- [Anne Marie] You're an InDesign user,

- [Anne Marie]你是一個InDesign用戶。

you've laid out a beautiful document

你制定了一個美麗的文件

for your client and exported it to PDF,

為你的客戶提供了一個新版本，並將其導出為PDF格式。

maybe even sent it to print.

也許還送去打印了。

Like for example, this employee manual.

比如說，這個員工手冊。

You give it to them and they say,

你把它交給他們，他們說。

"You know what? We love it.

"你知道嗎？我們喜歡它。

But we need an editable version in Microsoft Word.

但我們需要一個在Microsoft Word中的可編輯版本。

Can you do that for us?"

你能為我們這樣做嗎？"

If you have not been at the receiving end

如果你沒有接受過

of that request, get ready

的請求，準備好

'cause it will come soon one day,

因為有一天它很快就會到來。

and you know, can you blame them?

你知道，你能怪他們嗎？

A lot of users want to be able to edit

很多用戶希望能夠編輯

the beautiful things that you create for them in Word.

你在Word中為他們創造的美好事物。

They think Word is for everything.

他們認為Word是為了一切。

So maybe one day InDesign will allow you to export to Word.

是以，也許有一天InDesign會允許你輸出到Word。

It does not yet.

它還沒有。

It allows you export text to Rich Text Format,

它允許你將文本導出為富文本格式。

but it can't export everything toward,

但它不能把所有東西都向外輸出。

like say, in this newsletter. City Cycling News.

比如說，在這份通訊中。城市騎行新聞。

Okay, so I'm going to show you here

好的，所以我將在這裡向你展示

how you can do it manually,

你怎麼能手動做呢。

and then at the end of this video

然後在這個視頻的最後

I'm going to show you a couple commercial plugins

我將向你展示幾個商業插件

and a free service that you might want to consider.

和一項免費服務，你可能想考慮。

Now, if your document is mainly text like this one,

現在，如果你的文件主要是像這樣的文本。

then you are on Easy Street.

那麼你就在逍遙街了。

All you need to do is export it to PDF,

你需要做的就是把它導出為PDF。

and export it from there to Word,

並從那裡將其導出到Word。

and I'll show you that in a second.

我一會兒就給你看。

Now, if you have a document that's more highly designed,

現在，如果你有一個設計得比較高的文件。

with wraps and things and multiple frames per page,

有包裝和東西，每頁有多個框架。

you're going to take a little bit of tweaking

你將需要一點點的調整

in the final result, but hopefully

在最終結果中，但希望

your client will get that.

你的客戶會明白這一點。

But both methods use the same thing.

但這兩種方法使用的是同樣的東西。

Both methods, you export to PDF.

這兩種方法，你都要導出到PDF。

And then from Acrobat, you save out as Word.

然後從Acrobat中，你保存為Word。

So I've already exported both of these to PDF,

是以，我已經將這兩份文件導出為PDF。

and I have them open in Acrobat.

而且我在Acrobat中打開了它們。

Nothing special about the PDF format,

PDF格式沒有什麼特別之處。

really, that you need to worry about.

真的，你需要擔心的是。

Just have it open up in Acrobat.

只要讓它在Acrobat中打開就可以了。

So here's the Two Trees Manual, employee manual

所以這裡是《兩棵樹手冊》，員工手冊

and here's Cycling News.

而這裡是《自行車新聞》。

Okay, looks exactly like in InDesign.

好的，看起來和InDesign中的一模一樣。

Let's do Two Trees Manual first.

我們先來做《兩棵樹手冊》。

to export to Word from Acrobat,

從Acrobat導出到Word。

go to File, Export to Word.

轉到 "文件"，"導出到Word"。

Choose Word document, and then down here,

選擇Word文檔，然後在這裡下來。

notice that there's a settings button.

注意，有一個設置按鈕。

Let me talk about that for a minute.

讓我談一談這個問題。

Your main thing is that do you want to

你的主要事情是，你是否想

include flowing text or retain page layout?

包括流動的文本或保留頁面佈局？

You almost always want to choose retain flowing text.

你幾乎總是想選擇保留流動的文本。

You'd think maintain page layout,

你會認為保持頁面佈局。

but that can turn into a nightmare,

但這可能會變成一場惡夢。

which I'll show you in a bit.

我稍後會給你看。

And then the other thing is

然後另一件事是

you usually do want to include images,

你通常希望包括影像。

I would think, for your client,

我想，對於你的客戶來說。

to say "Yes, this is the exact same thing

說："是的，這是完全相同的事情。

that I did for you in InDesign,"

我在InDesign中為你做的，"

but you can choose not to include images.

但你可以選擇不包括影像。

I'm going to say retain flowing text, click Okay.

我打算說保留流動的文本，點擊好。

Now I have already done that,

現在我已經做到了。

exported to flowing text both of these,

輸出為流動文本的這兩個。

so let's jump over to Word.

所以讓我們跳到Word上。

Here is Two Trees Manual as flowing text.

這裡是《兩棵樹手冊》作為流動的文本。

Looks pretty good, doesn't it?

看起來很不錯，不是嗎？

Let me scale it back a bit so we can see more pages.

讓我把它縮小一點，以便我們能看到更多的頁面。

It looks really great, and in fact

它看起來真的很棒，而且事實上

even I think, I'm not sure what it did with the styles.

甚至我認為，我不確定它對這些風格做了什麼。

Some of the styles are still there.

一些風格仍然存在。

Body text plus custom.

主體文字加上自定義。

Now how the heck did that happen?

現在，這到底是怎麼發生的呢？

Well, this InDesign document was created from the start

那麼，這個InDesign文件從一開始就被創建了

from a Word file that was styled, and I'm guessing

我猜測，從Word文件中得到的風格，以及我猜測的

that that information was retained when exported to PDF.

該資訊在導出為PDF時被保留。

Let's take a look at the other document

讓我們看一下另一份文件

which was Cycling News reflowable.

這是可迴流的循環新聞。

So here's Cycling News, a little bit more sketchy.

是以，這裡是《自行車新聞》，更簡略一點。

Let's zoom out a bit.

讓我們再放大一點。

This wrap looks like it's working.

這個包裹看起來是有效的。

This one is not working.

這個人不工作了。

All right, and this page something went blooey here.

好吧，這一頁的東西在這裡變成了血腥的。

I'm not quite sure.

我不太清楚。

Probably because we said reflowing.

可能是因為我們說的是迴流。

If we look at it, let's open the document

如果我們看一下，讓我們打開文件

where I said maintain the page layout.

我在這裡說的是維護頁面佈局。

Oh, this is the Two Trees Manual

哦，這就是《兩棵樹手冊》。

maintain page layout, sorry.

維護頁面佈局，抱歉。

This one, look at what's happening

這一個，看看發生了什麼

when I click inside of a paragraph.

當我在一個段落內點擊時。

it has exported every paragraph

它已經導出了每一個段落

as a stand-alone text frame

作為一個獨立的文本框架

that is anchored in the text flow.

錨定在文本流中。

Imagine if you had created your InDesign document

想象一下，如果你在創建InDesign文檔時

with one big text frame, and then every paragraph

用一個大的文本框，然後每段

was in its own text frame that you cut

是在它自己的文本框中，你切掉

and pasted into the big text frame.

並粘貼到大文本框中。

That's how this is.

就是這樣的。

So that's why you usually don't want to do layout.

所以這就是為什麼你通常不想做佈局。

Let's take a look at what happens in Acrobat

讓我們來看看在Acrobat中發生了什麼

if we export this guy as a Word document,

如果我們把這傢伙導出為Word文檔。

and we say that we want it to go to the desktop

我們說我們想讓它轉到桌面上

and just change the settings to retain page layout

並只需改變設置以保留頁面佈局

and click save.

並點擊保存。

You know, it's about the same.

你知道，這差不多是一樣的。

Cycling is, it looks about the same.

騎自行車是，它看起來差不多。

Well, this page is a little better,

好吧，這一頁稍微好一點。

but if we click inside here,

但如果我們點擊這裡的內部。

every column is a separate frame.

每一列都是一個獨立的框架。

And I don't even know if they're threaded.

而且我甚至不知道它們是否是有螺紋的。

I don't think so.

我不這麼認為。

No, they're stand-alone.

不，它們是獨立的。

So it's kind of a nightmare.

所以這有點像一場噩夢。

It's far better if it's mostly text, as you can see,

如你所見，如果大部分是文字，那就好得多。

but that is the way that you would do it from InDesign

但這是你在InDesign中的做法。

is you would export to PDF and then from Acrobat,

是你將導出到PDF，然後從Acrobat導出。

export it to Word.

把它導出到Word。

Now there's a few different commercial services

現在有一些不同的商業服務

you might want to check out.

你可能想去看看。

Recosoft.com has a plugin called ID2Office

Recosoft.com有一個名為ID2Office的插件

that has a free trial download.

該網站有免費的試用下載。

You might want to try that.

你可能想試試這個。

I have not had excellent results from there,

我在那裡沒有得到很好的結果。

but you do get more options

但你確實得到了更多的選擇

when you export to Word or PowerPoint.

當你導出到Word或PowerPoint時。

Markzware has a product that purports to do

Markzware有一個產品，據稱可以做到

a better job of converting from PDF to InDesign

更好地完成從PDF到InDesign的轉換工作

or illustrator, QuarkXPress, or Affinity for that matter.

或插圖，QuarkXPress，或Affinity。

I haven't tried that yet, but that could be cool.

我還沒有試過，但那可能很酷。

And then there's a free service from NitroPDF.

然後有一個來自NitroPDF的免費服務。

You could just upload your PDF and say

你可以直接上傳你的PDF，然後說

that you want it as a Word file or any of these

你想把它作為一個Word文件或任何這些

and then they will email you the PDF,

然後他們會把PDF文件電郵給你。

ad that does a really nice job for free,

免費的廣告，做得非常好。

so that's pretty cool.

所以這很好。

All right, now you know what's involved

好了，現在你知道其中的內容了吧

If a client says, "I need to have a Word document

如果一個客戶說，"我需要一個Word文檔

from your beautiful InDesign file."

從你美麗的InDesign文件中"。

You can do it.

你可以做到這一點。

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(歡快的音樂)