What is emotion?

什麼是情感？

What is consciousness?

什麼是意識？

Is it really just one atom bumping into another atom?

真的只是一個原子撞上了另一個原子嗎？

It feels like something more than that.

感覺不止如此。

Sometimes I wonder is, you know, either perhaps everything's conscious or nothing is conscious.

有時我在想，要麼一切都有意識，要麼什麼都沒有意識。

I think we're probably missing some really big things, like some really big things.

我想我們可能錯過了一些真正的大事，比如一些真正的大事。

The first time we talked, you said what you would, which is surreal to think that this discussion was happening is becoming a reality.

我們第一次談話時，你說了你會做的事，想到這種討論正在成為現實，真是超現實。

I asked you, what question would you ask an AGI system once you create it?

我問你，一旦你創建了一個人工智能系統，你會問它什麼問題？

And you said, what's outside the simulation is the question.

你說過，模擬之外的東西才是問題所在。

But it seems like with Grok, you started to literally, the system's goal is to be able to ask such questions.

但從字面上看，Grok 系統的目標就是能夠提出這樣的問題。

Our AI, Grok, is modeled after the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which is one of my favorite books.

我們的人工智能 Grok 是以《銀河系漫遊指南》（Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy）為藍本設計的，這是我最喜歡的書之一。

It's a book on philosophy disguised as a book on humor.

這是一本偽裝成幽默書的哲學書。

I would say that forms the basis of my philosophy, which is that we don't know the meaning of life, but the more we can expand the scope and scale of consciousness, digital and biological, the more we are able to understand what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe.

我想說的是，這構成了我的哲學基礎，即我們不知道生命的意義，但我們越能擴大意識（數字意識和生物意識）的範圍和尺度，我們就越能理解應該對宇宙這個答案提出什麼樣的問題。

So I have a philosophy of curiosity.

是以，我有一套好奇心哲學。

Well, as you said, I think one of the big goals of XAI is to understand the universe.

正如你所說，我認為XAI的一大目標就是了解宇宙。

Yes.

是的。

That's how simple three word vision.

這就是簡單的三個字的願景。

If you look out far into the future, do you think on this level of physics, the very edge of what we understand about physics, do you think it will make discoveries, sort of the sexiest discovery of them, as we know now, sort of unifying general relativity and quantum mechanics?

如果你放眼未來，你認為在物理學的這個層面上，在我們所理解的物理學的最邊緣，你認為它會有發現嗎，就像我們現在所知道的那樣，算是最性感的發現，算是廣義相對論和量子力學的統一？

So coming up with a theory of everything, do you think it could push towards that direction, almost like theoretical physics discoveries?

那麼，提出萬物理論，你認為會不會像理論物理學的發現那樣，推動萬物朝著這個方向發展？

If an AI cannot figure out new physics, it's clearly not equal to humans, let alone, nor has it surpassed humans, because humans have figured out new physics.

如果人工智能無法弄清新的物理學原理，那麼它顯然無法與人類相提並論，更談不上超越人類，因為人類已經弄清了新的物理學原理。

Physics is just understanding, deepening one's insight into how reality works.

物理學只是一種理解，加深人們對現實如何運作的洞察力。

Another question about theory of everything, but for intelligence, do you think there exists, as you're exploring this with XAI, creating this intelligence system, do you think there is a theory of intelligence where you get to understand what is the I in AGI and what is the I in human intelligence?

另一個問題是關於萬物理論的，但對於智能而言，你是否認為存在這樣一種智能理論，即在你探索XAI、創建這種智能系統的過程中，你能夠理解什麼是AGI中的 "我"，什麼是人類智能中的 "我"？

Is that part of the process of discovering, understanding the universe, is understanding intelligence?

這是發現、理解宇宙和理解智慧的過程的一部分嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

Yeah, I think we need to understand intelligence, understand consciousness.

是的，我認為我們需要了解智慧，瞭解意識。

I mean, there are some sort of fundamental questions of like, what is thought?

我的意思是，有一些基本問題，比如，什麼是思想？

What is emotion?

什麼是情感？

Is it really just one atom bumping into another atom?

真的只是一個原子撞上了另一個原子嗎？

It feels like something more than that.

感覺不止如此。

So I think we're probably missing some really big things, like some really big things.

是以，我認為我們可能錯過了一些真正的大事，比如一些真正的大事。

Something that'll be obvious in retrospect.

有些事情回想起來會很明顯。

Yes.

是的。

Well, some people would call it like a soul, you know, in religion it would be a soul.

好吧，有些人會把它叫做靈魂，你知道，在宗教裡它就是靈魂。

Like you feel like you're you, right?

就像你覺得自己就是你，對嗎？

I mean, you don't feel like you're just a collection of atoms, but on what dimension does thought exist?

我的意思是，你不會覺得自己只是原子的集合體，但思想存在於哪個維度呢？

What dimension do emotions exist?

情感存在於哪個維度？

We feel them very strongly.

我們的感受非常強烈。

I suspect there's more to it than atoms bumping into atoms.

我猜想，這不僅僅是原子碰撞原子的問題。

And maybe AI can pave the path to the discovery of whatever the hell that thing is.

也許人工智能可以為發現那東西鋪平道路。

Yeah.

是啊

What is consciousness?

什麼是意識？

Like when you put the atoms in a particular shape, why are they able to form thoughts and take actions and feelings?

比如，當你把原子放在一個特定的形狀中時，它們為什麼能夠形成思想，採取行動，產生感情？

And even if it is an illusion, why is this illusion so compelling?

即使這是一種幻覺，為什麼這種幻覺如此引人注目？

Yeah.

是啊

Why does this illusion exist?

為什麼會出現這種幻覺？

On what plane does this illusion exist?

這種幻覺存在於哪個層面？

And sometimes I wonder is, you know, either perhaps everything's conscious or nothing is conscious.

有時我在想，要麼一切都有意識，要麼什麼都沒有意識。

One of the two.

二選一。

I like the former.

我喜歡前者。

Everything conscious just seems more fun.

一切有意識的事情看起來都更有趣。

It just seems more fun, yes.

是的，這看起來更有趣。

But we're composed of atoms and those atoms are composed of quarks and leptons.

但我們是由原子組成的，而原子是由夸克和輕子組成的。

And those quarks and leptons have been around since the beginning of the universe.

而這些夸克和輕子在宇宙誕生之初就已經存在了。

We don't know the meaning of life, but the more we can expand the scope and scale of consciousness, the more we are able to understand what questions to ask about the answer that is the universe.

我們不知道生命的意義，但我們越能擴大意識的範圍和尺度，就越能理解對宇宙這個答案應該提出什麼樣的問題。