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  • Moderator: Moving on to the mythology.

  • So, we know that Iliad was written by Homer, right?(Sadhguru laughs).

  • A blind guy

  • he wrote that there are fourteen thousand horses.

  • But since we know that he could not have seen it for himself,

  • we believe that there is some sort of historical,

  • you know storytelling, going on there,

  • Would you saybut nowadays all the scripturesreligious scriptures are taken as gospel.

  • So should we also believe that there is

  • myth-making in the Ramayana, in the Mahabharata,

  • and that taking them as gospel,

  • rather than just work of literature, is wrong?

  • Sadhguru: I…I don’t see anybody taking Ramayan and Mahabharata as a gospel!

  • Moderator: There are certain factions which are

  • Sadhguru: No, no. They cannot, because

  • theyll get freaked out with confusion.

  • Because there are all kinds of people in Mahabharat.

  • The best sort of men, the worst sort of men, in-between every kind of man and woman

  • is there, over hundred thousand characters.

  • How can you make a gospel out of it?

  • So you said storytelling.

  • I don’t know

  • if youve seen the by-line of Youth and Truth,

  • Not the seriousness of gospel, but the playfulness of gossip,”

  • because gossip has always been reliable (Laughter).

  • Noat any time in history, nobody went by the official version.

  • Whatever the official version came,

  • people asked around with their friends and relatives,

  • What happened?”

  • When five people said five different things,

  • people learnt out of their wisdom to extract some truth out of the gossip.

  • But people always relied more on the gossip, than the official version. Isn’t it so?

  • It’s not just today, always.

  • Moderator: However, given that this gossip can lead to a transformation of this truth

  • to an extent where it’s lost forever,

  • do you think that’s troubling?

  • Sadhguru: See, first of all, you are questioning did it actually happen, right?

  • Moderator: No, so we are saying that

  • the same argument which you have given

  • is the argument which is usually used these days to say that

  • buildings which were constructed by the Moghuls were actually not Moghul structures.

  • Sadhguru: Oh, okay (Laughs). I get the point. Moderator: However,

  • that’s gossip being misinterpreted completely.

  • Sadhguru: (Laughs) Now

  • See, if you come further South,

  • people are questioning whether Rama existed or not, okay?

  • This is a just a question of poor memory.

  • When the entire nation is been talking about it for thousands of years,

  • now the problem is,

  • your trust in the printed word is more than the spoken word,

  • that is the whole problem.

  • But you must understand, this is a oral culture.

  • We always transmitted most significant things orally.

  • You mayYou may think it’s insignificant because it’s not written.

  • But anybody can write it down.

  • People have written it down now. Now it’s a printed word.

  • But now somebody questions did Rama exist or not.

  • Not in one place, in entire culture,

  • when everybody is talking about the same story,

  • with minor variations here and there,

  • it could not have been just made up by all the people, isn’t it?

  • Moderator: I guess… I guess his point was also, by bringing in the Iliad example, the same

  • that the war on Troy did happen,

  • but the fact that Homer says that fourteen thousand horses were there,

  • is clearly not a truth.

  • Sadhguru: Maybe not.

  • Moderator: May be Ram did exist,

  • but are the facts which are the things which are

  • Sadhguru: See, we are after all Indians. We invented zero.

  • We have certain freedom in using number of zeros (Applause).

  • We are taking liberty with that (Applause).

  • Don’t…(Applause)

  • see, see, whether six, seven thousand years ago,

  • whether hundred thousand men fought or ten thousand men fought, doesn’t make a difference.

  • The way the story is said in this country, is not for its facts, but for its truth.

  • You are trying to bring out a certain truth (Applause).

  • The fact of itwhether hundred thousand men fought, ten thousand men foughtwhat does it matter?

  • You don’t have to manage that war today.

  • It’s over (Laughter/Applause)!

  • So the important thing is,

  • what is there for me to learn from that? Alright?

  • IfIf that’s the question mark, we can go ahead with that.

  • Moderator: I guess that was his point itself.

  • That when you look at religious texts,

  • as you would learn from a piece of literature

  • Sadhguru: See, don’t call them religious texts.

  • This is nation’s history.

  • Moderator: Yes.

  • So let’s say, if you look at another piece of literature, you would derive learnings from it.

  • Sadhguru: No. Literature is different. History is different (Laughter/Applause). Moderator: Okay.

  • Sadhguru: LiteratureLiterature can be fiction.

  • History is written in a dialectical way, so that it’s always relevant for you.

  • I am saying, six-thousand years ago,

  • whether a man existed or not, what’s my problem,

  • unless he has something to contribute to my life today, isn’t it?

  • Moderator: However, if history has been written, and the facts of the history are not clear.

  • Sadhguru: See, this is what I am saying.

  • The fact is like this..

  • Suppose six-thousand years ago,

  • Rama had a wife whose name was not Sita.

  • What’s my problem (Laughter)?

  • Moderator: We are not questioning whether the name was Sita,

  • Sadhguru: Not only the name. I am saying,

  • okay he was not his father’s name was not that,

  • it was something else.

  • He was somebody else.

  • What does it matter to me? Moderator: We are even

  • questioning the sequence of events over here.

  • Sadhguru: You can. Moderator: About how .

  • Sadhguru: See, sequence of events also you can question.

  • But what I am asking is, a six thousand year old drama, if it got little mixed up, it is not your problem.

  • The problem is just this,

  • is there something for us to get from that?

  • Moderator: True.

  • Sadhguru: That’s all the thing is.

  • Now why we are worshiping Rama (Laughs) in this country is,

  • he is not a super success.

  • He’s a serial disaster (Laughter), if you look at it.

  • Yes!

  • Even today he is having real estate issues, that’s why you brought this up

  • (Cheers/Laughter/Applause).

  • But it is not today aloneit’s not today alone.

  • Right from the beginning of his life, he is in trouble and trouble and trouble and trouble (Laughter).

  • See, he is rightfully a king.

  • He is coroneted at the age of seventeen or eighteen.

  • He marries a princess,

  • and within one or two years, he is sent to the forest.

  • They didn’t go to the jungle for picnic (Laughter),

  • as some of the television serials are showing, Rama-Sita doing all that (Laughter).

  • No. It is a…

  • It is a… like you know,

  • throwing him out of the kingdom, from his power and everything.

  • That itself would have shattered a man. But he settled down there.

  • Moderator: But Rama is also an insecure person,

  • whowhen (Sadhguru Laughs)… when Sita came back to him,

  • first she sat through fire.

  • Sadhguru: We willwe will come there. Don’t jump

  • Moderator: First she sat through fire... Sadhguru: First let’s kidnap her, no

  • (Laughter/Applause)?

  • Moderator: Yes, yes, yes, please let’s go bySadhguru: See, now you are changing (Laughs)…

  • See, now you are changing the sequence of things.

  • Moderator: No. no. Please go ahead. Sadhguru: First let’s kidnap her.

  • Alright (Cheers/Laughter/Applause)?

  • Now...

  • Now, these Sri Lankan people come and kidnap his wife and go away.

  • After allAfter all, he is a king.

  • If somebody steals his wife and takes her away, some three thousand kilometers down South

  • there is no GPS to even find out where is Sri Lanka (Laughter),

  • all right?

  • At a time like that, being a king,

  • he could have found a local solution (Laughter).

  • There would be any number of women to marry the man. He is a king.

  • But, he goes in search of her, not with a big army

  • just him and his brother.

  • Like ordinary people.

  • If a man has to walk three thousand kilometers down South, not knowing where she is,

  • whether she is alive or dead or what’s happened?

  • Then she must mean so much to him, yes or no?

  • Participants: Yes.

  • Sadhguru: Otherwise, why would a man walk that distance (Applause)?

  • Now, he goes there, he forms a Tamil armydon’t forget this (Laughter).

  • And then there is a fight, kills hundreds of people, burns down a beautiful city,

  • gets back his wife, comes and settles down.

  • Before this, I will tell you

  • he goes for a year of penance in Himalayas.

  • His brother asks, “Are you crazy?

  • This man stole your wife.

  • And now youre doing penance for his death?”