Without being seen by the cameras.

而且不能被攝像頭拍到。

Oh, yeah. Sorry, I forgot to mention that.

哦，是的，對不起，我忘了說。

Yeah, we'll say we do all that.

對，假設我們做了這一切。

We're just supposed to walk out of there with $150 million in cash on us without getting stopped?

我們可以帶著 1.5 億美元現金走出那裡而不會被攔住嗎？

Yeah.

是啊。

Sounds crazy, right?

聽起來很瘋狂吧？

They managed to pull it off in the movie, of course.

他們成功辦到了，當然是在電影中。

I mean, it's rare we hear about such crazy heist in the real world.

我是說，這很罕見我們聽到如此瘋狂的 在現實世界中是最高的。

Well, now isn't one of those times, and it involves big money, mondo money.

現在不是這種情況，它涉及大筆資金，大量資金。

I'm talking $30 million in cash money stolen on Easter Sunday.

我說的是復活節週日被盜的 3000 萬美元現金。

It happened in northern Los Angeles at a money storage facility.

事情發生在洛杉磯北部的一個貨幣儲存設施。

What's that?

那是什麼？

Cash from businesses across the region?

來自該地區企業的現金？

Well, they're held there.

放在那邊。

Sources telling CNN the burglars broke through the roof, bypassed the alarms, entered the vault by cutting through the ceiling and then exited the building by breaking through a rear wall.

有消息人士告訴 CNN，竊賊衝破屋頂，繞過警報，穿過天花板進入金庫，然後突破後牆離開大樓。

It's one of the largest cash heists in the city's history.

這是該市歷史上最大的現金搶劫案之一。

I know, I know. You've probably got 30 million questions. So do I.

我知道，我知道。你可能有很多疑問。 我也是。

So, for starters, you ever see what $30 million in cash looks like in person?

首先，你見過 3000 萬美元的現金本人嗎？

Me either.

我也沒有。

But here's a taste.

不過，給大家一個概念，

This is $30 million stacked in $100 bills.

這是加起來 3000 萬美元的 100 美元的鈔票。

Now, we heard the estimations of the stolen cash, but in $100 bills, that would be about 661 pounds.

現在，我們聽到了被盜現金的估計，但以 100 美元計算，大約 661 磅重（約299公斤）。

If it were in $50 bills, more than 1300 pounds.

如果是 50 美元的鈔票，超過 1300 磅重（約589公斤）。

$20 bills, 3300 pounds.

如果是 20 美元的鈔票，超過 3300 磅重（約1496公斤）。

And in case the burglars really ran into a challenge, $1 bills would have been 66,000 pounds.

如果竊賊真的遇到麻煩，1 美元的鈔票將達到 66,000 磅重（約29937公斤）。

So about all those questions, who better to help than the person who first broke this story along with the former bank robber?

那麼，對於所有這些問題，還有誰比第一個與前銀行搶匪一起揭露這個故事的人更能提供幫助呢？

Well, joining me now, Richard Winton, a reporter for the Los Angeles Times, and Joe Lawyer, who robbed more than 30 banks in the late '80s and served prison time for doing so.

現在加入我的行列的有《洛杉磯時報》記者 Richard Win ton和 Joe Lawyer，他在 1980 年代末搶劫了30 多家銀行，並因此入獄。

He's the co-host of the podcast "The Score Bank Robber Diaries," author of "The Man Who Outgrew His Prison Cell."

他是播客「銀行強盜日記」的共同主持人，也是《監獄裡的人長大了》的作者。

Gentlemen, thank you for both joining me this evening.

先生們，感謝你們今晚加入我的行列。

Everyone is talking about this story and trying to figure out how, why and of course, who.

每個人都在談論這個故事，並試圖弄清楚如何、為什麼，當然還有誰。

Richard, what are your sources telling you about how this heist was even carried out?

Richard，你的消息來源告訴你這次搶劫是如何進行的？

It was carried out very quietly on a holiday, which is not unusual when it comes to big heists.

這起案件是在假日悄悄進行的，這對大型搶劫案來說並不罕見。

They choose the place and time when there's the least opposition.

他們選擇較少人反抗的地點和時間。

And this was clearly designed to be stealthy.

這顯然是為了隱密而計畫的。

They were unlike that movie.

他們的情況不像那部電影。

There wasn't going to be any guards.

不會有任何警衛。

They just had to evade all the security systems, make an access.

他們只需躲避所有的安全系統就可以進入。

And yes, they had to remove out of cash, which certainly is like a small elephant.

是的，他們必須取出現金，重量肯定就像一頭小象。

I mean, Joe, you're the one with the experience here, to say the least.

我的意思是，Joe，至少可以說，你是這裡最有經驗的人。

I'm wondering for your perspective, when I describe what is entailed seemingly how much planning would go into something like this?

我想知道你的觀點，當我說這似乎需要多少計劃來處理這樣的事情？

Well, the crime is dictated by the inside of the place.

嗯，犯罪是由這個地方的內部決定的。

So if the place says you have to be here to avoid these to, you know, to avoid these cameras, and then maybe you have to push this code here and wait for this to happen.

如果這個地方說你必須在這裡以避免這些，你知道，以避免這些攝像頭，然後也許你必須按這個代碼，等待這個發生。

How you have to maneuver through there is your plan.

你必須如何通過那裡是你的計劃。

And I believe it's an inside plan.

我相信這是一個內部計劃。

So I believe that everybody who was involved in robbery already understood that.

所以我相信所有參與搶劫的人都已經明白這一點。

They understood what they had to do, where they had to be, what cameras to avoid.

他們明白自己該做什麼、他們必須去的地方、 應避免使用哪些相機

So I don't think that's the challenging part -- planning the actual robbery.

所以我認為這並不是具有挑戰性的部分——策劃實際的搶劫。

It's all the other things that go into it is the disguises.

所有其他的東西都是偽裝的。

It's the weapons, it's the getaway stuff.

是武器，是逃跑用的東西。

And I believe that there's been another robbery in 1997 where some guys robbed another money storage facility and they are very, very clever [with] the way they did it, the way they got away with it, the way they waited.

我相信 1997 年發生了另一起搶劫案，有些人搶劫了另一個貨幣儲存設施，他們的做法非常非常聰明，他們逃脫的方式，他們等待的方式。

But they were also dumb.

但他們也很愚蠢。

And that's the thing about bank robbers.

這就是銀行劫匪的特點。

We are very brazen, impulsive, and we can do things that... like I rob 30 banks.

我們非常厚臉皮、衝動，我們可以……例如我搶劫了 30 家銀行。

It was a very successful like short, brief bank robbery career.

這是一次非常成功的短暫的銀行搶劫生涯。

But I was impulsive and I was dumb and I just pushed too far.

但我很衝動，我很愚蠢，我做得太超過了。

And I feel like that's what's going to happen here.

我覺得這些事情會發生在這些人身上。

These people are going to get caught because even though they're very sophisticated here, they're going to fall. They're going to stumble.

這些人將會被抓住，因為即使他們在這裡非常老練，但他們會失敗。

And eventually, they'll get caught and we'll find exactly what kind of inside job it was.

最終，他們會被抓住，我們會確切地找出這是哪種內鬼。

Well, Richard, let me have you weigh in here, because everyone is wondering about the FBI investigation.

Richard，我想請你來評價一下，因為大家都想知道關於聯邦調查局的調查。

What do you know?

你知道些什麼？

Well, what we know at this stage is the FBI is asking people in the immediate area for a video of this that personal security systems, like there's a mobile home park, there's a church, there's a number of other businesses.

嗯，我們現階段知道的是，聯邦調查局正在要求附近地區的人們提供有關個人安全系統的影片，例如有一個移動房屋公園，有一座教堂，還有許多其他企業。

They've been going around trying to collect every piece of video from that period of time to see if there's anything on it.

他們一直在努力收集那時段的每一段影片，看看有沒有拍到任何東西。

In addition, there's also reports of a grinding sound, which suggests that there was a time there's a time they're talking about when they think it occurred.

此外，還有報導稱有磨擦聲，這表示他們認為曾經有過這樣的事情發生過。

And they've been asking residents about that.

他們一直在問居民這件事。

So we think that they're trying to pinpoint a time.

我們認為他們試圖確定時間。

And that may mean they're also looking to see whether were cell phones used in the area.

這可能意味著他們也在調查該地區是否有人使用手機。

They do a lot geofencing and other techniques to try and work out who's who was actually in an area who may watch this area in the past.

他們使用大量地理圍欄和其他技術來嘗試找出誰實際上在某個區域並且過去可能觀看該區域。

Let me ask you, Joe, someone to walk around with $30 million or maybe they're not walking around.

讓我問你，Joe，有人拿著 3000 萬美元四處走動，或者也許他們不會四處走動。

I mean, how do they avoid detection? Do they lay low or do they try to spend it at means cash?

我的意思是，他們如何避免被發現？ 他們是低調行事還是試圖花掉現金？

What's next?

下一步是什麼？

Okay.

好的。

So if they're shrewd, they're not going to do anything with it for a long time.

所以，如果他們是精明的，他們有很長一段時間不會做任何事情。

By that, I mean 6 months or a year because they want to-- they know conceivably they're going to be followed or they could be tracked.

我的意思是 6 個月或一年，因為他們想要——他們知道他們可能會被跟踪。

Like your other guest said there's phones are going to be tracked.

就像你的其他嘉賓所說，電話將被追蹤。

There's cars that are going to be noticed from video surveillance.

有些汽車會被監視器中被注意到。

So they might be followed.

所以他們可能會被跟蹤。

They have to understand that's going to be so they don't want to have an Uber job or delivery job or a car repair.

他們必須明白，這樣他們就不想從事優步工作、送貨工作或汽車維修工作。

They're going to keep that job.

他們會保住這份工作。

They're not going to move at all.

他們根本不會動。

And I think that...

我認為...

I want to say something about the cars and and the phones, which is in prison,

我想說一些關於監獄裡的汽車和電話的事情，

when you're in prison, one of the things about being a prisoner, a criminal as you see and hear who gets arrested and you see and hear how they got arrested.

當你在監獄裡時，身為囚犯、罪犯，你會看到和聽到誰被逮捕，你會看到和聽到他們是如何被逮捕的。

And so nowadays, I know that people are criminals, ex-friends of mine who have come out.

所以現在，我知道有人是罪犯，我的前朋友已經出獄了。

One thing we understand is phones get pinned.

我們了解的一件事是電話會被定位。

And so if you want to be doing a heist, it can't be your phone.

因此，如果你想實施搶劫，就不可能用你的手機。

Secondly, ever since Timothy McVeigh got caught because they tracked the car, his truck leaving the crime scene and they used surveillance footage from ATMs inside the building.

其次，自從蒂莫西·麥克維被捕以來，他們跟踪了這輛車，他的卡車離開了犯罪現場，並且他們使用了大樓內 ATM 機的監視器畫面。

If you want to get away, you need to not use your own car.

如果你想逃走，就不能使用自己的汽車。

Wow. I mean, I don't know if I ever use these tips, Joe Lawyer, but I'm glad to hear about this investigation.

哇。 我不知道我是否會使用這些技巧，Joe Lawyer，但我很高興聽到這項調查。

Richard Winton, thank you for your reporting as well. Thank you both.

Richard Winton，也感謝你的報導。 謝謝你們倆。