It's more likely to be correct and grounded in reality.

它更有可能是正確的，也更有現實基礎。

Talk to the AI about how to do better.

與 AI 討論如何做得更好。

It's a very deep philosophical conversation.

這是一場非常深刻的哲學對話。

It's a bit above my pay grade.

這有點超出我的工資範圍了。

Awesome.

棒極了。

Sundar, it is such a pleasure to meet you.

桑達爾，很高興見到你。

It's likewise, thank you for doing it.

我也是，謝謝你。

Just like you, I love AI.

和你一樣，我也熱愛 AI。

I love talking about AI.

我喜歡談論 AI。

So I think no surprise today, I'm definitely gonna delve into that with you.

所以，我認為今天毫不意外，我一定會和你一起深入討論 AI 的。

And with so many AI tools coming out these days and so much going on, I mean, the shift of AI in the space of a year has been insane.

如今，AI 工具層出不窮，AI 在一年的時間裡發生了翻天覆地的變化。

And a lot of people feel like if they don't start using AI, if they don't understand AI, they are gonna be left in the dust.

很多人覺得，如果他們不開始使用 AI，如果他們不瞭解 AI，他們就會被淘汰。

So why should people start using Google's AI?

那麼，人們為什麼要開始使用谷歌的 AI 呢？

Look, I think for multiple reasons.

聽著，我認為原因是多方面的。

To start with, it makes your experience better, right?

首先，它能讓你獲得更好的體驗，對嗎？

I think using AI, it's gonna summarize things for you.

我認為使用 AI，它會為你總結事情。

It's gonna save you time.

這會節省你的時間。

Now you can type a much more complex question, right?

現在你可以輸入一個更復雜的問題了，對吧？

Find me exercise studios within four miles of where I live and open at these hours.

在我居住地四英里範圍內為我找到在這些時間段營業的健身房。

And it kind of summarizes an answer for you.

這也算是為你總結了一個答案。

So it just makes your life a bit easier.

它能讓你的生活更輕鬆一些。

That's the primary way we are putting AI in our product.

這就是我們在產品中應用 AI 的主要方式。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊，是啊。

AI is gonna be in our lives across everything we do.

AI 將貫穿我們生活的方方面面。

Learn to understand where it's good at, what the pitfalls are.

瞭解它的長處在哪裡，陷阱在哪裡。

So I think there's a part of getting familiar with the new technology too.

所以我認為這也是熟悉新技術的一部分。

So you want to do it for both reasons.

會出於這兩個原因使用它。

Amazing.

太神奇了。

I'm sure you're aware of the competitors, Copilot, ChatGPT. - Yeah.

我相信你一定知道競爭對手，像 Copilot、ChatGPT。- 是的。

What makes Gemini or Google's AI better than the competitors?

是什麼讓 Gemini 或谷歌的 AI 優於競爭對手？

I think a few things.

我想有幾件事。

The way we integrate with Google Search and other Google products.

我們與谷歌搜索和其他谷歌產品的整合方式。

So for example, it can summarize your emails in Gmail.

例如，它可以彙總 Gmail 中的電子郵件。

You can easily send off an email to Gmail.

你可以輕鬆向 Gmail 發送電子郵件。

So it's very well integrated with the rest of your Google products.

它與谷歌其他產品的集成度非常高。

And so I think, including YouTube, right?

所以我認為，包括 YouTube 在內，對嗎？

Yes, yeah.

是的，是的。

So it's multi-modal.

它是多模式的。

So over time, you'll be able to use voice, you can point it at things.

隨著時間的推移，你將能夠使用語音，你可以將它指向事物。

I think that'll be an area where it's differentiated as well.

我認為這也將是它與眾不同的地方。

At Google, over many years, we've built a vast understanding of the world.

在谷歌，經過多年的發展，我們已經對世界有了深入的瞭解。

So you can go to any chatbot and ask, "Help me plan a trip."

你可以向任何聊天機器人詢問：「幫我計劃一次旅行。」

But they can hallucinate.

但他們會產生幻覺。

Okay, yeah.

對的。

But what Google can do in Gemini is ground it in the way we have built over years our understanding of the world.

但是，谷歌在 Gemini 所能做的，就是把它建立在我們多年來對世界的理解之上。

So when we say go from place A to B, it's more likely to be correct and grounded in reality.

是以，當我們說從 A 地到 B 地時，它更有可能是正確的，也更有現實基礎。

With Gemini, and even something like virtual team, it feels as though AI is almost, does almost have a consciousness sometimes.

有了Gemini，甚至像虛擬團隊這樣的東西，感覺人工智能幾乎，有時確實幾乎有了意識。

Do you think it'll be much longer until there is some form of AI consciousness that we see, like a real form of it?

你認為要等到我們看到某種形式的人工智能意識，比如真正的人工智能意識，還需要更長的時間嗎？

You know, obviously consciousness is a deep topic and it's something that is not yet fully understood.

要知道，意識顯然是一個深奧的話題，人們對它還沒有完全理解。

We all feel it.

我們都能感受到。

We all perceive it.

我們都能感知它。

So I think there's a difference between what it means to be truly conscious AI versus can AI appear conscious?

是以，我認為真正有意識的人工智能與人工智能是否能表現出有意識這兩者之間是有區別的。

I think the second thing is,

我認為第二件事是

I think in the next few years, you'll clearly have AI, which will give you all semblance of being conscious and you may not be able to differentiate.

我認為，在未來幾年裡，人工智能會很明顯地讓你產生意識，而你可能無法分辨。

But I think that's a very different question from is it actually conscious?

但我認為，這與它是否真的有意識是兩個完全不同的問題。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊，是啊。

Which is a more profound question. - It's true.

哪個問題更深刻？

And it's a very deep philosophical conversation.

這是一場非常深刻的哲學對話。

Yeah, that's true.

是的，沒錯。

How do I know you are conscious, right?

我怎麼知道你有意識，對吧？

Like, you know, I mean, how do I have a way of knowing it?

我怎麼有辦法知道呢？

And so I think, you know, it's a bit above my pay grade, I think, to answer that question.

所以我覺得，要回答這個問題，這有點超出我的工資範圍。

Yeah, I think like you write, it's quite an interesting topic that could go on for days, actually.

是啊，我覺得就像你寫的那樣，這是一個相當有趣的話題，實際上可以說上好幾天。

And so for the people who do use these AI tools and who do adopt them, whether it's in work or just their day-to-day life, for those people and the general public, what do you think AI is going to look like for them in the next five to 10 years?

對於那些使用這些 AI 工具並採用它們的人，無論是在工作中還是在日常生活中，對於這些人和普通大眾來說，你認為未來五到十年人工智能對他們來說會是什麼樣子？

I think you're going to have some AI which you can talk to or ask to help, and it's going to be available for you, right?

我認為，你將擁有一些可以與它們交談的 AI，或請求它們提供幫助，它們也會為你提供幫助，對嗎？

At your fingertips.

觸手可及。

If you're in Google Docs and you're typing something, it corrects your spelling and grammar.

如果你在 Google Doc 中打字，它會糾正你的拼寫和文法。

Yeah, yeah.

是啊，是啊。

You take it for granted.

你認為這是理所當然的。

But, you know, AI is going to be there like that for pretty much everything you do in your life.

但是，AI 會像這樣出現在你生活中的幾乎所有事情中。

You know, you may be getting ready for an interview and you would just talk to the AI about how to do better. Right?

你可能正在準備面試，你會和 AI 討論如何做得更好。對不對？

And it won't even seem strange to you that you're going to do that.

你甚至不會覺得這樣做有什麼奇怪。

So that notion, you know, it's what, you know, we showed glimpses of it with Project Astra today.

我們今天通過「阿斯特拉計劃」展示了這一概念的雛形。

Yeah, yeah. - Right?

是啊，是啊。- 對不對？

And the fact that there's an AI, it's based on our multimodal model, so it can see what you see.

事實上，AI 是基於我們的多模態模型，所以它能看到你所看到的。

Yeah.

是啊。

You can talk, you can ask it to reason about the world.

你可以說話，可以讓它推理世界。

And remember, it's just at the early stages and these things are going to progress pretty fast.

記住，現在只是初期階段，這些事情會進展得很快。

Yeah.

是啊。

So it sounds to me like you're saying it's almost going to be more magical and in more people's hands, so to speak.

所以，在我看來，你的意思是說，它幾乎會變得更神奇，可以說掌握在更多人的手中。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah, I like that.

是的，我喜歡。

So for the people who, let's say, don't adopt AI and don't start using it, what do you think the future looks like for them?

那麼，對於那些不採用 AI，不開始使用 AI 的人來說，你認為他們的未來會怎樣？

You know, you want to try these things, use a chatbot, whatever you prefer, right?

你想嘗試這些東西，使用聊天機器人，不管你喜歡什麼，對吧？

And learn, interact with them.

並與他們學習、互動。

You know, people can express themselves in a variety of ways, but I think you will have a leg up if you can understand the technology, right?

人們可以用各種方式表達自己，但我認為，如果你能理解技術，你就會佔得先機，對嗎？

I mean, it's an important change.

我的意思是，這是一個重要的變化。

It's happening at a faster pace than previous technologies.

與以往的技術相比，它的發展速度更快。

Yeah.

是啊。

So learning, becoming familiar with it, learning how to use it, you know, I think will give you a leg up.

學習、熟悉它，學會如何使用它，我認為會讓你更有優勢。

With the Gemini now coming out, I've seen, you know, when going on Pixel devices, you're prompted to now change from Google Assistant to Gemini.

隨著 Gemini 的問世我看到，在使用 Pixel 設備時，系統會提示你將谷歌助手更改為 Gemini。

So is Google Assistant fading away?

那麼，谷歌助手會逐漸消失嗎？

The right way to think about it is, over time you'll have Gemini powering Google Assistant, right? - Okay.

正確的思路是，隨著時間的推移，Gemini 將為谷歌助手提供動力，對嗎？- 好的。

They will become one and the same thing.

它們將合二為一。

As we go through this transition, Gemini can do everything Google Assistant can do.

在我們經歷這一轉變的過程中，Gemini 能做谷歌助手能做的一切。

It's going to be there right at your fingertips to help you.

它就在你的指尖，為你提供幫助。

Now that Gemini is on Pixel devices, what do you think people are primarily going to use it for?

現在 Gemini 已經出現在 Pixel 設備上，你認為人們主要會將其用於什麼用途？

Like, I'm sure you've got user data already about what people are using it for the most.

比如，我相信你已經掌握了用戶數據關於人們最常使用它做什麼。

So what do you think that's going to be that you predominantly see people doing with it?

那麼，你認為人們主要會用它來做什麼？

People ask it for ideas, right?

人們向它徵求意見。

I think the most common ways we see people using it is they have... they want somebody to brainstorm with them.

我認為，我們最常見到的使用方式是，人們希望有人與他們一起集思廣益。

Right? I found myself using, "Hey, what should I do for Mother's Day?"

對不對？我發現自己問：「嘿，母親節我該做些什麼呢？」

Sometimes you're just trying to understand something very quickly.

有時，你只是想快速理解一些東西。

I'm like, "Hey, Gemini, is this food gluten-free," right?

我說：「嘿，Gemini，這食物是無麩質嗎？」

And in a world with Project Astra, that gets easier.

而在有了阿斯特拉計劃的世界裡，這一切變得更加容易。

You can ask Gemini to look at the food and it can answer it for you.

你可以讓 Gemini 看看食物，它就能為你解答。

I think people are using it pretty broadly across different types of needs.

我認為，人們正在廣泛使用它，以滿足不同類型的需求。

And I think people are getting more and more familiar and comfortable with the technology.

我認為，人們對這項技術越來越熟悉，也越來越得心應手。

So yeah, it feels like full of possibilities.

所以，是的，感覺充滿了可能性。

Yeah, so more day-to-day kind of things.

是的，更多的是日常事務。

Like you say, more ideas.

就像你說的，更多的想法。

I like that about, you know, kind of Mother's Day or gift ideas or excursions.

我喜歡這樣的母親節、禮物創意或短途旅行。

Yeah, but I think like you saw today, people may want to go to a place and they say, "Well, what should I do for a week?"

是的，但我覺得就像你今天看到的那樣，人們可能想去一個地方，然後他們會說：「那我一個星期該做些什麼呢？」

We're going to make it much easier.

我們會讓事情變得更簡單。

We're going to try and help you plan that.

我們會盡力幫你制定計劃。

Those are the kind of new features we are bringing into Gemini.

這些都是我們將引入 Gemini 的新功能。

Absolutely.

當然。

But there's a lot we can do more.

但我們還有很多事情可以做。

My final question is what is your hope for AI in the future?

最後一個問題是，你對 AI 的未來有何期許？

Like where do you hope this ends up going in the end?

比如，你希望這一切最終走向何方？

I think the biggest way we hope is what looks like a technology is just infused in a way that makes our lives better.

我認為，我們最大的希望是，看似技術的東西能以一種讓我們的生活更美好的方式注入其中。

We can clearly see it in the context of an assistant, the fact we are using the same AI to make your car self-driving in a same way, right?

我們可以清楚地看到，在助理的背景下，我們正在使用同樣的 AI，以同樣的方式讓你的汽車自動駕駛，對嗎？

Or using AI to better discover drugs that can target difficult diseases.

或者利用 AI 更好地發現針對疑難雜症的藥物。

So you should view it, you know, I've compared it in the past to electricity or fire, you know, so I've called it more profound than that.

所以，你應該看看它，我過去曾把它比作電或火，所以我把它稱作比電或火更深奧的東西。

You know, you want to think about it in that deep fundamental way.

你想從根本上深入思考這個問題。

And just like today, you don't think about electricity, it's there everywhere.

就像今天一樣，你不用考慮電，它無處不在。

The AI will pretty much touch everything we do.

AI 將幾乎觸及我們所做的一切。

And, you know, it has a lot of potential to make things better.

而且，它有很大的潛力讓事情變得更好。

There are obviously pitfalls, which we need to be careful about and make sure we tackle them.

顯然，這其中存在著陷阱，我們需要小心謹慎，並確保解決這些陷阱。

I wish I could spend the whole day talking to you about AI.

我真希望能花上一整天的時間和你討論 AI。

I feel excited about the future just because of what Google is doing and Google's AI products.

谷歌正在做的事情和谷歌的 AI 產品讓我對未來感到興奮。

So yeah, thank you for that.

所以，是的，謝謝你。

All right, thanks, Sayles.

好的，謝謝 Sayles。

I appreciate it.

我很感激。

Take care.

保重。