Alex is standing by with California governor Gavin Newsom.

亞歷克斯正與加利福尼亞州州長加文-紐森在一起。

Alex Thanks, Rachel Just a few minutes ago governor Donald Trump entered the spin room Yeah, there had been some speculation some rumor rumors earlier in the day that he might pull a trick like that I actually was skeptical because I was able to enter this arena with a large hoagie wrapped in brown paper This was not a highly secure facility for someone who has just survived an assassination attempt.

亞歷克斯 謝謝，瑞秋 就在幾分鐘前，州長唐納德-特朗普進入了旋轉室 是的，今天早些時候曾有一些猜測 一些傳言說他可能會使出這樣的伎倆 我實際上是持懷疑態度的，因為我能帶著一個用牛皮紙包裹的大三明治進入這個場館

Nonetheless He was just here Spinning his spin.

儘管如此，他還是在這裡轉著圈。

What do you think that represents in terms of his assessment an act of desperation?

從他的評估來看，你認為這代表了什麼？

He knows he got his clock clean from the moment She came out on stage when she introduced himself She had the courage to go over to him shake his hand clearly was uncomfortable and introduced herself as Kamala Harris Kamala Harris She commanded the room from the second.

他知道，從她上臺自我介紹的那一刻起，他的時鐘就被清空了。她鼓起勇氣走到他面前與他握手，顯然有些不自在，並介紹自己是卡馬拉-哈里斯 Kamala Harris，她從一開始就掌控了全場。

She came out She was a commander-in-chief and she had him on the defense the entire night If this was a prize fight would have been TKO in the second round She did as well or better than any of us could have hoped for and I know her well enough to know this The best is yet to come she can do that even more with more experience more time on the campaign trail You're going to see the quality of her performance only improve, you know We just played that sound of the exchange she had with Donald Trump on his role in overturning Roe v Wade something at at one point he said he had done a great service to the country by appointing the Supreme Court justices who overturned Roe and Then said it was what everybody wanted When you think about the issue that could decide the election that could be the whole ballgame Well the way she was able to humanize that and talk about 12 and 13 year olds that have been raped that are clutching Teddy bears as they're giving birth to the rapist babies I mean what she didn't say is those same 12 and 13 year olds in Mississippi There was one girl that had to bring her kid to seventh grade.

她站了出來，她是總司令，她讓他整晚都處於防守狀態，如果這是一場搏擊比賽，她在第二回合就會被 TKO。她的表現比我們任何人所期望的都要好，甚至更好，我很瞭解她，知道這一點、我們剛剛播放了她與唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）就他在推翻 "羅伊訴韋德案"（Roe v Wade）中的角色所進行的交流，他一度說他任命最高法院法官推翻了 "羅伊訴韋德案"，為國家做出了巨大貢獻，然後說這是每個人都想要的。她能把這個問題人性化 說到被強姦的12歲和13歲的孩子 在生下強姦犯的孩子的時候 抱著泰迪熊

That's Donald Trump's America She was able to bring that to light and in a deeply emotional way that was the the most significant and consequential moment of the debate because she spoke for millions and millions and millions of women and Parents like me with two daughters.

這就是唐納德-特朗普的美國。她以一種感人至深的方式揭示了這一點，這是辯論中最重要、最有影響的時刻，因為她代表了數百萬、數百萬、數百萬婦女和像我這樣有兩個女兒的父母。

That was a significant significant moment And here's why it was significant as well, and it's not an indictment of Joe Biden by any stretch of the imagination But it shows the differentiator.

這是一個意義重大的時刻，這也是它意義重大的原因所在，這絕不是對喬-拜登的控訴，但它顯示了區別。

Yeah, it shows what she is able to bring in terms of her communication particularly on issues like that to a whole nother level and now to this new and Expanded audience and that goes back to why Donald Trump was in the spin room.

是的，這顯示了她在溝通方面的能力，尤其是在類似問題上的溝通能力達到了一個全新的高度，現在又有了新的和更多的閱聽人，這又回到了唐納德-特朗普為什麼會出現在旋轉室裡。

It was a bad night for him Yeah her ability to talk about abortion in a deeply emotional way is resonant enough that I think it's not just about fathers of daughters or women but men people all over the country Understand the gravity of those situations people are sick sick of the way women have been treated in this country sick of the way the LGBTQ community has been treated in this country sick of how immigrants have been treated in this country the african-american community They're sick of it That was another great part of this debate near the end when we talked about the issues of race and she elevated that in a Way that gave it I saw there was a young girl a young african-american girl in the spin room She walked from the back of the room to the front of the room I'm not I'm almost getting emotional about this and she was looking at that screen because she saw herself I mean that was a different level of attachment.

這對他來說是一個糟糕的夜晚 是的，她以一種感人至深的方式談論墮胎問題的能力足以引起共鳴，我認為這不僅僅是女兒或婦女的父親的問題，而是全國人民的問題 理解這些情況的嚴重性 人們對這個國家對待婦女的方式感到厭惡 對這個國家對待LGBTQ群體的方式感到厭惡 對這個國家對待移民的方式感到厭惡 對這個國家對待非洲裔群體的方式感到厭惡我看到旋轉室裡有一個年輕的非洲裔美國女孩，她從房間後面走到房間前面，她看著螢幕，因為她看到了自己，我的意思是，那是一種不同程度的依戀。

It didn't come from here that came from here and that's what she brought tonight I I this was this was not a great night for her This is a great night for this country for freedom for democracy the rule of law for social justice and racial justice This is I'm just filled with pride and I'm also filled with pride because that's the Kamala Harris.

這不是從這裡來的，而是從這裡來的，這就是她今晚帶來的，我覺得這對她來說不是一個偉大的夜晚，這對這個國家來說是一個偉大的夜晚，為了自由，為了民主，為了法治，為了社會正義和種族正義，這就是我的驕傲，我也充滿了驕傲，因為這就是卡馬拉-哈里斯。

I've known for 30 years We've been saying this I know people go I would I'm telling you that Kamala Harris I've known for 30 years and this levity she's back in a profound and deep way and I think this is a tough tough night for the campaign for the Trump campaign in another way how they react to this or how they overreact Yes will be more determinative than the punditry in the moment and how the first flash poll moves I think this was shape-shifting in a deeper way and it will show itself over the course of the next few weeks Well, you know, it's the Kamala Harris that you've known for the last 30 years It's also the Donald Trump that the country's known for the last nine Maybe even a worse version of the version that talks about pets being barbecued for lunch She didn't see these cats being eaten by cat dogs and cats.

我認識卡馬拉-哈里斯（Kamala Harris）已經有30年了，她以一種深刻的方式回來了，我認為這對特朗普的競選活動來說是一個艱難的夜晚。我認為這是更深層次的變化，它將在未來幾周內顯現出來、這是你過去30年認識的卡馬拉-哈里斯 這也是這個國家過去9年認識的唐納德-特朗普 甚至可能是更糟糕的版本 談論寵物被燒烤當午餐的版本

I guess are breathing a sigh of relief tonight Yeah, at least one person Hannibal Lecter at least but but you know Trump really you talked before this we went into this that Trump has become kind of a bad imitation of himself and What we saw tonight was a vice president former prosecutor laying these traps repeatedly for Trump who kept walking into them whether it was his father's silver spoon or the size of his rallies or Him being a disgrace on the world stage each and every one of them.

我猜今晚大家都鬆了一口氣，是的，至少有一個人，漢尼拔-萊克特（Hannibal Lecter），但你知道特朗普真的在這之前就說過，特朗普已經變成了一種對自己的糟糕模仿，而我們今晚看到的是，一位副總統、前檢察官反覆為特朗普設下這些陷阱，而特朗普則不斷走進這些陷阱，無論是他父親的銀湯匙，還是他集會的規模，還是他在世界舞臺上的恥辱，每一個都是如此。

He responded to It was too easy It was too easy, I mean this just shows this this shows how consequential this election was she was She laid those traps and they I want to compliment her, but there wasn't even that complex They're just trigger words and you just watch you saw his physiology size I move you knew where he was gonna go, but it's also what the rest of the world does to Donald Trump She was absolutely right.

他迴應說："太容易了，太容易了，我的意思是，這只是表明這表明這次選舉是多麼重要，她是她佈置了這些陷阱，他們我想恭維她，但甚至沒有那麼複雜，他們只是觸發詞，你只看你看到了他的生理大小，我移動你知道他會去哪裡，但它也是世界其他地方做什麼唐納德特朗普她是絕對正確的。

I've been in those rooms with elective with foreign leaders all around the I've met with dozens of them They all say exactly what she said tonight.

我曾在這些房間裡與世界各地的外國領導人會面，其中有幾十位他們都說了和她今晚說的一模一樣的話。

They're laughing behind his mouth He's so prone to flattery and as she said favor how he's terrified of being humiliated how easy Manipulated he becomes because he's weak weakness Masquerading as strength and that weakness was exposed tonight in a pretty profound and consequential way because it was over 90 Minutes and he couldn't get off the mat Do you think this debate is the difference-maker that needs to happen for I guess that what it feels like, you know We're being told is gonna be the tightest election of our lifetimes that there needs to be some meaningful sort of Change to move the numbers in any sort of definitive way.

他們在他背後笑 他很容易受人奉承 正如她所說的 他很害怕被羞辱 他很容易被操縱 因為他的弱點偽裝成實力我們被告知 這將是我們有生以來最激烈的一次選舉 我們需要一些有意義的改變 來以任何明確的方式改變選舉結果

I think we all have to be careful not to overhype I think we can over Analyze over, you know too much punditry as I say, I think this unfolds over the force the next few weeks Examples I mean honestly, I think the Taylor Swift endorsement endorsement how Trump reacts to that and how that can create a few news cycles how he reacts in terms of his grievance and his pity party on those networks and how he goes out and does these large-scale events and how he just Consumed by how unfair this was and how rigged this was and all of a sudden that can expose itself is even more damaging Than just the punditry of the moment just the situation tonight.

我認為我們都必須小心謹慎，不要過度炒作，我認為我們可以過度分析，你知道太多的專家學者，正如我所說的，我認為這將在未來幾周的力量中展開，我的意思是誠實的例子、我認為，泰勒-斯威夫特（Taylor Swift）的代言，特朗普對此的反應，以及這如何創造出幾個新聞週期，他如何在這些網絡上表現出他的不滿和憐憫，以及他如何出去做這些大型活動，以及他如何被這是多麼不公平和多麼操縱，以及所有突然暴露出來的東西所消耗，這甚至比今晚的情況更有破壞性。

So no, I think it was That said I'm a little subjective Candidly, but I cannot objectively Imagine in those 60 80 counties within those seven swing states that people truly were open argument interested in evidence They were really kicking the tire how anyone could have concluded That there wasn't just one commander-in-chief and her name was Kamala Harris on stage tonight Well, it was an eventful evening for both sides of the race.

所以，不，我認為是這樣的，說實在的，我有點主觀，但我無法客觀地想象，在這七個搖擺州的60個80個縣裡，人們真的對證據感興趣，他們真的在踢輪胎，怎麼會有人得出結論說，今晚臺上不是隻有一個總司令，她的名字是卡馬拉-哈里斯。

Do you think there should be another debate?

你認為應該再舉行一次辯論嗎？

There will be another absolutely unequivocally there should be another debate and it should be coming it come in October He said anytime anywhere Let's do it.

絕對會有另一場辯論，而且應該在 10 月舉行，他說隨時隨地，讓我們開始吧。

Why wouldn't we?

為什麼不呢？

All right, Governor Gasman Newsom.

好的，加斯曼-紐森州長

I mean, I think we're just gonna take this show on the road Rachel just go sell cheese sandwiches out of the back of the VW and follow this follow this ride Miracle I'd pay good money.

我的意思是，我覺得我們應該把這個節目帶上路 瑞秋只是去賣奶酪三明治了大眾汽車的後面，並按照這個按照這個騎奇蹟，我會付很好的錢。

I'd buy the t-shirt.

我會買那件 T 恤。

I'd do the whole thing.

我會做整件事情。

Thank you guys.

謝謝你們

It's great You

你真棒