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  • - We were on set for "Spider-Man."

  • I kept forgetting that you were English

  • because you spoke in your American accent the whole time.

  • And I was like, oh, shit, he is-

  • - Oh, sugar.

  • - Oh, oh, snap.

  • He is, he is from, dang.

  • - Oh, darn. - Darn, darn it.

  • - Oh, fudge, fudge.

  • - Fudgesicles.

  • What was really funny, I think, about it

  • is, like, Tom was so nervous about you guys coming in.

  • - That's so wild. - So nervous.

  • - He never let anything onto, pull those pants down.

  • Get those calves.

  • Get under, under wraps. - Under control.

  • - Yeah.

  • - These crazy forearms.

  • (both laugh)

  • Inside jokes.

  • Wait, wat was that from, what was that?

  • I forget what that was from.

  • - It was a Toby one, and he was like, "Those crazy,"

  • because he was trying to pull up the...

  • - These crazy forearms.

  • - So it reminded me of this.

  • (upbeat funky music)

  • - Acting.

  • - So acting. - Acting.

  • So, really, acting though, because (giggles).

  • - We knew this would happen.

  • We were like, "It's gonna go great off-camera.

  • As soon as it starts rolling, we're gonna be like,

  • 'So, I don't know how to speak anymore.'"

  • Yeah.

  • - No, but, okay, but seriously though,

  • because I haven't said to you yet,

  • and I've been saving it since I've seen you this morning.

  • Having seen season two now of your show "Euphoria,"

  • with our friend, Sam Levinson,

  • the brilliant creator, showrunner,

  • director extraordinaire that he is,

  • and your incredible cast,

  • but I just do wanna start making you very uncomfortable

  • and say that it is kind of one of the most remarkable things

  • I've seen an actor do in recent memory

  • because of its rawness, because of its agony,

  • because of its unflinching vulnerability

  • and access to a woundedness,

  • and a kind of universal soul-cry for meaning

  • that you seem to just have and access.

  • How, but how?

  • - Well, thank you.

  • - No, but like- - No, but I mean that,

  • that means the world.

  • I really, really appreciate that.

  • - But, like, it's kind of wild, man.

  • And I know it's hard to receive those things,

  • 'cause you just do what you do,

  • but for me to witness it,

  • especially, I think it was episode five.

  • What's the name of the episode?

  • "Stand Like a Hummingbird."

  • - Yeah, it was "Stand Still Like a Hummingbird."

  • - "Stand Still Like a Hummingbird."

  • - Where did you put it, where'd you put my pills, Mom?

  • Where did you put it?

  • - [Leslie] Get out of my way, get out of my way.

  • I'm calling the police.

  • - [Rue] No you can't, you can't do that.

  • - [Leslie] You will not attack me

  • in my own home. - I'll do whatever the fuck

  • I want in your own home.

  • - It is one of the most relentless episodes of television,

  • like emotionally relentless episodes

  • of television I've ever seen,

  • and we love you so much in the show, just as a character,

  • and to see you being, and I know you,

  • you know, I'm starting to get to know you better and better,

  • but to have access to that kind of awfulness.

  • - [Zendaya] Yeah, I know.

  • - And the damage and the pain,

  • and to make it so human,

  • and I'm not asking a question yet,

  • and I don't know how to ask a question about it,

  • and it's gonna be 30 minutes of just praising you,

  • and that's fun for me and for all of us.

  • Not for you, but-

  • - I don't know how to, I'm still trying

  • to figure out how to take 'em.

  • - Well, yeah, but that's another thing we can get into.

  • - Yeah, taking compliments.

  • - Actors taking compliments.

  • Welcome back to actors taking compliments

  • with Zendaya and Andrew.

  • No, but for real, though,

  • so how did you sustain access to that agony,

  • access to that rage, access to that yearning,

  • for the whole series,

  • but particularly that relentless episode,

  • like how did you do that?

  • (Zendaya sighs) (Andrew laughs)

  • - Let's just really go right to it, right?

  • Sorry, it's, like, the thing I'm interested in.

  • - But I wanna say thank you

  • because, you know, I've obviously been

  • a fan of your work for a long time,

  • and hearing, I think, you know,

  • compliments from people that you admire,

  • and people whose work that you respect,

  • it means so much, you know?

  • So thank you for that.

  • - Well, I'm flattered that it's so meaningful to you.

  • - Yes, no it is.

  • But it's tough,

  • and I thought what was actually quite sweet

  • was when that episode did air,

  • I did get a lot of messages from people checking in on me,

  • which I really appreciated.

  • - That makes me wanna cry a little bit.

  • - It was very kind and heartwarming in that way,

  • that people were looking out.

  • I think there was a lot of actors

  • that were like, "Are you good?"

  • And I was like, "Yeah, I'm good, I'm good."

  • - It didn't feel like there was any acting.

  • It felt like you were living through something

  • in such an authentic way, so.

  • - I don't know, you know, it's hard to say

  • that there's any specific process for that, right?

  • I feel like, when it comes to Rue, at least for me,

  • my experience with her is, I've been able,

  • I've had the privilege of playing her for a while, right?

  • So I've had the luxury of living in her skin for a bit,

  • and the closeness that I share with Sam, who you spoke of,

  • is a huge part of that because I think Rue

  • is very much based on him as a teenager,

  • and I think a lot of the pain that he went through,

  • and now him being able to turn it

  • into something quite beautiful

  • and express it through Rue.

  • So Rue has become kind of like an amalgamation

  • of my experiences, his experiences,

  • and our collective pain,

  • and seeing through the eyes of an addict,

  • and trying to always kind of,

  • I think the approach was to try to

  • approach it as human as possible

  • without ever shying away from the devastation

  • and the ugliness of what that can create.

  • And, also, 'cause it's not just about Rue, right?

  • That whole kind of opening, it's about an entire family

  • and friends and loved ones that are

  • affected by that pain, as well,

  • and you have to show that,

  • and you have to go there,

  • and I had actually been very afraid to shoot that episode

  • because it had been an episode that we,

  • that's why I was having a hard time

  • remembering the name of the episode,

  • 'cause we just always called it the Rue run.

  • (both laugh)

  • So, you know, it had been written for, like,

  • a while before the pandemic,

  • and so I was kind of dreading having to do it.

  • I was very scared

  • to tackle that. - Of course, yeah.

  • - And also knowing that on top of

  • just kind of this massive blowout,

  • where the pain is coming to a head

  • and getting to a point where you can't hide it anymore,

  • and then on top of that, she's going through withdrawal.

  • So that's like a whole nother physical thing

  • and aspect to kind of keep inside your brain

  • while also trying to, like,

  • understand everything else that's happening.

  • What was cool, basically, is we,

  • you know, Sam lit the whole house.

  • So we usually, with "Euphoria,"

  • it's like things are very structured shots, right,

  • and to try to give the show

  • that feels very chaotic, some type of structure,

  • a lot of dollies and a lot of calculated

  • kind of camera movements for that, it was all Marcell,

  • our incredible cinematographer, Marcell Rev.

  • He was, you know, had it on his shoulder the whole time

  • and was moving with me,

  • and I think it becomes

  • like a dance, you know? - Of course, yeah.

  • - [Zendaya] When you have that

  • camera operator that understands.

  • - How long were those takes?

  • - Until the mag went out.

  • So, you know-

  • - 'Cause you shoot on film.

  • - Yeah. - Which is...

  • (imitates camera ticking)

  • And there's very specific film stock

  • that you guys use, as well.

  • - Yeah, Ektachrome.

  • - Yeah. - That they made for us.

  • - So beautiful. - So crazy.

  • - It enhances everything

  • and just kind of gives it a hue of beauty

  • and sadness and tenderness.

  • I was gonna ask you, like,

  • did you say, "We're doing my close up first?"

  • - No, we-

  • - Like, "I don't give a shit about the,

  • a crap about the dolly."

  • - There was no kind of structure 'cause there couldn't be.

  • There had to be a level of volatility

  • and unpredictability to her mood

  • and where it was gonna go,

  • so we just started from the beginning,

  • and they just made, they said,

  • "Listen, you can break whatever you want,

  • we made it so it's safe to break

  • and throw whatever you want. - Wow, that's great.

  • - And we're gonna light the whole house,

  • so you can go through the whole thing.

  • - So weirdly caring.

  • - So caring, right?

  • To make sure I was good. - So beautifully caring, yeah.

  • 'Cause they know that you were gonna be

  • doing something incredibly painful and hard.

  • - [Zendaya] Yeah.

  • - And then how many takes of that sequence did you do?

  • - You know, just over and over again.

  • until we felt like we had it,

  • and then we moved on to the next part,

  • but it was a long day, 'cause that's like.

  • - That was one day?

  • - It was one day of just fighting everyone,

  • and, you know, I'm sure you can understand,

  • but when you're playing a character

  • that you deeply care about,

  • but they're actively making decisions where you're like,

  • "Why, please don't say that, don't do that."

  • And then, on top of that, you, as a person,

  • with your fellow actors, you love them, you care about them.

  • You don't wanna say these things to other.

  • - Why am I crying?

  • - I know, no.

  • But you don't wanna hurt somebody else, you know?

  • You don't wanna hurt someone.

  • You don't wanna say something to someone that hurts them.

  • That's not the kind of person I feel like I am.

  • You know what's a shame, Mom?

  • My dad's dead.

  • Kind of keeps you from admitting

  • what a shit fucking mother you are.

  • - So evident in that sequence,

  • like, I can see those moments,

  • which are just so subterranean, which are like,

  • I don't wanna- - Wanna do this.

  • - "But I have to do it." - But I have to.

  • - And so, actually, weirdly, your struggle as an actor

  • can be used as your struggle as the character.

  • - [Zendaya] Yeah.

  • - And then the lines become-

  • - And anything you have inside,

  • any pain at least I've held onto throughout my life,

  • I just, I let Rue have it, you know,

  • and I let her use whatever kind of, I need to hold onto,

  • and I let her get it out for me.

  • - [Andrew] That's beautiful.

  • - 'Cause I get it out in a different way.

  • I'm not like that.

  • And often I shove, so it allows her to take that on,

  • and I'm just very grateful to have

  • an environment where I felt safe.

  • - My gosh, amen.

  • Like, do you feel, 'cause I remember when I was a kid,

  • I didn't know where to put,

  • I'm not saying you're a kid,

  • I'm just saying when I was a kid,

  • I didn't know where to put my-

  • - The feelings.

  • - Yeah, and my experience of this insanity of being alive,

  • and obviously Sam Levinson, your fearless leader,

  • is kind of dealing with his own demons within the show,

  • which is so personal, obviously,

  • and so kind of healing,

  • and when I found theater for the first time,

  • I was like, "Oh my gosh, I get to be

  • all the things I'm told not to be."

  • - Right.

  • - [Andrew] In an environment where I'm not-

  • - Judged for it. - Gonna get judged.

  • But in fact I'm going to get thanked.

  • - [Zendaya] Right.

  • - [Andrew] And I love the dynamic between

  • you and your sister, particularly.

  • And then the family of the mom saying,

  • "No, this is about Rue,"

  • and then your sponsor-

  • - She's always, look, yeah. - Coleman Domingo.

  • - Who's brilliant.

  • - Amazing, the whole cast is so incredible.

  • - I love Colman.

  • - And the young actress who plays

  • your sister is just like, wow.

  • - Storm is also very-

  • - Oh my gosh.

  • - I'm very lucky.

  • - Dang. - I'm very, very lucky.

  • - It's so cool. - 'Cause you need that.

  • You know, you need that support

  • 'cause your brain, part of it knows

  • that what you're doing isn't real, right,

  • or that it's not supposed to be real,

  • but your body doesn't know the difference, right?

  • You're still gonna get the same bruises

  • if you kick a door down.

  • What the fuck else am I supposed to do, huh?

  • - I have a great acting teacher who was basically like,

  • "Well, it has to be healing.

  • If it isn't healing, then we're not doing it right."

  • And it's about pitching it up, as you said,

  • and pitching it out. - Right.

  • - And, also, it does become of service.

  • Like, I watched that and I got a lot of healing

  • for the experiences I've had with the addicts in my life.

  • - And that's the point

  • of what we do. - That's everything.

  • - You know what I'm saying? - I'm with you.

  • - If you can find a way to heal through it

  • and hopefully heal someone else through it,

  • that is, like- - That's it.

  • - That's the purpose of it.

  • - Thank you, Brother.

  • Thank you for your understanding.

  • Thank you for sparing me.

  • - There's a million different characters

  • that you're jumping in and out of,

  • and how do you keep track of those people,

  • and how are you able to separate or compartmentalize

  • to a degree to make it healthy enough

  • to say, "I'm leaving them here

  • and then I'm moving on to this one,

  • and then Andrew's gonna be here,

  • and I'm gonna leave him here."

  • How do you find that balance? - That's a good question,

  • and I wanna deflect it,

  • and I wanna bring it back to you,

  • but I'll try and keep it on me for a second,

  • but, like, because it is important,

  • and I don't know about you,

  • but I find actually if,

  • and it's about, I surf as well,

  • so it's about wave selection.

  • It's actually like, "Okay, is this wave mine

  • or is this wave for that guys?

  • Or that girls or that person's?"

  • Like, "No, I'm gonna let that one pass."

  • And when I started out acting,

  • it was like, "I'll just take them all."

  • - Yeah, right, right, right, "I just wanna act."

  • - I did, like, the first thing I did

  • was a Doritos commercial in Spain,

  • and I thought I was done, I'd made it.

  • I made like two grand for two days of work,

  • and I was like, "That's like, my life is set up."

  • Like showing my father the pay stub, going.

  • - "I did it."

  • - I don't need to work at Starbucks for the next week.

  • - I love it.

  • - But then we get, I think both you and I have gotten

  • to a very privileged position where we get to decide,

  • and we get to have agency and choose,

  • and I think it's really,

  • I find it important for myself to go,

  • "Well, what am I called to?

  • What am I actually, do I have a choice in this?

  • - Right, right.

  • - If I'm like, "Oh my God, oh, no, I have to do this."

  • - [Zendaya] I have to do it.

  • - It's that there are two types of fear.

  • It's like one type of fear is that fear

  • that says, "Oh, don't go there,"

  • which means a bus is is coming.

  • And the other fear is the kind of fear that says,

  • "Oh no, I have to go there."

  • - Because...

  • - Because you're gonna get hit

  • by the right bus. - Bus.

  • Yeah, if that makes sense, right.

  • It's a good bus, yeah.

  • - It's like a spiritual bus,

  • but you think you're gonna get trounced by it,

  • but actually it's gonna enhance your life and expand you.

  • - And that's such a scary feeling.

  • - Yeah, like this character I play in this,

  • this guy, Jeb Pyre.

  • He's a Mormon detective, father, husband

  • in the '80s in Utah, like (stammers).

  • - There's some difference there.

  • - There's a gap.

  • There's a distance,

  • but that excites me as well.

  • And I'm like, "Well, so where does that

  • Mormon detective live-

  • - [Zendaya] Inside of-

  • - In me. - Right.

  • - And how can I live as him authentically,

  • and what parts of myself need healing?

  • She's in so much pain, Bishop,

  • and all the pain she's in,

  • what are we, what do I, what do I do?

  • - The average person would look at me

  • and say, "Well, what the hell do they

  • have in common with this character," right?

  • With Rue. - Sure.

  • But on that, don't you think that

  • empathic imagination is the job.

  • - Yes.

  • And so, it's funny,

  • so, like, on paper, right,

  • that's what someone would assume,

  • but it's interesting to me

  • because I've found, kind of like what you're saying,

  • but she's so much of an extension of myself.

  • - Yeah.

  • - I don't know, you know, a few things

  • different in our life,

  • or, you know, wired a different way, whatever it is,

  • and that's me, also.

  • - But for the grace of God go I.

  • That kind of like thing where it's like,

  • and that's the beauty of what we do as actors

  • is we can look at any human being in any room

  • and go-

  • - "There's part of me in that."

  • - "I could end up there, I can end up here, I could end up,"

  • and that's kind of the universal thing of what we-

  • - Empathy. - Yeah, exactly.

  • - Yeah, that idea that, you know,

  • we're all people trying to survive life and figure it out,

  • and we don't know what we're doing, you know?

  • And I think with Rue, which I appreciated so much about

  • when I first kind of went in to meet Sam

  • is he said to me that I was on this board,

  • this dream board that he had made for Rue,

  • and I was like, I just didn't think that that was true

  • because up until that point, I was like,

  • "I've never really done anything

  • to show that I could do what you're asking me to do."

  • - [Andrew] Oh, interesting.

  • - But he said, "I watched interviews and I just knew."

  • - Wow.

  • - And I felt like, you know, that, to me, A, it meant a lot

  • 'cause it meant somebody believed in me,

  • but also, I think he saw the pieces of me

  • that existed in Rue already,

  • and thus part of himself, too.

  • - Yeah.

  • - You know, there was, like, a connection

  • already creating and forming,

  • and when I met him, he was like, "Oh, that's her."

  • - [Andrew] Wow.

  • - And so I thought that that was quite fascinating,

  • and then as I've gotten to be Rue,

  • I feel like, with certain characters, right,

  • you have to search for 'em,

  • and, you know, it takes you a little bit longer to like,

  • for them to click in your body and you feel like,

  • "Oh, I'm in their skin now, right?

  • - Right, right.

  • - With her, I don't have to think about it as much.

  • She's a little thing that just kind of takes over,

  • and I know when Rue is here,

  • and it's funny 'cause we joke about it on set,

  • but, like, my face changes, right?

  • - It really does, yeah.

  • - And I can tell that I look, I'm her now,

  • and that's her expressions and her way of moving,

  • and it's weird 'cause it's, like,

  • it kind of creates its own thing.

  • I don't know, it's weird to say like,

  • "Oh, I have this love for this character,

  • but I do because I feel she represents

  • so many people that I've met along the way

  • that have shared their stories with me,

  • and I feel like I carry that with her.

  • Do you know what I mean? - I do, yeah.

  • - She's a collection of a whole lot of people.

  • - [Andrew] Sure.

  • - And a whole lot of experiences.

  • And every time someone, I think, shares with me,

  • that's when I gain more insight and understanding,

  • and I think having to play,

  • like you're saying, those specific things,

  • I think it's just that open conversation,

  • and I trust Sam enough to go, "I don't buy it."

  • - [Andrew] Right.

  • - I don't believe what you're doing.

  • And he'll tell me.

  • He'll come to me and be like,

  • "Mmm, why are you acting there,

  • I can see it happening," you know,

  • and remind me that I got it, he's like,

  • "You got it, you got it, you already got it.

  • You don't have to, you got it."

  • Ah, I'm just gonna steal some shit.

  • (upbeat jazz music)

  • - Tell me about the memes.

  • 'Cause, like, I noticed this.

  • No, but like every Sunday, though,

  • like "Euphoria" became like the meme of the thing.

  • - It was like, "Euphoria" Sundays,

  • it became like a sporting event.

  • It was interesting because I think it's hilarious.

  • I think so many people, I was like,

  • "Wow, you guys are so creative."

  • I also was a little concerned,

  • 'cause I was like, "Are you guys watching the episode?"

  • Because how are you typing

  • and staying on time with the episode

  • at the same time? - Pay attention.

  • - I don't know.

  • But, no, it was cool in the sense

  • that, like, there's a collective, right?

  • There's people coming together

  • and being able to, like, enjoy something together

  • and, like, talk about something together,

  • have discourse together, which is cool.

  • But, also, I got really nervous, too,

  • because we were still, like, in the middle of editing

  • while things were coming out,

  • so while episode five was coming out,

  • I was literally in the studio writing,

  • rewriting a version of "I'm Tired" with Lab to put in the-

  • - That song was so beautiful, by the way.

  • Thank you so much. - Oh my gosh.

  • - To put in the finale.

  • So we were, like, that's what we were doing

  • while that was happening.

  • So we're still editing, so we're still inside of it,

  • so it wasn't like a big separation.

  • - Oh, that's tricky.

  • It's like reading reviews

  • when you're doing a play or something.

  • - You're still doing it. - You're still making it.

  • You don't want it to influence,

  • you want it to remain pure.

  • - [Zendaya] Exactly.

  • - That song is so gorgeous.

  • - Thank you so much. - So beautiful.

  • - Lab is very, very talented, very special.

  • And also, like, I'm very protective over Rue,

  • and also, like I said,

  • because of all the people that she represents.

  • - Totally.

  • - And so I know that sometimes maybe the world

  • won't be as kind to her as I am,

  • and that's hard for me, you know?

  • So I'm like, "Just love her, though,

  • but just wait, just wait, like, you know,

  • just wait 'til we get to the episode

  • we're working on right now.

  • Like, just hold on to this."

  • - Oh, God, it's a mind, it's a mind fudge.

  • - So, again, balance, right?

  • - Yeah, balance. - With everything

  • So it was a lot of fun,

  • but it was also very, you know, nerve-racking.

  • Okay, so I'm gonna flip it back to you.

  • - Okay.

  • - Because I am very interested in your process, right,

  • because I, and I'm trying to, maybe my memory deceives me,

  • but I wanna say we were on set for "Spider-Man,"

  • I kept forgetting that you were English

  • because you spoke in your American accent the whole time.

  • And I was like, "Oh, shit, he is."

  • - Oh, sugar.

  • - Oh, oh, snap.

  • He is from, oh, dang.

  • - Oh, darn.

  • - Darn, darn it.

  • - [Andrew] Oh, fudge, fudge.

  • - Fudgesicles, you know?

  • - Okay, let's pick one target.

  • - Right.

  • - And we take them off the board one at a time.

  • - Now you got it.

  • Okay, Peter One, Peter Two. - Peter Two.

  • - Peter Three. - Peter Three.

  • - I don't know your connections to your characters

  • and how much you stay in them or step out of them,

  • but I'm sure there's a process from when you

  • see them on a paper, you know,

  • and you visualize,

  • and you start, again, like, do they,

  • how do you feel that they come into you?

  • Do you feel like you find them?

  • Do you feel like it's a mixture of both.

  • - I find it's different every time.

  • I feel like it's first day of school every single time.

  • Right, right, right.

  • - And I feel like I start from scratch,

  • and I feel like every single time,

  • I'm stepping, I'm jumping off the side of a cliff.

  • It never feels safe,

  • and if it feels safe, I'm a bit concerned.

  • And that, I think, is the bus analogy as well.

  • - Right, a little bit of fear is good.

  • - Oh, a lot of fear, like a lot of fear and doubt.

  • It's kind of become a friend.

  • It's had to become a friend. - Comforting.

  • - Yeah, strangely.

  • It's like, "Oh, here you are, come on, buddy,

  • we're still gonna go back into rehearsal,

  • even though we would rather throw ourselves in the river."

  • Like, we're still gonna carry on.

  • But, yeah. I mean, with an accent, for me,

  • it's like, I just don't wanna confuse my body,

  • and I don't wanna confuse someone else's system,

  • you know what I mean?

  • It's just simpler. - It's easier.

  • - It's easier and, like, the musculature

  • stays warm in that way.

  • I find it fun because it's kind of like a more technical,

  • I mean, like, the creative choices are the creative choices,

  • and I'm so indecisive as well.

  • Like, I, you know, I'm like redoing my kitchen right now,

  • and I'm like, "Oh my God, I love this tile,

  • but this tile." - But this tile.

  • - And it takes me like a year to figure out,

  • like, I don't, anyway,

  • so with the creative choices,

  • they take moments for me to figure out,

  • but then I love having something solid to hold onto

  • in a process that is so intangible,

  • like what we were talking about.

  • So, actually, an accent and a voice

  • and a physicality, some, like, hooks

  • and places where I can hang my hat that will ground me,

  • that can be kind of triggers to get back

  • into the character, actually. - Right, back into it, yeah.

  • When you feel like you're.

  • - Yeah, or, like, like a piece of costume,

  • or, like, a rhythm,

  • or if I'm doing, like, an animal study as a physicality,

  • Like, I'm looking for the forgotten aspects

  • of myself that I can activate.

  • And I need to get Morris to bring the print kit

  • and a video camera, I need you both

  • to record every single corner in that house.

  • What drew me into it was, I think,

  • the step-by-step, moment-by-moment process

  • of a kind of psychological breakdown.

  • Like, kind of a belief system crumbling.

  • I remember speaking to a guy in Utah

  • who went through the exact same thing.

  • It was a Mormon police officer

  • who had a really big crisis of faith

  • because of a case he was working on,

  • and was having to reckon with potentially losing his wife,

  • potentially losing his kids, losing his community,

  • being thrown out of the Mormon faith,

  • and suddenly this character became

  • like flesh and bones

  • and cells and dreams

  • and longings and a heart and ancestry.

  • Suddenly it was like, "Oh my God-

  • - It's tangible, I can feel it.

  • - Tangible.

  • And, again, a feeling of calling

  • and a responsibility to represent an experience.

  • To represent a type of person going through

  • a type of experience that feels really important.

  • 'Cause I think as long as we have the longing,

  • then some mystery happens where we find our way

  • into, like, forcing the skin of that person. around us,

  • or that skin emerges above our skin.

  • However we want to describe it.

  • You know what, if I were you,

  • I would rather find that kind of family dead

  • rather than safe and sound.

  • - The endurance that I think

  • you have to have with a character,

  • and emotionally when it comes to

  • a television show, as well, versus a film,

  • and I wanted to kind of ask you about,

  • A, your experiences with that,

  • and then I wanna tag onto that,

  • again, when you're dealing with, I think,

  • the subject matter of your show,

  • I mean, it's so heavy, right,

  • and painful and delicate, you know?

  • And it's not an easy thing to just say, you know,

  • yeah, today I'm walking onto a crime scene,

  • like, and I'm just, that's my day today,

  • and I'm gonna pretend like none of it affects me.

  • And then I have to do this for the next eight months

  • because this is not a movie where I can dip up out of it,

  • but I'm in this for, like, the long haul, right?

  • And how do you stay in that?

  • And how do you find working on, like,

  • a longer medium, I guess, in that way?

  • - It's hard, I found it really hard.

  • - Really hard, yeah, I could imagine.

  • - It was six months in Calgary.

  • - Mm, okay.

  • (Zendaya laughs)

  • - I mean. - Got it.

  • - And there was, like, beautiful mountains

  • and lakes and really good restaurants in the city.

  • There's a place called the Repsol Center,

  • which I went most days off,

  • which had a cold plunge and a steam room and a great gym.

  • Shout out to the Repsol Center.

  • Love you guys, miss you guys so much.

  • Repsol for life. - You guys were great.

  • - Repsol for life.

  • For real, though, Repsol for life.

  • - They helped get you through, clearly.

  • - They really did.

  • Yeah, Dustin Lance Black, who created the show

  • and adapted the John Krakauer non-fiction book

  • from, oh, God, for the last 10 years,

  • it's a real passion project for him.

  • He's an ex-Mormon himself, Dustin,

  • and he, you know, it's very, very personal for him,

  • and that helps, when you have someone at the helm

  • who, like Sam Levinson, like, that it's so personal,

  • it's such a passion project, it kind of like,

  • it trickles down to the rest of the ensemble

  • and the rest of the crew.

  • We had a great group of actors,

  • Daisy Edgar Jones and Wyatt Russell

  • and Sam Worthington and Denise Gough.

  • It's just amazing, amazing actors,

  • and I think they, we were all on location together,

  • and I think that's always fun,

  • when you have a bunch of actors

  • who are kind of taken out of their day to day,

  • and you're figuring out a new city together

  • and riding around on those Bird scooters

  • and, like, trying to find, like, the best ribs in Calgary

  • and not get COVID, it's like it becomes a game,

  • but it was, it's heavy.

  • It's like the universe and the world

  • that my character had to be dipped in

  • and stay in and explore and not flinch away from

  • in pursuit of truth, in pursuit of doing right

  • by this horrendous act of violence

  • that took a mother and a young child,

  • and, like, I think that is the thing

  • that kept this character connected.

  • That was the, the North Star

  • and the light at the end of the tunnel.

  • So, for me, it was like, "Well, I have no choice."

  • It's, again, it's one of those things, I have to go there,

  • I have to stay in it, I have to go there,

  • but he's actually struggling with the same thing

  • of, like, how do I keep this toxicity

  • away from my family. - Away from my family, yeah.

  • - Away from my kids, away from my own being,

  • away from my own soul, how do I stay clean?

  • How do I not lose myself in this dark, seedy underworld?

  • This kind of hellscape, 'cause it's a hellscape.

  • Like, he's dealing with evil.

  • And I think that is a remarkably powerful force

  • when you're just faced with kind of abstract

  • intangible evil that you're attempting

  • to wrangle and to snuff out.

  • It's like dealing with the Nazi regime

  • or something like that.

  • So it was painful, it was really, really painful and hard,

  • and I, the Repsol Center just cured all of it.

  • - Shout out again.

  • They get a lot of love.

  • I gotta go.

  • Recommended by.

  • - If you're shooting in Calgary, you gotta hit Repsol.

  • No, but, like, it was not fun a lot of the time.

  • My guess is that Sam's army,

  • they consider themselves totally devout,

  • willing to give up their lives for their beliefs,

  • and their own son's included in their sacrifices.

  • - Sometimes I'm like, ah, like I'm, I'm an actor,

  • and I look at myself, I'm like, "What a ridiculous job."

  • I'm like, "I have the coolest job, I love my job so much,"

  • but sometimes you're just like,

  • "I mean, I dress up for a living," you know,

  • and I'm like, "I don't wanna take myself too serious,"

  • 'cause I feel like there's people who do

  • far more important things than I do.

  • - My brother's a lung doctor for crying out loud.

  • - Exactly, right. - Come on, bro.

  • - I can pretend to be one, but I can't actually, you know.

  • So within that is, you know, finding purpose in what you do,

  • and why do I love this so much?

  • And I think that what I found

  • is what you're talking about in that sense of like,

  • is this understanding of, like, a collective empathy,

  • and an understanding of someone else's life and experience,

  • and as corny as it is,

  • but walking mile on their shoes,

  • like, that whole thing is so deeply important.

  • It's also important to feel seen in that way

  • because what I've found through "Euphoria"

  • is it gave people the tools to communicate feelings

  • that they didn't have the ability to express or say,

  • and say, "Hey, I don't know how to tell you,

  • but this is how I'm feeling."

  • Or, "This is what I'm going through.

  • Can you watch this with me?"

  • Or, "Let's watch this together."

  • - Beautiful.

  • - Like we talked about "Spider-Man,"

  • but the amount of joy that that brought people

  • is, like, so cool. - Oh, yeah.

  • - Like, to see you guys have

  • that moment together was special,

  • but then, also, it made people happy.

  • I think that's really cool.

  • - And also, like, about brotherhood.

  • And I love the idea that maybe Tom's Peter

  • would've suffered the same fate as Andrew's Peter

  • if Andrew hadn't have somehow come into that universe

  • and learned from the mistakes of the past

  • and made sure that my younger brother

  • and his love didn't have the same fate.

  • That's kind of cosmically-

  • - It's so cool.

  • - It's awesome. - It's so cool.

  • I mean, I remember when I read that, I was like.

  • - [Andrew] Yeah, it's really-

  • - It made me very happy.

  • - And that was fun, I loved shooting that with you so much.

  • - Wasn't that, like, our first thing, too?

  • - I think it was, like, yeah, absolutely.

  • - Like, "Hi, I met you yesterday, thanks for catching me.

  • How are you? You good?

  • Okay, you have to cry, sorry."

  • - It was pretty intense.

  • It went like that (snaps),

  • and then suddenly we were kind of done,

  • and it was like this huge moment

  • that we just did like a few takes of.

  • - But I guess it was good to get

  • the more emotional stuff out of the way,

  • 'cause the rest of the time was just-

  • - Just giddy, joyful

  • - We were just having a good old time.

  • - Being so dumb.

  • - Yeah.

  • - I don't wanna brag, but I will.

  • I was in "The Avengers."

  • - "The Avengers?"

  • - Yeah. - That's great.

  • - Thank you. - What is that?

  • - What was really funny, I think,

  • about it is, like, Tom was so nervous

  • about you guys coming in.

  • - That's so wild. - So nervous.

  • - He never let anything onto us.

  • Pull those pants down, come on.

  • Get those calves under, get under-

  • - Under control. - Under wraps, yeah.

  • - Crazy forearms.

  • Inside jokes.

  • - What was that from?

  • I forget what that was from.

  • - It was a Toby one,

  • and he's like, "These crazy,"

  • 'cause he was trying to pull up the (laughs)

  • - Crazy forearms. - Forearms.

  • So it reminded me of this.

  • Anyway.

  • Good joke bank you got there in that noggin of yours.

  • - They stay with us, we used them a lot.

  • - [Andrew] Damn, that's really good.

  • - Yeah, we use them a lot.

  • But he was so nervous,

  • and 'cause, like, you know,

  • he was like, "I don't wanna step on anyone's toes,

  • and I don't want anybody to feel-"

  • - We were like that, me and Toby were like that.

  • We were like, "We don't wanna step on Tom's,

  • like this is Tom's movie, it's your guys' movie,"

  • and it was like, "If we can help, again,

  • just to serve and be of,"

  • but it's so funny 'cause he never let, he just seemed so,

  • but that's so sweet that

  • you guys were there. - That's why we were there.

  • 'Cause he was like, "Can you guys come with me?"

  • - Cause you guys were like, "I guess we're gonna come

  • and hang out with you guys at rehearsal."

  • I'm like, "What are these guys doing?"

  • - Yeah, 'cause at rehearsal,

  • we didn't really have very many lines.

  • We were just, like, we were there for emotional support.

  • - Sweet, very sweet.

  • - But with that being said, I think, you know,

  • we were like, "I think they don't know

  • how much, like, fun we like to have

  • when we're doing this job.

  • Like, this is, like, we have fun.

  • And it was nice that you guys just, like-

  • - It became very evident

  • very quickly. - Fell right into to the crew.

  • It was, like, it was such a fun experience.

  • I was, like, pissing myself laughing,

  • but I was, I was dying.

  • You guys had me dying, like crying laughing

  • in between takes all the time.

  • - [Andrew] That is so silly.

  • - How cool is that?

  • - It's the best, we are very lucky.

  • And then my brother's saving lives in London.

  • - Right, here we are.

  • - My brother's treating COVID patients as we speak,

  • and we're wearing, I'm wearing a lovely jacket

  • talking about "Spider-Man." - Exactly.

  • - No, but then he goes home

  • and he watches "Spider-Man" with his boys,

  • do you know what I mean? - Yeah.

  • - It's that, it's, like, it's,

  • I don't know, I'm just trying to justify my existence now.

  • - Right, now I'm feeling bad about my life.

  • I have some things to ask you.

  • - What's that?

  • - I'm like, "We love talking,

  • and I'm like, "Shit, I have to ask him something

  • that I do really want the answer to.

  • - Next week on Zendaya and Andrew

  • at the Repsol Center, we will be, what will we-

  • - We'll have visitors from the Repsol Center.

  • - Yeah, we'll have testimonials.

  • - Live testimonies. - Right.

  • (upbeat funky music)

- We were on set for "Spider-Man."

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