This is one, the first of their two debates.

這是其中之一，也是他們兩次辯論中的第一次。

Next one will be in September.

下一次將在 9 月。

We know what the big questions were.

我們知道主要問題是什麼。

Was Joe Biden all there?

喬-拜登都在那裡嗎？

Was he able to make a case to the American people?

他能向美國人民說明情況嗎？

And was Donald Trump something different than all the people who don't want to vote for him believe?

而唐納德-特朗普是否與所有不願投票給他的人所相信的有所不同？

And I guess you're going to talk about the format as well.

我猜你還要談談形式問題。

So let me bring my colleagues, Elizabeth Vargas, Dan Abrams.

讓我把我的同事伊麗莎白-巴爾加斯（Elizabeth Vargas）和丹-艾布拉姆斯（Dan Abrams）請來。

We've got the whole team in full effect tonight.

今晚我們全隊出動。

But Elizabeth, I'll start with you.

但伊麗莎白，我還是從你開始吧。

What was your takeaway from tonight?

您今晚的收穫是什麼？

Do you think it met the billing in terms of tonight will make a difference?

你認為它符合今晚將有所作為的要求嗎？

I think it could make a difference.

我認為這可能會有所作為。

I'm not sure it's the difference that the Biden campaign wants it to make.

我不確定這是否是拜登競選團隊所希望的區別。

I think the format that the Biden campaign insisted on, which was mics to be and no audience, you know, didn't suit Biden very well tonight.

我認為拜登競選團隊堅持的形式，即麥克風和沒有觀眾，今晚並不適合拜登。

To be honest, he looked there are reports he had a cold.

老實說，有報道說他感冒了。

I don't know.

我不知道。

Somebody I saw was saying maybe he should have canceled or postponed.

我看到有人說，也許他應該取消或延後。

Listen, he did not look surefooted.

聽著，他看起來腳步並不穩健。

He did not sound surefooted.

他的語氣並不堅定。

He did pick up a little bit of steam and a little bit of energy later, and especially sort of when sparring with former President Trump.

後來，他確實有了一點生氣和活力，尤其是在與前總統特朗普爭論時。

But the format, as it was, the CNN had announced that the debate moderators would not be fact checking any of the answers as they went.

但從形式上看，CNN 已經宣佈，辯論主持人在辯論過程中不會對任何答案進行事實核查。

And there were a whole host of falsehoods and exaggerations littered throughout that 90 minute debate, all of which went unchecked, uncorrected.

在這場 90 分鐘的辯論中，充斥著大量的虛假和誇大，而所有這些都沒有受到檢查和糾正。

And and sort of it was up to to President Biden to correct something that former President Trump might have said that wasn't true.

拜登總統應該糾正前總統特朗普可能說過的一些不實之詞。

And I've made a list of many of the things President Biden also made a couple of fact errors.

我已經列出了拜登總統的許多事情，他還犯了幾個事實錯誤。

He said the Border Patrol endorsed him.

他說邊境巡邏隊支持他。

They didn't.

他們沒有。

They endorsed the bill that he wanted passed in Congress, but they did not endorse Biden.

他們支持他希望國會通過的法案，但並不支持拜登。

And they really didn't even endorse that.

他們甚至都沒有認可這一點。

Their union liked it until they didn't.

他們的工會喜歡這樣，直到他們不喜歡。

But I hear you.

但我聽你的。

They did endorse the bill.

他們確實支持該法案。

They did endorse that.

他們確實認可了這一點。

They put out a statement endorsing the bill.

他們發表聲明支持該法案。

They did early on.

他們很早就這樣做了。

And then they read it and they rejected it.

然後他們看了之後就拒絕了。

But go ahead.

但請繼續。

Look, I don't think it was the format.

聽著，我不認為是格式的問題。

Right.

對

That became the issue here.

這成了這裡的問題。

There is no way to say that Joe Biden had a good night.

喬-拜登這一晚過得並不好。

I think if anyone comes on after this debate and they say Joe Biden had a great night, that's not a credible assessment of what just happened.

我認為，如果有人在辯論結束後說喬-拜登度過了一個美好的夜晚，那對剛剛發生的事情的評價是不可信的。

How bad a night is, it becomes a question and a subject for debate.

一個夜晚究竟有多糟糕，這成了一個問題和爭論的話題。

You asked the question at the beginning, and I think you laid it out the right way, which is there were a lot of issues here that came up, substantive issues.

你在一開始就提出了這個問題，我認為你的提法是正確的，那就是這裡出現了很多問題，實質性的問題。

If you were focused on the issues, if you were focused on the fact checks, you're going to be in one side or the other.

如果你關注的是問題，如果你關注的是事實核查，你就會站在這一邊或另一邊。

You're going to say Trump was lying.

你要說特朗普在撒謊。

Biden made this stuff up.

拜登瞎編的

Those people are going to be in their corners.

這些人將站在他們的對立面。

This was a battle for the other folks.

這是一場為其他人而戰的戰鬥。

This was a battle for the folks who haven't been paying that close attention.

這是為那些沒有密切關注的人準備的一場戰鬥。

This was a battle for the folks who are the independents who might have been leaning one way or leaning the other way.

這是一場為獨立人士而戰的戰役，他們可能傾向於某一方，也可能傾向於另一方。

And you laid out the two issues, right?

你提出了兩個問題，對嗎？

Number one, is Joe Biden going to show that he's got what it takes to lead?

第一，喬-拜登能否證明他有上司能力？

Number two, is Donald Trump going to interrupt and be rude and mean in a way that's actually going to hurt him?

第二，唐納德-特朗普是否會打斷別人的發言，並以一種實際上會傷害他的方式表現得粗魯和刻薄？

Donald Trump didn't do it.

不是唐納德-特朗普乾的。

Donald Trump and maybe that the format helped in that way.

唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump），也許這種形式在這方面起到了幫助作用。

But you even saw when Biden was insulting him right before the last break about whether he would accept the election results.

但你甚至也看到了，拜登在最後一次休息前侮辱他，說他是否會接受選舉結果。

Trump didn't go crazy.

特朗普沒有發瘋。

He didn't start yelling.

他沒有開始大喊大叫。

Biden did not seem strong.

拜登似乎並不強勢。

His voice seemed weak.

他的聲音顯得有些虛弱。

There were times when he literally seemed to lose his train of thought.

有幾次，他似乎真的失去了思路。

And he meandered.

他在徘徊。

It was it was.

就是這樣。

Yeah.

是啊

I mean, look, I think we have, which was probably the worst moment of the night for Biden, which will definitely be replayed.

我的意思是，你看，我認為我們有，這可能是拜登當晚最糟糕的時刻，這肯定會被重播。

And they're going to be people are going to say it doesn't reflect the entirety of the debate.

人們會說，這並不能反映辯論的全部內容。

And that's fair.

這很公平。

But when you're talking about someone who's running for president, who is the current president, and they have a moment like this in a 90 minute debate, it's tough to overcome.

但是，當你在談論一個正在競選總統的人，也就是現任總統時，他們在90分鐘的辯論中出現這樣的時刻，就很難克服了。

Child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the covid, excuse me, with dealing with President Biden.

兒童護理、老年人護理，確保我們繼續加強我們的醫療保健系統，確保我們能夠讓每一個孤獨的人都有資格獲得我在covid，不好意思，在與拜登總統打交道時所能夠做到的。

And they're going to be people who are going to say, OK, particularly Biden supporters, they're going to say, OK, he had a bad moment.

他們會說，好吧，尤其是拜登的支持者，他們會說，好吧，他有一個糟糕的時刻。

He had a rough time.

他度過了一段艱難的時光。

His voice, they're going to say at a cold, which seems an odd thing to have not shared.

他的聲音，他們要在寒冷的時候說，這似乎是一個奇怪的事情沒有分享。

But look, on the whole, not a good night for Joe Biden.

但總的來說，喬-拜登今晚的表現並不好。

So I'll look at it a different way, OK?

所以我換個角度看，好嗎？

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