I think it's a very subjective thing, right?

我認為這是一件非常主觀的事情，對嗎？

Who's great, who's not?

誰厲害，誰不厲害？

And the Oscar goes to...

奧斯卡獎頒給了

And the Oscar goes to...

奧斯卡獎頒給了

And the Oscar goes to...

奧斯卡獎頒給了

What differentiates good acting from great acting?

好演技與偉大演技的區別是什麼？

Brad Pitt.

布拉德-皮特

Laura Dern.

勞拉-鄧恩

Brendan Fraser.

布蘭登-弗雷澤

The Whale.

鯨魚

I think it is interesting because I think if you don't understand acting, then you also think that you kind of just turn up and just do it.

我認為這很有趣，因為我認為如果你不瞭解表演，那麼你也會認為你只是轉過身去做而已。

Listen, you gonna raise my son now?

聽著，你現在要撫養我兒子嗎？

Huh?

啊？

You gonna raise my son?

你會撫養我的兒子嗎？

There's so much work you do beforehand so that you can arrive on set, you're so prepared that you can deliver that work in a very short space of time.

你要事先做大量的工作，這樣才能到達拍攝現場，做好充分準備，在很短的時間內完成作品。

The very subjective nature of this question makes it hard to pin down why certain performances make you feel emotionally moved, while others feel, well, stilted.

這個問題的主觀性很強，很難說清為什麼某些表演會讓你動情，而另一些表演卻讓你覺得呆板。

But I think people don't understand that preparation can take up to four, five, sometimes even six months.

但我認為人們不瞭解，準備工作可能需要長達四、五個月，有時甚至六個月。

The building the psychology and getting ready for the piece itself.

建立心理，為作品本身做好準備。

Actually getting to act is such a minuscule part of the experience that you have to love it that much.

實際上，表演只是體驗中微不足道的一部分，你必須如此熱愛它。

I spent a lot of time on 47th Street, so I spent a lot of time with a lot of gamblers who had bad problems and lost a lot of things and lost their lives because of it.

我在 47 街待了很長時間，所以我和很多賭徒相處了很長時間，他們都有很嚴重的問題，輸掉了很多東西，也是以失去了生命。

It's good to learn something.

能學到東西是件好事。

I walked away thinking I knew everything.

我以為我什麼都知道了，就走開了。

Right now, it's a year later, I'm like, I forgot so much.

現在，一年過去了，我想，我忘記了太多。

When I prep, I do timelines and backstories, and I work with a dialect coach and a movement coach and an acting coach.

在準備過程中，我會做時間軸和背景故事，並與方言教練、動作教練和表演教練合作。

And I just, yeah, I need to do a lot before I show up to set so I can throw it all out the window when I get on set.

我只是，是的，我需要在去片場之前做很多事情，這樣當我到了片場，我就可以把一切都拋到九霄雲外。

Is a great actor just someone who can cry on cue?

一個偉大的演員僅僅是一個會哭的人嗎？

I sometimes cry a lot.

我有時會大哭一場。

You're not a softie, though.

不過，你也不是軟蛋。

You don't cry easily, do you?

你不容易哭，是嗎？

I get teary-eyed, yes.

是的，我熱淚盈眶。

My kids always say, I've never seen you cry.

我的孩子們總是說，我從沒見過你哭。

I want to see what you look like when you cry.

我想看看你哭泣時的樣子。

They scream that, please cry.

他們尖叫，請哭泣。

You don't cry?

你不哭嗎？

I don't cry that much, no.

我沒那麼愛哭，沒有。

You've had to cry in a movie, though, haven't you?

你也曾在電影裡哭過，不是嗎？

Yes, a lot.

是的，很多。

I've done like five times where I had to go full-on crying, and it's not easy for me.

我已經哭了五次，這對我來說並不容易。

Crying on cues is something you can do.

你可以根據提示哭泣。

It's always like stifling for an actor when it's written in the scene, like they begin to cry or they cry.

當戲中寫到演員開始哭泣或哭泣時，總是會讓演員感到窒息。

And then you're like, yeah, this is the scene where I'm gonna like, I'm gonna lose it, like snot's gonna come out of my nose, I'm gonna freak out.

然後你就會想，是啊，這場戲我就要失控了，鼻涕要流出來了，我要抓狂了。

I'm not some, I'm not like a tear performer.

我不像某些人，我不像淚水錶演者。

I spent my life growing up like trying to make myself cry.

在我的成長過程中，我一直在努力讓自己哭泣。

I can't do that.

我做不到

I can't do that.

我做不到

Can you do that?

你能做到嗎？

Yeah, I can't do that.

是的，我做不到。

No.

不

I kind of give myself a little bit of a safety net when I say to the director beforehand, I'll be like, yeah, I might cry.

我事先會對導演說："是的，我可能會哭。"這也算是給自己一個安全網。

But I might not cry, I might not.

但我可能不會哭，可能不會。

But I am totally stealing that.

但我完全是偷來的。

Because you can't control everything.

因為你無法控制一切。

Right.

對

So you can only control your intention and your degree of engagement.

是以，你只能控制自己的意圖和參與程度。

In fact, when you're free of the idea of the result, sometimes the engagement can run so much deeper.

事實上，當你擺脫了對結果的想法，有時參與會更加深入。

Focusing on being sad or angry often leads to indicating that emotion, and aiming for a result leads to a performance that feels forced.

專注於悲傷或憤怒往往會導致表現出這種情緒，而刻意追求結果則會讓人覺得表演是被迫的。

There was a scene in The Master I shot with Joaquin.

大師》中有一場戲是我和華金一起拍的。

I had in my head how the scene was going to go.

我腦子裡已經想好了場景的走向。

Yeah, you had the result before.

是的，你之前已經有了結果。

Exactly.

沒錯。

Freddie, wake up.

弗雷迪 醒醒

He was not waking up.

他沒有醒來。

I was supposed to wake him up, and he wasn't waking up.

我本該叫醒他，但他沒有醒來。

And I was like, I freaked out.

我當時嚇壞了。

Because I was like, no, here's how the scene goes.

因為我當時想，不，場景是這樣的。

See, I go over, I shake him.

你看，我走過去，和他握手。

I didn't roll with it.

我沒跟它滾。

And I learned a lesson from that, though.

不過，我也從中吸取了教訓。

I mean, eventually we got there, but I had in my head how the scene was going to go.

我的意思是，最終我們到達了那裡，但我腦子裡想的是那場戲會怎樣發展。

Wake up.

醒醒

Wake up.

醒醒

Acting is active, and therefore an actor's focus is often on an actable objective or goal rather than an emotion.

表演是主動的，是以演員的關注點往往是可行動的目標或目的，而不是情感。

If you can walk into an actor and say, just crowd the other guy.

如果你能走到一個演員面前，說："擠開對方。

Crowd him.

圍住他

That's such an active thing that the actor can do.

這是演員可以做的非常積極的事情。

You don't want to give, like, I mean, you can give faster, slower, but that's usually not useful.

你不想給，比如，我的意思是，你可以給得更快或更慢，但那通常沒什麼用。

Things like, and the goal in this scene is, make yourself understood or something like that.

比如，這個場景的目標是，讓自己被理解之類的。

Like, change their objective.

比如，改變他們的目標。

Redirect their objective.

重新引導他們的目標。

Because then you get to see their wheels turn about, how do they do that?

因為這樣你就能看到他們的車輪在轉動，他們是怎麼做到的？

You're not giving them the results.

你沒有給他們結果。

You're giving them, like.

你給了他們，就像

An intention.

一個意圖

This is the intention.

這就是我們的意圖。

And there is often a temptation to believe a great actor is someone who censors themselves, aiming for subtlety and the most emotional of scenes.

人們往往會認為，優秀的演員都會對自己進行嚴格的審查，追求細膩和最動情的場面。

I showed up on set.

我出現在片場

I said, I'm going to do my work as an actress, and I'm going to make it real small, Denzel.

我說，我要做我的演員工作，我要把它做得很小，丹澤爾。

But this, too, is a false notion.

但這也是一種錯誤的觀念。

And he was like, what are you doing?

他說，你在幹什麼？

And I said, well, I'm doing a small for the screen.

我說，好吧，我正在拍一部銀幕小品。

He said, why?

他說，為什麼？

And I said, because it's too big.

我說，因為它太大了。

It's big.

它很大。

He said, well, do what you think is too big.

他說，那就做你認為太大的事吧。

And I remember I did it.

我記得我做到了。

I've been standing with you.

我一直和你站在一起。

I've been right here with you, Troy.

我一直在你身邊 特洛伊

And he said, I don't think that's too big.

他說，我覺得這不算太大。

Great performances don't hinge on an actor choosing when to hesitate, stutter, wink, or grimace, but rather being in the moment.

出色的表演並不取決於演員選擇何時猶豫、結巴、眨眼或齜牙咧嘴，而是取決於演員是否身臨其境。

Michelle Williams in Blue Valentine, that vulnerability, and you get that feeling of, I guess it's cathartic in some ways.

米歇爾-威廉姆斯（Michelle Williams）在《藍色情人節》（Blue Valentine）中的那種脆弱，你會有一種感覺，我想這在某種程度上是一種宣洩。

Moment-by-moment acting is what allows a small flicker of emotion to cross an actor's face in between the lines.

每一瞬間的表演都能讓演員在字裡行間閃過一絲情感。

In order to do this, they must be free, completely unselfconscious, and vulnerable, which as human beings is easier said than done.

要做到這一點，他們必須是自由的、完全沒有自我意識的、脆弱的，而作為人類，這說起來容易做起來難。

We're so conditioned not to play, and we're so conditioned not to, you know, to be loose.

我們習慣了不打球，習慣了不放鬆。

And we're so conditioned to, we're so conditioned to having stuff mean.

我們習慣了，我們習慣了讓東西變得刻薄。

We're not, we're not comfortable with things that we can't quite explain.

我們對無法解釋的事情感到不自在。

A big part of an actor's ability to be vulnerable relies on the trust they build with a director.

演員能否表現出脆弱的一面，很大程度上取決於他們與導演之間建立的信任。

An actor is laying an awful lot of this deep, intimate, personal stuff out there.

演員要把很多深層次的、私密的、個人的東西展示出來。

And a good director, it seems to me, is both the third eye, but also a comforter.

在我看來，好導演既是第三隻眼，也是安慰者。

I think I hear more often that directors don't communicate.

我想我聽到的更多的是導演不溝通。

I think that's probably the complaint I've heard from crew and cast.

我想這可能是我從劇組和演員那裡聽到的抱怨。

There are very few directors who have that language.

擁有這種語言的導演少之又少。

You've had a thought.

你有一個想法。

You've been working on these lines.

你一直在研究這些臺詞。

You've done all of your research.

你已經做了所有的調查。

You've built your backstory as an actor.

作為一名演員，你已經有了自己的背景故事。

And those directors that can still come and tell you something, and you go, oh, wow.

而那些還能來告訴你一些事情的導演，會讓你驚歎不已。

That helps, that helps.

這很有幫助，很有幫助。

Yeah, let me try it that way.

是的，讓我試試看。

Yeah, that rarely happens.

是啊，這種情況很少發生。

It's, you know.

這是，你知道的。

Like, do you know that when a director comes in and you can tell that you haven't gotten it?

比如，你知道導演來的時候，你能看出你還沒有得到它嗎？

Yeah.

是啊

And they're like, we got it, we got it, we got to move on.

他們會說，我們知道了，我們知道了，我們得繼續前進。

And then you're like, can I go for one more?

然後你會想，我能再來一次嗎？

It's like, no, no, no, we got it.

這就像，不，不，不，我們得到了它。

I'd love to go for one more.

我很想再去一次。

And then they go, okay, if you're going to go for one more, do this.

然後他們會說，好吧，如果你還想再來一次，就這樣做吧。

Yeah.

是啊

Like, and then I think trust is just destroyed.

就像，然後我覺得信任就被摧毀了。

Oftentimes, what differentiates a good performance from a great one is the quality of writing an actor is working with.

通常情況下，好的表演和出色的表演之間的區別在於演員所使用的劇本的品質。

And I think that my first job is to be a really good writer to the actors.

我認為，我的首要任務是成為演員們心目中真正的好編劇。

So many times you see so much description of what the character is supposed to be feeling and stuff in screenplays.

很多時候，你會在劇本中看到很多關於角色感受的描述。

And it's just a big mistake.

這是個大錯誤。

It has to be done through dialogue and what they do.

這必須通過對話和他們的工作來實現。

What are they going to do?

他們會怎麼做？

Are they going to walk across the street?

他們會走過馬路嗎？

You know, then that's a character trait.

你知道，這就是一種性格特徵。

You know, they're making that decision.

你知道，他們正在做這個決定。

I think a lot of the time, I don't know if you found this as an actor, but you read scripts and they describe characters as being that.

我想很多時候，我不知道你作為演員是否發現了這一點，但你讀劇本時，他們會把角色描述成那樣。

But then the character isn't in the dialogue or the text or the script directions.

但是，對話、文本或劇本指導中都沒有這個角色。

When writing is not good, you have to fill in the blanks.

寫得不好，就得填空。

And I always say the actors who should get the awards are the actors who have to make bad work good.

我總是說，應該獲獎的演員是那些必須把糟糕的作品變好的演員。

However, when great writing and great direction align, it lays the foundation for great acting.

然而，當出色的編劇和出色的導演相得益彰時，就會為出色的表演奠定基礎。

And this frees up actors to make interesting choices.

這也讓演員們可以做出有趣的選擇。

You have multiple different ideas which you just think would be kind of fun.

你有多種不同的想法，你只是覺得這些想法會很有趣。

And also sometimes you think about things which should be exciting for the other actor.

有時你也會想一些應該讓其他演員感到興奮的事情。

So it gives them something to react to.

這樣他們就有反應了。

When I read it, I just I wanted to do it because the greatest thing as an actor that you can lean into in film is a trust in your director.

當我讀到這個劇本時，我就想演了，因為作為演員，在電影中最重要的就是對導演的信任。

You know, trust in their choices, not that you always go with them, but that you trust in their single-minded approach and their perspective.

你知道，要相信他們的選擇，不是說你總是跟著他們走，而是要相信他們一心一意的做法和觀點。

To make a strong choice, you know, whatever it is.

做出堅定的選擇，你知道，不管是什麼。

Like I saw you make choices and do things that I could just see that you were just in your head were going, oh, I'll do that now.

就像我看到你做出的選擇和做的事情，我可以看到你只是在你的腦海裡想，哦，我現在就去做。

It's just the most exquisite thing I've ever seen.

這是我見過的最精緻的東西。

Great acting often comes as the result of actors who aren't afraid to take big risks in the choices they make.

出色的表演往往是演員不畏艱險、敢於選擇的結果。

She walks and then she almost staggers and then she tiptoes.

她走著走著就幾乎踉蹌起來，然後又踮起腳尖。

And it's extraordinary choice.

這是一個非同尋常的選擇。

That kind of detail that she's aware of in the way she uses her body to express the character, even with her back to camera, that to me should be a masterclass for anybody that wants to be an actor.

即使是背對鏡頭，她也能注意到用自己的身體來表現角色的細節，這對我來說應該是任何想成為演員的人的大師級課程。

And an important part of the choices an actor can make is knowing how to use your instrument to serve the role.

而演員所能做出的選擇的一個重要部分，就是知道如何利用自己的樂器為角色服務。

I think Phil just intuitively knew that this person should be light on his feet.

我覺得菲爾憑直覺就知道，這個人應該腳步輕盈。

I certainly never thought I'd look at Joaquin standing like that.

我從沒想過我會這樣看著華金站著。

From how they walk?

從他們走路的方式？

One thing can give it to you.

有一樣東西可以給你。

A walk can give it to you.

走一走就能給你。

Joaquin is so specific in the way Arthur's run looked.

華金對亞瑟奔跑的樣子描繪得非常具體。

I thought it was really something.

我覺得這真的很了不起。

You watch her walk.

你看著她走路。

She was watching The Searchers.

她在看《搜索者》。

And she was doing John Wayne.

她在演約翰-韋恩

She was doing John Wayne the whole time.

她一直在演約翰-韋恩。

How they talk.

他們是怎麼說話的

I know a lot of British people that can do excellent American accents.

我認識很多英國人，他們的美式口音都很棒。

Yes, me too.

是的，我也是。

And the pool's a little bit smaller on the American end.

而美國這邊的水池要小一些。

When I read a script, the first thing that comes into my head before the visuals or anything is, what is this person going to sound like?

當我讀劇本時，在視覺效果或其他任何東西出現之前，我腦海中浮現的第一件事就是：這個人的聲音會是什麼樣的？

Getting all of those cadences and pauses and the strong, elongated words, it really got me into the whole voice and everything.

掌握所有這些節奏和停頓，以及有力、拉長的單詞，真的讓我融入了整個聲音和一切。

You and the Johnsons have already done so much.

你和約翰遜一家已經做了很多。

I just sort of had to lean into the sounds and go, they're going to come, they're going to come, and just listen to her, listen to her, listen to her, listen to her.

我只是不得不靠在聲音裡，"它們會來的，它們會來的"，然後聽她說，聽她說，聽她說，聽她說。

And slowly it would wash into my mouth, my body, my brain, my psyche.

慢慢地，它就會進入我的口腔、我的身體、我的大腦、我的心靈。

And then suddenly she was there.

然後，她突然出現了。

Jim, let's go.

吉姆，我們走

It's not going to get better than this.

沒有比這更好的了。

Copy that.

收到。

And a big part of what makes a performance great is listening.

表演之所以精彩，很大一部分原因在於傾聽。

Do I make myself clear?

我說得夠清楚了嗎？

I'm sorry, I wasn't listening.

對不起，我沒聽清。

Ow!

噢

Always make sure that you're listening, because your reactions will be different if you're listening to the other person properly.

一定要確保自己在傾聽，因為如果你正確地傾聽了對方，你的反應就會不同。

What was that?

那是什麼？

The misconception that exists somehow is that a great actor delivers great lines, but a great actor listens to great lines.

某種程度上存在的誤解是，偉大的演員會講出偉大的臺詞，但偉大的演員會聆聽偉大的臺詞。

Just listening is my favourite acting to do.

我最喜歡做的事就是傾聽。

I think it's listening to the way what the other actors are offering, or maybe the mood they're in that day.

我認為這需要傾聽其他演員的表演方式，或者他們當天的心情。

Because for me, acting is really just being in the moment as well as I can.

因為對我來說，表演其實就是儘可能地融入當下。

And then I just listen and I just answer.

然後我只是聽，只是回答。

But a great performance rests on more than just the actor alone.

但是，精彩的表演不僅僅取決於演員本身。

And that's kind of partly what I love about this.

這也是我喜歡它的部分原因。

There is a kind of social aspect to it.

它有一種社會性。

You're part of a team, you know, on set.

在片場，你是團隊的一員。

What's rarely talked about is what we do as a collaborative sport.

很少有人談及的是我們作為一項協作運動所做的工作。

We're part of a collage, man.

我們是拼貼畫的一部分，夥計。

Yeah, exactly.

是啊，沒錯。

But even so much as wanting your component of that collage to fit perfectly into the collage, you really have to kind of give it all up.