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  • I did not want to be doing thisIt's September.

  • I'm busy.

  • And I was more than happy to have either a pretty good or mediocre super edition that

  • didn't need a video to be made on it, at least not right away.

  • But Riverstar's Home and my thoughts about it have finally made me realize some things

  • that have been happening with the series for a while, and this video has become unavoidable.

  • Just know that because I had to squeeze this in and couldn't spend much time on it, there

  • won't be as much editing as there usually is.

  • So Riverstar's Home, the newest super edition, came out last Tuesday, September 5th and…I

  • did not like it.

  • I can remember back when the poll came out asking us to choose between Mistystar, Ivypool,

  • and Riverstar, I said: [All of the super editions could be bad, Riverstar's

  • has the best chance of being good.]

  • And I stand by that statement because Riverstar's story functionally could not be told without

  • adding in new material instead of solely retreading old ground, which was and is the Erin team's

  • current favorite approach.

  • And as I suspected, this book *did* have to add in new material, running out of any Dawn

  • of the Clans stuff to cover about halfway through the book.

  • Yet it still turned out to be a disappointment and this is forwell, other reasons.

  • Let me dispel any ideas immediately that this was a doomed book, or that it was impossible

  • for it to succeed based on its premise alone.

  • The two arguments I have heard most often in this camp is that the present-day stories

  • and characters from A Vision of Shadows, The Broken Code, and A Starless clan will always

  • have more focus and care than the Dawn of the Clans time period and that Riverstar or

  • River Ripple himself offers no character, nothing to stand out, and no story to tell.

  • Both of these are, in my mind, simply not true.

  • To give you an idea, I'm going to take a look at every piece of supplemental material,

  • so super editions, mangas, and novellas, that has been written since Victoria Holmes left

  • and the new team took over.

  • Here we have the books that featured a Dawn of the Clans setting.

  • Here's the ones that featured an A Vision of Shadows or The Broken Code setting, two

  • arcs instead of one so it makes sense there's more.

  • And here are the ones that focused on arc 1 and 2 settings, things the new team did

  • not even write or conceive of.

  • It gets even worse when you look at the focus characters.

  • Here are the four books that had Dawn of the Clans cats as protagonists.

  • Here are the four books that had A Vision of Shadows or The Broken Code cats as protagonists.

  • And here are the *14* books that had arc 1 or 2 cats as the protagonists.

  • Notably, no arc 3 or 4 cats or settings have even been touched by them, and nothing in

  • the pre-arc-1 super editions period either in the way that Vicky wrote novellas about

  • Pinestar, Dovewing, or Mapleshade.

  • The new team seems to have two clear priorities when choosing cats and settings to focus on:

  • settings and cats they have personally created or written for, and the arc 1-2 cast that

  • always has been and always will be the money makers.

  • Ivypool is an arc 4 cat that they did not write and that is not enough of a popular

  • character to the hoards of elementary schoolers just reading arc 1 to be instantly worth it.

  • Mistystar was a character who would be prominent in their new arc for one moment but who wasn't

  • notable or popular as a character in any arc.

  • Riverstar, meanwhile is a character they wrote for in a setting and time period they created,

  • which is one of the things that *can* actually spark their interest based on what we've

  • seen them make.

  • He was also a character with a distinctive and unique personality, which I'll get into

  • later.

  • On a plot level, he was supposed to become Riverclan's leader, form and set expectations

  • for a group, and maybe even come up with the idea of or flesh out the idea of the mentor

  • system as a whole.

  • There was plenty to tell about him, if they wanted to, and it was all information accessible

  • to them since they were the ones who made his character in the first place.

  • I'd also just like to nip in the bud any ideas that only a Dawn of the Clans story

  • could fail in the way this book has becauseno.

  • This book's biggest failings are in pacing and characterization which not only could

  • happen in other periods with other cats but already has, several times, recently.

  • It was entirely possible that this book could end up being great.

  • But it wasn't.

  • Let's talk about how, and maybe why.

  • First of all, I'd like to give a very brief summary for those of you watching this video

  • instead of reading the book itself.

  • Essentially, Ripple was a Cat of the Park, living with a semi-large group of other cats

  • as they mentored each other, relaxed, and took food either from twolegs or hunting,

  • whichever they preferred in the moment.

  • Ripple's mentor was named Arc and we already knew this because of a bonus scene, two chapters

  • long, about this time period from Ripple's point of view at the end of Thunder Rising,

  • the second book of Dawn of the Clans.

  • What we didn't know is that Ripple also had a beloved among these cats: his mentor's

  • sister Flutter who gets precisely one line of dialogue here in a dream made up by Ripple's

  • subconscious.

  • We'll get back to that one.

  • Ripple's home was being invaded and he had to run away, ending up separated from everyone

  • and floating down the river, with great difficulty and threat of death, until he met Night and

  • Mist, loners who lived by an island in a forest area.

  • There Ripple, now River Ripple, stayed, bouncing between trying to live with them, or twolegs,

  • or by himself, until he eventually decided he wanted to make a group there.

  • He took in several stray loners and kittypets but none of the wild and aggressive new mountain

  • cats who were arriving in the land next to theirs because they seemed obsessed with marking

  • specific borders, fighting with each other, and ignoring the peace River Ripple knew was

  • possible and wanted to create.

  • Through a lot of timeskips and observations, we spend roughly 17 chapters running through

  • the Dawn of the Clans story from the perspective of a cat not involved in it as he gets increasingly

  • frustrated with their worldview but forms his own clan of sorts and then joins them

  • officially when some of their ancestors order him to.

  • After Gray Wing is dead and Riverstar is made a leader with nine lives, we skip to a period

  • where Arc appears, heavily wounded and unconscious for two days because Clear Sky attacked him

  • for crossing his border, and eventually he explains that the Cats of the Park have been

  • invaded and taken over by Slash and his cronies, the perfunctory final villain from Dawn of

  • the Clans.

  • After a lot of hesitation about leaving his clan behind, Riverstar decides to join Arc

  • in returning to his old home to drive out the band of loners and Drizzle, a young she-cat,

  • ends up secretly coming along too.

  • Riverstarwastestwo lives on the way while saving people and fighting Slash recklessly

  • but coming back from the dead lets him intimidate the rogues enough to scare them away and also

  • Slash falls off a cliff and dies.

  • One of the new Cats of the Park, Finch, becomes Riverstar's mate suddenly and follows him

  • and Drizzle home despite being pregnant and making it clear several times that she did

  • not like his home and was very attached to her own.

  • The three of them get back to Riverclan after almost two moons when Night, Riverstar's

  • deputy, was about to declare him dead and get her own nine lives.

  • There, they discover that Clear Sky, well-Skystar had been invading their territory because

  • a tree fell across the river and he said it was a sign from Starclan that Riverclan wasn't

  • a real clan without a leader and Skyclan was allowed to take their territory.

  • Riverstar still prefers pacifism but will fight for his clan now and drives Skyclan

  • away, pushing the tree into the river to throw away any claim Skystar had to their territory.

  • The end.

  • You might already be seeing some flaws in this story from the summary alone, or my tone

  • around it, but for organization's sake I am going to divide my problems into a few

  • categories that come up again and again, not just in this book but in Warriors as a whole.

  • Firstly, as has been *especially* common in the recent super editions, Riverstar's Home

  • has a major problem with pacing.

  • The story starts exactly when the bonus scene we already had did, skimming over even most

  • of that to get us to the point where he is fleeing and being drowned in the river.

  • The Cats of the Park are essentially just names on a page.

  • We don't get to know any of them aside from later meeting Arc and we don't get to know

  • their unique culture, values, or beliefs in the way River Ripple knows them, which creates

  • some extra problems down the line.

  • Through the entire first half of the book, the usual makeup of a chapter is having a

  • third-person description of stuff that happened in a random timeskip, having a single scene

  • in the present, and then timeskipping some more to avoid almost all character introductions

  • and key events.

  • Up until chapter 19 they really are just recapping Dawn of the Clans and even in that period

  • they skip large and important swaths of that time to avoid saying what River Ripple was

  • actually doing during it, other than moments where he already appeared in the arc.

  • To give some examples, River Ripple apparently spent several early moons in the forest being

  • a kittypet since he didn't like being alone and we only learn about this because Night

  • chastises him for it and he thinks back and narrates on how that's a thing he did after

  • the fact.

  • River Ripple isn't comfortable in the water or fishing for a long timeuntil the end

  • of Dawn of the Clans when we timeskip to a period where he is because he has become Riverstar

  • and he'd better be good at it by now, right?

  • Too bad we never see him practicing.

  • Almost every member of Riverclan aside from the original Night, Mist, and River Ripple

  • is introduced in a flash montage done through retroactive narration at the end of a single

  • chapter.

  • River Ripple is effectively a loner with a social group and then boom, suddenly he has

  • a clan.

  • Dappled Pelt, who becomes Riverclan's first medicine cat, comes to Riverclan for one scene

  • to treat a wound.

  • She stays for two days but we timeskip over that period and she says she had a lovely

  • time and River Ripple really liked her.

  • At this point she also mentions lovingthe meditationthey did which they did not

  • ever mention or show before this point.

  • Actually, River Ripple mentions it to Tall Shadow later as well and it comes up a few

  • more times before anyone explains what the meditation is or shows it on the page.

  • It takes until Chapter 26 before we actually see what a meditation is or is like, once

  • we're in the modern Cats of the Park.

  • As a personal pet peeve, they time skipped over the entire period wherethe group

  • of leadersdecided on a mentoring program for the clans.

  • Secrets of the Clans said Riverstar invented the mentoring program and even later in this

  • book, they make a big deal about Arc being Riverstar's mentor and that being an important

  • relationship for both of themgosh I wish they had used this.

  • Anyway, in Chapter 18 Clear Sky and Thunder show up to tell Riverstar second-hand that

  • Gray Wing died and told them they would be clans now and Riverstar's group was called

  • Riverclan and he just accepted all of that.

  • They then skip to the Moonstone where they use a single paragraph to say that Moth Flight,

  • Windstar's flighty daughter, was distracted and considered a not-good warrior until she

  • started the medicine cats and helped Windstar get nine lives and gave her kits away and

  • Riverstar now has one of them and is also at the Moonstone with Dappled Pelt, his new

  • medicine cat, to get his own nine lives.

  • All of this is, unsurprisingly, really jarring and makes it difficult to get attached to

  • any of the cats or stories flying by for most of the book.

  • Honestly though, even though this is the most obtrusive issue in the book, there is one

  • that is even more consistent and more off-putting to me personally: the characterization of

  • Riverstar himself.

  • In the previous material, Riverstar was always calm, confident, disinterested in the petty

  • affairs of the other clans and always willing to just say what needed to be said and do

  • what needed to be done when the time was right, never letting his emotions or others' get

  • caught up.

  • He was a loner but still mingled with cats around his land a lot and, thanks to growing

  • up in the Cats of the Park, knew about and valued mentorship before the clans thought

  • of it, and was overall compassionate but detached with no particular interest in growing closer.

  • The cat at the center of this book isnot like this at all.

  • He does have a character but it is entirely different from anything one could recognize

  • as Riverstar.

  • In his super edition, Riverstar is an anxious soft boy and an extremely pacifistic extrovert

  • who cannot stand being alone and also doesn't understand hurting cats at all, or placing

  • down boundaries.

  • This pacifism also seems less due to any specific aversion to pain and more to naivety that

  • leads him to believe no cat could want for more than they have and that it's possible

  • to get through every confrontation without a fight.

  • That said, this particular belief is the one that slowly fades over the book as part of

  • hischaracter arcof learning to fight when necessary.

  • When he's left to his own devices he prefers to find someone, be it a cat or a twoleg,

  • to join up with and he has an extremely hard time making any decisions on his own, even

  • as a leader.

  • He's also very young and inexperienced, being completely insecure in the water and

  • not knowing how to fish, let alone well, for several months and even when he is Riverclan's

  • leader he had to be reminded about how to cross a river properly and that the river

  • can be dangerous.

  • He ignores this and drowns, losing one of his lives by the way.

  • The end of the book actually portrays him as a bit reckless and impulsive too, despite

  • still also being excessively hesitant about most decisions, losing two lives in the space

  • of a week and jumping into a relationship after a single day.

  • Oh yeah, River Ripple is also a romantic.

  • Delightful.

  • You might ask then, if this is how he is portrayed, and about half of the book was dedicated to

  • running through Dawn of the Clans, how did they explain River Ripple's actions in that

  • arc, or integrate his clear personality and values there with what they are writing here?

  • Well, it's a little thing that the Erin team has actually used a lot in their supplemental

  • material lately called lying.

  • Or rather, having the character lie.

  • Also just being sloppy and not caring about the dissonance works wonders.

  • When River Ripple gives some wise advice, especially at the beginning to cats like Night,

  • it appears to come from nowhere, having no build up in River Ripple's own mind like

  • most of his thoughts do.

  • In fact River Ripple is often utterly surprised at the words that came from his mouth because

  • it doesn't sound like who he-who super edition he, is.

  • In sections of the book copy-pasted directly from Dawn of the Clans, River Ripple speaks

  • the words confidently and then internally monologues about how he's actually not confident

  • and has to force this for no reason or how he doesn't know what he's talking about.

  • When it comes to things like why he stays out of the Dawn of the Clans plot, the answer

  • for Dawn of the Clans River Ripple would have been that he wasn't involved and he decided

  • to show up when they needed him.

  • He was distant, mysterious, calm, and wouldn't really let himself or his motives become knowable.

  • The answer for super edition River Ripple is that either Night or Gray Wing or Arc or

  • Starclan Cat #6 told him what to do and he did exactly what they told him.

  • Starclan tells him to stay out of the First Battle in the climax of the third book.

  • They tell him to go in afterwards and help the mountain cats.

  • They tell him that he will be their special link to bring peace to the clans.

  • Woohoo.

  • Sometimes he even feels undefined spiritual pulls to specific moments where he's needed

  • (because we saw him there saying those words in Dawn of the Clans) but that's really

  • the only time we get a sense of his spirituality that was supposed to be a unique part of him

  • even according to this super edition because of his culture as a Cat of the Park.

  • Regardless of the reason, every time they need to have him do something he already did

  • in Dawn of the Clans they just pull him out of his super edition character and then have

  • him internally monologue about how he isn't like what he's saying or doesn't understand

  • what he's doing.

  • This method, while technically compliant with previous canon, is extremely frustrating and

  • still counts as a retcon for inserting a lot of information about Riverstar and his character

  • that was the perfect opposite of what we were led to believe in the material he previously

  • appeared in.

  • Meanwhile when he is acting in-character for the super edition version, he does things

  • like waste several days mulling and worrying over and whether or not to help his old mentor

  • Arc get rid of Slash at the Park because it could mean leaving his clan for a little bit.

  • There is no harm in going and everyone should understand why this would just be a good thing

  • to do, even putting aside how important it is for Riverstar specifically.

  • But he's an anxious little boy who can't decide things on his own anymore I guess.

  • Late in the book they even have Arc point out how Riverstar doesn't do anything by

  • himself and waits for the river (or Starclan, or Night) to tell him what to do, at which

  • point he will do anything even if it's something he doesn't want.

  • They do nothing about this.

  • It's just the one-off line.

  • The one new moment that does seem in-character for the River Ripple we knew before this book

  • is when he stands up to Slash after coming back from the dead.

  • He overstates his powers and lets the potential and mystique of them drive Slash's group

  • to fear him and run away, a rather River-Ripple thing to do.

  • But here he says it while monologuing about how anxious he is in his head and only did

  • it in the first place because Gray Wing told him to from Starclan.

  • Personally, if I were tasked with writing this scene, I think I'd make it sound a

  • little more like this:

  • [Slash:] What?

  • How- We already beat you.

  • You died!

  • [Riverstar:] I had other things to get back to.

  • Couldn't very well leave when I've got cats to protect here.

  • [Slash:] How could you possibly-!?

  • [Riverstar:] There's a lot I can do that seems to allude most cats.

  • I don't fear water, or twolegs, even mountain cats.

  • I've made each of them mine, and they all bend to me in the end.

  • I am who I am: limitless, adaptable, and the strongest force you'd ever have to face.

  • Personally, if I was in your paws, I might think about leaving us alone.

  • [Slash:] Eek!

  • You know what?

  • I've spent enough time talking about River Ripple.

  • Let's at least cover some of the other characters.

  • You know who does act like this, like Dawn of the Clans Riverstar?

  • It's Arc.

  • And Riverstar now looks up to him for being so confident and mysterious and wise and spiritual

  • like he could never be

  • Ahahaha let's try someone else!

  • Gray Wing is really prominent in this book as the primary representative of the mountain

  • cats and River Ripple's main contact in Starclan.

  • He acts like Gray Wing at least but he's primarily here as a device to tell River Ripple

  • what to do like many cats are so not really enough to save the book on its own.

  • How about his brother, then?

  • Oh he's worse?

  • Delightful.

  • So Clear Sky never lets up on his aggression, wounds Arc to the point of being knocked out

  • for two days just for passing through his territory, and later tries to take over Riverclan

  • because Riverstar was away and a tree fell over the river.

  • Clear Sky being a flat-out evil villain guy is really hammered in even in the aftermath

  • of Dawn of the Clans.

  • That said, after so much material showing him not being redeemed that might even be

  • an accurate choice.

  • How about the she-cats, then?

  • Well uhhhhhh the first one we're made aware of is Flutter, a perfunctory throw-in mate

  • that Riverstar just brings up every couple chapters to think fondly of despite not us

  • actually being shown any of their relationship on the page.

  • She has no discernable personality even in River Ripple's musings about her and she

  • only even comes up to give Riverstar a life and say that he will be able to move on and

  • have a new mate and kits.

  • Yay.

  • I know I have a bias because River Ripple was one of the few Dawn of the Clans toms

  • to never show interest in a she-cat but what does Flutter's relationship add to this

  • book at all?

  • Why does the connection he reminiscences on infrequently even have to be a romantic one

  • to be compelling?

  • Why didn't they even show us their relationship if they were so intent on using it as a motivation?

  • With that said, Night, River Ripple's deputy, is characterized much better.

  • She joined Riverclan because Riverstar was her best friend, pointed out explicitly that

  • it wasn't “like *that* you flea-brain" and generally acts as a great balancing force

  • for our protagonist through the book.

  • It's a nice change of pace.

  • We still skipped over most of their bonding because of the wacky pacing but hey.

  • One quote I really loved from her was what she said when Riverstar made her deputy, that

  • "a dreamer like you needs a practical cat beside them," a quote we only learn retroactively

  • because we did not see the scene where she was named deputy.

  • Oh and Gray Wing actually told Riverstar point-blank during his nine lives ceremony to make Night

  • his deputy so even this can't be a moment of agency for the guy but Night was also the

  • only noteworthy cat in his camp and the one who taught him everything he knows so it makes

  • sense.

  • She keeps the clan grounded while he's gone.

  • Drizzle is nice too, a peppy young she-cat enthusiastic about the clans she has grown

  • up in, one of the first in that regard, and she too acts as a great balance to super edition

  • River Ripple during his journey.

  • There is one other she-cat anddo I have to talk about her?

  • Haaaaaaah I guess so.

  • So Finch, Riverstar's second love interest goes through a romance with him *very* quickly,

  • in the space of a single chapter, but at least it is mostly on the page this time.

  • We are told in retroactive narration that Finch had a mate and kits she lost, that she's

  • self-reliant and not flighty or dainty like Flutter was, and that Riverstar loves her.

  • I would have loved to learn more of that by seeing her actually say and do things but

  • the two of them sitting together after hunting and meditation is on the page and they at

  • least show their comfort in each others' presence through touch, checking in on each other,

  • and comfort in silence.

  • That said, after all of that Finch still doesn't want to come back with Riverstar to his home

  • because she doesn't like fish or fishing or how the mentoring system takes kits away

  • from their parents or how the clans are always threatened and threaten others over borders

  • or that she would be leaving her old mate and kits and friends behind or that pregnancy

  • with Riverstar's kits would make a long journey difficult.

  • Because of these completely reasonable points, she decides (and reiterates to Riverstar many,

  • many times) that she will stay at the Park and raise their kids there, naming one of

  • them in Riverstar's honorand then in the next scene she chases after Riverstar

  • anyway and follows him home despite still not liking it.

  • Boy do I love forcing more she-cats to give up their lives, wishes, and comfort to follow

  • their tom mates to wherever their destinies are so they can be great soulless moms forever!

  • None of the things I've talked about today are unique to Riverstar or the Dawn of the

  • Clans time period.

  • All of it has been done before in books like Leopardstar's Honor, Blackfoot's Reckoning,

  • Exile From Shadowclan, Redtail's Debt, Crowfeather's Trial, and if we go back far enough, Bluestar's

  • Prophecy and Yellowfang's Secret.

  • The mistakes, sloppy characterization, and stock romance plots are all pretty symptomatic

  • of not having any time to do things like review what they had already written, flesh out new

  • characters, or decide on the overall message or arc of their stories.

  • Even the atrocious pacing could be solved if they had a specific story, arc, and message

  • to tell rather than just trying to fill up as much space as possible by retelling existing

  • material and then fumbling on the rest.

  • Stuff does happen in this book, and a lot of it was new stuff because it had to be.

  • That is good.

  • It's what makes it unique from what a Mistystar or Ivypool book would have been if they had

  • been released at this time.

  • Do you know just how much A Vision of Shadows or The Broken Code recap with Ivypool watching

  • from the sidelines and saying nothing would have happened if she had gotten this book?

  • I would wager even more than Riverstar got, considering they can't push too much further

  • into her story without intruding on the current main series.

  • And just a note there: I love Ivypool.

  • I want her to have a good book.

  • But the current team doesn't want any specific character to have a good book.

  • That's not how they've been operatingwell, ever, but especially since Vicky left.

  • No one here has a specific vision or love for the series that drives them to dive into

  • characters or tell specific stories.

  • They don't think about new books in the series in the way a fan does, in the way we

  • *did* when the poll for this book first came out.

  • There being a story to tell for a character or time period isn't enough, THEY, the Erins,

  • need to have a story to tell, and they need the time to think creatively about what it

  • could be, what they've already written, who their characters are, and where they should

  • go with their ideas.

  • But that isn't how Warriors is written; it isn't the goal of the series, so they wouldn't

  • pick that choice, and they don't.

  • Over and over again, they keep making choices that we disagree with and make lackluster

  • books that avoid trying anything new and often screw up what they have already written in

  • past years.

  • The thing is, going by their own goals they are doing great.

  • They're producing A LOT, getting their name out, selling more copies of the old books

  • and some of the brand new ones, getting into school libraries and classrooms and little

  • kids' hands where they don't care about or remember the things we, the tiny minority

  • of hardcore fans, do.

  • Sometimes they even happen upon a story that is genuinely good, to someone or to a large

  • amount of people, and that book gets taken in by even the most dedicated fans as a reason

  • to love the series and continue reading it.

  • But those instances are rare, because they have to be.

  • Warriors is not designed to be a series of good books that flow together well.

  • It's not designed to have character arcs that are unique and resonate or to produce

  • social commentary by examining the flaws in the cultures the clans live in.

  • It's designed to be a book series about cats that produces a lot of books quickly

  • enough to always be new on the shelves.

  • And it is.

  • It's time we stop assuming they have the same goals as us.

  • We can still love the books, we can still have fun thinking of ways they could have

  • taken the stories if they had more time and care.

  • But we need to accept that that's not what Warriors is at its core.

  • And it's not what Riverstar's Home was going to be.

  • This isn't the worst book in the series, not by a longshot.

  • It's mediocre in exactly the way that so many Warriors books are.

  • Justdon't get your hopes up too high, and know what it is when you go into it.

  • Thank you for watching, and always remember that everything's cool, man.

  • You should just sit back and let the waves wash over you

  • unless you CAN'T because the water is super scary

  • and it feels all quiet and alone down there.

  • Ah! Gray Wing, tell me what to do!

I did not want to be doing thisIt's September.

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