Jonathan, I have been to this area.

喬納森，我去過這個地區。

It's not like a normal golf course that you drive by in your daily travels and you can see the players playing from the road.

它不像普通的高爾夫球場，你在日常出行中開車經過，在路上就能看到球員們在打球。

The entire course is blocked by greenery if you're on a public road.

如果您走的是公共道路，整個賽道都會被綠化帶擋住。

So how did this guy know that he would have a line of sight to the president?

那麼這個人是怎麼知道他能看到總統的呢？

Because I believe he did surveillance.

因為我相信他進行了監視。

I believe he had somebody telling him or some way to find out what Trump's movement was.

我相信有人告訴過他，或者他有辦法知道特朗普的動向。

When you look at this map right here that you were just talking about, it is surrounded by roads that go right around it and you step off the road onto the sidewalk and straight into the trees and there's a fence right there.

當你看你剛才說的這張地圖時，它被道路環繞，你走下道路，走上人行道，徑直走進樹林，那裡就有一道柵欄。

He picked a location, had time to set up, tie up and fix ballistic plates to the fence along with a supply bag, a GoPro, and set himself up for the shot.

他選擇了一個地點，有時間進行佈置，將防彈板與補給包、GoPro 一起綁在柵欄上並固定好，為拍攝做好準備。

That takes, I mean, if he just ran up there and did it, it would take at least five minutes to do that.

這需要時間，我是說，如果他只是跑到那裡去做，那至少需要五分鐘。

But he also staged his vehicle so he could get away.

不過，他也把車停好，以便逃跑。

So all that occurred in the perimeter in a location where Trump was going to be and just like in Pennsylvania, it was not discovered.

是以，所有這一切都發生在特朗普將要出現的周邊地區，就像在賓夕法尼亞州一樣，沒有被發現。

The perimeter was not secured and this individual was able to go, simply just get out of his car and walk over there.

周圍沒有設防，這個人可以下車走過去。

Now, whether or not he staged it earlier, we don't know, but the reality is he was able to set up a shooter's hide and prepare himself for the shot and let the president get within max effective range of that SKS, which is a Russian AK-47.

現在，他是否早有預謀，我們不得而知，但現實是，他能夠設置一個槍手藏身處，做好開槍的準備，讓總統進入那把SKS（俄羅斯AK-47突擊步槍）的最大有效射程內。

And he could have, if that secret service had not had seen him and the president got a little bit closer, he could have taken the president out yesterday.

如果特勤局沒有看到他，總統離他稍近一點，他昨天就能把總統帶走。

Yeah.

是啊

And Jonathan, how do you feel about, what are your thoughts on the suspected gunman?

喬納森，你對槍手嫌疑人有何看法？

He even spoke to the New York Times recently and apparently he was on this personal mission to form an army of his own to defend Ukraine and he even traveled to Kyiv to do just that.

他最近甚至接受了《紐約時報》的採訪，顯然他的個人使命是組建一支自己的軍隊來保衛烏克蘭，他甚至為此前往基輔。

And the Washington Post is also reporting that he wrote a book last year and he alluded to the fact that he supported Donald Trump in one of the elections, but regrets it.

華盛頓郵報》還報道說，他去年寫了一本書，暗指他在一次選舉中支持了唐納德-特朗普，但他對此感到後悔。

And there's even one line in this apparent book, he says, you are free to assassinate Trump as well as me for that error in judgment.

在這本顯而易見的書中甚至有一句話，他說：你們可以像暗殺我一樣暗殺特朗普，因為這是我的判斷失誤。

So what are your thoughts on the potential political motivation here behind all of this?

那麼，您如何看待這一切背後潛在的政治動機？

You know, I think the left, and I say this with all sincerity.

你知道，我認為左派是真誠的。

I believe the left is a national security threat to this country.

我認為左派是對國家安全的威脅。

I mean, you look at everything that they do, whether it is destroying the children's minds in the education system with this gender grooming, whether it's killing the Southern border and allowing whoever wants to come over to come over and get handouts from the government, propping up and promoting violence against conservatives.

我的意思是，你看看他們所做的一切，無論是在教育系統中用這種性別誘導來摧毀孩子們的心靈，還是扼殺南部邊境，允許任何想過來的人過來並從政府那裡獲得施捨，支持和鼓動針對保守派的暴力。

Let's just look in the past few years, the con, the, the congressional baseball game where Scalise was shot, that individual was a leftist, Bernie Sanders supporter, shot a Congressman with the same type of rifle, an SKS.

讓我們看看過去幾年，斯卡利斯在國會棒球比賽中被槍殺的騙局，那個人是左翼分子，伯尼-桑德斯的支持者，他用同樣類型的步槍--SKS--射殺了一名議員。

I find that strange.

我覺得很奇怪。

You have the shooter in Pennsylvania.

賓夕法尼亞州有槍手。

We don't know what his, his politics were because we haven't found anything from the FBI that we haven't been told anything.

我們不知道他的政治立場是什麼，因為我們沒有從聯邦調查局找到任何東西，我們沒有被告知任何東西。

He was able to use an AR-15 and get within 130 yards of, of the president, former president.

他能夠使用AR-15步槍，距離總統（前總統）不到130碼。

And then we have this individual using the same type of gun as the individual who shot up the congressional baseball game, gets within 400 yards.

而這個人使用的槍支，與在國會棒球比賽中開槍的人使用的槍支類型相同，距離不到400碼。

So in all of these individuals, as far as we can tell, at least two of them are far left individuals.

是以，在所有這些人中，據我們所知，至少有兩個人是極左分子。

Many of the school shooters that have, have killed numerous children in schools have been transgender, which means they've been confused by the left's grooming policies in schools.

許多在學校裡殺害了無數孩子的校園槍手都是變性人，這意味著他們被左派在學校裡的疏導政策所迷惑。

There is a major issue here that everybody is missing because they're trying to be politically correct.

這裡有一個重要的問題，大家都忽略了這個問題，因為他們都在努力做到政治正確。

And that is the fact that the left is a national security threat, that these types of actions that are being taken are not just being taken because this guy doesn't like Trump.

這就是左翼是國家安全威脅的事實，正在採取的這類行動不僅僅是因為這傢伙不喜歡特朗普。

It's the basis in which he doesn't like Trump because Trump didn't support some of his ideals, which are leftist ideals.

這是他不喜歡特朗普的依據，因為特朗普不支持他的一些理想，而這些理想都是左派理想。

And that seems to be a reoccurring issue along with, from an investigative standpoint, these perimeters that are never secured.

從調查的角度來看，這似乎是一個經常出現的問題，同時，這些周界也從未得到過保護。

And it's local law enforcement's fault and it's also the secret service's fault.

這是當地執法部門的錯，也是特勤局的錯。

But these individuals are being allowed to get within max effective range of the weapons that they choose.

但這些人卻被允許進入他們所選擇的武器的最大有效射程內。

And that alone is suspicious to me.

單憑這一點，我就覺得可疑。

And it is unbelievable that that can happen to Trump, who's already been shot once, let alone anybody else that the secret service is protecting.

特朗普已經中過一次槍，更不用說特勤局保護的其他人了，這種事竟然會發生在他身上，實在令人難以置信。

It's just something needs to change when it comes to securing the perimeters or else my suspicion is going to continue to go sky high, which it is right now.

只是在確保周邊安全方面需要有所改變，否則我的懷疑會繼續升溫，現在就是這樣。

And Jonathan, my main concern going forward, one of them, I'm pretty worried that a foreign actor along the lines of what you were saying is going to see how close these two presumably lone individuals got to the president of the United States and say, hey, if we flood the zone with two, three or four foreign actors, they could succeed in the mission to take him out.

喬納森，我對未來的主要擔憂之一是，我很擔心像你所說的那種外國行動者會看到這兩個可能是孤身一人的人離美國總統有多近，然後說，嘿，如果我們用兩個、三個或四個外國行動者充斥這個區域，他們就能成功完成幹掉總統的任務。

And that is a chilling and terrifying thought, Jonathan.

喬納森，這是一個令人不寒而慄的可怕想法。

Yeah.

是啊

So thank God the secret service.

所以，感謝上帝，有特勤局。

Jonathan, really quickly, we got to wrap it up here, but go ahead.

喬納森，很快，我們要結束了，請繼續。

Final thought to you.

最後想對你說的是

Yeah.

是啊

Just one thing.

只有一件事

If enough people who support Trump and support freedom in this country, they could have gone out and surrounded that golf course themselves.

如果有足夠多的人支持特朗普，支持這個國家的自由，他們本可以自己出去包圍那個高爾夫球場。

We could do that, either being hired to do that, or just going out and saying, you know what, we're going to get a group of people together and we're going to walk around where he's at on the outside perimeter.

我們可以這樣做，或者受僱這樣做，或者直接走出去說，你知道嗎，我們要召集一群人，在他所在的外圍走一圈。

And you would have done a better job because you would have probably spotted this person.

你會做得更好，因為你可能會發現這個人。

I can't understand why law enforcement isn't doing this.

我不明白為什麼執法部門不這樣做。

And if Trump wants to hire myself or other people like me, I'm not just saying that to get a plug, but there's people out there that can just do perimeter security and we would stop on all of these issues.

如果特朗普想僱用我或其他像我這樣的人，我這麼說並不是想找茬，而是有很多人只需要做好周邊安全工作，我們就可以停止處理所有這些問題。

Yeah.

是啊

Well, thank God that secret service agent on the advance team spotted the gun poking out of that chain link fence.

謝天謝地，先遣隊的特勤人員發現了那把從鐵絲網上露出來的槍。

But you are right.

但你是對的。

The question remains how it even got to that point is a terrifying prospect.

問題是，它是如何走到這一步的？

Jonathan Gilliam, thank you so much for joining us.

喬納森-吉利安姆，非常感謝您接受我們的採訪。

As always, we appreciate your insight.

我們一如既往地感謝您的真知灼見。

I'm Steve Ducey.

我是史蒂夫-杜西

I'm Brian Kilmeade.

我是布萊恩-基爾梅德

And I'm Ainsley Earhart.

我是安斯利-厄爾哈特

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