No, the prohibition is anything that compromises the intellect, even if it expands the intellect and makes it smarter.

不，禁止的是任何損害智力的東西，即使它擴展了智力，使其更聰明。

Okay, where does coffee fall?

好吧，咖啡屬於哪裡？

I've never encountered anyone who commits a crime because they drank a lot of coffee or a lot of tea of it.

我從來沒有遇到過因為喝了很多咖啡或很多茶而犯罪的人。

I don't know how it nets out in Judaism, but yeah, I mean, I think in this respect Judaism and islam differ quite a bit because you know, in Judaism, we have wine as part of many rituals.

我不知道它在猶太教中是怎樣的，但是，我的意思是，我認為在這方面猶太教和伊斯蘭教有很大的不同，因為你知道，在猶太教中，我們把酒作為許多儀式的一部分。

Like alcohol is something that is very celebrated in a ritualistic sense.

就像酒精是一種在儀式感上非常值得慶祝的東西。

So the whole notion of shifting conscious states is part of spirituality and Judaism.

是以，轉變意識狀態的整個概念是靈性和猶太教的一部分。

So there's nothing against the use of psychedelics in Judaism.

是以，在猶太教中使用迷幻藥沒有任何反對意見。

So pro psychedelics, pro psychedelics.

所以支持迷幻藥，支持迷幻藥。

Anti shellfish.

反對貝類。

We do the shellfish, but not the shrooms.

我們做貝類，但不做香菇。

Yeah, I think these things might be connected.

是的，我認為這些事情可能有聯繫。

So are you in jewish law?

那麼你是搞猶太法的嗎？

Is it permissible if I take cocaine?

如果我服用可卡因，是否可以允許？

I just don't know where I'm going to stand with God if I do it?

我只是不知道如果我這樣做，我在上帝面前會站在哪裡？

I'm not a jewish law expert.

我不是一個猶太法專家。

So I don't know how to answer that for long.

所以我不知道如何長期回答這個問題。

I wish Muslims would give the same response.

我希望穆斯林能給出同樣的迴應。

Would it come to Islamic law?

會不會來到伊斯蘭法？

It's not knowing something.

這是不知道的東西。

Yeah, I don't know how profound that is, Muslims don't do it because they have access to slam Q and A in this episode, The psychedelic kind of opens up a breakthrough of something that's kind of underlying that they need to deal with.

是的，我不知道這有多深刻，穆斯林不這樣做是因為他們有機會接觸到這一集的抨擊性問答，迷幻藥有點打開了他們需要處理的那種潛在的東西的突破口。

It kind of becomes this this strange phenomenon of like, okay, you're doing something you're not supposed to do, but then like, well where was it written for you to do that?

這就變成了這種奇怪的現象，比如說，好吧，你在做你不應該做的事情，但又比如說，好吧，哪裡寫的是讓你這麼做的？

And I think that's the thing that people who, whether they're on a spiritual path or aren't on one are always constantly debating when the concept of spirituality comes up, you know, the whole idea of what is written, right, muslim culture, there is an enormous amount of, of misunderstanding about it about this because nowhere in the Koran does it say that things are predestined?

我認為這就是那些不管是走靈性之路還是不走靈性之路的人總是不斷爭論的事情，當靈性的概念出現時，你知道，整個想法是什麼寫的，對，穆斯林文化，有大量的，關於這個的誤解，因為《古蘭經》中沒有一處說事情是註定的？

I've often thought if you know, why did I end up in the United States?

我經常想，如果你知道，為什麼我最終會在美國？

While a lot of the people I grew up with who were never able to leave Egypt ended up in prison and political prison, it burdens you, right?

雖然很多和我一起長大的人都沒能離開埃及，最後被關進了監獄和政治監獄，但這給你帶來了負擔，對嗎？

It's like, okay, so God chose this for me, how do you express gratitude?

這就像，好吧，所以上帝為我選擇了這個，你如何表達感激之情？

How do you live up to the responsibility?

你怎樣才能不辜負這個責任？

I think most things we don't actually have control over because most things actually function in the unseen realm.

我認為大多數事情我們實際上是無法控制的，因為大多數事情實際上是在看不見的領域發揮作用。

And even just thinking about like how much do you know about yourself and your body and the different things that are going on inside, we largely don't know much actually, God's will compliments are will, I mean if you, if you are determined to be a loser, you know, God will send you a lot of signs, God, you're a loser to change your path to stop being that if you ignore the signs that you know, cause it's like, okay, yeah, you just like triggered like a memory of how I even began writing like, you know, songs that meant something to me the day that I got arrested when I had like I got a gun charge and I'm sitting in the car when we got pulled over and nothing made sense.

甚至只是想一想，你對自己和你的身體有多少了解，以及裡面發生的不同事情，我們基本上不知道多少，實際上，上帝的意志讚美是意志，我的意思是，如果你，如果你決心成為一個失敗者，你知道，上帝會給你發送很多跡象，上帝。你是一個失敗者，以改變你的道路，停止成為，如果你忽略的跡象，你知道，因為它是像，好吧，是的，你只是像觸發像一個記憶，我甚至開始寫像，你知道，歌曲，意味著我的東西的一天，我被逮捕時，我有像我得到一個槍的指控，我坐在車裡，當我們被拉過來，沒有什麼意義。

Like I wasn't supposed to be arrested.

好像我不應該被逮捕。

Like somehow the driver didn't have a driver's license with him, you know what I mean?

比如說司機不知為何沒有帶駕照，你知道我的意思嗎？

And then the insurance was just expired in his vehicle so he couldn't drive it And every single person that I called to come and pick up the car, didn't answer their phone.

然後他的車的保險剛剛過期，所以他不能開車，而且每一個我打電話來取車的人，都不接電話。

And so then that led to a search where they found a gun and then I got arrested for the gun.

是以，這導致了一次搜查，他們發現了一把槍，然後我因為這把槍而被捕。

And I remember sitting in the cell thinking, well it's over for me and I couldn't leave Toronto for almost a year, but in that year I confronted, you know, so much that I was dealing with that I was escaping in the years prior.

我記得我坐在牢房裡想，這對我來說已經結束了，我幾乎一年都不能離開多倫多，但在那一年裡，我面對的是，你知道，我正在處理的那麼多東西，我在之前的幾年裡一直在逃避。

And so it was like all of those kind of experiences and those traumas compounding led me to, I think uh, to like to an artistry that I didn't even think that I was capable of like holding in my body.

所以就像所有這些經歷和這些創傷的複合導致了我，我想呃，喜歡上了一種藝術性，我甚至不認為我有能力像在我的身體裡持有。

But you know what my dad told me that making music was gonna keep me far from the faith and I'm here sitting with the share.

但是你知道嗎，我爸爸告訴我，做音樂會讓我遠離信仰，而我在這裡坐著分享。

It's actually amazing.

這實際上是很驚人的。

I really I really just took it in that I'm here having a conversation with the share because I wrote songs, your dad was wrong.

我真的我真的只是把它看成是我在這裡與分享的對話，因為我寫了歌，你爸爸是錯的。

Music has a past the gods.

音樂有一個過去的神。

Yeah, it was a path to you and you are close to God and now I am as a result of that closer to God.

是的，這是一條通往你的道路，你接近上帝，現在我也是以而接近上帝。

But then all of that feels predestined for me.

但後來這一切對我來說都感覺是命中註定的。

You know what I mean?

你知道我的意思嗎？

If you if you would have chosen to play video games, you know, you got the, you know, creative impulse and you say, no, I'm gonna go play video games instead you Schwartz.

如果你如果你會選擇玩視頻遊戲，你知道，你有，你知道，創造性的衝動，你說，不，我要去玩視頻遊戲而不是你施瓦茨。

And that's why it's that's where the choice comes in.

這就是為什麼這就是選擇的意義所在。

That's where the choice you were presented with an opportunity to do the alternative thing.

這就是向你提出選擇的地方，你有機會做替代的事情。

And but the thing is like, would that always have been my like destiny anyway, if that's what was, I don't think so, There's destiny and Destiny be destiny.

但問題是，這是否一直是我的命運，如果這就是我的命運，我不這麼認為，有命運和命運就是命運。

A if if you act if you choose to act on God's gift and destiny be if you choose to ignore God's gifts, which actually is very much like video games, video games are profound.

A如果你的行為如果你選擇對上帝的禮物和命運是如果你選擇忽視上帝的禮物，這實際上是非常像電子遊戲，電子遊戲是深刻的。

But I feel, I mean, I'm curious like even in your work, because it's it's such an intersection between art and and spirituality.

但我覺得，我的意思是，我很好奇，甚至在你的工作中，因為它是這樣一個藝術和精神的交叉點。

Like, I mean, that must feel like a present choice that's always there.

就像，我的意思是，那一定感覺是一個一直存在的現成選擇。

Yeah, definitely.

是的，當然。

I think that sometimes when we think about God we think of God as an external being that in some ways it's like the divine will is being imposed on us versus actually God lives within us, um it's not really one or the other, it's actually more of a co creation process and I certainly feel this way as an artist and as a spiritual teacher um that I I'm actually co creating with God with the divine, so I make a step, God make us steps, we meet each other, and then we're like, we take a little break, we discussed, like, did that work out?

我認為，有時當我們想到上帝時，我們會把上帝當成一個外在的存在，在某些方面，就像神聖的意志被強加在我們身上，而實際上，上帝住在我們裡面，嗯，這不是真的一個或另一個。它實際上更像是一個共同創造的過程，作為一個藝術家和精神導師，我當然有這種感覺，我實際上是在與神共同創造，所以我邁出了一步，神讓我們邁出了一步，我們彼此相遇，然後我們就像，我們稍微休息一下，我們討論，比如，這是否成功？

I think it's also interesting like seeing with Romney's character on the show, because, you know, a lot of times we make choices or we take actions and we don't think that it's going to catch up to us, because, you know, obviously we're living in a time where there's really such a high level of lack of accountability from multiple beings, multiple systems, um and men for sure, um and we see this also with Romney's character, that's what I'm talking about the Romney character, you know, I mean, I'm going to just take the hit for all of us and say yes, wow, thank you, we need men like, yes, and just tell me what's next for me, I think that what it means to be a person who is devoted to God is to live in spiritual integrity, which means to have accountability.

我認為這也很有趣，就像在節目中看到的羅姆尼的角色一樣，因為，你知道，很多時候我們做出選擇或我們採取的行動，我們不認為它會趕上我們，因為，你知道，顯然我們生活在一個真的有這樣一個高水平的缺乏問責制的時代，從多個生命，多個系統，嗯和男人肯定。嗯，我們也從羅姆尼的性格中看到了這一點，這就是我所說的羅姆尼的性格，你知道，我的意思是，我只是要為我們所有人承受打擊，說是的，哇，謝謝你，我們需要這樣的人，是的，只是告訴我，我的下一步是什麼，我認為，作為一個獻給上帝的人，意味著要生活在精神上的完整性，這意味著要有問責制。

Yeah, I do think that idea of accountability is really interesting because I do think there's this thing for the character or there's this thing where, you know, I think people will feel all the time in their lives where it's like, is it too late?

是的，我確實認為問責制的想法真的很有趣，因為我確實認為對角色來說有這樣的事情，或者有這樣的事情，你知道，我認為人們會在他們的生活中一直感到，這就像，太晚了嗎？

Right.

對。

And actually, that's one of the things that I think is really interesting because especially in that conversation about destiny, it's like, we need to also unpacked this dimension of time.

實際上，這是我認為非常有趣的事情之一，因為特別是在關於命運的對話中，我們需要同時解開時間這個維度。

Time is actually not a linear phenomenon.

時間實際上不是一個線性現象。

It's a simultaneous co creation reality, which we see both from spirituality and from quantum physics.

這是一個同時進行的共同創造的現實，我們從靈性和量子物理學中都看到了這一點。

And that's what I try to say every time, like a script is laid, I'm gonna say something else.

這也是我每次嘗試說的，比如說劇本鋪好了，我就會說點別的。

But going back to that for me, being able to be in relationship with the unknown is the heart of my spiritual practice because if I know then there's no space for God, but if I don't know, then there's infinite space for God.

但對我來說，能夠與未知的事物發生關係是我靈脩的核心，因為如果我知道，就沒有上帝的空間，但如果我不知道，就有上帝的無限空間。

And That to me feels actually really central to this conversation.

對我來說，這實際上是這次對話的核心。

You know, I've been lucky to have experiences in my life that felt spiritual.

你知道，我很幸運，在我的生活中，有感覺到精神的經歷。

I mean, like when I was like 19, I remember I I all I wanted to do was act and I didn't know if I should be acting or if I should be going to college and I was actually gonna become a lawyer because I was like, that's like professional acting in a different way uh learning that No, I wasn't, but but I I I remember, you know, I had gotten Bell's palsy where I couldn't move half my face for like 78 months, you know, I was unable to move it.

我的意思是，就像我19歲的時候，我記得我我想做的就是演戲，我不知道我是否應該演戲，或者我是否應該上大學，我實際上是要成為一名律師，因為我喜歡，這就像專業演戲的不同方式呃學習，不，我不是，但但我我記得，你知道，我已經得到貝爾氏麻痺，我不能移動我的一半臉，像78個月，你知道，我是無法移動它。

And I remember thinking, wait, like I'm going to be an actor, but it's just some sign is just some fate of like, I shouldn't do it or I should do it.

我記得我在想，等等，就像我要成為一個演員，但這只是一些跡象，只是一些命運，就像我不應該做或我應該做。

And I remember almost kind of like, yeah, looking really in words and I just kind of made a deal with myself as to what I wanted it to mean, because I think there were people in my family who were like, look at you, you wanted to go out and do this acting as comedy and like, you know, God took away your face.

我記得我幾乎有點像，是的，看起來真的是言之有物，我只是有點與自己達成協議，我希望它是什麼意思，因為我認為我家裡有人喜歡，看看你，你想出去做這個表演，作為喜劇，就像，你知道，上帝拿走了你的臉。

And then I remember being like, well, do I want to think about it that way, or do I want to reframe it?

然後我記得我當時想，好吧，我是想這樣想呢，還是想重塑它？