取得立竿見影的進展，並立即讓世界變得更輕鬆、更美好。

Kids can go home from class with their little, what is it, iPad, iPod, iHop, whatever, and, you know, see good stories from the day's class and exchange with each other and get tons of comprehensible input backed up with visual.

孩子們下課後可以帶著他們的小iPad、iPod、iHop之類的東西回家，你知道，他們可以看到當天課堂上的精彩故事，相互交流，獲得大量可理解的、有視覺支持的資訊。

Well, let me now be critical and go after people who I think are misusing the computer and fooling the public.

好吧，現在讓我來責備一下那些我認為濫用電腦、愚弄公眾的人。

This is called bogus uses of the computer.

Just because it's technology doesn't mean it's good.

The biggest offender is in every airport in the world, and it's called Rosetta Stone.

世界上每個機場都有一個最大的 "罪犯"，它的名字叫 "羅塞塔石碑"。

How many of you have heard of Rosetta Stone?

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