They're looking for this man, Joseph Couch.

他們在找這個人 約瑟夫-庫奇

Police say he is armed and dangerous.

警方稱他持有武器，十分危險。

This afternoon, investigators say they found his car and the suspected weapon.

今天下午，調查人員說他們找到了他的車和疑似武器。

He used an A.

他用的是 A。

R. 15 authorities say couch shot into cars as they passed by on Interstate 75 in rural Laurel County.

R.15 當局稱，在勞雷爾縣農村地區的 75 號州際公路上，當汽車經過時，沙發向汽車射擊。

Five people were wounded in the attack.

五人在襲擊中受傷。

One of the harrowing experience.

慘痛經歷之一。

We just heard this deafening loud sound, and it sounded like like a rock went through my back window, and our ears were ringing, and we just looked at each other and we were like, Was that a gun shot?

我們只聽到一聲震耳欲聾的巨響，聽起來就像一塊石頭穿過了我的後窗，我們的耳朵嗡嗡作響，我們面面相覷，心想：那是槍聲嗎？

And then we're like, That can't be a gun shot, you know, because we're driving down the highway.

然後我們就想，那不可能是槍聲，你知道，因為我們正行駛在高速公路上。

Um, and there was a white truck that was next to us in the right hand lane, and all of a sudden he slowed down and pulled off to the shoulder, and we thought maybe it was his tire had blown out or something, but it was much louder than a tire blowing out.

有一輛白色卡車停在我們旁邊的右側車道上，突然他放慢了車速，停在了路肩上，我們以為可能是他的輪胎爆了什麼的，但那聲音比輪胎爆了要大得多。

CNN's Gloria Paz.

CNN 的格洛麗亞-帕斯（Gloria Paz）。

Mina was tracking the latest developments in this case.

米娜正在追蹤此案的最新進展。

Gloria, what are you learning?

格洛麗亞，你在學什麼？

Fred, we're starting to hear from some of the victims, and you can just imagine how chaotic this scene was.

弗雷德，我們開始聽到一些受害者的聲音，你可以想象現場有多混亂。

You're driving along a highway, you're moving at fast speed, and all of a sudden you hear gunshots.

你在高速公路上行駛，車速很快，突然你聽到了槍聲。

And my colleague, Jillian Sykes, actually just spoke with one of the survivors of this gunfire.

我的同事吉莉安-賽克斯（Jillian Sykes）剛剛採訪了其中一名倖存者。

Her name is Rebecca Poirier, and she's a 28 year old woman who was driving her car along with her husband and her four year old son.

她叫 Rebecca Poirier，28 歲，當時正與丈夫和 4 歲的兒子一起開車。

And what you're seeing there is the picture of her car with the window shattered after a bullet pierced through it and injured her in the arm.

你們看到的是她的車被子彈擊穿後車窗破碎的照片，她的手臂受了傷。

Rebecca is going to be recovering.

麗貝卡即將康復。

She was already released from the hospital, but she's one of the five people that were injured during this shooting last night.

她已經出院了 但她是昨晚槍擊案中受傷的五人之一

Now, as you said, the manhunt for this suspect continues, and police have identified Joseph Couch.

如你所說，對嫌犯的搜捕仍在繼續 警方已經確認了約瑟夫-庫奇的身份

They believe that he is the suspect behind this incident, and they are asking people in this community, in the city of London, to remain vigilant.

他們認為他就是這起事件的幕後嫌疑人，並要求倫敦市的社區居民保持警惕。

They believe that they have him cordoned to an area where they are currently searching, but they're open to the possibility that he may be elsewhere by now.

他們認為，他們已經將他封鎖在一個區域內，目前正在進行搜索，但他們認為他現在可能在其他地方。

This happened last night, and they had to stop the search in the evening hours because of the dark and just how difficult this area is.

事情發生在昨天晚上，由於天黑和這一地區的艱險，他們不得不在傍晚時分停止搜索。

A lot of trees, a lot of shrub, not a whole lot of light in there for you to be searching at night.

那裡有很多樹，很多灌木，光線很暗，你無法在晚上進行搜索。

I want you to listen to the Laurel County Sheriff's describing some of the injuries that this suspect allegedly caused last night during the shooting.

我想讓你們聽聽勞雷爾郡治安官的描述 據稱嫌犯昨晚在槍擊中造成了一些傷害

Take a listen.

聽一聽

There were some severe injuries.

有一些人受了重傷。

There was an individual that was shot in the face.

有人面部中彈。

There was another individual that was shot in the arm.

還有一個人手臂中彈。

A very severe injury.

傷勢非常嚴重。

Those were the most severe.

這些都是最嚴重的。

A lady shot across the chest.

一位女士胸部中彈

They were very significant, very severe injuries.

傷勢非常嚴重。

I don't want to lessen that.

我不想減少這一點。

We didn't have a fatality, but we certainly had some very serious injuries that will affect these people for the rest of their life.

我們沒有造成人員死亡，但肯定有一些非常嚴重的傷害，這將影響這些人的餘生。

I'm sure it's it's incredible to hear just how lucky everyone got last night.

昨晚大家都很幸運，我相信這一定令人難以置信。

We know that an A.

我們知道，A.

R. 15 was recovered.

R.收回了 15

Police believe that was the weapon that this man used in this shooting.

警方認為這就是這名男子在槍擊案中使用的武器。

They also recovered his vehicle along with the gun case that was inside the vehicle.

他們還找到了他的汽車和車內的槍支。

They believe that he is armed and also learned in the last hour, Fred, that the family of this suspect is cooperating.

他們認為他持有武器，並在最後一小時得知，弗雷德，這名嫌疑人的家人正在合作。

They live elsewhere outside this county, but the sheriff's office did say that they are cooperating.

他們住在縣外的其他地方，但警長辦公室確實說他們正在合作。

He said they have a big task ahead of them in the next several hours.

他說，在接下來的幾個小時裡，他們將面臨一項艱鉅的任務。

They're working against the clock.

他們在與時間賽跑。

They don't want the sun to go down once again without this person being caught on their out there working every possible angle.

他們不希望太陽下山時，這個人還在外面千方百計地活動。

They're using canines, drones, a very wooded area, a difficult to search area, but trying to keep the community, uh, at calm so that they know that this search is ongoing.

他們動用了警犬和無人機，搜索區域林木茂密，搜索難度很大，但他們試圖讓社區保持冷靜，讓他們知道搜索仍在進行中。

Let's talk more now on this man hunt with CNN law enforcement contributor and retired supervisory special agent for the FBI.

現在讓我們與 CNN 執法特約撰稿人、聯邦調查局退休督導特派員就這次追捕行動進行深入探討。

Steve Moore.

史蒂夫-摩爾

Good to see you, Steve.

很高興見到你，史蒂夫。

So this is a rural area of Kentucky.

這裡是肯塔基州的一個農村地區。

We know now a vehicle confiscated.

我們現在知道有一輛車被沒收了。

Gloria reported in a R 15, which they believe might have been involved here.

Gloria 報告了一輛 R 15，他們認為這輛車可能與此案有關。

Um, now how do they go about tracing for some steps toward their suspect?

嗯，現在他們怎麼去追蹤嫌疑人的一些步驟呢？

Well, it's gonna be really difficult.

好吧，這將是非常困難的。

I remember back in the FBI when we were looking for Eric Robert Rudolph for over a year in woods similar to this.

我記得在聯邦調查局的時候，我們在類似的樹林裡尋找埃裡克-羅伯特-魯道夫（Eric Robert Rudolph）長達一年多。

What you have to consider is that if he had one gun, he's got another gun.

你必須考慮的是，如果他有一把槍，他還有另一把槍。

If he was shooting at ambush style at cars before he would shoot ambush style at officers.

如果他之前是伏擊式地向汽車射擊，那麼他也會伏擊式地向警官射擊。

So you have a you have a cordon and they say they believe he's within that area, which is pretty impressive if that's true, that they could be sure of that.

所以你有一個你有一個警戒線，他們說，他們相信他是在該區域內，這是相當令人印象深刻，如果這是真的，他們可以肯定這一點。

But if that's the case, they have to start moving in on him and closing the circle in and each foot you go, you risk, um, you risk losing officers.

但如果是這樣的話，他們就必須開始向他移動，縮小包圍圈，而你每移動一尺，就有可能，嗯，有可能失去軍官。

Um, beyond that, you're talking to anybody.

嗯，除此之外，你可以和任何人說話。

He knows a family, anybody, any friends who could tell you why this happened and where he might go.

他認識家人，認識任何人，認識任何朋友，他們能告訴你為什麼會發生這種事，他可能會去哪裡。

And besides the terrain being among the challenges I covered for a very long time in the Nantahala Forest there for that search for Eric Rudolph reporting on you and your colleagues as well.

我在南塔哈拉森林（Nantahala Forest）為尋找埃裡克-魯道夫（Eric Rudolph）而報道了很長時間，除了地形是我面臨的挑戰之一之外，我還報道了你和你的同事們。

So I understand that.

所以我理解。

But talk to me about the other challenges here when law enforcement is urging people to stay inside.

但是，當執法部門敦促人們待在室內時，這裡還存在其他挑戰。

At the same time, they do need the public's cooperation to be able to report anything suspicious that they see.

同時，他們也需要公眾的合作，以便能夠報告他們看到的任何可疑情況。

Yeah.

是啊

And the problem here is like with Rudolph, uh, they go into people's homes.

這裡的問題是，就像魯道夫一樣 他們會進入別人的家裡

Sometimes they try to find empty homes.

有時，他們會試圖尋找空房子。

They try to find empty vehicles.

他們試圖找到空車。

That's one of the things they're gonna be looking for.

這是他們要找的東西之一。

The law enforcement is if any cars are missing, any trucks are missing.

如果有任何汽車或卡車丟失，執法部門就會採取行動。

Um, so when you have people stuck in their homes, it's not easy for them to obviously they're not out and about seeing things.

是以，當人們被困在家中時，他們顯然不容易出門看東西。

But at the same time, they have to protect themselves in their home and be vigilant and ready to call because this person, if they're alive and we don't know, but they're going to need food, they're gonna need water and they're going to probably go to a more populated area to get that again.

但與此同時，他們必須在家中保護好自己，保持警惕，隨時準備打電話，因為這個人如果還活著，我們也不知道，但他們需要食物，需要水，他們很可能會去人口更稠密的地方再次獲取食物和水。

The suspect is being identified as a joseph couch.

嫌犯名叫約瑟夫-庫奇（Joseph Couch）。

Talk to me to about some of the assets that law enforcement has.

跟我談談執法部門擁有的一些資產。

I understand they brought in a drone to help in the search.

我知道他們帶來了一架無人機幫助搜尋。

Drones are going to be very useful.

無人機將大有用武之地。

But as you know, from from that kind of forested area, um, it's very difficult to look down, see down.

但你也知道，從那種森林地帶往下看，很難看到下面。

I mean, the FBI police departments, we now have, uh, we now have, uh, clear.

我的意思是，聯邦調查局的警察部門，我們現在有，呃，我們現在有，呃，清晰。

We have infrared detection.

我們有紅外線探測系統。

We have all these things that are pretty much blocked by trees.

我們有很多東西都被樹木擋住了。

The drones can operate, but in a forested area, they're limited in their effectiveness.

無人機可以操作，但在森林地區，它們的作用有限。

And so what you're going to be doing is is looking at night, especially you're going to be looking within the forest horizontally trying to pick up silhouette heat silhouettes.

是以，你要做的就是在夜間觀察，尤其是在森林中橫向觀察，試圖捕捉到熱剪影。

The problem there is there are deer, there are rabbits.

那裡的問題是有鹿，有兔子。

The first time you see something like that, you don't even believe how many heat sources you see.

第一次看到這樣的東西，你甚至不相信自己看到了多少熱源。

So it becomes just a bigger haystack in a smaller needle.

是以，這只是在更小的針尖上發現了更大的乾草堆。

Oh, I remember that was a gigantic obstacle as well.

哦，我記得那也是一個巨大的障礙。

An observation during that search for Eric Rudolph in the Nantahala Forest.

在南塔哈拉森林尋找埃裡克-魯道夫的過程中觀察到的情況。

Breaking news.

爆炸性新聞

The Laurel County Sheriff's Department saying the search for the gunman they say opened fire on Interstate 75 in Kentucky will be temporarily suspended at dark.

勞雷爾縣警察局稱，搜捕他們所說的在肯塔基州 75 號州際公路上開槍的槍手的行動將在天黑時暫時停止。

Again, the biggest problem that we have up there is the remoteness of the area.

同樣，我們在那裡遇到的最大問題是地處偏遠。

Uh, it's already starting to get a little bit dark.

呃，天已經開始有點黑了。

That's that doesn't work in our favor.

這對我們不利。

I'm sure we're gonna we're gonna go on till dark tonight.

我相信今晚我們會一直幹到天黑。

Joining us now.

現在加入我們。

CNN Senior National Security Analyst Juliet Kayyem.

CNN高級國家安全分析員朱麗葉-凱耶姆。

Juliet, I know you were with us last night as this was all unfolding.

朱麗葉，我知道昨晚你和我們在一起，這一切都發生了。

Now we're getting a little bit more information.

現在我們得到了更多的資訊。

This would be the second night of searching in the woods for the suspect.

這將是在樹林裡搜尋嫌疑人的第二個夜晚。

Clearly, they don't think it's worth it to try to search once it gets dark.

顯然，他們認為天一黑就不值得再搜尋了。

What kind of hurdles are they facing right now?

他們現在面臨什麼樣的障礙？

Well, part of it is just gonna be, um, the sort of productivity that can occur in the dark is quite limited.

嗯，部分原因是，嗯，在黑暗中能產生的生產力是相當有限的。

And so they're probably they're just balancing the benefits of continuing this as compared to just suspending it for 67 hours and then starting again in the morning.

是以，他們可能只是在權衡繼續這樣做的好處，而不是僅僅暫停 67 個小時，然後早上再開始。

Look, it is much harder, um, to hide for long periods of time than it was during the Unabomber Asia.

聽著，比起 "Unabomber亞洲 "時期，現在要長時間藏身要難得多。

We have drones.

我們有無人機

We have signal intelligence.

我們有信號情報。

People have cell phones.

人們有手機。

They get hungry.

他們餓了。

Uh, it is hard to hide out for long periods of time unless it was planned for.

除非事先計劃好，否則很難長時間躲藏起來。

And so part of this is just patience.

是以，這其中的一部分就是耐心。

I remind people in Maine, um, during that mass shooting, uh, that the perpetrator, uh, went missing for over 48 hours.

我提醒緬因州的人們，在那場大規模槍擊案中，行凶者失蹤超過48小時。

He died from a self inflicted wound.

他死於自殘。

So lots of things can happen.

是以，很多事情都可能發生。

And the fact that he's not caught in the first day or so doesn't mean that he's gone forever.

第一天左右沒抓到他，並不意味著他就永遠消失了。

And authorities say they found this AR 15 and several magazines.

當局說他們發現了這把AR15步槍和幾個彈夾。

What does that mean for the continuing threat?

這對持續威脅意味著什麼？

Yeah, I think a couple things.

是的，我想有幾件事。

I mean, one is it's very rare to find someone in these instances who has only one gun.

我的意思是，一是在這種情況下，只擁有一把槍的人非常罕見。

So there are there's other weapons that we should anticipate that this is a person who is armed and dangerous.

是以，我們應該預料到這是一個持有武器的危險人物。

That's why the community has been told not to engage anyone, not to look out for for him on your own.

這就是為什麼社區被告知不要與任何人接觸，不要自己去找他。

If there's anything suspicious to to call it in.

如果有任何可疑之處，就打電話報告。

I have in all of these cases, there are additional arms.

在所有這些情況下，我都有額外的武器。

And in this case, this is someone who clearly knows the damage that they are can do.

在這種情況下，這個人顯然知道自己可能造成的傷害。

It is lucky on only luck that people were not killed on the highway from either bullets or in response to the bullets in terms of automobile accidents.

在高速公路上，人們沒有被子彈打死，也沒有因子彈而發生車禍，這隻能說是幸運。

I actually can't leave it, given the number of bullets that we have seen.

鑑於我們看到的子彈數量，我其實不能離開它。

And and so he is he is he is someone we should anticipate has more weapons.

是以，他是我們應該預料到會擁有更多武器的人。

And so ultimately, I think for anyone that's kind of in that area, of course, I'm sure they're nervous and on edge tonight.

所以最終，我想對於任何一個身處其中的人來說，當然，我相信他們今晚都會緊張不安。

But but as you were alluding to in your first answer, typically it is it is hard to just disappear these days.

但是，正如你在第一個回答中提到的，如今要想銷聲匿跡通常很難。

Typically, they are able to ultimately track this person down, even though it may even though it may take more time.

通常情況下，他們能夠最終找到這個人，儘管這可能需要更多的時間。

It sounds like just because they're suspending this it because it's dark, et cetera.

聽起來就像是因為天色太暗，他們才暫停這個項目，諸如此類。

They're obviously still working hard to find this person.

他們顯然還在努力尋找這個人。

That's exactly right.

這就對了。

Look, they have a name.

看，他們有名字。

They know where he lived.

他們知道他住在哪裡。

They know who his colleagues, friends, family are.

他們知道他的同事、朋友和家人是誰。

They they know what the car looks like.

他們知道這輛車長什麼樣。

They have his phone number.

他們有他的電話號碼

They have drones.

他們有無人機。

They have all whether he's contacting anyone, they have credit cards, presumably ATM cards in this day and age.

他們都有他是否聯繫過的人，他們有信用卡，在這個時代應該還有ATM卡。

It is very difficult to disappear.

它很難消失。

Look, he's trying to disappear.

看，他想消失

One hopes and go into hiding.

一個人希望並躲藏起來。

But that is hard to do for long periods of time.

但這很難長期做到。

He may have set up some way to maintain his ability to stay hidden, whether he hoarded a water because a survivor list.

他可能設置了某種方法來保持自己的隱蔽能力，無論是囤積水還是倖存者名單。

We don't know.

我們不知道。

But but in the end, my confidence is just based on, uh, history that in most of these cases, the person screws up, gets lonely, needs something and therefore exposes where he is to law enforcement.

但歸根結底，我的信心只是基於，呃，歷史上，在大多數這些情況下，人搞砸了，變得孤獨，需要的東西，是以暴露了他在執法部門。

All right, Juliet.

好吧，朱麗葉。

I am always good to have your expertise.

有你的專業知識，我總是很高興。

Thanks so much.

非常感謝。

Thank you.

謝謝。