I don't well up like I used to.

我不像以前那樣亢奮了。

Yeah.

是啊

And I welled up here.

我在這裡流下了眼淚。

This was simply emotion on a page.

這只是一頁紙上的情感。

There's something that happens when you create something with a story that's different than when you tell the story.

當你用故事創作時，會發生一些與講述故事不同的事情。

When you're telling a story out loud, it's hard to separate it from the rest of your life.

當你大聲講述一個故事時，很難將它與你生活的其他部分區分開來。

But when you turn the language into a poem, it almost like encapsulates it.

但是，當你把這些語言變成一首詩時，它幾乎就像是對語言的概括。

And then you separate it from you.

然後將它與你分離。

It's outside of you.

它就在你的外面。

And that space allows you to share it differently.

而這種空間可以讓你以不同的方式分享。

And it allows you to internalize it differently.

它能讓你以不同的方式將其內化。

We tell stories largely for the benefit of others.

我們講故事主要是為了讓他人受益。

And this exercise, the poem was meant for the benefit of me.

而這次練習，這首詩是為我而寫的。

I just happened to share it with you.

我只是碰巧和你分享一下。

That's right.

這就對了。

Do you think the word poem is a liability?

你認為詩這個詞是一種負擔嗎？

When people hear poem, they're like, roses are red, violets are blue, you know.

當人們聽到這首詩時，他們會想，玫瑰是紅色的，紫羅蘭是藍色的，你知道的。

Yes.

是的。

And when you say, I'm a poet, people are like, oh, here we go.

當你說 "我是個詩人 "時，人們就會說，哦，這就對了。

And when you say, I'm going to have you write a poem, it's a liability, right?

而當你說，我要讓你寫一首詩，這是一種責任，對嗎？

Because the word poem or poetry has baggage.

因為詩或詩歌這個詞有包袱。

Yeah.

是啊

I mean, my mind goes in different directions to respond.

我的意思是，我的大腦會從不同的方向做出反應。

I mean, the first thing I'd say is some of the best art experiences I've ever had was while I was in the audience watching another poet on stage.

我的意思是，我想說的第一件事是，我曾經有過的一些最棒的藝術經歷，就是我在觀眾席上觀看另一位詩人在舞臺上表演的時候。

Because I know what it is and I know what it can be.

因為我知道它是什麼，也知道它能成為什麼。

But that's because I've experienced it, to your point.

但這是因為我經歷過，這是你的觀點。

When I'm talking to people about what I do for a living, if I say I'm a writer, that's one conversation.

當我和別人談論我的職業時，如果我說我是一名作家，那就是一次對話。

But if I say I'm a poet, they're either super interested, which is very rare, or they just start looking over my shoulder.

但如果我說我是個詩人，他們要麼超級感興趣，這非常罕見，要麼就開始側目而視。

Do you like the word I'm a poet?

你喜歡 "我是詩人 "這個詞嗎？

Do you like the word I write poems?

你喜歡我寫的詩嗎？

Or if you got to choose your own word or your job description, what would you rather it say on your business card?

或者，如果你可以選擇自己的用詞或工作描述，你希望名片上寫什麼？

Well, the thing is that it is authentic.

問題是，它是真實的。

It's the truth.

這是事實。

I am a poet.

我是一個詩人。

And I'm many other things.

我還有很多其他身份。

I'm an author.

我是一名作家。

I'm a facilitator.

我是一名主持人。

I'm a songwriter.

我是個作曲家

But I'm a poet.

但我是個詩人。

And a lot of the foundational work of my art, it really does connect to that term.

我的很多基礎藝術作品都與這個詞有關。

Do you have a favorite?

你有最喜歡的嗎？

So the real answer is that it's the...

所以真正的答案是...

Don't tell me I love all my children equally.

別跟我說我對所有孩子都一視同仁。

No, I don't.

不，我沒有。

But it's the one that is closest to creation.

但它是最接近創造的。

Because that's the one that's closest to source.

因為那是最接近源頭的一個。

Okay.

好的

Will you share it?

你願意分享嗎？

Yes.

是的。

It's the last one that I wrote.

這是我寫的最後一篇。

Alright.

好吧。

Better up.

最好向上。

I don't know is a perfectly appropriate answer to any question.

我不知道 "是對任何問題都非常恰當的回答。

I don't know.

我不知道。

And I won't pretend to know to get attention.

我也不會為了吸引眼球而假裝知道。

I don't know.

我不知道。

Why does everybody have to have a perspective?

為什麼每個人都要有自己的觀點？

I'm not taking a position can be a powerful position.

我不是在表態，我的表態可以很有力。

I don't know.

我不知道。

And I won't be forced to give you an opinion.

我也不會強迫你發表意見。

I'm allowed to just listen.

我可以只聽。

Silence is not always indifference.

沉默並不總是無動於衷。

Silence is not always violence.

沉默並不總是暴力。

Sometimes silence is just fucking silence.

有時候，沉默就是他媽的沉默。

It's okay to be quiet.

安靜點沒關係。

It's okay to be patient.

耐心點沒關係。

I'm not yet an expert on this specific situation.

我還不是這方面的專家。

I need more education.

我需要更多的教育。

I need more information.

我需要更多資訊。

I need more conversation.

我需要更多的對話。

What I don't need is more posting from a random Jane or Jason living in their parent's basement.

我不需要更多來自住在父母地下室的簡或傑森的帖子。

They don't know.

他們不知道。

But it's wasting space for me to tell them so.

但我這樣告訴他們是在浪費空間。

So I comment in my head instead and try to let it go.

於是，我就在腦子裡評論，並試著讓它過去。

Because I don't want to use my voice to be a part of all the noise.

因為我不想用我的聲音成為所有噪音的一部分。

I cherish freedom of speech but also freedom of choice.

我珍視言論自由，但也珍視選擇自由。

And I won't blindly follow anyone.

我不會盲從任何人。

Get off our timelines.

從我們的時間表上消失

You're like what happens after arrogance and ignorance combine.

你就像傲慢和無知結合後的產物。

So I remind myself to get offline and get some sunshine.

是以，我提醒自己下線，晒晒太陽。

I'm not lying to myself pretending everything is fine.

我沒有欺騙自己，假裝一切都很好。

But I do my best to be compassionate, considerate, and kind.

但我會盡力做到富有同情心、體貼和善良。

To find the things we have in common even when we're not aligned.

找到我們的共同點，即使我們並不一致。

Because two truths can occupy the same space at the same time.

因為兩個真理可以同時佔據同一個空間。

It is not a personal attack on your mind.

這不是對你思想的人身攻擊。

Three or four truths can occupy the same space at the same time.

三個或四個真理可以同時佔據同一個空間。

It is not a personal attack on your mind.

這不是對你思想的人身攻擊。

More truths can occupy the same space at the same time than we can quantify inside our mortal minds.

在同一時間內，同一空間內可能存在的真理比我們的凡人思維所能量化的要多得多。

And I can empathize with all of them because all of them are mine.

我對他們都感同身受，因為他們都是我的孩子。

Society is sick but we ignore the truths for dollar signs.

社會已經病入膏肓，但我們卻為了金錢而忽視了真相。

It's gotten to the point where being crazy has been normalized.

這已經到了 "瘋狂 "常態化的地步。

They only pay attention when our mental health is monetized.

只有當我們的心理健康被貨幣化時，他們才會關注。

They're paid for our attention so we scroll until we're hypnotized.

他們花錢買我們的注意力，所以我們一直在滾動，直到被催眠。

We think we're in control but we believe what we've been advertised.

我們以為自己能掌控一切，但我們相信的卻是別人的宣傳。

The co-opting of pain.

對痛苦的共同利用

But having context is too complex to be made into a meme.

但是，背景太複雜了，不可能被做成備忘錄。

And I don't know is not something that people want to scream.

我不知道這是不是人們想要尖叫的東西。

Because no one wants to die for standing in the in-between.

因為沒有人願意因為站在中間而死去。

They want a slogan that will amplify their fever dream.

他們希望有一個口號能放大他們的狂熱夢想。

They want to pacify or justify the rage that they're feeling.

他們想平息或證明自己的憤怒。

But revenge will make us use an olive branch to choke a dove.

但復仇會讓我們用橄欖枝扼殺鴿子。

It feels good to hate together.

一起憎恨的感覺真好。

It's almost like it's love.

這幾乎就是愛。

But I don't know.

但我不知道。

That is powerful.

這就是力量。

I hung on every word.

我對每一個字都耿耿於懷。

Every word made sense.

每個字都有意義。

One of my great joys is sitting here and watching you get lost in your words.

我最大的樂趣之一就是坐在這裡，看著你沉醉在自己的文字中。

Like being lost in the notes that are coming out.

就像迷失在不斷湧現的音符中。

And I think that's the true test of if you're being authentic.

我認為，這才是檢驗你是否真實的真正標準。

The true test of if you're fully present.

這是對你是否全身心投入的真正考驗。

Is if you get lost in the things you're saying.

是如果你迷失在你所說的事情中。

I think one of the reasons I love talking to you is because of what you do.

我想我喜歡和你哈拉的原因之一就是你的工作。

You and I have shared stages before.

你我曾經同臺演出過。

At events.

在活動中

And you do corporate gigs.

你還做企業演出。

I think it's a very powerful thing that a corporation or an industry event hires a poet.

我認為，企業或行業活動聘請詩人是一件非常有力量的事情。

It says something, I think, about not only the quality of your work, but the power of your art.

我認為，這不僅說明了你的作品品質，也說明了你的藝術力量。

I think it's almost redefining what an artist's life could be.

我認為這幾乎重新定義了藝術家的生活。

I don't think most spoken word artists think corporate gigs could really help.

我認為大多數口語藝術家都不認為企業演出能真正起到幫助作用。

I could spread my message this way.

我可以通過這種方式傳播我的資訊。

Maybe when I was younger I would have had judgment around it.

也許在我年輕的時候，我會對它有所評判。

But now I think it's one of the most powerful and important parts of me sharing my art.

但現在我認為，這是我分享藝術最有力、最重要的部分之一。

Is getting a chance to connect with people.

是有機會與人溝通。

I would argue that it's actually more powerful because when you go to a poetry slam the audience is filled with the converted.

我想說的是，這實際上更有力量，因為當你去參加詩歌大滿貫時，觀眾中充滿了皈依者。

When you go to a corporate audience you're proselytizing.

當你面對企業聽眾時，你就是在傳教。

It's more powerful because it only took one person to hire you but the rest of the audience is like, huh?

它更有力量，因為只需要一個人僱用你，但其他觀眾就會覺得，啊？

They immediately hate me.

他們馬上就會恨我。

I mean you come in and your name is in queue.

我的意思是，你來了，你的名字就在隊列裡。

They don't even know how to call you, Mr. Q.

他們甚至不知道怎麼稱呼你，Q先生。

But isn't it more gratifying to watch people change their preconceived notion of what could be in front of your eyes by you just showing up and telling the truth and then surprising them?

但是，你只要出現在人們面前，告訴他們真相，然後給他們一個驚喜，就能改變他們先入為主的觀念，這難道不是更令人欣慰的事情嗎？

Because often times when I'm doing the workshops I then get people who don't consider themselves poets at all to create their own poems that are meaningful to them and to share them with their coworkers in a way that shocks them.

因為很多時候，當我舉辦研討會時，我都會讓那些根本不認為自己是詩人的人自己創作對他們有意義的詩歌，並以一種震撼他們的方式與他們的同事分享。

So now they're like laughing, they're crying, and they literally can't believe it.

現在他們又哭又笑，簡直不敢相信。

What do you have to do in a workshop to take someone who has a left brain job they're in finance, they're a lawyer, that you get them to a place of presence and creativity where they allow that right brain to flow to access that part of their brain and discover that they have a creativity they never knew they had?

如果有人從事左腦工作，如金融業、律師等，你要怎樣才能讓他在工作坊中找到存在感和創造力，讓他的右腦流動起來，進入大腦的那個部分，發現自己擁有從未意識到的創造力？

Well one thing that I learned a long time ago is that if you want someone to be vulnerable with you, you have to be vulnerable first.

我很久以前就學會了一件事，那就是如果你想讓別人對你脆弱，你就必須先脆弱起來。

And if you are vulnerable first and they don't respond well, they might not have the capacity, it might not be the right container, or they might be an asshole.

如果你首先表現得很脆弱，而他們反應不佳，那可能是他們沒有能力，可能是容器不合適，也可能是他們是個混蛋。

And all of the above are okay.

以上都沒問題。

I don't need to convert everybody.

我不需要讓每個人都改變信仰。

What I have to do is continue to show up over and over again in the time that I have the session with them.

我所要做的，就是在與他們進行會話的時間裡，繼續一次又一次地出現在他們面前。

And eventually almost like a Rubik's Cube, it clicks.

最後，就像魔術方塊一樣，"咔嚓 "一聲，魔術方塊被打開了。

In the workplace a lot of miscommunication comes from lack of context.

在工作場所，很多溝通不暢都是因為缺乏語境。

People actually don't know who they're working with.

實際上，人們並不知道他們在與誰合作。

And so if you have more context and you have a human container where they can have an experience together it can lead to better communication, better collaboration, and better creation.

是以，如果你有更多的語境，你有一個人性化的容器，讓他們可以一起體驗，就能帶來更好的溝通、更好的合作和更好的創造。

If people were vulnerable in the workplace all the time literally nothing would get done.

如果人們在工作場所總是處於弱勢，那麼什麼事都做不成。

But being vulnerable none of the time isn't working either.

但時時刻刻都保持脆弱也是行不通的。

So that's really why people hire me is to come in and give them a container for that moment.

所以，這就是人們聘用我的真正原因，我就是要在那一刻為他們提供一個容器。

A moment for it.

給它一點時間

Exactly.

沒錯。

And I kind of get to sit back and smile because I know what's going to happen every single time as long as I lead by example.

只要我以身作則，我就能坐著微笑，因為我知道每次都會發生什麼。

Okay.

好的

So we're going to have a little fun here.

所以，我們要在這裡找點樂子。

I'm going to write a poem.

我要寫一首詩。

Great.

好極了

So I'm going to follow your methodology which means you have to go first.

所以我打算按照你的方法，也就是你必須先走。

Okay.

好的

Well, you might actually have to turn off the cameras at some point so you can actually do it.

好吧，你可能真的需要在某些時候關掉攝像頭，這樣你才能真正做到這一點。

You can take the five minutes to do it.

你可以花五分鐘來做這件事。

We can do that.

我們可以做到這一點。

Or the ten minutes.

或者十分鐘。

I'll take five minutes and come back.

我休息五分鐘就回來。

Yeah.

是啊

I mean, why not?

我是說，為什麼不呢？

Sure.

當然。

I'll report on how it went.

我會報告進展情況的。

Alright.

好吧。

I'm going to do a poem.

我要寫一首詩。

You're going to start first and you're going to do a poem.

你先來做一首詩。

Yes.

是的。

You're going to be vulnerable.

你會很脆弱。

Show me how it's done.

告訴我怎麼做

The prompt that we're going to use today is to choose a moment in your life.

我們今天要使用的提示是選擇你生命中的一個時刻。

By the way, team, we're all doing this.

順便說一句，隊員們，我們都在這樣做。

So, you know, stand by.

所以，你知道的，隨時待命。

Everybody's writing a poem.

每個人都在寫詩

Charlene ducked out.

夏琳躲了出去。

Okay.

好的

We're going to choose the prompt of thinking back to a moment in your life that changed who you are in a drastic way.

我們將選擇這樣一個提示：回想你生命中的某一時刻，那一時刻極大地改變了你。

So it's a moment where you walked into it one person and you walked out another person.

所以，這一刻，你走進去是一個人，走出來又是另一個人。

It could be good or bad.

這可能是好事，也可能是壞事。

But it has to be moving and meaningful to you.

但它必須讓你感動，對你有意義。

So it has to be something that you wouldn't normally talk about after 15 minutes at a dinner party.

是以，它必須是你通常不會在晚宴上談上 15 分鐘的話題。

It has to be a layer deeper.

必須再深一層。

Because if you choose something that's moving and meaningful even in the 5 or 10 minutes that we do this, the poem will start to write itself.

因為如果你選擇的東西是感人的、有意義的，即使是在我們這樣做的 5 或 10 分鐘內，詩歌也會開始自己寫出來。

The second thing is don't try to make something great.

第二點是不要試圖做出偉大的東西。

Make something true.

做一些真實的事情。

And trust the process.

相信這個過程。

I'm going to do my example of the prompt.

我要舉例說明提示。

It's a poem about meeting my father for the first time when I was 15 years old.

這是一首關於我 15 歲時第一次見到父親的詩。

And when I'm doing this piece, I not only want you to think about the piece, but I want you to think about what it is that you would want to explore.

當我做這個作品時，我不僅希望你能思考這個作品，我還希望你能思考你想探索的是什麼。

I'm staring at the number wondering if I should call.

我盯著號碼，不知道該不該打。

I can hear the tick-tock from the clock on the wall as it meshes with the thump-thump beat of my heart.

我能聽到牆上時鐘的滴答聲，與我砰砰的心跳聲交織在一起。

Sometimes getting something started is the hardest part.

有時，開始做一件事是最難的。

I didn't meet my dad until I was 15.

我直到 15 歲才見到我的父親。

I had seen his photograph, but his image was sickening.

我看過他的照片，但他的形象令人作嘔。

A coward with a dick, but no balls to back it up.

一個有雞巴卻俗仔的懦夫。

See, when he left me as a kid, I had cause for acting up.

你看，小時候他離開我的時候，我就有了表現的理由。

The funny thing about hate is the person you hate doesn't feel that hate.

關於仇恨的有趣之處在於，你所恨的人感覺不到你的恨。

You feel that hate, but wait, the wait can be too much for a person to take, and personally I was hurt so I just locked it away.

你感受到了仇恨，但等待，等待會讓一個人無法承受，我個人也受到了傷害，所以我只是把它鎖了起來。

I was angry all the time.

我一直都很生氣。

And I didn't know why.

我也不知道為什麼。

I couldn't handle my own rage so I would hide it inside, pretending everything was fine and it became a daily pastime.

我無法控制自己的憤怒，所以我會把它藏在心裡，假裝一切正常，這成了我每天的消遣。

Time passed and I started to believe in my own lies.

時間流逝，我開始相信自己的謊言。

I took it out on my mom because she raised me alone.

我把氣都撒在了媽媽身上，因為是她一個人把我拉扯大的。

The rage that I couldn't own had left me totally numb.

我無法擁有的憤怒讓我完全麻木了。

It was like landmines in my mind that I didn't understand so when the boy inside cried, the young man outside yelled.

這就像我腦海中的地雷，我無法理解，所以當裡面的男孩哭泣時，外面的年輕人就大喊大叫。