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  • Welcome to Speak English Fluently.

  • I'm your host Steve Hatherly.

  • And my guest today is Mr. Luke Jones.

  • Who was a teacher in Korea for I would say a brief stint, but it wasn't really that brief.

  • I think uh Luke told me, as we were chatting before we got started today, it was for a

  • total of eight years.

  • But Luke did make the decision to return to his home country of Wales.

  • And in 2018, that's when Luke decided to develop a YouTube channel.

  • A very popular idea with people these days.

  • But what's more interesting is the focus of the channel.

  • And we'll get to that in just a moment.

  • Well after achieving a pretty decent level of success uh subscribers in the range of

  • around 10 000 people, then it exploded to great success.

  • And now Luke has over 200,000 subscribers.

  • And as I just alluded to, his content deals with the Duolingo English Test.

  • And that will be the focus of our chat today.

  • Welcome to Speak English Fluently, Luke Jones.

  • It's great to meet you.

  • Sir.

  • Yeah.

  • thank you for the kind introduction.

  • And it's good to meet you and it's a pleasure to be on this show with you.

  • Wonderful.

  • So you were you were yourself in Korea for, did I get that right, eight years in total?

  • Yeah, I was eight almost nine years.

  • I lived in a small city called Changweon, first.

  • Then, I moved to Seoul where I got my say my full-time job at a university.

  • And that was brilliant.

  • I actually loved my time there.

  • I learned so much.

  • I met so many great people.

  • Wonderful.

  • After you returned to Wales, you decided to make the YouTube channel.

  • Was that upon the return to Wales?

  • Or was that something you were thinking about during your time here in Korea?

  • Yeah, that was before, actually.

  • So I moved to Wales about six months ago but as you mentioned, I started my channel

  • in 2018.

  • Basically, I just saw the trend of online education.

  • Even in 2018, it looked like lots of teachers were going online with their courses uh their

  • lectures so on and I just, yeah, I wanted to be a part of that.

  • I try to keep myself, you know, forward thinking and being as innovative as possible so I thought

  • that'd be a good thing to try out.

  • I started off slowly like everyone who has ever tried YouTube will know.

  • Of course.

  • It's a very hard - hard slug to start but you know after a while it does,

  • if you if you're good and you try hard, you can become successful on the channel as a

  • teacher especially.

  • That's great advice for any uh aspiring YouTuber I think, not just a language teacher.

  • So what was it?

  • I'm curious to know what was it that that made it happen and maybe you don't even know

  • but the subscribers were around 10,000 which is pretty impressive I mean

  • Yeah.

  • A lot of YouTubers say it's really hard to get to even a thousand subscribers but you

  • got to 10 and then all of a sudden, 'boom'.

  • So do you know what it was?

  • Yeah, I do.

  • Yeah, it's really clear if you look into my analytics.

  • I changed my subject matter.

  • So I was doing general English, the same stuff as on this Shaw English channel.

  • A lot of other channels do the same type of content.

  • And I was doing the same, but then, I differentiated myselfdifferentiated myself by focusing

  • on the new Duolingo English Test.

  • And it was just a, you know, it's a popular niche without that many content creators.

  • So that's basically it.

  • And then the nameand the name of your channel is?

  • Teacher Luke and then hyphen Duolingo English Test.

  • Nothing, nothing very crazy about it.

  • But you know, yeah.

  • Very straightforward.

  • We'll get thatwe'll get that information from you again at thethe end of our chat.

  • Wellwell let's get into it then.

  • The main point of our chat for today.

  • So the Duolingo English Test.

  • Now, I'm familiar with Duolingo.

  • I myself have used it.

  • I studied French in Canada in school.

  • After living in Korea for a long time, I wanted to brush up on my French.

  • And I went to Duolingo to do that.

  • But I didn't know that there was something very specific for Duolingo that being an English

  • Test.

  • So can you tell us just in general what that is?

  • Yeah, sure so the Duolingo English Test is basically a new way to certify your English

  • level.

  • So it's very similar to the other popular Tests - the IELTS and TOEFL.

  • So if you wantif a student, an international student, wants to study in the U.S., Canada,

  • U.K., Australia, you name it, then they need to certify their English using a proficiency

  • exam.

  • So the Duolingo Test is the newest proficiency Test out there.

  • It's not that new, actually.

  • So it's about five years old uh which is relatively new but still not notnot that new.

  • However, it was during the coveted pandemic that this test became really popular.

  • How long have.

  • you mentioned.

  • uh IELTS and TOEFL, those I guess IELTS is mainly popular in the U.K. if I'm correct.

  • And then TOEFL, that's right um perhaps internationally, IELTS is internationally recognized as well.

  • Those have been around for a really long time, right?

  • Very long time, yeah.

  • I don't know exactly.

  • It's a very long time.

  • um it's hard to say I don't…

  • I don't know exactly how long they've been around for.

  • But yeah, they're very well established.

  • And they have a really good reputation.

  • Rightand rightly so.

  • They're very good tests.

  • But the Duolingo English Test is relatively new, even though it's been five years.

  • Relatively speaking, it's not necessarily a long time.

  • How is it different?

  • How does it differentiate itself from the IELTS and the TOEFL Test?

  • Yeah, there are actually there are so many differences.

  • But there are three main differences I think I should talk about.

  • So the first one is that this exam is far more affordable and accessible to students.

  • The IELTS and TOEFL, they're quite expensive.

  • I'm not sure if you're aware, but they're, oh god, $200, $300 somewhere in that range

  • depending on what country you take it in.

  • And that's a lot of money for a lot of students, right?

  • The Duolingo English Test, on the other hand, is only $49.

  • So in that case, is far more affordable.

  • It's much more accessible because it's only a computer-based test.

  • You don't need to go to a test center to take this exam.

  • You just do it, uh, you just need to find a quiet room and get, uh, you know, get your

  • computer out with good internet access and then you're good to go.

  • You can take the Duolingo Test...

  • Sorry to interrupt you.

  • You can take that four timesuhand take the TOEFL Test or the IELTS Test one

  • time.

  • Yeah, exactly right.

  • And that leads to

  • Okay oh sorry yeah I want to talk a bit more about the accessibility because I think for

  • people like you and I who live in very developed countries, the idea of going to a test center

  • to take an exam is not that hard right.

  • We livewe can easily get to one maybe within an hour or two.

  • But for a lot of poorer students, let's say in other developing countries, uhthat's…

  • that's sometimes a really big challenge to get to a test center.

  • Right?

  • They might have to travel a day or two days and use you know a lot of money to get there

  • sothe fact that they that the Duolingo Test

  • is done at home, on their computer, that's actually a really big deal and it's game changing

  • in my mind for a lot of poorer students around the world.

  • Well that, and I think it would encourage students to take the test perhaps more often

  • than they might take the IELTS or the TOEFL Test because, number one, it's cheaper, as

  • you mentioned, you know you could take you could take the IELTS or the TOEFL once and

  • take the Duolingo Test four times.

  • Exactly.

  • But for other students, just that motivation of having to

  • It's like going to the gym almost sometimes, right, you know.

  • I…

  • I…

  • I really want to take the test this time, but I'd have to go all the way hundreds

  • of miles to get there

  • where you could take the Duolingo English Test in your living room, in your in your

  • underwear, if you wanted to.

  • You could actually could do that.

  • And the test is much shorter.

  • It takes about an hour.

  • Whereas the IELTS and TOEFL, they tend to take all day if you include traveling and,

  • you know, all the other stuff.

  • So the universities

  • umaround the world, when we're talking about certification for students

  • um

  • Of course IELTS is accepted.

  • Of course TOEFL is accepted.

  • But what about the acceptance with Duolingo the English Test, only being around for five

  • years or so, is it widely accepted by universities

  • English-speaking countries uh universities around the world?

  • Yeah.

  • That's a really important question for a lot of test takers.

  • Why take a test if the universities don't accept it?

  • Exactly.

  • Yeah, so, the answer is yes and no.

  • In the U.S. and Canada, oh I think almost every university accepts this exam.

  • Which is fantastic.

  • However, in the U.K. or Australia or other European countries, it's a bit of a mixed

  • bag.

  • You have to really go and check your individual university to see if they would accept this

  • test as a as you know proof of your English ability.

  • mm-hmm I believe that you know the Duolingo

  • Duolingo is a company is an American company, right, so I think that probably has some influence

  • on the American universities.

  • On top of that, in the U.K., we've had a couple of visa scandals in the past with the other

  • exams like the TOEIC, so I think for the U.K., they're pretty strict and they they rely heavily

  • on IELTS for all types of visas including student visas.

  • Is it becoming more widely accepted now?

  • Can

  • can we see a trend in universities um from English-speaking countries around the world

  • where it is becoming more widely accepted now?

  • Yeah, for sure.

  • Especially since the C19 pandemic.

  • Again, a lot of students around the world didn't have that opportunity to go to a test

  • center to do the IELTS of TOEFL.

  • So you know for universities, they want international students, and the only option a lot of students

  • had to, you know, certify their English was to do the Duolingo English Test.

  • So during that time, you know, thousands of universities started accepting the exam and

  • most of them have stuck around, at least they still do accept it.

  • Especially like I said, especially in North America.

  • Can you see a trend, conversely, can you see a trend with students now, where students

  • are aware that the Duolingo

  • Duolingo English Test isis becoming more uhwidely accepted?

  • Because I would think as a student, you know, you might know about IELTS and TOEFL and think

  • those are your two choices, and that's about it.

  • And you wouldn't even think to maybe hop on the internet and see if there are other options.

  • Are students now around the world becoming more aware of the Duolingo English Test?

  • Andandand the fact that it is becoming more widely accepted?

  • Yeah, I believe so.

  • I believe so.

  • It's hard for me to give a you know a definitive answer on that, but I believe so.

  • If you look on Google Trends, as an indicator, then the popularity is always increasing,

  • so that that signifies to me that, yes, I think more students are aware of it.

  • And you know quite frankly would rather take it than the IELTS or TOEFL.

  • The Duolingo Test, I think we'll talk more about the questions later, but it is a much

  • more friendly test than the IELTS or TOEFL.

  • It's not intimidating.

  • They've done a good job of making the experience, you know, relatively pleasant.

  • Whereas the other exams are very, you know, academic paper-based, you go to a center

  • Oh, I mean.

  • intimidating.

  • I've seenthey're intimidating for native English speakers.

  • They're hard.

  • They're very hard.

  • I've seen this those TOEFL

  • some of those TOEFL questions and I've thought to myself, how on earth, even a student whose

  • level or proficiency in English was pretty good, how would they be able to even understand

  • what question is being posed?

  • They're long-winded questions a lot of the time.

  • They're very difficult to answer.

  • Require critical thinking perhaps sometimes as well.

  • You're right when you say those tests are intimidating.

  • Theyfor sure they are and I, yeah, Duolingo have done a good job of making their, yeah,

  • the experience a lot friendlier.

  • Yeah, they've done a good job of that.

  • You know like it's not surprising because they, you know, originally are an application

  • for language learning - general language learning - so they have that skill set.

  • um but it's… it's definitely a friendlier exam for sure.

  • I think the cost, going back to that point too, um makes it less intimidating for the

  • students as well because when you're spending that much money on a test to be taken, uh

  • that puts more pressure on you as a student, right?

  • Oh, a huge

  • it's a huge amount of pressure, yeah.

  • And like I said, especially for students who come from like poorer countries or developing

  • countries, that's… that's a lot of money $200.

  • Again, a lot of money.

  • So thethe test can be taken when?

  • Is it on a specific schedule, the Duolingo English Test?

  • Or can it be taken at any time?

  • It can be taken at any time.

  • Basically, the student takes it whenever and wherever he or she wants to do it.

  • So if you've got

  • Again back to the accessibility of the test, that's a bigthat's a that's a huge thing

  • for a lot of people.

  • So if you have deep pockets, you could take the test Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

  • Friday if you wanted to.

  • uh not exactly.

  • Okay.

  • You two Tests uh.. every 30 days.

  • Okay, still

  • So there is a limit on that soyeah I think

  • Yeah, that's probably a wise move on their part, on Duolingo's part, not to allow students

  • to take it all the time.

  • It, you know, it adds to relto the reliability of the test and they can only do it twice

  • every 30 days.

  • Fair point.

  • How does that compare to the IELTS and the TOEFL?

  • Are they on a schedule, a specific schedule as well?

  • It's… their tests are further apart if I'm… if I'm correct.

  • um, yeah.

  • Yeah, I'm not exactly sure but, yeah, because most of the tests are done at a test center.

  • Of course there's a schedule for that.

  • My wife took the IELTS uhjust a few months ago.

  • um, how was her

  • Like once every two weeks maybe or something like that.

  • How was her experience with that?

  • As a… from a student's perspective?

  • Yeah, it's exhausting.

  • It's exhausting.

  • So she took it to get her um U.K. visa.

  • um and yeah, she

  • her English is great but she still had to learn strategies for the test.

  • um and then go to a test center and, you know, speak to another human and, an old British

  • guy.

  • And yeah, she didn't like it at all.

  • She was exhausted.

  • um she did well but that's, you know, beside the point.

  • She

  • it wasit was, you know, it's a tough day for her for sure.

  • You mentioned thethe fact that, yeah, there are specific ways to prepare, uh, for

  • the IELTS and the TOEFL Tests and

  • And there are classes out there about that.

  • And I'lland I'll get to that in just a sec.

  • - tools of how to prepare - but what types of questions um can a student see on the Duolingo

  • English Test?

  • Yeah, right, so I will answer that question in one second, but I just want to make something

  • clear, that one of the goals of the Duolingo Test was that itit tests a student's English

  • ability rather than their ability to take a test - if that makes sense.

  • So actually, I met

  • I met up with the Duolingo marketing team about a year ago and they made that very clear

  • to me as a teacher.

  • Theythey don't want the test to be like an IELTS or TOEFL, where you have to learn

  • strategies, not just English but strategies to pass the test or you have to write your

  • essay in a certain way.

  • They don't want to do that.

  • They want it to be a, you know, a test of someone's English ability.

  • And that's it, yeah.

  • So that's… that's different forthat's a different perspective for a lot of students.

  • Particularly students here in Korea but probably students around the world where the point

  • the point of preparing for a mathematics test is to show that you know the mathematics on

  • that particular day.

  • But it's not necessarily meant to show that you've got a really deep understanding of

  • the material perhaps.

  • Exactly right, exactly.

  • That's another major advantage, yeah.

  • Yes, so, the questions, what types of questions can we see?

  • Yeah, so there are

  • there are 13 questions in total.

  • um there's been a change recently so around 13 different questions.

  • I won't go over each oneone by one.

  • That'll take a long time.

  • But I'll just kind of categorize them.

  • So we have the first category which I call 'rapid fire' questions.

  • I'm not sure what the Duolingo Tests really call them, but I call them rapid fire questions

  • because they are quick.

  • You have about four or five different types of questions and you only have between 60

  • and 90 seconds to answer them.

  • Okay.

  • Very quick.

  • So for example, a vocabulary - you get a list of quests… a list of words

  • uh 18 for example.

  • And you have to choose which ones are real English words.

  • Okay.

  • There are a bunch of fake ones and real ones - you choose the real ones.

  • You have 60 seconds to do that.

  • You have a dictation.

  • You know quick one sentence listen and type out what you hear.

  • Okay.

  • And there's reading the sentence out loud, you know, to test your pronunciation.

  • These types of rapid-fire quick questions.

  • So that's within whatthat's within one question youyou said that there are 13

  • questions.

  • There are 13 different types.

  • So one type vocabulary.

  • There are two vocab questions.

  • There's a read aloud question.

  • But rather than go through all of them, I thought I'd categorize them.

  • So those are those questions they come at the at the beginning of the test.

  • I see.

  • Then you have a reading comprehension section which is, you know, kind of standardized.

  • You

  • you read a paragraph and you answer some questions.

  • After that, you have the speaking and writing questions where you have to describe a photo

  • through speaking and writing.

  • And you have to do like longer responses to certain prompts.

  • And then, after that, you have the interview section, where you have to write a response

  • and give an oral response.

  • And the universities can actually view your answers for those.

  • Ah, so that part of the test is on camera.

  • So part of it, it's by the sounds of things, part of the test is perhaps multiple choice,

  • some of it is uh audio through your computer, through the student's computer, and then some

  • of it is on camera as well.

  • Yeah exactly.

  • I see.

  • Year right.

  • It was all kind of filmed

  • like in in the top corner of the screen.

  • You can see your face.

  • But the last section, that's sent to the university you're applying to is.

  • They can see your response through speaking.

  • And they can read your written response.

  • There's anotherthat's another key… a few key points I should mention.

  • um especially for the speaking and writing question, well, especially for the writing

  • questions.

  • For the writing one, you only have five minutes to write a paragraph based on a prompt you're

  • given.

  • Whereas, on the other exams, you typically have around half an hour or 40 minutes.

  • So it's… you have to beyou have to be thinking quite quickly on this exam.

  • You have to read the questions and start typing almost immediately forfor every question.

  • Yeah, so, that's it.

  • That's challenging for students.

  • So by the sounds of things, um, it is a better test of proficiency in general, but it's not

  • necessarily easy by any stretch.

  • It doesn't mean that a student can simply not prepare at all for this test.

  • No, I don't think so.

  • um in terms of it being easier, a lot of people when they see it, they think oh yeah this

  • is easier than the IELTS or TOEFL.

  • And I agree in some to some extent that the, you know, as friendlier, so it looks a lot

  • easier.

  • But there's… it's more of a different skill you have to practice.

  • You have to do things quicker.

  • You have a lot of different types of questions coming at you really fast.

  • So itum yeah, I wouldn't say it's easier.

  • And actually, if you look on the Duolingo Test website, they actually have done a lot

  • of research on this.. related to a comparison between, you know, a student's score and IELTS

  • and the Duolingo and, you know, itit matches up pretty well.

  • From a teacher's perspective, from your perspective, when youwhere you'vepardoned me

  • where you've seen the IELTS, you've seen the TOEFL and you've seen the Duolingo English

  • Test.

  • You've obviously focused your channel on the Duolingo English Test - that leads me to believe

  • that from a teacher's perspective, you think this one is the best choice for students.

  • um well, yeah, I do.

  • I think if the, you know, if the university a student wants to apply for, accepts the

  • test, then yeah 100% I would always takealways advise them to take this exam.

  • uh it's like I said, it's so much cheaper, it's much more accessible, and it's a lot,

  • yeah, it just takes away a lot of stress I think and allows students to perform at the

  • best because they can do it at a time and place where they feel comfortable.

  • Yeah, that's an excellent point as well because, you know, if you're scheduled to take the

  • TOEFL Test or the IELTS Test on a particular day, at a particular time, and you happen

  • to be having an off day or maybe you're maybe something happened, and

  • You have a cold for example.

  • Yeah, yeah exactly or you didn't get much sleep the night before.

  • Well then sorry.

  • You're stuck to their schedule and you've paid that two hundred dollars so that's it.

  • Whereas with the Duolingo English Test, it's up to the student whenever they want, when

  • they feel good, when they feel confident, 'boom,' let's do the test.

  • I'm ready for it.

  • Yeah, exactly likeit's like I said, it's a lot friendlier.

  • It's a lot

  • it's a lot overall

  • it's just a bet a better experience forfor test takers.

  • It kind of want makes me want to take the test and I am a native English speaker.

  • Actually, it's still hard.

  • I've taken it a few times, and after the hour, I was pretty tired, you know, that's

  • a lot.

  • It's very fast.

  • You get a lot of questions uh in a short space of time.

  • And you have to be thinking, you know, even as an English speaker, it was quite exhausting.

  • Did you ace it?

  • Did you get 100 out of 100?

  • Yeah, I got a good score.

  • I know, especially for like the speaking or writing ones, I know how to formulate a good

  • answer to like hit the checkpoints well.

  • That's… that's uhthat's a great point for students to know, is that forfor your

  • channel specifically, you have taken the test.

  • You know exactly what kind of questions are asked.

  • And youand you also know how to answer the questions properly as well.

  • Yeah, right.

  • Yeah, exactly.

  • So, prior from

  • my prior to me starting the YouTube channel, I was a teacher, and I taught academic English,

  • you know, helping students pass the IELTS Test.

  • And a lot of thethe way you have to score high on these tests is actually quite similar

  • with the IELTS and TOEFL in your, let's say speaking or writing answer, you need to show

  • a good awareness of the of the question to answer the question correctly and in detail.

  • You need to show good vocabulary, so using synonyms, or different verb tenses, you know,

  • that kind of stuff.

  • Grammar, um, to use complex sentences in your answer, like this.

  • There's… there are things that willthings you can do and you can practice that will

  • guarantee, guarantees is a strong word, but will help you get a good score.

  • So what kind of toolslet's get to that point now.

  • um we mentioned that there are specific strategies for IELTS and TOEFL where students are taught

  • how to take the test.

  • Yes, um, with Duolingo's English Test, I'm sure that there are methods or strategies

  • that students can cancan learn as well.

  • What types of things are those if you could give an example or two?

  • Yeah, okay, so like I mentioned, the rapid fire questions, the dictation, the vocabulary.

  • That's really a test of your English skills - listening or vocab.

  • But when it comes to the speaking and writing ones, there are things you can practice in

  • order to give a better response.

  • So just for example, um yeah, one of the spoken questions is to describe a photograph and

  • you need to do it for about 90 seconds.

  • Now, I'm not sure about you, but that's quite hard.

  • I was going to say

  • A photo for 90 seconds is a long time.

  • Yeah, so a lot of students, they get a bit stuck.

  • Like they know what to talk about, they know the words, they know what to say, but they

  • can't speak for very long because we don't do that.

  • So there are things like what I teach which can almost like triggers to allow you to speak

  • longer.

  • So you know for example, like you can focus on the location of things in the photograph,

  • go into detail, you know, where

  • where is almost everything located in the photo.

  • You can look at thethe main objects - if they're people or animals like what are they

  • doing using adverbs and adjectives to describe that.

  • Those type of strategies.

  • uh if there's a person in the picture, you could even say, okay think of an emotion and

  • then look at their face and say, oh they I feel likethey must be feeling like this

  • today.

  • And then you can expand on that by saying because perhaps this happened to them in the

  • morning

  • You're allowed to speculate, actually.

  • You canyou can definitely do that on tests.

  • And that's analso a thing I teach is speculation and how to make assumptions based on what's

  • happening in the photo.

  • That would make that a lot easier, right?

  • If you could

  • Well it makes you speak for longer, right?

  • Yeah that's really exactly yeah exactly yeah It's almost like an octopus and it's legs

  • Just look at the octopus's body and then go away eight legs off the body and just find

  • it, yeah… … and then you, yeah exactly, and that's

  • what I teach.

  • So I…

  • I have a website and I have some courses on there and I go through that in a lot of detail.

  • My YouTubeactually I do that

  • my YouTube videos, too, which is obviously for free, but my website has a bit more detail

  • and a few more pdfs you can download.

  • Okay, well let's talk about those right now.

  • So the YouTube channel right now can

  • Give us the name one more time.

  • Yeah, it's a Teacher Luke - Duolingo English Test.

  • um if you just search Duolingo Test, you'llyou'll see my face on the thumbnail.

  • So yeah, that's… that's enough.

  • What's an example of a recent video that you did for your channel?

  • Oh, I didoh, I did spoken phrases to also increase your answer and make your answer

  • a lot smoother.

  • So for example, when you get a spoken prompt, usually you have a topic and then three or

  • four bullet pointed questions, and what a lot of students do is they answer one question

  • and they stop and then answer next and then the next.

  • Which is okay, but to make your answer smoother, and more fluent, which is on the scoring criteria,

  • you can use different phrases to kind of gotransition from one question to the next.

  • Andand move back if you need to.

  • So that was my latest video.

  • Gotcha.

  • Yeah, that's a… that's a goodgood way to teach a student how to be a, or how to

  • appear to be a good conversationalist.

  • Yeah.

  • As well with the ability to kind of keep flowing from one sentence to the next to the next

  • without many interruptions, right?

  • Yeah, transitions, right.

  • Yeah that kind of stuff.

  • What kind of feedback have you gotten from um your subscribers who uhfrom some of

  • your over 200,000 subscribers now?

  • And by the way congratulations.

  • I…

  • I don't thank you I said congratulations on that.

  • That's a wonderful achievement for you.

  • Yeah recently

  • What type of uh feedback have you gotten from the students?

  • uh it's, to be honest, most of the comments are just the 'thank you' comments like

  • you know Teacher, Teacher Luke, they call me Teacher Luke, thank you I got my score

  • just by watching your YouTube videos.

  • Wow.

  • Or um, you know, I actually, I have an application which I've developed and at least they try

  • that they say, 'oh, thank you it helped me a lot'.

  • And most of them just 'thank you' questions.

  • um on the other hand, I do have, you know, some questions about the um the

  • Okay, so if a student breaks a rule on the Duolingo Test, then the test becomes uncertified.

  • So for example, like ifif you're because you take it at home, you need to make sure

  • your

  • your eyes are pretty much uh looking at your computer the whole time,

  • You can't go away because they need to validate the test and make sure that no one's cheating,

  • right.

  • Off someone

  • could be off camera show yeah okay

  • There are a lot

  • there are lots of rules students need to follow.

  • um so I do get a lot of emails about students or comments um saying you know can you help

  • me, I keep

  • I keep breaking this rule by mistake, basically.

  • um it's very

  • it's kind of hard for me to respond to those questionsto those types of comments but

  • um yeah Yeah.

  • So it's basically two.

  • I have 'thank you' comments and 'help me' comments.

  • Pleaseplease help me stop breaking this rule.

  • Right well goodness

  • thank goodness that's not a rule for me.

  • I think I've looked away from the camera numerous times during the chat

  • It's just a natural reaction for people, right?

  • It is, unfortunately, it is, but yeah I know it is.

  • And I feel sorry for students because it's not easy to stare at your computer the whole

  • time for a whole hour.

  • Yeah.

  • But, you have to remember that this Duolingo Test, they are allowing you to take the test

  • from home.

  • And they have to make sure it's secure because it needs to be a reliable test, so you need

  • to focus on uh following the rules.

  • um the test is pretty

  • they're pretty kind though the Duolingo because if you break a rule, you can actually take

  • the test again for free.

  • Oh, that's a great thing to know.

  • Yeah that's… that's…

  • I think that's very generous of them.

  • Theyyou'll get an email saying, our proctor found that you were looking away from up to

  • a three secup to five seconds or something andcan't do that so here's a you know

  • a free coupon or something like that.

  • I think they get threethree goes.

  • Okay, for the practice tests umand then there are practice tests for the students

  • to take?

  • Yeah, on my website.

  • Yeah.

  • Okay, wonderful.

  • So yeah I was just gonna say we'll get to the website in in just a sec but I wanted

  • to ask, during the student's practice test, do they get flagged or is there any guidance

  • that they might be breaking a rule?

  • No, unfortunately, not.

  • No, no.

  • So thatthat could be something that's the Duolingo team

  • I could suggest themthat's actually quite a good thing to do because actually on the

  • Duolingo website, you can do a 10-minute practiceto practice test so that could be that could

  • be good for them toto flag those type of rules.

  • So from your website, students can get specific guidance from you, recommendations from you

  • on how they should be answering the questions.

  • That's the YouTube material.

  • uh when we go to the website, what do we get from your website?

  • Yeah, so I have twolet's call them 'products' - two things I…

  • I sell on the website.

  • So I have courses - where students can take more detailed lessons from me, right.

  • YouTube is a bit um

  • no, I focus, I do very good I know I…

  • I try very hard to make my YouTube videos as good as possible.

  • But the nature of YouTube means that you can't really organize lessons into a course because

  • YouTube's a bit more like just individual videos, whereas on my website, my courses

  • are very organized.

  • We go through strategies from like, you know, sentence one to sentence ten in your step-by-step

  • strategies.

  • And also there's pdfs they can download.

  • On top of that, I have

  • I developed an application - a web app - where students can actually take thousands

  • I think maybe 10,000 practice questions and get instant feedback.

  • Wow.

  • So it sounds like the complete package then.

  • From the website, they can have the course material where it's a… it's a step-by-step

  • process.

  • And then as a supplement, and correct me at any point if I'm wrong, but as a supplement

  • go to your YouTube channel and learn some guidance there.

  • But also, just learn some in general stuff that can help you with the test.

  • And then the app.

  • Well that's just convenient.

  • And you can get lots of help from that and use it whenever you want to.

  • Use it on your subway commute you know to school or something like that.

  • Yeah, exactly.

  • So when I… it was about a year ago, I started developing these

  • these um toolsand I thought to myself, okay so what can

  • I what can I actually do you know help the students in the most like organized way?

  • I thought of it of learn and practice.

  • Learnyou learn the strategies from my YouTube or my online courses.

  • Learn lots about the test.

  • But then you need to practice it and get feedback.

  • So that's where the practice app came intocame into play.

  • And that was months of hard work, uhsleepless nights, but we got it done.

  • And it works very well.

  • And yeah we got a lot of good feedback fromfrom that.

  • Fantastic.

  • So what are your final words?

  • As talking to your students, or potential subscribers right now, why should they come

  • to Luke Jone's Duolingo English Test uh practice uh app or the YouTube channel or

  • or the website what

  • what do they get?

  • Sell it to us.

  • Yeah well I'd actually

  • yeah it's a good point.

  • So if a student wants to certify their English, I strongly recommend taking the Duolingo Test

  • as we've talked about throughout this conversation.

  • It's affordable, accessible, much

  • much more friendly exam.

  • And I think that because of the way it's set up, you can actually achieve a better score.

  • Not because the Test is easier, but because you feel comfortable and more relaxed.

  • If you want to take that test, then of course come to my YouTube to study.

  • We have

  • I have hundreds of videos onon YouTube for free.

  • And my products, which I…

  • I do sell on my website.

  • uh the cheapthe most expensive ones like $14 so I try to make it affordable for all

  • students.

  • And yeah you can contact me.

  • I sometimes do livelive lessons where I can interact with my audience as well so

  • Wonderful.

  • I'm around to

  • I'll do my best to answer your questions basically and help you as much as I can.

  • All right so well let's go over it one more time to make sure we've got it all.

  • The YouTube channel is called

  • Yeah, Teacher Luke - Duolingo English Test.

  • The website isdetready.com Duolingo English Test.

  • And the app is called

  • That's on the website.

  • You can do the website you can access it through the website.

  • Yes, very good.

  • Well Luke Jones, once again congratulations to you on your success.

  • um this is a really interesting trend I think in the English as a second language uh community

  • where you know everyone is familiar with IELTS, everyone is familiar with TOEFL, but maybe

  • not everyone around the world is familiar with this new uh, maybe perhaps better option,

  • the Duolingo English Test.

  • Good luck in your future.

  • Good luck with all of your endeavors and thanks so much for uh being on speaking uh Speak

  • English Fluently today.

  • It was a pleasure.

  • Yeah thank you so much.

  • That was a lot of fun, thanks a lot.

  • Well thank you once again to Luke Jones uh for joining me on Speak English Fluently.

  • That was a lot of fun to learn about that particular topic and once again I wish Luke

  • success in the future.

  • If you want to check out some more interviews that I did from my own channel, you can search

  • Storytime Steve Hatherly, simply story time one word, and then Steve Hatherly.

  • My channel will pop up there.

  • Lots of fun interviews that you can enjoy, too.

  • uh, again, thank you to Luke Jones for joining me on Speak English Fluently and I hope you'll

  • come back next time.

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