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  • You're invited to a real English conversation with me and my husband, Dan.

    我們邀請您與我和我的丈夫 Dan 進行一次真正的英語對話。

  • Hi.

    你好。

  • We're going to be talking about education today.

    我們今天要討論的是教育。

  • You asked us your top education questions in English, and we're going to have a chit chat about those questions, immerse you in English, and I hope you will end up on the other side of this conversation with a higher level of vocabulary, more confidence about speaking in English, and you'll enjoy it along the way.

    你用英語向我們提出了你最關心的教育問題,我們將就這些問題進行閒聊,讓你沉浸在英語氛圍中,我希望你能在對話的另一端掌握更多的詞彙,對說英語更有信心,同時你也會享受其中。

  • And like always, I've created a free PDF worksheet, which is over Dan's face at the moment, with all of today's important vocabulary, definitions, sample sentences, everything that you're going to hear in this lesson, you will get in the free PDF worksheet.

    和往常一樣,我製作了一份免費的 PDF 工作表,現在就在丹的臉上,上面有今天所有的重要詞彙、定義、例句,你們在這節課上聽到的所有內容,都會在這份免費的 PDF 工作表中找到。

  • So you can click on the link in the description to download that free PDF worksheet today.

    是以,你可以點擊說明中的鏈接,下載免費的 PDF 工作表。

  • All right, Dan, are you ready to get started with the first question that our students have asked us?

    好了,丹,你準備好開始回答學生們提出的第一個問題了嗎?

  • Yes.

    是的。

  • I'm ready to get educated.

    我已經準備好接受教育了。

  • All right, let's do it.

    好吧,我們開始吧

  • Today's education questions were asked by my student, Carmen, from Italy, and Mai in

    今天的教育問題是由我的學生、來自意大利的卡門和麥伊提出的。

  • Australia.

    澳洲。

  • Are you ready for the first one?

    你準備好了嗎?

  • I'm ready.

    我準備好了

  • All right.

    好吧

  • The first question is, what age does school start in the U.S.?

    第一個問題是,美國幾歲開始上學?

  • That's where we're from, the U.S., and what does the education system look like?

    我們來自美國,美國的教育體系是什麼樣的?

  • So let's start with the first question.

    讓我們從第一個問題開始。

  • What age does school start in the U.S.?

    美國幾歲開始上學?

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • So a lot of kids go to some kind of school around four years old.

    是以,很多孩子在四歲左右都會去上某種學校。

  • So this would be preschool, and in a lot of cases, this is not provided by the state.

    是以,這將是學前教育,而在很多情況下,國家並不提供學前教育。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • This is something that parents have to pay for out of pocket.

    這部分費用需要家長自掏腰包。

  • And I would say this is kind of like daycare, except maybe a little more education peppered in because they're really little kids.

    我想說的是,這裡有點像託兒所,只不過因為他們真的是小孩子,所以可能會多一點教育。

  • And then official school is kindergarten, which starts around five or six years old.

    正式學校是幼兒園,大約從五六歲開始。

  • And this is where real school begins.

    真正的學校從這裡開始。

  • We're sitting and trying to learn our letters and alphabet and reading, and here's numbers and all that kind of thing.

    我們正坐著努力學習字母和閱讀,還有數字之類的東西。

  • And then elementary school would be first through fifth grade, which is probably, what, seven to 11 or 12?

    然後小學是一年級到五年級,大概是 7 到 11 或 12 歲?

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Something like that.

    差不多就是這樣。

  • 10, 11 years old.

    10、11 歲

  • Yep.

    是的。

  • And then it moves on to middle school, which is everybody's favorite time of existence, 12 to 14-ish.

    然後進入國中,這是每個人最喜歡的時期,12 到 14 歲左右。

  • This is a great example of sarcasm.

    這是一個諷刺的好例子。

  • Oh, yes.

    哦,是的。

  • This is sarcasm.

    這是諷刺。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Middle school, not known for being the most fun time.

    國中,並不是眾所周知的最快樂的時光。

  • And it's funny because a lot of kids are moving at this time.

    有趣的是,很多孩子都在這個時候搬家。

  • They could be going to a different school, different classes, and then you're going through this awkward time in your life, and here's some other new people for you.

    他們可能會去不同的學校、不同的班級,然後你正經歷著人生中的這段尷尬時期,而這裡又有一些新朋友。

  • It'll be fun.

    會很有趣的

  • So yeah, that's an interesting time.

    所以是的,這是一個有趣的時代。

  • Usually middle school has the stereotype of being pretty rough, pretty tricky.

    通常,人們對國中的刻板印象是相當粗暴、相當棘手。

  • And then after middle school is high school.

    國中畢業後就是高中。

  • And by that point, you're, what, like 14 years old?

    那時候,你才14歲吧?

  • You're a real man.

    你是個真正的男人

  • Like 14 through 18 years old.

    比如 14 到 18 歲。

  • So you're not right at the beginning, the cusp of puberty.

    所以你並不是在青春期的開始階段。

  • Instead, you're a little further in and maybe a little more mature, maybe.

    相反,你走得更遠一些,也許更成熟一些。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Ninth grade is still kind of awkward.

    九年級還是有點尷尬。

  • Ninth grade is still pretty awkward.

    九年級還是挺尷尬的。

  • Because when you're in ninth grade and you're like 14 or 15, and then you see like a 17 or 18-year-old.

    因為當你讀九年級的時候,你只有十四五歲,然後你會看到一個十七八歲的孩子。

  • A lot of the, especially if you're a guy like me, puberty can hit all of a sudden and then you'll be a man versus like I was, a boy.

    很多時候,尤其是像我這樣的男生,青春期可能會突然來臨,然後你就會變成一個男人,而不是像我一樣是個男孩。

  • A little boy when you're in ninth grade.

    九年級時的小男孩

  • Hi, guys.

    你們好

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • So this is the typical progression of school.

    這就是學校的典型發展過程。

  • And there's a couple of different options in the US.

    在美國有幾種不同的選擇。

  • You could go to public school, which is free.

    你可以上公立學校,那是免費的。

  • It's paid for by your taxes.

    這是由你們的稅款支付的。

  • So if you pay taxes, it's technically not free.

    是以,如果你交稅,從技術上講就不是免費的。

  • Free not free.

    免費不免費。

  • Yes, free not free.

    是的,免費而非免費。

  • It's paid for by the state.

    費用由國家支付。

  • You could go to public school.

    你可以上公立學校。

  • You could go to a public charter school.

    你可以去公立特許學校。

  • So this is kind of a nuance where you don't have to pay extra to go to a charter school, but it's somehow-

    是以,這是一種細微差別,你不必為上特許學校支付額外費用,但在某種程度上--

  • It's run privately.

    它是私人經營的。

  • It's run privately.

    它是私人經營的。

  • It's smaller.

    它更小。

  • Usually the programs have a little bit higher quality.

    通常,這些節目的品質會更高一些。

  • And to get into a charter school, you often need to do a lottery.

    要進入特許學校,往往需要抽籤。

  • And this isn't like the lottery where you try to win a million dollars.

    這可不像彩票,你想贏一百萬美元就能贏一百萬美元。

  • This is where you just sign up and they pull a kid's name out of a hat.

    你只需報名,他們就會從帽子裡抽出一個孩子的名字。

  • Totally random.

    完全隨機。

  • And if you get it, you get it.

    如果你得到了,你就得到了。

  • And if you don't, you don't.

    如果你不這樣做,你就不會這樣做。

  • So it's not based on your income.

    是以,它不是基於你的收入。

  • It's not based on where you live.

    這並不取決於你住在哪裡。

  • Because most public schools are based on where you live.

    因為大多數公立學校都是根據您的居住地而定的。

  • You have to go to the school in your neighborhood.

    你必須去你附近的學校。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • But a charter school-

    但特許學校

  • Kind of stinks.

    有點臭。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Especially if you live in an area that's really poor, well, your school is probably not going to be very high quality.

    特別是如果你住在一個非常貧窮的地區,那麼你的學校很可能不會很優質。

  • And there's a lot of controversy about that because it's kind of a cycle.

    這引起了很多爭議,因為這是一種循環。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • It's definitely a cycle.

    這絕對是一個循環。

  • You don't have as many resources to get out of poverty and all of that.

    你沒有那麼多的資源來擺脫貧困和所有這些。

  • So we've got public school, charter school, private school.

    是以,我們有公立學校、特許學校和私立學校。

  • I have a little statistic here I looked up in advance, fancy.

    我這裡有一個事先查到的小統計,很有意思。

  • Private schools, 9% of students go to a private school and parents have to pay extra for a private school.

    私立學校,9%的學生就讀於私立學校,家長需要為私立學校支付額外費用。

  • It could be a religious private school.

    可能是一所宗教私立學校。

  • It could be a secular private school.

    它可以是一所世俗的私立學校。

  • Our child, Theo-

    我們的孩子

  • He's probably in the 1% because he goes to a nature school.

    他可能是那 1%,因為他上的是自然學校。

  • It's not religious based.

    它不是基於宗教的。

  • He's in the 0.5%.

    他只佔 0.5%。

  • It's a very unusual private school, but there's also other types of private schools, like a nature school where half of the day they spend time outside in the woods or the teachers try to incorporate the outside nature into the lessons.

    這是一所非常不尋常的私立學校,但也有其他類型的私立學校,比如自然學校,他們每天有一半的時間在外面的樹林裡度過,或者老師們嘗試把外面的大自然融入到課程中。

  • A lot of times these schools will call themselves alternative education.

    很多時候,這些學校會自稱為替代教育。

  • So that just means we're trying to do something different here.

    這說明我們在嘗試做一些不同的事情。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • And there's varying degrees of quality.

    而且品質參差不齊。

  • Just because you're paying for it doesn't mean that it's going to be vastly better quality than the free public school.

    你付錢並不意味著它的品質會比免費公立學校好得多。

  • So if you come to the US and you think, I want my kid to have the best education, I think I can afford to pay for private school, make sure you check it out first and make sure that it's actually the quality that you want.

    是以,如果你來到美國,並認為我想讓我的孩子接受最好的教育,我想我能負擔得起私立學校的費用,請務必先去看看,確保它的品質確實是你想要的。

  • There are a lot of scholarships actually.

    實際上,有很多獎學金。

  • So the school that our son goes to, a lot of people have an 80% scholarship to go to the school, which makes it very affordable.

    是以,我們兒子就讀的學校,很多人都有 80% 的獎學金,這讓他們負擔得起。

  • The state has scholarships.

    國家設有獎學金。

  • The school provides some scholarships.

    學校提供一些獎學金。

  • There's some grants given to the school to provide scholarships.

    學校還獲得了一些助學金,以提供獎學金。

  • So they're trying to make it more accessible.

    是以,他們正試圖讓更多人瞭解它。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Most schools, especially private schools and anything education related, you're going to find a lot of organizations that will try to help kids get into whatever they really, really want.

    大多數學校,尤其是私立學校和任何與教育相關的學校,都會有很多組織會盡力幫助孩子們進入他們真正想要的學校。

  • And the government helps with that as well in America.

    在美國,政府也在這方面提供幫助。

  • I think a lot of it comes down to the parents having the ability to sign up, follow through with the applications, sign up for the scholarship.

    我認為,這在很大程度上取決於家長是否有能力報名、跟進申請、申請獎學金。

  • That doesn't mean it's easy.

    這並不意味著這很容易。

  • It doesn't mean it's easy, but it is an option.

    這並不意味著容易,但這是一種選擇。

  • There's a fourth option, which is what Dan experienced when he was a child, homeschooling.

    還有第四種選擇,這就是丹小時候的經歷--家庭教育。

  • Look at me.

    看著我

  • So interestingly enough, what percent of Americans do you think homeschool?

    有趣的是,您認為在家上學的美國人佔百分之幾?

  • This means that generally, don't peek.

    也就是說,一般情況下,不要偷看。

  • Your mom- This is what I learned in homeschooling.

    你的媽媽--這是我在家庭教育中學到的。

  • Your mom or your dad is your teacher, usually your mom.

    你的媽媽或爸爸是你的老師,通常是你的媽媽。

  • And there's local organizations that you can join weekly, like a co-op.

    您還可以每週加入當地組織,比如合作社。

  • They call it a homeschooling co-op.

    他們稱之為家庭教育合作社。

  • What percent of American children are homeschooling as of 2021 or 2022?

    截至 2021 年或 2022 年,在家接受教育的美國兒童比例是多少?

  • Well, I would have guessed it was very low.

    嗯,我想應該是很低的。

  • See, I think I looked at your phone earlier and saw it.

    看,我想我剛才看了你的手機,看到了。

  • You cheated.

    你作弊

  • Well, you showed it to me.

    你給我看了

  • Okay.

    好的

  • But I would have guessed like 2% before seeing that.

    不過,在看到這個數字之前,我猜應該是 2%。

  • Okay.

    好的

  • But I think it's higher.

    但我認為要高一些。

  • Yes.

    是的。

  • The answer is 7%.

    答案是 7%。

  • Which is pretty high, actually.

    事實上,這已經很高了。

  • It's almost the same amount as go to private school.

    這和上私立學校差不多。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • That's crazy.

    太瘋狂了

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • So 7%.

    所以是 7%。

  • And the interesting thing is-

    有趣的是

  • I guess it probably bumped up after COVID too.

    我想它可能也是在 COVID 之後才上升的。

  • Yes.

    是的。

  • That's the big thing.

    這才是最重要的。

  • So before COVID, it was, I think, 4% or 5%.

    是以,在 COVID 之前,我認為是 4% 或 5%。

  • And now it's 7%.

    現在是 7%。

  • And it's growing 10% every year.

    而且每年增長 10%。

  • So it's hard to talk about those stats, but it's growing every year because of all the changes in education.

    是以,很難談及這些統計數據,但由於教育領域的各種變化,這些數據每年都在增長。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • And public school has gotten kind of like a bad reputation as well.

    公立學校的名聲也不太好。

  • I mean, there's varying qualities, but a lot of people where they live, their school is not very good.

    我的意思是,品質參差不齊,但很多人住的地方,他們的學校不是很好。

  • And it's not just teachers.

    這不僅僅是教師的問題。

  • It's also like the peers you're with and it's kind of, I don't know.

    這就像你的同齡人一樣,我也說不清楚。

  • I mean, obviously I teach at an alternative school, so I don't, I'm not a big fan of the traditional model and I don't like all the bureaucracy and not to say that there's not a lot of good hearted people in the system.

    我的意思是,很明顯,我在一所另類學校教書,所以我不太喜歡傳統模式,我不喜歡所有的官僚主義,並不是說這個系統中沒有很多心地善良的人。

  • I just think that the system is, well, it might sound a little cliche, but it's broken.

    我只是覺得,這個系統聽起來可能有點老套,但它已經壞掉了。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • So those are the general options in the US.

    以上就是美國的一般選擇。

  • And I think the cool thing is that if you choose an alternative option, private school, charter school, homeschooling, it's not seen as very weird.

    我覺得最酷的是,如果你選擇了另一種方式,私立學校、特許學校、家庭學校,這並不被認為是非常奇怪的事情。

  • It's unusual.

    這很不尋常。

  • It's not the majority, but you're not like an outcast.

    雖然不是大多數,但你也不像個棄兒。

  • You're not so weird like, oh my goodness, you homeschool?

    你不是那麼怪異,就像,哦,我的天哪,你在家上學?

  • It's not like that generally.

    一般來說不是這樣的。

  • It's just, oh, okay.

    只是,哦,好吧。

  • Someone does something different.

    有人做了不同的事。

  • I think that's kind of like in the American culture.

    我覺得這有點像美國文化。

  • That is very much an American culture thing.

    這在很大程度上是一種美國文化。

  • You accept people, try to accept people who do different things.

    你接受別人,試著接受做不同事情的人。

  • And because we lived in South Korea for a while, we felt that difference so big.

    因為我們曾在韓國生活過一段時間,所以我們感覺到這種差異非常大。

  • We never met anybody who homeschooled there.

    我們從未見過在那裡接受家庭教育的人。

  • We met like one family and we're like, whoa, this is amazing.

    我們就像一家人一樣見面,我們就想,哇,這太棒了。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Everyone uses the same education system and deviating from that norm is really unusual in that culture.

    每個人都使用相同的教育系統,偏離這一規範在這種文化中確實很不尋常。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Or even looked down on.

    甚至被人瞧不起。

  • In America, if you do something different like that, people, they may like sometimes go and like whisper about it or like say, I don't really agree with that, but they'll never tell you to your face that they have a problem with that, just like a decision you might make, especially a personal decision.

    在美國,如果你做了一些與眾不同的事情,人們有時可能會小聲議論,或者說我不太同意,但他們絕不會當面告訴你他們有意見,就像你可能做出的決定,尤其是個人決定。

  • Dan was homeschooled until how old?

    丹在家接受教育到幾歲?

  • Yes.

    是的。

  • Until 13.

    直到 13.

  • I think.

    我想是的

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • It's until middle school.

    一直到國中。

  • And that's pretty cool.

    這很酷。

  • Yes.

    是的。

  • And I feel like homeschooling today is way better than it was when I was a kid.

    我覺得現在的家庭教育比我小時候好多了。

  • Way more resources.

    更多資源。

  • I think that what I experienced, I don't want for my kids, but today I can kind of feasibly see how you can, you know, build up certain social exposures, have certain groups.

    我想,我所經歷的一切,我不想讓我的孩子們也經歷,但今天我可以看到,你可以,你知道,建立起一定的社會接觸面,擁有一定的群體,這是可行的。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • There's a ton of resources online.

    網上有大量資源。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • And your mom certainly did the best that she could do.

    而你的媽媽無疑已經盡力了。

  • Oh yeah.

    哦,是的。

  • My mom did a good job.

    我媽媽做得很好。

  • I think it was just for me personally, I don't think like it fit what I probably needed as a child.

    我覺得這只是對我個人而言,我不認為它符合我小時候的需要。

  • Looking back.

    回顧過去

  • Like you needed more pressure to like have deadlines and stuff.

    就像你需要更多的壓力,比如有截止日期之類的東西。

  • I needed another authority other than my mom.

    除了媽媽,我還需要另一個權威。

  • And I needed better, like a bigger social circle and a little more structured education

    我需要更好的,比如更大的社交圈和更有條理的教育

  • I think would have been good for me.

    我想這對我來說是件好事。

  • Not that my mom wasn't somewhat structured, but it's just, it's a different kind of thing.

    這並不是說我媽媽的生活沒有條理,只是,這是一種不同的事情。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Homeschooling in the nineties compared to homeschooling now, 30 years later.

    九十年代的家庭教育與 30 年後的今天的家庭教育相比。

  • That's crazy.

    太瘋狂了

  • All right.

    好的

  • Number two, do most American students go to universities after their graduation?

    第二,大多數美國學生畢業後會去上大學嗎?

  • Is it considered important?

    它被認為重要嗎?

  • Let's talk about like our general feel first and then I've got some stats about how many people actually go.

    讓我們先談談我們的總體感覺,然後我再統計一下有多少人真正去了。

  • Because I haven't looked at the stats.

    因為我還沒看過統計數據。

  • This time I didn't make it that far.

    這次我沒走那麼遠。

  • Let's hear what's inside your heart, Dan.

    讓我們聽聽你的心聲,丹。

  • So I think yes, people generally go to, we would say college, but I think a lot of the world would say university.

    是以,我認為是的,人們一般會去上大學,我們會說是大學,但我認為世界上很多人都會說是大學。

  • I don't know the percentage, but I would say.

    我不知道比例,但我想說的是。

  • What's your guess?

    你怎麼猜?

  • What's your guess?

    你怎麼猜?

  • Is a good time?

    是一個好時機嗎?

  • No.

  • 75%.

    75%.

  • Wow.

  • Really?

    真的嗎?

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Okay.

    好的

  • What is it?

    是什麼?

  • Okay.

    好的

  • No, no, no.

    不,不,不

  • It's not 92%.

    不是 92%。

  • 61%.

    61%.

  • I think this is showing your, your bias because- 50%.

    我認為這顯示了你的偏見,因為-- 50%。

  • I don't know which way the bias is.

    我不知道偏向哪一邊。

  • Let's say that.

    這麼說吧。

  • So for us, we have a four-year degree and that's what you call it.

    是以,對我們來說,我們有一個四年制學位,這就是你們所說的學位。

  • When you go to college for four years, you could have a two-year degree.

    當你上了四年大學後,你可以獲得一個兩年制的學位。

  • It's called an associate's degree or a four-year degree.

    這就是所謂的副學士學位或四年制學位。

  • And we have four-year degrees.

    我們有四年制學位。

  • And I think there's been some studies that show like if you have a four-year degree, most of the people in your social circle also have the same or close to the same level of education.

    我認為有一些研究表明,如果你擁有四年制學位,你社交圈中的大多數人也會擁有相同或接近相同的教育水準。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Everybody I know is edumacated.

    我認識的每個人都受過教育。

  • So that's why you think it's so high.

    所以你才會覺得它這麼高。

  • Dang it.

    該死

  • I should have thought about that.

    我早該想到的。

  • Okay.

    好的

  • So in, let's compare it 1990 to 19 or to 2021.

    是以,讓我們將 1990 年與 19 年或 2021 年進行比較。

  • Okay.

    好的

  • In 1990, the people who graduated high school were 77%.

    1990 年,高中畢業的人佔 77%。

  • So 77% of students graduated from high school and 20% of people graduated from college.

    是以,77% 的學生高中畢業,20% 的人大學畢業。

  • Okay.

    好的

  • 2021, 91% of people graduated from high school, so much higher percentage rate.

    2021 年,91% 的人高中畢業,比例要高得多。

  • And 38% of people graduate from college.

    38%的人從大學畢業。

  • I'm way off.

    我想錯了。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • So it is higher.

    所以它更高。

  • It is bumped up a lot though.

    不過,它被提高了很多。

  • And all of the charts that I saw were all going up.

    我看到的所有圖表都在上漲。

  • So finishing high school and college are definitely on the rise.

    是以,完成高中和大學學業的人數肯定會增加。

  • Not 70% or whatever you said, but it probably is 70% of the people we know, which I think is quite interesting.

    不是你說的 70%,但可能是我們認識的人中的 70%,我覺得這很有趣。

  • Oh, I'm sure.

    哦,我確定。

  • And that's kind of part of the cycle of education.

    這也是教育循環的一部分。

  • I think that if you don't know anyone who's been to college, it probably won't be a priority for you.

    我認為,如果你不認識任何上過大學的人,那你可能不會優先考慮上大學。

  • And it will be harder for you to go because you won't have people who know how that process works and all of that.

    你會更難去,因為你沒有人知道這個過程是如何運作的,以及所有這些。

  • But if you've been to college, like us, it will be easier for our kids to do that process because we've been there.

    但是,如果你像我們一樣上過大學,孩子們就會更容易接受這個過程,因為我們也經歷過。

  • Yes.

    是的。

  • I'm glad I could be instructive of a fallacy, you know, from my personal experience, but yeah.

    我很高興我能從我的親身經歷出發,對謬誤有所啟發,不過,是的。

  • Well, thanks for being willing to be the fallacy in front of millions of people online.

    好吧,謝謝你願意在數百萬人的網絡面前成為謬誤。

  • Yes.

    是的。

  • You're welcome, everybody.

    不客氣,各位。

  • But this is also a part two of the question.

    但這也是問題的第二部分。

  • Is it considered important?

    它被認為重要嗎?

  • Oh, well, again.

    哦,又來了。

  • This probably goes to your social circle because in my social circle, it was super important.

    這可能與你的社交圈有關,因為在我的社交圈裡,這一點超級重要。

  • And I think this is probably family by family.

    我想,這可能是一個家庭一個家庭的事。

  • I would say it's almost expected.

    我想說,這幾乎是意料之中的事。

  • If your parents are college graduates, it's almost expected.

    如果你的父母是大學畢業生,這幾乎是意料之中的事。

  • Of course you'll go to college.

    你當然要上大學。

  • However, I think I have heard from certain, like our neighbor, I think she said she was the first to go to college and like it was like looked upon as like great, but it wasn't like expected.

    不過,我想我從某些人那裡聽說過,比如我們的鄰居,我想她說她是第一個上大學的人,就像人們認為的那樣,她上大學很好,但這並不是人們所期望的。

  • But as a society, it is definitely encouraged.

    但作為一個社會,這無疑是值得鼓勵的。

  • Like, you know, there's ads playing on the TV and YouTube and every teacher will tell you going to college and I'm just gonna say university because more people say that.

    比如,你知道,電視和 YouTube 上都在播放廣告,每個老師都會告訴你要上大學,而我只想說大學,因為更多的人都這麼說。

  • Going to university is going to be a great benefit to your life and all this kind of stuff.

    上大學會對你的生活大有裨益,諸如此類。

  • So yeah, I think that is definitely pushed in society.

    所以是的,我認為這在社會上肯定會被推崇。

  • That probably is another reason why I think that a lot of people go.

    這可能是我認為很多人去的另一個原因。

  • But I'm also forgetting about how expensive it is.

    但我也忘了它有多貴。

  • Yeah, that's the other thing is that it's really expensive.

    是啊,還有一點就是它真的很貴。

  • I would say anywhere between $30,000 and $200,000 for a four year degree, depending on if you go to a community college or if you go to a state school or if you go to a private school, it can range anywhere in there.

    我想說的是,四年制學位的學費在 3 萬到 20 萬美元之間,這取決於你是去社區學院,還是去州立學校,或者是去私立學校,學費可能在其中的任何地方。

  • And that's a big burden for a young person starting off in their career to have to pay those loans.

    對於剛開始工作的年輕人來說,要償還這些貸款是一個很大的負擔。

  • The state schools aren't cheap or free?

    公立學校不便宜或免費?

  • They are not cheap and they're not free.

    它們並不便宜,也不是免費的。

  • They're cheaper than private schools.

    它們比私立學校便宜。

  • It's a very complicated system, but I think I'm a little ignorant in this realm because

    這是一個非常複雜的系統,但我覺得自己在這方面有點無知,因為

  • I haven't thought about college in a while, but, you know, we went to a small private school and like that's known for being like pretty expensive.

    我已經很久沒有考慮過上大學的事情了,但是,你知道,我們上的是一所小型私立學校,那裡的學費非常昂貴。

  • For me, I had to get a lot of scholarships to go to that school.

    對我來說,我必須拿到很多獎學金才能上那所學校。

  • So I like applied for tons of scholarships.

    所以我申請了很多獎學金。

  • The school also had scholarships and it was pretty much required.

    學校還設有獎學金,這幾乎是必須的。

  • If I was going to go to that school, I had to have a lot of money already paid for, otherwise it was just too expensive.

    如果我想上那所學校,我必須有一大筆錢,否則就太貴了。

  • But I think it's interesting because of our experience, we felt, I can speak for you too, we felt pretty burdened, even though we had scholarships, we felt pretty burdened post college to pay back our student loans.

    但我認為這很有趣,因為根據我們的經驗,我們覺得,我也可以代表你們說,我們覺得負擔很重,儘管我們有獎學金,但我們覺得大學畢業後償還助學貸款的負擔很重。

  • When you start off your life, your adult life in debt, that's so hard.

    當你在負債中開始你的生活,你的成年生活時,那是多麼艱難。

  • And my parents tried so hard.

    我的父母非常努力。

  • They paid a lot of money.

    他們花了很多錢。

  • I had a lot of scholarships and I still had college debt that I had to pay back.

    我有很多獎學金,但我還有大學債務需要償還。

  • So even though I think I was probably starting off in the best possible position, it still felt like a burden.

    是以,儘管我認為自己一開始的處境可能是最好的,但我仍然覺得這是一種負擔。

  • So I think for us, at least for our children, I have no idea what the education scene will look like in another 15 years.

    是以,我認為,對我們來說,至少對我們的孩子來說,我不知道再過 15 年,教育領域會是什麼樣子。

  • But I think that we might have a different perspective on college because we've been there.

    但我認為,我們可能對大學有不同的看法,因為我們經歷過。

  • We know what it's like.

    我們知道那是什麼滋味。

  • We know if it helped us or not in our life and how expensive it is and if it's worth it.

    我們知道它對我們的生活是否有幫助,它有多昂貴,是否值得。

  • Like, are there other alternatives?

    比如,還有其他選擇嗎?

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • And in our changing world, those might be better.

    在我們這個不斷變化的世界裡,這些可能會更好。

  • I don't know.

    我不知道。

  • I think it's a cliche among people our age that college is not worth it and that it's just way too expensive for what you get out of it and it doesn't really prepare you and all this stuff.

    我覺得我們這個年齡的人都老生常談地認為上大學不值得,上大學太貴了,上大學得到的東西太少了,上大學並不能讓你真正做好準備,諸如此類。

  • I think if you graduated like 2005 to 2010, around that, 2000, maybe even 15 in that range, you probably feel like us that your degree does not mean you will get a good paying job.

    我想,如果你畢業於 2005 年至 2010 年,大約是 2000 年,甚至是 15 年左右,你可能會和我們一樣覺得,你的學位並不意味著你能找到一份高薪工作。

  • It's not a given that that will happen.

    這不是必然會發生的事。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • I think initially when we went to college, there was like a transitional phase where everything was getting, it was getting a lot more expensive and that cost benefit analysis was maybe making less sense, but a lot of our families were still saying the same message that you just have to go even if you're not even sure what you want to do, which was in my case, which I think didn't help me.

    我認為,最初我們上大學時,正處於一個過渡階段,一切都變得越來越昂貴,成本效益分析也許變得不那麼有意義了,但我們的許多家人仍在說著同樣的話:"即使你還不確定自己想做什麼,你也必須去上大學,就我而言,我認為這對我沒有幫助。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Well, my job didn't even exist when I went to college.

    我上大學的時候,我的工作還不存在呢。

  • This job teaching English online was not even an option.

    這份在線英語教學的工作根本不是我的選擇。

  • So I don't know.

    所以我也不知道。

  • It's tricky.

    這很棘手。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • And I don't know exactly what the future, I don't know what the future holds, but I feel like the world changes really, really fast and that I will certainly not tell my children they have to go to college and that like this will make all the difference.

    我不知道未來到底會怎樣,我不知道未來會發生什麼,但我覺得世界變化真的非常非常快,我一定不會告訴我的孩子他們必須上大學,這樣會讓一切都變得不同。

  • I'll be like, well, what exactly do you want to do?

    我會問,你到底想做什麼?

  • Let's get in that program.

    讓我們加入這個計劃吧。

  • Let's look at the cost benefit analysis of how much it costs and like really dig in there.

    讓我們來看看成本效益分析,看看要花費多少錢,然後再深入分析。

  • Unfortunately, I don't feel like my parents did that, but their generation really was the last generation who said, I'll get a university degree and that will give me a good job.

    遺憾的是,我不覺得我的父母做到了這一點,但他們那一代人確實是最後一代說 "我要拿到大學學位,這樣我就能找到一份好工作 "的人。

  • And it worked.

    它成功了。

  • So their expectation was what happened to them, but that's not how it is now.

    是以,他們的期望就是發生在他們身上的事情,但現在的情況並非如此。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Anyway, who knows what will happen in the next 10 to 15 years for our kids, but I certainly won't pressure them and I won't feel disappointed if they decide not to go to college as long as they are independent adults, you know, trying to do something different.

    總之,誰知道我們的孩子未來 10 到 15 年會發生什麼,但我肯定不會給他們施加壓力,如果他們決定不上大學,我也不會感到失望,只要他們是獨立的成年人,你知道,他們會嘗試做一些不同的事情。

  • And I'm going to transition to the last question and skip one question actually, because it's a, I think you're about to say something about it.

    我打算過渡到最後一個問題,跳過一個問題,因為這是一個,我想你會說點什麼。

  • Oh, am I?

    哦,是嗎?

  • I guess.

    我猜也是。

  • Okay.

    好的

  • Because it has to do with what happens if you don't get a college degree?

    因為這關係到如果你拿不到大學學位會怎麼樣?

  • Is it hard to find a job if you don't have a university degree?

    沒有大學文憑是否很難找到工作?

  • I did a little bit of research about this, but what's your gut say?

    我對此做了一些研究,但你的直覺如何?

  • If you don't get a university degree, is it harder to get a job?

    如果沒有大學學位,是否更難找到工作?

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • Like if you didn't have a degree right now, would your prospects be more difficult?

    比如說,如果你現在沒有學位,你的前途會不會更加艱難?

  • It probably is.

    也許是的。

  • I don't think it has to be, but I do think that, I don't know if I've actually read like a study about this, but I think I heard in a podcast that that is like something that employers will look at and they'll be like, all right, check off for your degree.

    我不認為一定要這樣,但我確實認為,我不知道我是否真的讀過關於這方面的研究,但我想我在播客中聽到過,僱主會看這一點,他們會說,好吧,為你的學位打勾。

  • Like they'll just kind of assume that that means a lot.

    他們會認為這意味著很多。

  • So I do think it does mean something.

    是以,我認為這確實意味著什麼。

  • Unfortunately, I don't think it has to be.

    遺憾的是,我認為不必如此。

  • I think that you can probably really get well educated without it nowadays.

    我認為,如今不接受教育也能接受良好的教育。

  • And I think that might even be preferable when you consider how much it costs.

    如果考慮到成本問題,我認為這樣做也許更可取。

  • So other than like, there's a lot of social experiences.

    所以,除了喜歡,還有很多社交體驗。

  • However, a lot of the social experiences are like getting really drunk and misbehaving and stuff that doesn't really have anything to do with keeping a job.

    不過,很多社交經歷都是喝得爛醉、行為不端之類的,與保住工作並沒有什麼關係。

  • The stereotype of American college is that you just go there, get drunk, sleep with a lot of people, and then maybe you stumble into class once a week.

    人們對美國大學的刻板印象是,你只需去那裡喝個酩酊大醉,和很多人上床,然後每週磕磕絆絆地去上一次課。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • It doesn't really make any sense at all.

    這一點都說不通。

  • And then you pay lots of money for that.

    然後,你要為此支付很多錢。

  • That wasn't my college experience, but that is certainly what happens to a lot of people.

    這不是我的大學經歷,但這肯定是發生在很多人身上的事情。

  • So yeah.

    所以是的。

  • But I'm still saying that it does, unfortunately, probably still matter.

    但我還是要說,不幸的是,這可能仍然很重要。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • I would say that that's probably the case for specific careers.

    我想說的是,這可能是特定職業的情況。

  • So what I saw was like, you know, of course, if you're going to be a doctor, if you're going to be an engineer, if you're going to be like in the medical field, you're those very specific technical type of jobs that require education.

    所以,我看到的是,你知道,當然,如果你要成為一名醫生,如果你要成為一名工程師,如果你要像在醫療領域,你是那些非常具體的技術類型的工作,需要教育。

  • That education is probably necessary.

    這種教育可能是必要的。

  • But for other careers, what I read online said, is a college degree necessary?

    但對於其他職業,我在網上看到的說法是,大學學位是必要的嗎?

  • Yes and no.

    是,也不是。

  • The yes was if you want to be in those specific career fields, yeah.

    是的,如果你想從事這些特定的職業,是的。

  • If you're going to be a nurse, go get a degree in nursing and you'll be fine.

    如果你想成為一名護士,去拿一個護理學位就可以了。

  • I think it's actually even a two-year degree.

    我想這實際上甚至是一個兩年制的學位。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • That's amazing.

    太神奇了

  • That sounds preferable to me, like some kind of two-year program.

    在我看來,這聽起來更可取,就像某種為期兩年的計劃。

  • I feel like you can learn maybe not anything, but a lot of things in two years.

    我覺得,在兩年時間裡,你也許什麼都學不到,但可以學到很多東西。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • But it doesn't have to be four years.

    但不一定非要四年。

  • So it said, if you want a job that usually says we require a degree or they highly recommend a degree in their application, maybe like a software engineer or something like this.

    所以它說,如果你想要一份工作,通常會說我們需要一個學位,或者他們在申請時強烈推薦一個學位,也許像軟件工程師之類的。

  • If you are an assertive person who has done a lot of alternative experiences, now this takes a specific personality type, I think.

    如果你是一個有主見的人,有過很多另類的經歷,我認為這需要一種特殊的人格類型。

  • Got to have something for that resume.

    履歷上總得寫點什麼吧。

  • Yes.

    是的。

  • You have a good resume.

    你的履歷不錯。

  • You've interned.

    你實習過

  • You have maybe taken some extracurricular classes at the local college or maybe even some online courses about that specific field.

    您可能已經在當地大學上過一些課外班,甚至是一些有關該領域的在線課程。

  • It doesn't have to be a degree.

    不一定要有學位。

  • There's a lot of alternatives out there.

    現在有很多替代品。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • That you can, by your assertiveness, which is really what people are looking for often, people who will see a problem and fix the problem.

    你可以,通過你的自信,而這正是人們經常在尋找的,能夠發現問題並解決問題的人。

  • The skills can really be taught, but that personality and character quality can't be taught as much.

    技能確實可以教,但個性和人格品質卻無法教。

  • So if you show that, then you could get it.

    所以,如果你能證明這一點,你就能得到它。

  • So for example, this isn't about a job.

    舉例來說,這與工作無關。

  • This is about getting into college.

    這是為了進入大學。

  • There was a homeschooler who had been homeschooled their entire life and they wanted to get into a huge university.

    有一個在家裡接受了一輩子教育的學生,他們想考上一所很大的大學。

  • I don't think it was Harvard, but it was like a really high level university.

    我不認為那是哈佛,但它就像一所真正的高水平大學。

  • And what they did instead is they wrote out, of course, every charity they worked with, every volunteer experience, all of this, but they also wrote a list.

    當然,他們所做的是寫出他們參與的每一個慈善機構、每一次志願者經歷,所有這些,但他們也寫了一份清單。

  • The second page of their application was 100 books that I read last year.

    他們申請的第二頁是我去年讀過的 100 本書。

  • Holy cow.

    我的媽呀

  • That's like two books a week.

    這相當於一週兩本書。

  • They wrote out everything that they had read and in order and all of this, and it showed their assertiveness.

    他們把讀過的所有東西都寫出來,並按順序寫好,這顯示了他們的自信。

  • I'm going to be a good student.

    我會成為一個好學生。

  • I'm going to be dedicated.

    我會盡心盡力。

  • And I think for a lot of jobs, if you can be outstanding like that, then who cares if you have a degree, ideally.

    我認為,對於很多工作來說,如果你能做到這樣,那麼誰還會在乎你是否有學位呢?

  • A little example too is someone who works for me, Laura, hi Laura, if you're watching, she helps to write some of the sales content, like sales emails.

    還有一個小例子,就是為我工作的勞拉,如果你正在看的話,她會幫忙寫一些銷售內容,比如銷售郵件。

  • She's called a copywriter.

    她叫文案。

  • When I interviewed her, I don't even know if she has a college degree.

    當我採訪她時,我甚至不知道她是否有大學文憑。

  • I don't even know her official education, but her application process, her experience, and she had taken the initiative to do some online copywriting classes and had been working on and off for some other businesses doing their writing as well.

    我甚至不知道她的正式學歷,但她的申請過程、她的經驗,以及她主動參加了一些在線文案寫作課程,還斷斷續續地為其他一些企業做文案工作。

  • So she had this kind of initiative and that's really what I was looking for, was someone who was organized, took the initiative, creative, and was interested in the job.

    所以,她有這種主動性,而這正是我一直在尋找的,一個有組織、主動、有創造力、對工作感興趣的人。

  • She had taken some classes of her own volition and really done it.

    她主動參加了一些課程,並真正做到了這一點。

  • And that's why I hired her.

    這就是我僱她的原因。

  • And she's been amazing.

    她的表現非常出色。

  • Actually, a lot of my students who join my courses, they say that their job didn't require them to take English classes, but they write on their resume, completed three month English course with Speak English with Vanessa.

    事實上,很多參加我課程的學生都說,他們的工作並不要求他們參加英語課程,但他們在履歷上寫道:在 Vanessa Speak English 完成了三個月的英語課程。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • And this is like the-

    這就像

  • You're an institution.

    你是一個機構。

  • It's not a four year degree.

    這不是一個四年制的學位。

  • It's not an IELTS certificate, something official like that, but it shows that you took the initiative.

    這不是雅思證書之類的官方證書,但它表明你採取了主動。

  • I think she's pretty official.

    我覺得她很正式。

  • And it showed that you're willing to go the extra mile and to try to do your best.

    這表明,你願意付出額外的努力,盡力做到最好。

  • So I think that's a good example of a way that extracurricular education can enhance your career as well.

    是以,我認為這是一個很好的例子,說明課外教育也能提升你的職業生涯。

  • Well, talking about internships, I'm curious in your country, is it common to do an internship?

    說到實習,我很好奇在你們國家,實習普遍嗎?

  • I think in Germany, it's maybe required that you do a year internship after high school and it's like part of the system.

    我認為,在德國,高中畢業後必須進行一年的實習,這也是制度的一部分。

  • I'm not sure.

    我不確定。

  • If you're from Germany, let me know.

    如果你來自德國,請告訴我。

  • It sounds like a better system to me.

    在我看來,這是個更好的系統。

  • I don't know if that's real.

    我不知道這是不是真的。

  • That you get real world experience in the world doing something.

    你可以在世界上做一些事情,獲得真實世界的經驗。

  • But I feel like for me, that would have been pretty helpful just to kind of get out of the education system.

    但我覺得對我來說,脫離教育系統會很有幫助。

  • I felt very overwhelmed going from high school to four years of college.

    從高中到大學四年,我感到非常吃力。

  • And then I had had part time jobs working in restaurants and these types of things, but nothing like a career.

    後來,我還在餐館打過零工,幹過類似的工作,但都算不上職業。

  • And by my third year of college, I just felt like, I just want to go out into the real world and try to get a job.

    到了大學三年級,我就覺得,我只想走到現實世界中去,找一份工作。

  • I don't want to-

    我不想

  • Do something.

    做點什麼

  • Yeah, I want to do something.

    是的,我想做點什麼。

  • And it's not common in the US to take a gap year.

    在美國,休學一年並不常見。

  • This is a common thing, I think, in Europe and Australia, that after high school, students will take a gap year and go out and do something.

    我認為,在歐洲和澳洲,高中畢業後,學生們會利用一年的空檔時間出去做一些事情,這是一件很常見的事情。

  • Good job, Europe.

    幹得好,歐洲。

  • Go be a nanny.

    去當保姆吧

  • Go volunteer on a farm.

    去農場做志願者

  • If that's standard.

    如果這是標準的話。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • I think when we were-

    我想當我們

  • Southeast Asia, do something.

    東南亞,做點什麼吧

  • When we were in France that one year, we did meet some younger people who seemed to either be taking a gap year or doing some kind of intern thing.

    在法國的那一年,我們確實遇到了一些年輕人,他們似乎要麼在休學,要麼在實習。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • I don't know.

    我不知道。

  • I like that a lot.

    我非常喜歡。

  • In the US, it's kind of strange that you graduate high school and you have this big ceremony and congratulations, you get to move on to more school.

    在美國,高中畢業是件很奇怪的事,你要舉行盛大的畢業典禮,然後祝賀你,你將升入更高的學校。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • I pretty much guarantee that if you were in the US and you graduated from high school and you said, I'm going to take a gap year and then I'll decide what I want to do.

    我敢保證,如果你在美國,高中畢業後說,我要先過一年空檔期,然後再決定我想做什麼。

  • Every single person will say, if you don't go to college now, you're never going to do it.

    每個人都會說,如果你現在不上大學,你就永遠上不了大學。

  • This is your chance to do it now because you'll forget about it or you won't have the motivation to do it or you'll forget about education and forget about math, these types of things.

    這是你現在就去做的機會,因為你會忘記它,或者你沒有動力去做,或者你會忘記教育,忘記數學,諸如此類的事情。

  • But in reality, if you're not meant to go to college and you wait a year and you decide not to go to college, well, maybe that was a better path for you.

    但在現實中,如果你註定上不了大學,而你等了一年後決定不上大學,那麼,也許這對你來說是一條更好的路。

  • I don't know.

    我不知道。

  • I was biased because I saw people doing that, Europeans who were doing that gap year, and

    我有偏見,因為我看到有人在這樣做,歐洲人在做空檔年,而

  • I felt really jealous.

    我真的很嫉妒。

  • It's like, oh, I would have loved to do that, but it's just not an American culture.

    這就像,哦,我很想這樣做,但這不是美國文化。

  • Maybe it might start becoming part of it as we kind of learn more about Europe.

    隨著我們對歐洲的瞭解越來越多,也許這將成為歐洲的一部分。

  • We're like 10 years behind Europe in those things, but right now it's not part of American culture.

    在這些方面,我們比歐洲落後 10 年,但現在這還不是美國文化的一部分。

  • You just do school, possibly more school-

    你只管上學,可能還要上更多的學

  • Or stop school.

    或者停止上學。

  • And then pay back your school with your job.

    然後用你的工作來回報學校。

  • So that's it.

    就是這樣。

  • All right.

    好的

  • Well, thanks for talking to me today about education.

    謝謝你今天和我談教育。

  • You're welcome.

    不客氣。

  • I appreciate it.

    我很感激。

  • Thank you all for asking us your great questions.

    感謝大家向我們提出的問題。

  • Let us know in the comments if having an internship or doing a gap year is common in your country.

    請在評論中告訴我們,在您的國家,實習或間隔年是否常見。

  • I would love to learn more about that.

    我很想了解更多這方面的資訊。

  • And don't forget to download the free PDF worksheet, which includes all of the great vocabulary that you saw pop up on the screen here that we used.

    別忘了下載免費的 PDF 工作表,其中包含了你在螢幕上看到的我們使用過的所有精彩詞彙。

  • You can get that vocabulary, definition, sample sentences, and at the bottom of that free worksheet, you can answer Vanessa's challenge question so that you never forget what you've learned.

    你可以獲得詞彙、定義和例句,在免費工作表的底部,你還可以回答 Vanessa 的挑戰問題,這樣你就永遠不會忘記所學到的知識。

  • You can click on the link in the description to download that free PDF worksheet today.

    您可以點擊說明中的鏈接,下載免費的 PDF 工作表。

  • Well, thanks so much, Dan, for joining me today to talk about education.

    非常感謝 Dan 今天和我一起討論教育問題。

  • You're welcome.

    不客氣。

  • It was fun.

    這很有趣。

  • I hope you're a little bit smarter.

    我希望你能聰明一點。

  • Yeah.

    是啊

  • And thank you so much for learning English with me.

    非常感謝你和我一起學習英語。

  • I'll see you again next Friday for a new lesson here on my YouTube channel.

    下週五,我們將在我的 YouTube 頻道上看到新的課程。

  • Bye.

    再見。

  • Bye.

    再見。

  • But wait, do you want more?

    但等等,你還想要更多嗎?

  • I recommend watching this video next, where you will see another real English conversation between Dan and I about parenting our one, two, three children.

    我建議您接下來觀看這段視頻,您將看到我和丹之間關於養育一、二、三個孩子的真實英語對話。

  • I can't wait to help you immerse yourself in English more, and I'll see you there.

    我迫不及待地想幫助你更多地沉浸在英語中,我們到時見。

You're invited to a real English conversation with me and my husband, Dan.

我們邀請您與我和我的丈夫 Dan 進行一次真正的英語對話。

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