Did you feel at that time that you're really ready for the job following those legends or were you saying I can do a better job than they did.

你當時是覺得自己真的準備好了追隨那些傳奇人物，還是說我能比他們做得更好？

The best advice I got from both Bill and Steve I think helped me a lot because their clear message was don't try to be like us.

我認為比爾和史蒂夫給我的最好建議對我幫助很大，因為他們明確告訴我，不要試圖像我們一樣。

Don't even bother to sort of say oh I'm succeeding.

甚至都不用費心去說哦，我成功了。

These people just be your own.

這些人就是你自己。

In fact I remember very distinctly even during the interview process.

事實上，即使在面試過程中，我也記得非常清楚。

This is true for the board was conducting.

這對董事會的工作也是如此。

They asked me Hey do you want to be the CEO.

他們問我，嘿，你想當首席執行官嗎？

And I said only if you want me to be the CEO.

我說，除非你想讓我當首席執行官。

And the feedback I got was what.

我得到的反饋是

But people who want to be CEOs are like I want to be CEO.

但想當首席執行官的人就像我想當首席執行官一樣。

I said look that's not me.

我說，聽著，那不是我。

And I remember when I'm going and and a half years the stock is up about I guess it's about 120 percent.

我還記得，在我工作的一年半時間裡，股票上漲了大約 120%。

When you go to your annual shareholder meetings you get a standing ovation for what you've done.

當你參加年度股東大會時，你所做的一切都會贏得起立鼓掌。

No I get a lot of people asking me.

沒有，很多人都問我。

Hey look go come home and fix my computer.

嘿，聽著，回家把我的電腦修好。

OK.

好的。

You are a native of India.

您是印度人。

What part of India.

印度的哪個地區。

I was born in Hyderabad which is in the central part of India.

我出生在印度中部的海德拉巴。

And so growing up your parents outdoted on you I assume.

我猜你的父母在你成長過程中對你寵愛有加。

Yeah they did.

是的

And they told you you were going to be prime minister or something important in the country.

他們告訴你，你將成為總理或國家的重要人物。

What did they want you to be.

他們希望你成為什麼樣的人

They just wanted me to stop playing cricket and take my studies a little more seriously.

他們只是希望我不要再打板球了，而是更認真地學習。

Now you were an avid cricket player.

你是個狂熱的板球愛好者。

Yes that is correct.

是的，沒錯。

I was in love with it.

我愛上了它。

And when did you realize you weren't going to be a professional cricket player.

你是什麼時候意識到自己不會成為職業板球運動員的？

Pretty soon.

很快

Quickly I realized that at best I would play you know what is considered perhaps first class cricket in India.

很快我就意識到，在印度，我最多隻能算是一級板球運動員。

But I was not going to go much further than that.

但我並不打算走得更遠。

But you know that's when my dad in fact I remember one of the big decisions that changed my life was you know my entire outlook was so provincial when I look back at it which is hey I want to stay in Hyderabad maybe study economics and political science and work for a bank.

但你知道，就在那時，我的父親，事實上，我記得改變我一生的重大決定之一，就是我的整個人生觀，當我回過頭來看的時候，我的人生觀是如此的保守，那就是嘿，我想留在海德拉巴，也許學習經濟學和政治學，然後在一家銀行工作。

That was about the extent of my ambition.

這就是我的雄心壯志。

And he looks at me and he says what are you doing.

他看著我說，你在幹什麼？

You've got to get out of this place.

你必須離開這個地方。

And so he pushed me out to get to an engineering school.

於是他把我推了出來，讓我去上工程學院。

And that pretty much of course you know defined the trajectory afterwards.

當然，這幾乎決定了之後的軌跡。

Your father was a member of the senior civil service which is an important position I think in India.

您的父親是高級公務員，我認為這在印度是一個重要職位。

Is that right.

是這樣嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

My dad was a very different guy than me in terms of let me say his academic prowess.

我的父親在學習能力方面與我大相徑庭。

So it is always humorous.

所以它總是很幽默。

But you look at my report cards and he says oh I couldn't I don't understand how anybody can have these kind of marks.

但你看我的成績單，他會說哦，我做不到，我不明白怎麼會有人有這樣的分數。

And but the nice thing about it was he would say it in such endearing ways that he never made me feel bad.

但好在他說這話的方式很討人喜歡，從來不會讓我感到難過。

I mean the marks weren't high enough or weren't not high enough.

我的意思是分數不夠高或不夠高。

They weren't high enough.

它們不夠高。

Yeah.

是啊

The guy had never met an exam.

這傢伙從未遇到過考試。

He didn't ace as he would say.

他並沒有像他自己說的那樣打王牌。

OK.

好的。

And so he was like he was astounding to me that he would have a son who couldn't take an exam.

他的兒子竟然不會考試，這讓我很吃驚。

Now your father is still alive.

現在你父親還活著。

Yes.

是的。

He must be very proud of what you've achieved.

他一定為你取得的成就感到驕傲。

Not enough.

不夠。

So you went to college in India and then you decided to get graduate school in the United States.

你在印度上的大學，然後決定去美國讀研究所學生。

Yeah.

是啊

And I switched from electrical engineering to computer science.

我從電氣工程轉到了計算機科學。

But when you're in India University of Wisconsin Milwaukee can't be that well known in India.

但在印度，威斯康星大學密爾沃基分校不可能那麼出名。

So how did you happen to wind up there.

你怎麼會在那裡？

I'd never been to Western Bombay quite frankly.

老實說，我從沒去過西孟買。

And then I showed up in Milwaukee.

然後我出現在密爾沃基。

Did you have a winter coat or.

你有冬衣嗎？

That was my first very valued possession in life.

這是我人生中第一件非常寶貴的財產。

A winter coat which is very important.

一件冬衣非常重要。

Unfortunately I picked up this bad habit of smoking in India in college.

不幸的是，我在印度上大學時染上了吸菸的壞習慣。

And the one nice thing about going to school in Milwaukee is you if you're a smoker you have to go out in the winter and smoke.

在密爾沃基上學的一個好處是，如果你是菸民，冬天就得出去抽菸。

And that one winter in Milwaukee cured me of my smoking.

在密爾沃基的那個冬天，我戒掉了煙癮。

So you've got a job after you graduated at Sun Microsystems.

你畢業後在太陽微系統公司找到了一份工作。

And what was your job there.

你在那裡做什麼工作？

I was a software developer.

我是一名軟件開發人員。

And then you got recruited to go to another company called Microsoft.

然後，你被招聘到另一家名為微軟的公司。

And that was in 1992.

那是在 1992 年。

That's right.

這就對了。

So.

那麼

But you also had applied to go to the University of Chicago School of Finance.

但你也申請了芝加哥大學金融學院。

Quite frankly David I I was very committed to saying oh I want to go to the business school.

坦率地說，戴維-我當時非常堅定地說，哦，我想去商學院。

Maybe who knows maybe even go to Wall Street.

也許誰知道呢，也許還能去華爾街。

That was sort of my the highest calling of mankind.

這算是我對人類的最高呼喚。

Says David Rubenstein.

大衛-魯賓斯坦說。

And I thought wow maybe that's what I should do.

我想，也許這就是我應該做的。

And then somewhere along the lines I started talking to people and said hey why would you do that.

後來，我開始和別人哈拉，說你為什麼要這麼做。

You're in tech.

你是搞技術的

And you should really come back.

你真的應該回來。

It was it's an amazing time because Windows NT which eventually became a server business and what have you was just starting out.

那是一個了不起的時代，因為 Windows NT（最終成為服務器業務）才剛剛起步。

And and I subsequently went and did some combination of part time and other courses and actually finished my MBA which I find stunning.

後來，我又去讀了一些兼職課程和其他課程，並完成了工商管理碩士學位，這讓我感到非常驚訝。

And you were commuting.

而你在上下班途中。

In other words you were working.

換句話說，你在工作。

And then on weekends you're

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