Name: 他害怕了馬克-凱利參議員談特朗普對哈里斯的種族攻擊 ('He's afraid': Sen. Mark Kelly on Trump's racial attacks against Harris)
Uploaded: 2024-08-01T21:12:12.000Z
Duration: 10 min 56 s

Joining me now is the Democratic Senator from Arizona and potential vice presidential pick for Vice President Harris, Mark Kelly.

現在加入我的是來自亞利桑那州的民主黨參議員、副總統哈里斯的潛在副總統人選馬克-凱利。

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I know you have had a very busy day, but I just I do want to know your reaction when you heard what Donald Trump said on stage in Chicago today, questioning Vice President

我知道您今天很忙，但我只是想知道，當您聽到唐納德-特朗普今天在芝加哥的舞臺上質疑副總統時，您有什麼反應？

Well, Caitlin, my first reaction was, you know, this is the reaction of a desperate and scared old man.

凱特琳，我的第一反應是 這是一個絕望又害怕的老人的反應

It's very obvious to me watching him and just what I've seen over the last week while she's been, you know, across the country just kicking his butt, that he's afraid.

我看他的表現，以及上週她在全國各地踢他的屁股時 我所看到的一切都很明顯，他害怕了。

He's certainly afraid to lose an election to her in November, and he's afraid about his own future.

他當然害怕在 11 月的選舉中輸給她，也害怕自己的未來。

And I understand, you know, what he's up against.

I mean, he's up against an experienced prosecutor, somebody who served as a D.A. and an attorney general in the Senate and now the vice president very successfully.

我的意思是，他的對手是一個經驗豐富的檢察官，一個在參議院擔任過地方檢察官和總檢察長的人，現在又非常成功地擔任了副總統。

You put Kamala Harris's record up to Donald Trump and there's no comparison.

你把卡馬拉-哈里斯的記錄與唐納德-特朗普相比，根本沒有可比性。

And the contrast is just is can't be more significant.

So you think this is just a sign that that he's essentially spooked by by her momentum and what we've seen over the last week and a half since she's been at the top of the ticket?

所以你認為這只是一個跡象，表明他基本上被她的勢頭和過去一週半以來她在選票上的優勢嚇到了？

我的意思是，她去過全國各地。

她是一位出色的、歷史性的候選人。

He's got a sentencing hearing, I think, in September.

我想，他將在九月份接受宣判。

She's going to take this country forward.

Donald Trump wants to drag us back to his prior administration, which was a bad deal for Americans.

唐納德-特朗普想把我們拉回到他之前的政府，那對美國人來說是一筆糟糕的交易。

So I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here.

是以，我認為這裡發生的事情顯而易見。

Is it clear to you that this was a racist attack by former President Donald Trump?

你是否清楚這是前總統唐納德-特朗普的一次種族主義攻擊？

我的意思是，這是公開的種族主義，是的。

And do you expect to see more of that over the next 97 days until the election?

在選舉前的 97 天裡，你是否希望看到更多這樣的情況？

Donald Trump has shown the American people who he is.

唐納德-特朗普向美國人民展示了他的真面目。

If you're paying attention, before that, he was doing it before he was on the national stage as well.

如果你有留意，在此之前，他在登上國家舞臺之前也是這樣做的。

So of course he's going to continue to do it.

I think the good news for the American people is Kamala Harris is going to beat him in a debate and is going to beat him on November 5th and is going to be our next president.

我認為，對美國人民來說，好消息是卡馬拉-哈里斯將在辯論中擊敗他，並將在 11 月 5 日擊敗他，成為我們的下一任總統。

That's the good news for the American people.

這對美國人民來說是個好消息。

How do you think the Harris campaign should handle something like what we saw today?

您認為哈里斯競選團隊應該如何處理類似今天的事件？

Well, I think they should call him out on what he said.

好吧，我覺得他們應該把他的話說出來。

I mean, I've never seen a president or former president or a United States senator say anything like this.

我是說，我從未見過一位總統、前總統或美國參議員說過這樣的話。

And it is, we've seen a lot of sad days for our country when Donald Trump was president and while he's been a candidate, this is another one.

在唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）擔任總統和候選人期間，我們看到了很多令國家悲傷的日子，而這是另一個。

And I think the American people need to listen to what he says.

我認為美國人民需要聽聽他怎麼說。

The line of defense we're seeing tonight from J.D. Vance, his running mate, is that Trump was brave enough to go in there and take questions from black reporters at a conference.

我們今晚從他的競選搭檔J.D. Vance那裡看到的辯護理由是，特朗普敢於在會議上接受黑人記者的提問。

And he called Vice President Harris a coward.

Kamala Harris has been across the country, you know, for the last week, you know, meeting with the American people.

卡馬拉-哈里斯（Kamala Harris）上週一直在全國各地與美國人民會面。

I mean, he spends, you know, I don't know how long that interview lasts.

我的意思是，他花了，你知道， 我不知道多久的採訪持續。

My understanding was they had to get him off the stage because his campaign was afraid of the next horrible thing that he was going to say.

我的理解是，他們不得不讓他下臺，因為他的競選團隊害怕他接下來會說什麼可怕的話。

And Kamala Harris is the candidate of the future for this country.

卡馬拉-哈里斯是這個國家未來的候選人。

She wants to bring down the cost of prescription drugs, make child care affordable, reduce the cost of health care for the American people.

她希望降低處方藥的成本，讓人們能夠負擔得起兒童保育，降低美國人民的醫療成本。

I mean, he made it pretty clear he wants more tax cuts for billionaires and the biggest corporations.

我的意思是，他說得很清楚，他希望為億萬富翁和最大的公司減稅。

If he was president again, he would weaken our alliances and he wants to take away fundamental rights for women, especially, especially women.

如果他再次擔任總統，他會削弱我們的聯盟，他想剝奪婦女的基本權利，尤其是婦女的基本權利。

So I'm not surprised with what he what he said.

所以我對他說的話並不感到驚訝。

But the consequences of four more years of Donald Trump is, you know, more loss of reproductive rights, including things like birth control and IVF.

但唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）再執政四年的後果就是，你知道的，更多的人失去了生育權，包括節育和試管嬰兒等。

Caitlin, I've got two daughters and a granddaughter, and I really worry about the future of this country with Donald Trump continuing to have any sort of power.

凱特琳，我有兩個女兒和一個孫女，如果唐納德-特朗普繼續掌權，我真的很擔心這個國家的未來。

Now, that's not going to happen because Kamala Harris is a great candidate.

現在，這種情況不會發生，因為卡馬拉-哈里斯是一位出色的候選人。

She's going to be the future president of the United States.

Well, and of course, Senator, you're under consideration to be potentially her vice presidential pick.

當然，參議員先生，您有可能成為她的副總統人選。

We understand that your team has received vetting materials as part of this process.

我們瞭解到，貴團隊已收到審查材料，這是審查過程的一部分。

How far have your conversations gone with the Harris team for this?

你們與哈里斯團隊就此進行了多長時間的對話？

Well, Caitlin, I'm not going to comment on that.

凱特琳，我不打算對此發表評論。

And, you know, we're not going to get into that.

而且，你知道，我們不打算討論這個問題。

You know, this is about Donald Trump and what a sad figure he has become, sad and desperate.

你知道，這是關於唐納德-特朗普的，他已經變成了一個多麼可悲的人物，可悲而絕望。

I mean, I've seen him before and, you know, just, you know, put him in the in the category of a desperate convicted felon who is lashing out.

我的意思是，我以前見過他，你知道，只是，你知道，把他放在一個絕望的被定罪的重罪犯的類別，誰是抨擊。

Do you believe that you'd be able to help make that argument that the one that you just made here on a broader national stage?

你是否認為，你能夠在更廣闊的國家舞臺上幫助提出你剛才提出的論點？

Well, I mean, I'm happy to talk about, you know, Donald Trump and Kamala Harris all day.

好吧，我的意思是，我很樂意談論，你知道，唐納德-特朗普和卡馬拉-哈里斯一整天。

I mean, it's it's a very easy thing to talk about.

我的意思是，這是一件很容易談論的事情。

It's probably the easiest topic I've dealt with while in the United States Senate, because the contrast is just so clear and I think it's clear to the American people as well.

這可能是我在美國參議院期間最容易處理的話題，因為對比是如此明顯，我想美國人民也很清楚。

Senator Mark Kelly, thank you for joining us tonight on this.

馬克-凱利參議員，感謝您今晚參與我們的討論。

On your reaction here in studio now, I'm joined by former New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and CNN political commentator and Spectrum News host Errol Lewis joins me.

現在在演播室裡，紐約市前市長比爾-德布拉西奧（Bill de Blasio）和CNN政治評論員、光譜新聞（Spectrum News）主持人埃羅爾-劉易斯（Errol Lewis）將和我一起討論您的反應。

I mean, I'll start with you, Mr. Mayor, just on the political lens of how how Vice President

我的意思是，市長先生，我先從您的政治視角說起，副總統是如何

What did you make of what she said about this?

I mean, look, first of all, when your opponent does something so outrageous, so inappropriate, so obviously overtly an appeal to race in the worst sense, just let it be.

我的意思是，你看，首先，當你的對手做了如此離譜、如此不恰當、如此明顯地從最壞的意義上訴諸種族的事情時，就順其自然吧。

I think she showed sobriety, clarity, a vision of a better America and let him sort of stew in his own juices, as it were.

我認為，她表現出了清醒、明朗和對美好美國的憧憬，讓他沉浸在自己的果汁中。

I do have to say Mark Kelly's tagline there, the way he summarized it, a desperate, convicted felon who's lashing out.

我不得不說馬克-凱利的標語，他總結的方式，一個絕望的，被定罪的重罪犯正在抨擊。

I mean, I think that's a beautiful, powerful summary and kind of points to the desperation we're clearly seeing in Trump world right now.

我的意思是，我認為這是一個漂亮而有力的總結，也點出了我們現在在特朗普的世界裡明顯看到的絕望。

They just were not ready for a reasonably popular candidate.

他們只是還沒有準備好迎接一位相當受歡迎的候選人。

They were used to Joe Biden, who unfortunately had fallen into unpopularity.

他們已經習慣了喬-拜登，但不幸的是，拜登已經不受歡迎了。

They originally ran against Hillary Clinton, who unfortunately was dealing with a lot of challenges.

他們最初的競選對手是希拉里-克林頓，不幸的是，後者當時正面臨許多挑戰。

Here's a brand new day and they don't know what to do.

這是嶄新的一天，他們卻不知道該做些什麼。

Errol, just watching that today, I think there was a moment where all newsrooms were kind of glued to the screen.

埃羅爾，今天剛看完，我覺得有那麼一瞬間，所有的新聞編輯室都盯著螢幕。