字幕列表 影片播放 列印英文字幕 2 of cross examination of amber heard starting now. >> Good morning Mister morning. Your relationship with MR. That began in October of 2101 right that's correct. You previously testified multiple times under oath that the first year of your relationship with Mister dopp was the best of times right to search that is correct. He testified that as far as you could tell Mister Depp was sober atth first year. That is correct that's what he used to believe. Not the first year was quote magic. Yes I estimated it was about a ye.ar But now you've told this jury that Mister Depp was bngei violent with you throughout 2012 having to miss her. No he took a break in the middle of 2012 and he was sober. He was hitting you 1220 though right. He was hitting me in 2012 he just took a break in the mide.dl He was smashing things around you right. You told them that Mister Depp was in and out of sobriety in 2012 and is correct. He told this jury then to quote in 2012, I was in the gibenning stages of this just learning these patterns I was learning that drinking kind correlated with the violence. End quote that right that is correct. So was during the cycles of violence in 2012 that you gave Mister Depp a knife as a gift. I gave him a knife. I think for a birthday prest enearly in our relationship I believe it was around 2012. But I'm not certain. We see a picture of that knife but I did think we should bring out the real thi.ng Master deputy master deputy sheriff Lew idsa police have you. Show the knife to misheard. That's a knife y gouave to the man who was hitting you right misheard. I was worried he was going to stab you with that I give it to him that's for certain. But you gave it to him while he was abusing you allegedly gave it to him that year. Master deputy sheriff Lou sent you please show that knifeo t the jury. This is the night he gave to the man who would get drunk dan violent with you right. This is the same night that gave him as a president in 2012, yes. Now he's heard I'm going to need to talk to you about what happened Australian March of 2015. You testified that at some point during the incident you described you witness Mister dopp bashing phone against the wall right. That is correct you testified that the phone was breakgin into pieces. I was watching it disappear. Mister Depp smash and I think your word was smithereens yes that is corrt.ec And according to your testimony, this is a wall-mounted phone in the rba area that is correct. Let's take a look at denseef exhibit 1, 8, to 0. We believe this has already been admitted into evidence if he could have it publish.ed You saw this photo during uryo direct examination right that is correct you testieifd that the wall-mounted phone that you saw Mister Depp's Nash is on the wall on the left. That's correct. So if you're lookinatg this picture. >> The wall the wall mounted phone and then behind you on the left-hand si odef your show. >> It's not too big to depicted in this photo cracked. >> Whoever took this photo standing right in front of where that mountain from West. The pieces of the phone Mister Depp smashed on in this picture either right. You don't see it because it's whoever took this photo standing in front of that. We're took this photo,t's i Mister Ben King correct. That's what I believe Mister King testified under oath in this trial right atth is correct. And he testified that there was no wall-mounted found smashed to smithereens that he had to replace correct. I didn't hear him testify to that now. The council is ttha it. I disagree with that representation. We also saw this picture. Actually can we please bring up defendant's exhibit 1, 8, to one. Which is also admitted into evidence. We also saw this picture during your direct examination correct that is correct. And so this is the bar area to the right of the wall-mounted fun, you just descrid.be If you are facing in that direction if you're fangci destruction behind you. This phone on the countersnd a the phone the got smashed to smithereens isn't know they brought that it testimony in the UK as well and I said this in the UK trial as well that that is not obviously because owns a smash and it's not wall mound.te So there are 2 phones in the bar area. There there was a wall-mounted phone I don't know if it was decorative or what but it was way like it loodke antique large an antique and and the largest antique e onthat's not depicted in any photograph, including ones you took tishe one that Mister Depp damage correct that is correct I only 2 pictures them years. So there's no picture of that damage from I didn't take a picture of it w.no So back to the phones national you watch this or that smashed the phone right. Thast' correct. I watched it. You testified that you we qreuote watching the phone every single time he pulled his hand back and quote that's correct and according to you this is when Mister dot stlo the tip of the stinger right is my best guess I didn't notice his finger. Come off obviously I smashed the phone and watching the pieces break while he was doing it well it's not your best guess. It's hard that is my next guest, yes, let's go back to my you submitted a declaration under the penalty of perjury in this case to remember not that is correct, let's look at that declaration. Direct your attention misheard to the. Page 14, but the decoration. Is that your signature. Your signature appears rhtig under the statement quote I declare under peltnay of perjury. Under the laws of the state of Virginia that the foregoing is true in crash. That is correct. This is dadte 4/10/2019. Correct now let's look at paragraph 16 which is on page 5. Specifically line 10. Testify under oath. While he was smashing the phone Johnny severely injured his finger cutting off the top of it and quote I read that correctly yes that's corrt.ec So you testified in this urcotroom that after Mister Duff smashed the phone he held you down in the countertop by the neck. Remember that I'm not make sure the exact sequence of things but yes, both of theos things happened. We'll get to the sequence and this is when Mister Depp supposedly assaulted you with a bottle rig.ht On the countertop peaceful to me so Mister Depp was able to get you on the counter rig.ht You know we'd amendment neck and hold you down by your neck. And he grabbed a bottle according to you. By holding you down by the neck cracked right can you clarify what you're asking me. While Mister Depp is holding y bouuy the next against the countertop he grabs a bottle that's your testimony. No those 2 things didn't happen athet exact same time now. While he's so he's holding the bottle cited testimonyas w holding down by the neck. What w yasour question. Your testimony is mishrdea that either he has a bottle before or after he's holding him by the neck on the counter that your testimony he how we y the neck on the counter. That he is what he was holding you down by the neck. >> When he was assaulting me with the bottle of his in his hand. >> Was it in his hand before after he holds you down by Turner. >> I was being held down while his soul to be with the bottle. >> When he puts you on the counter does he have the botetl in his hand, yes, or no. >> As I have always said I don't remember exactly what happened first I don't remember the sequence I just remember being aware that I was being assaulted aby bottle while I was on the countertop so he penetrates with this bottle. But you don't know how he got the ball rhtig it is And he did that right after he lost the tip of his right middle finger again. I don't remember the exact sequence of those events we'll get to the sequence and while he was on 8 to 10 and the maple llsHi right. Yes. Let's talk about the sequence this is a sequence of events you testified to in this courtroom and he smashed the phone to smithereens and insulted you. Lost the tip of the singer and then assaulted you with a bottle yes that's the sequence of events that uyo testified to in this room to be clear you're putting it in order when you say words like then. I have never claimed that I can remember the exact sequence of these things. This was a multi-day assault that took place over 3 horrible day is hrd weae're seeing her demeanor not time he's heard that's that's not my question. My question is about the three-day assault allegedly that occurred. I'm just talking about the sexual assault that you know allege occurred. Yeah, but let's talk about the sequence. So you testified. Copy of day 16 in front of The 16 yes of my deposition and now of the court transcript from the strike. Oh yes I didn't realize that just yet. Let's look at the transcript. So you testified on gepa getting there 4, 5, 0, 6, And the reason that we need to go through this concert is because we understand that these are very serious allegations that you're making right. I happen to me, yes, okay, so let's go through them. Page 4, 5, 0, 6 flying to through 3 I sit here n.ow You testified on page 4, 5, 0, 6, this all started when Mister Depp took 8 or 10 pills of MDMA rit.gh Their attention to page 4, 5, 1, 8, Why 19. You talk about Mister Depp smashing a wall-mounted phe.on Correct that is correct. Then on page 4, 5, 1, 9, At line 3. You testified that while Mister Depp a smashing phone he's. >> My mother thinks. >> And further down on page 4, 5, 1, 9 same page nesli 12 through 19. You talk about how you watch Mister Depp smashed the phone to smithereens. Right. Continuing on the same page 4, 5, 1, 9, line 20 you y something really important. At some point he's on top of me no phone but screening the same thing. >> And quote right just remember the sound yes. You testified to this jury. He didn't have a phone in his hand anymore when he was assaulting that the bottle he had the bottle in his hand and enwh he was punching a wall with the phone in the phone in his hand when he was punching the law makes my head he had me byhe t truck. He did a lot of things at night. >> Cyr knowledge by the sequence, not my words, your words misheard you testified to this jury and Mister Depp smashed the phontoe smithereens before he assaulted you. I have a way that the sequencing whicyouh testified correct. I have never testified to a sequence. Talking about that sequence that on page 4, 5, to one. Starting at line 3. u testified to being bent over backwards on the bar. >> All right sidebar cool so and Robinson Eric per year on a mackerel so an. >> Coming out swinging as like Mike Tyson in dressed as Olivia pope. >> Right exactly and that's that's what she's doing she's drawing the attention away from him I heard to herself so that the jury is focusing on on the content of her questions, she's testifying and giving the jury things to think about through her questions and amber heard still is not conceding even theasic b things that would actually help for this cross examination to go bett.er >> Well I would agree there this cross is already going badly for misheard and it's only getting worse right now bbyeing so argumentative by not a good meeting just simple facts esh is making the jury. trust the rest of her statements or credibility is suffering as a result and even just looking at the gallery here you know we don't see the jury of course we can see the B one. >> The gallery and a lot of them don't seem to be too receptive you can't imagine the jurors are seeing it much differently. >> Let's go back inside our zo.ne >> Directing your attention misheard to page, 4 5, 2, 1, starting at line 3. He testified to being bent over backwards on the bar right that is correct. And then feeling pressure on your pubic bone like Mister Depp was punching you. Yes, that's what I thought and then further down on page 4, 5, to one. And on 2, 4, 5, to 2. You testified that you are concerned Mister Depp was using a broken bottle and you yes. That was my fear. What I remember feeling. It's sort of going to show you defendant's exhibit 1, 8, 1, 6, Just already been admitted, yes. Ma'am thank you. It saw this picture during your dirtec examination right I didn't. And you testified that this is a picture of the bottles that were next Mister Depp on a desk when you found him drinking in the morning. Right thast' correct. This was the morning after Mister Depp had allegeydl sexually assaulted you right it washe t morning after he did assault me. Yes and if I understood your testimony correctly testified that thiiss the makers Mark bottle that Mister dopp sexually assaulted you with I was never sure it was but it was definitely that shape felt like that shape. He testified in this courtroom they have not seen this bottle until Ben King provided these photographs correct. Not of course the trial hadn't seen the photogra.ph You claim you had serious injuries after this alleged incident right misheard. Depends on what you would call a serious for me. >> You know having a sore Johnson At the time of my relationship wasn't that let's testify, let's focus on the testimony that you gave about the injuries. As you testified yesterday wears rings on every finger right, sometimes I mean often and certainly in the later part of our relationship that was more normal than not but if you filming or something like that. Of course is not going to have his own jewelry your testimony. In this trial was quote I don't know if I ever known Johnny not to wear rings. >> Correct you need to put your microphone on miss. Thank you objection, your eye improper impeachment there she's going to ask a question that he has to show where that was through the objection. Thank you. >> Your testimony yesterday was quote I don't know if I've ever known Johnny not to wear rings. Sir that's why testify to yes and he was wearing ringsn o every finger in Australia, correct or not all the time not literally every single ring every single day, but the often more strings. Not often this heard your words are I've never known Johnny not to wear rgsin on every finger. That is what I testified to. You testified that you glad as a result of the sexual assault, correct. You testified that your forearms were caught. My forms of my feet and your feet were sliced up. You testified you had a bruise across your job. And there's not a single medical record reflecting treatment for any of those injuries is there misheard I didn't ese treatment. And the day after he sustained all these injuries doctor Dadvi Kipper came to the House in Australia right. Well he came the Along with security. The day after you sustained these injuries, this doctor David Kipper came along with nurse Debb Bieoyd correct. We'll have that fight went into the morning like early hour morning. So technically atth last d.ay Doctor David Kipper as Mister Depp's or was Mister physician ght. I believe he still I was at the time, yes that's correct. And he was also your physician. He also saw me now not saw you he was your physician correct concert at Johnny was the client but he also treat me.ed You remember giving testimony in this case in a deposition, MR. Yes, I do have given a couple. We could pull up the deposition day too. 5.89 line 6 throug8.h We're going to play this hurts deposition for the jury. Lines day to page 5.40 line 6 to 9. We have permission to publish it. And you think you might just give me, I'm sorry day to gepa 5.89 line 60. I could just give us a minute to get course credit 89 and so with that in mind page 5.89 line 6 throhug 8. Can you say fine for yrou Friday, 5.89. Lines 6 through 8 all right. Thank you thank you, I have no objection. >> And he was your doctor this point right yes, us. >> Debbie Lloyd also came to the House that day. Yes you can with skipper miss Lloyd is a nurse cracked that is correct. Malcolm Connelly also came to the House that day. Mister Connelly is one of the security guards, correct that is correct. You had known Mister Connelly for years at that and yes that's corrt.ec He flew back to Los Angeles the next day with Ben King sat rit.gh I can't be certain if it the next day or the day after but somewhere around there. Yes. And the day you right back in Los Angeles he saw Travis mcgivern correct. I don't recall seeing. Travis known. You recall Mister mcgivern picking you up from the airport with Ben King. I don't remember that now. The same Elsa so your owners. Aaron Brown for the lottery that day correct the day arrived in Los Angeles. I don't recall eyth saw that day. The summit's floods testimony in this case by video deposition correct that is correct and you heard her stteified that she saw you the day you right back from Australia on 3/9/2015 I believe she testified that she came to dinner. When I was with friends and I believe that so she saw you that day I believe that evening Iaw s her dinner. And then you saw Aaron Brown fatila again the next day for a private meeting didn't y.ou I'm not sure if that if that's what she testified to have to see the records to know you heard her testify, according to her notes she met with you privately on 3//210015. She met with me at some point upon my arrival but I don't remember the exact date. And when you were in Australia, misheard you didn't take any pictures that the injuries you claim to have sustained right I did not take any pictures wno but you did take 2 pictures. At years I took 2 pictures in the bathroom mirrors was the master bathroom where I was. Let's please pull up defendant's exhibit 3, 7, 4, which islr aeady in evidence. You took this picture right Mister yes that's correct. And this is a mayor in the bathroom in Australia. That's correct. And this block pain time nears for Mister Dunn that is correct here out in the mirror and block pain after his finger was cut off rit.gh But I only know that because it was blooasd well as Pete. So you took this picture aerft Mister Depp had injured his fingers, correct. This was while I was packing winds leaving. That's right folks aren't that's. But the qutiesons I. He took this picture after Mister dopp had injured his finger that's great. He took this picture after you have allegedly been assaulted by Mister Depp yes that's correct. You can catch yourself mayor did you. See myself in the mirror now. Let's please pulupl defendant's exhibit 3, 7, 5, He took this picture as well right misheard that's correct and this is from one of the bathroom mirrors in Australia. That's correct. This is also picture taken after Mister Depp had injured his finger. And this is also picture taken after you allegedly been assaulted by MR. That's correct. You can catch yourself in the mirror and this picture either did you do not see myself mayor in that picture is that because you didn't have any visible injuries on you because of taking picture the writing. t'Les talk about the writing on the smr.ea So the writing and black pain is for Mister that correct it's often stirred up and it's your testimony under oath that you did not write the red tax that says quote call Carly Simon she said it better baby and that's that's correct. Because if you did right that means that your husband was walking around the house bleeding from his amputated finger and you're writing snarky messages to him on a mere right. I don't know your question to me is I'm sorry. Let's please take a lookt a defense exhibit 1, 8, 3, 0, I believe this pick this pictures also admitt iednto evidence. This is a picture of the same air right that's correct you can take this picture. No I did not this is when the Ben King took and I don't see him in there either. He is and believe he claimed he had injuries though is that right. I did not thinking talk about his injuries now. He would agree misheard that the bloc tax and the mayor says quote. She loves naked phosto of herself. So modern so hot. I have not read that yet I mean before, but yeah that's what it says. They were taking pictures of the text you have not read that before. I haven't seen this and didn't make sense to me at the time I read it in person. Again Mister duprex that I don't know who seel would have. So Mister just be clear it your testimy onthat Mister Depp also wrote the message uyo and about Carly Simon saying a better right that's correct, you know, Carly Simon sing the song you're so vain, right. I was told that. So it's your testimony that Mister Depp was writing messages to himself in the mirror back and forth. The best I can describe it is it look likeA. crazy conversation. I was on the was within sight and shades of Zahn cushions your testimony the cop crazy conversations with himself. That's it look like from the but the message is I found you would agree with me that in this photograph, the red tax distance much with black paint right. Yes. Please pull up if we can defendant's exhibit 3,, 5 excuse me 3, 7, 5, again. Smudges and in this picture thatou y took right. That's correct. MR. Dot must have not liked his own message himself. I'm not quite sure what was happening when then took that put the and his photograph n.ow Please pull up latest exhibit 3 for 3 which is already in evidence and play portion from. One 5721 through one 5485 recording your honor. ♪ ♪ >> You >> don't escape the fight you escape the solution you escape the It's scape. >> Figure you know wcanne ot work it out if you want a way to the bathroom every time and listen to me. This is me. ♪ ♪ >> Boxer c.an There are around. Just keeps mounting dan mounting in mounta.in This is what really happened in Australia isn't misheard. I did knock on a bathroom door. Not a bathroom door, 5 bathrmoo doors and 2 bedrooms that is why not accurate historian of what happened during that miss your time again is heard that's not my question. 5 bathroom doors 2 bedrooms that's what you knocked on. That's what actually happened. Australia isn't it MR. I was there so I remember I knocked on one bathroom door I came on the first night after he decided to take the bacofk India may. Parents check on her and so we move to strike everything afrte I knocked on one back. >> You know that she's answering the question. But that's not quite so I will sustain the objection just answer the question of Cayman. The recording we just listen to what exactly would have. Lost the tip of his finger after he threw a bottle atim h is not right. That is incorrect. You're the one who assaulted someone with the bottle and Australia isn't that right MR. I didn't missile Johnny and Australia in Johnny, a or I couldn't and then after he was injured. He had to hide from you right that is a guy that threw means 2 bedrooms that is incorrt.ec Because he was avoiding tainglk to you right. He did that first night when he was a boy to talk to him about the drugs a hend was avoiding working it t.ou >> I have a a. >> A mixed relationship with Johnny and one in which I scared one which I love him very much not talking about your next relationship. >> That night in Australia after you could office finger with a bottle. You weren't scared of him at all where you. >> This is a man who tried to kill me course, it's Kerry is also my husband. Sort of a show you what's been marked as defendants exhibit 3, 7, 1, >> Want to be on our continuing coverage of Johnny Depp for says amber heard the this morning. It is amber hedar on the defense Camille. >> Ask us on the attack day 2 of cross examination is picking up right where we left off. >> Do not believe these have been admitted into evidence no. We can scroll down plee.as It's better off if you don't have your microphone and I cannot hear you. You still don't have a. I did take a look at the unredacted from an honor just bear with me. I'm not admitting it into evidence yet I would like to just talk to the witnses about a good thank you are. It certainly show you what's been marked as defendasnt exhibit 3, 7, 1, Do you recognize these text messages between uyo doctor Cowan. I don't recognize the owsn who's doctor count. He was on my therapist was recommended to me for doctor he a doctor can work togeth.er Here's your therapist at the time correct that's correct. You have been seeing him for almost a year in March of 15.20 My guess would be about 6 months at that poi.nt Your text messages are in great correct your horon I'm going. >> I'm going to ask that she show her the unredacted o soto that she can see the text exchange back and forth because he wants to talk about what later good. Thank you pull it out. >> Seeing these unredacted messages just this profession recollection that these are indeed communications betwnee you and doctor Callan. Yes, that's corrt.ec Doctor your text messages are in great correct. And doctor calendar in blue. You see the text message at the bottom of the page from March 8th. 2015 at 08:29PM. Yes, that's corre.ct March 8th is the day that you were allegedly sexually assaulted by Mister Depp in Australia, correct that is correct. On 3/8/2015 you are in Australia. And Mister Depp's finger had just been cut off right that is correct and you write doctor Kao UNQUOTE. I feel so lost. I can't ta.lk I dot n'know if I'll ever be able to change and quote I read that correctly that's correct. You are unable to change where you misheard. >> I very much wanted to leave the relationship I was in but I didn't. Have the power, I didn't feel I had the power to leave Ine kw I was in a very toxic relationship with Johnny. And I knew I needed to change that I knew it was at this pot.in is often about the exhibit. >> Defendants exhibit 3, 7, 1, has redacted would just miss hurts messages, sorry your honor I ject beak as she has left out the next 2ines l for MR. Or that clarify even further and I also think it's right on time wins because yeah that's probably why thiss. i A>>ll A side After. >> A little bit of a heated exchange there. So Robinson Eric prayer still with us. Summing up for us right >> it seems as though Camilla Vasquez has and we heard a little bit on the ros.pe But amber heard is not giving in your your thoughts on where this is going and how it's going for both sides. >> I think again that her amber heard's team is doing her a disservice by not just telling her can see to the small point and that will absolutely take the steam out of Camille as cross exam the nation, it's because amber heard is getngti into an argument with Camille during cross examination in front of the jury those 2 just conceding no she doesn't have photographs no shooting captures you know she didn't take pictures of her injury and moving on she keeps arguing and that is showing the jury that she has a tendency to be argumentative even when she heard the audio recording esh wouldn't just concede a small point she kept trying to bring out what her perspective of the audio was and I think that's used. It she's just doing yourself a disservice on the stand I think that Camille is trying to take back control of her cross examination from the ctions asking for sidebar because she doesn't want this to be take away from what shse' doing and what she's bringing up. The amber heard sohe s saying let's go inside of our house, the discussions as opposed to having the back and forth with the attorneys in onfrt of the jury which is a smart move. >> It during this cross, the allege bottle rape in Australia was brought up your thoughts in the way that it was brought upnd a how the rating. The wall it was insinuated Miss heard may have written at least one of those phrases the Carly Simon one. How is that handled in your view by MS. Vazquez. >> I think miss Vasquez today get an excellent job and she's she's been on fire throughouthist cross examination and I think she handled the bottle situation, the writing in the audio by comnibing all of that together she was able to undermine amr'sbe credibility anind doing so. >> She she's essentially giving the jury the option of deciding is all of what miss her to does it all make sense to you or can you see the cracks can you see the flaws can you see the fact that this looks fabricated and I can't see into the mind the jurors but just more I'm sitting it does seem to me that this pass kuz is doing such an excellent job on this to the jury has to say you know wt.ha >> this extended sidebar will here is a slip that a commercial break so and Robinson thanks as always for your time and your expertise this morning helping us get through this we'll get a break in here as we approach theop t of the hour and we when wcomee back we'll be more examination bill Vasquez going after amber heard is amb >> I welcome back to courto t be live. We want to get you right back into the courtroom for the continuation of the cross examination of amber heard will pick it up right after that sidar.eb >> So you write misheardo t doctor Callan I feel so lost accounts talk, I don't know if I'll ever be able to change. >> And I said it clearly can't figure this out meaning the relationship. Your text messages clearly I can't figure this out I feel so lost right now. Wh Iat was saying to him I get hurt this has hurt that's not my queion.st >> The text just text that was what you tax it clearly I can't figure this out I feel so lost right now that's that's what we say okay. >> Attorney can just for clarification so those 2 next lines did come and they are in the okay all right, thank you. Mister you contend that there's another incident of abuse in Marcofh 2015 after you and Mister Depp returned from Australia is that correct. That's correct. And this is incident took place on 3/23/2015. That's correct and the supposedly occurred in the penthouse at the Eastern Columbia building. You had found text messages between Mister dopp another woman right that is correct see confronted him about cheating on you. This was about 2 weeks after you had returned from Australia. So this is shortly after Mister dopp supposedly sexually assaulted you with a bottle right. It was 2 weeks after he assaulted me, yes we decided to confront him about cheating on you. I I didn't decide to li.fe Mister dusting or was freshly injured at this point right here the cast on it. The top of his right finger had been cut off 2 weeks prior. He had a penance finger true. I don't reca illn the pen was place, is at' skin graft. I'm not quite sure yet several different procedures and they were kind of spread out over a perd ofio time so I don't remember what happened in one of those actually procedures was to treat them or set that got on his finger to write at some point I knew he had an infection. Miss right hand was an abandoned train that was casted. So it's your testimony ttha Mister Depp was able to attack both you and your sister whit his hand in that state right that is correct. He had a hard plaster cast on it. Debbie Lloyd was present in the penthouse is when Mister Depp supposedly attacked you it's not correct. That's correct. In fact you claim that Mister Depp through a red bull can't miss Lloyd that evening. Yes, that's correct. And you put in a sworn statement to that effect in the UK case right that is correct. That's not true is .it You know what a depositions i right mustard I've had several yes, you know, it's when someone provides testimony under oath. Near where that Miss Lloyd was deposed in connection with this case correct that's true. And misslo Lyds deposition testimony was played earlier in this trial all right I'm good take and we approach all right. >> Okay another sidebar the continuation of the cross examination. This is day 2 of you just joining us who MR. I she came out swinging ddi could build it. >> Ask as and has been going toe to toe with the ever heard all morning long. And so far ever does is answering each and every one of these questions but one would argue that there are blows being delivered via e quthestioning and the supporting documents being pridoved by Camille Vasquez looks like the side bars broken up let's go back in. >> Deposition misheard you know it's when someone provides stimony under oath right that's correct your where the Miss Lloyd was supposed connection with this case that's correct. And so it's deposition testimony was played earlier in this trial. Yes, so you heard miss Lloyd testify der unoath Mister Depp never threw a can of red bull at h.er I can't if she didn't run if she did. >> Recall that or is she said it didn't happen. I don't remember. I vaguely said she didn't recall anything. So it's your testimony that Miss Lloyd wood r.fo >> Get that Mister Depp very famous patient of hers threw a can red bull that nearly Mister according to year's version of events. >> To be fair I just don't remember if she said when she testified that she didn't recall that incident or if it didn't happen, I don't remember at she testified to but I have a big sense and she didn't recall much at all. She testified in this courtroom. Mister dopp never threw a can read the letter. That was her testimony wasn't. I don't recall what her testimony was with regar tods that one incident now you actually filed a complaint against this Lloyds nursing license right before she was supposed to be deposed in this case didn't you. >> No I don't I don't believe I did were you aware that someone filed a complaint against Floyd's nursing license in connection with her care of Mister dept for failing to report abuse. No I had no eaid in the first person to let you know that to testimony under oath that was new that is my has money I didn't even know about that now. Travis mcgivern was also present Mister Depp's posley talk to you correct. Iatn some point. You heard his testimony that was actually you punch. Mister Depp isn't that right. It's always been my own testimony that I hit Johnny and and you throwing things thatR. M I hit him. >> Defense of my sister I didn't have anything to throw at him I never thr aewnything at him. I hit him when he attacked me and my sister specifically when he movedor f her. That's what hit him. S>>ince your testimony under oath you through nothing at Mister dopp Mister mcgovern's line. I have thrown things I John I know we're not not a A and that you think not that acute not not on that occasion that your testimony Mister mcgovern imagine that you were throwing things that Mister dopp from the mezzanine level down towards where Mister dopp and Mister mcgovern for sending 20 certainly wasn't going to say about his client. It's hard you Mister dopp kepat journal together didn't you. You wrote each other messages in that journal right that is tr.ue If we could please pull a plaintiff's exhibit, 91. Only going to be showing certain portions of this so if we could please call this plaintiff's exhibit, this is the journal that you and Mister dopp kept with chea other in electronic form correct. That is correct and if you can scroll through these arale l entries you made in the journal correct. I'm going to move for the admission of plants exhibit And I've gone ahead and redacted Mister Depp's writings as on hearsay grounds, I'm determined we're okay. >> Welcome back tour continuing coverage on it versus amber heard it is day 2 of the cssro examination of amber heard want to pick you pick it up right where we left off after that sidebar let's get you back into court. >> You could please publish this to the jury. 91 in evidence thank you ove objections. This is a picture that's on the inside cover of love notebook. This is a picture of you Mister Depp that's correct. You're an Australian this picture aren't you. Yes, that's much later once we returned. You can see that Mister De'spp right hand is bandage right. Yes that correct that was after it had recovered significantly that's not what it looked like during the incident were just talking abt.ou So is the picture after the events in Australia March of 2015 credit. Yes, a photograph was taken months later. We have the jury look at tha photograph again plee. Let's now turn to page. 3 This is you wrote in the journal to Mister dopp correct. That's a looks like s.ye This is actually the first know you wrote him in this jourl. I don't remember what the first it w.as The date on this note is 5/22/2015 that that is correct that was done your honeymoon period. This is just a little bit over 2 months after the events in Australia in March of 2015. All right. That's correct. We were back even face that was the period of brsoiety is book that yesterday when Mister Depp after Mister Duff had allegedly assaulted you with a bottle right. It was after the stairs and it was after the Australian todayye, s, and he got clean and sober and we went back to Australia. It's also 2 months after. Mister you punch Mister debt because you allegedly thought he was going to do your sister down the stairs right I hit him whehe swung at my sister and this is written months later, yes, you thohtug he was going through. Your sister down the stairs like he had thrown Kate Moss down the stairs right he swung at Whitney and I I heard a rumor. A big rumor about that. And so it's what I thought .of Its first message to Mister Depp in your journal you rig. True love isn't about just the madness of passion or instead picking the satyfe of peace. Now it's about having both falling madly in love wit your for and that is what has surpris me perhaps most that I have seen in you the true bones of friendship and respect but of course I still perhaps mor than ever want to rip you apart. Devour you and savor the taste front not. Yes to love them. I read that correctly yes you did your slim right th'sat corrt. I'm not going to ask you to take a look at the very last entry Road in Stern which ses to be from April 8th. That would be 4/8/2016 correct. I'm not quite sure I don't see the year written on there and I don't recognize it. Yeah. Would be a couple weeks April and could be a couple weeks before your birthday right that's correct just to confirm this is you wrote to Mister dopp right. That's going to guess and on the second page of the snow you wrote the followg. I'm sorry I can get crazy, I'm sorry I hurt you like you I can get with it when I'm hurt when I fee provoked shattered. And la night I was I felt abandoned about lily rose thing will absolutely be will dirt about you're not coming home omyn last night here. I was heartbroken and any after many attempts in vain on my part to rectify the tusiation and make amends on them last night what was otherwise a court to strip with you, I'm so sorry for my part, none of this is meant to be an excuse for hurting you because the truth is nothing is there's never reason good enough to are you are you are the last thing the whole world he deserves it last pers Ion ever meant to hurt. I lo you Steve I'm forever, yours slim that I read that correctl that's correct. Mister let's take a look at defense exhibit 4 to 3 which i already in evidee. This is a picture of you with what appears to be straight d marks on her arms, correct. Those are scars from the bron glass. And there are straigh and red right I disagree with how you characterize But they are red yes and there on your left arm. Yes, that's correct. Sir do you have a history of cutting yourself don't you I do not. You cut your arm one says the teenager is not right noI said I wanted to when I was on birth control pills and I was a teenager right. I thought crazy and I said I felt suicidal. It's your testimony under oath that you didn't report t doctor Hughes you're retained psychologist that you had cut yourself as a teenager once I said I told my mom that I wantedo. t It certainly heard some testimony from yesterday autbo a trip you and Mister day took on a train in Southeast Asia to recall ttha yes that's correct. That was when Mister dopp went on yr honeymoon tree correct that's correct. And that was in July of 2015. Yes, that sounds right, let's take a look at plaintiff's exhibit 1, 6, 2, which is already in evidence. You are here in this courtroom right misheard when Malcolm Conley testified to taking thi picture. That's correct. This is the picture this picture shows an injury to Mister Depp's face doesn't I disagree. I've seen is that sure Mister of the church. Thanks for and you just got injured in it, he's on injured in this picture that your testimony find this one Photo shots heard. Have your answer thank you. This is the only photograph from her honeymoon shows someone with an injury correct that's not true. We haven't seen any photos of injuries to her face train trip have we I don't believe my face was injured on that trip. Let's take a look at the exhibit page 46 going backo t love journal This is a no from you to Mister Depp right that is correct. This is not you wrote on 7/22/2015. It starts off with the words my husband, happy honeymoon right Not a look at places exhibit at page 67. This is another note from you too Mister Depp in your journal right that is correct and is one is dated 8/1/25. You've held this book sthoage long enough. Although I can't wait to read my note I also couldn't wait to tell you ho much I adore you. What a beautiful extraordinary magica memorable, wonderful stunning surprisingly balding and impulsive I'm sure I couldn't have imagined a more corgis honeymoon. I love you more and more every passing day. But I read that right that i correct. At the journal entry startin on page . This is another enytr from y.ou Writing to Mister dopp right that is correct and this once dated August 2nd. That is correct yes. This one is a longer one so let's go to where it ends on page 17 of the journal. I hope good thing said an anger and pain were just tt.ha And that you miss and lovee too. Is what matters most to u yomay say you stand by everything you said and did and that there is nothing you can learn from them. Yes, but I don't feel that way and it's important for me that you know. I love you and I'm sorry I miss my warm loving husband xx limb And sad the word sad cost op. Next we have a journal entry from you opan ge 89 This is another note from yo to Mister Depp that is correct the whole book is love notes So this is dated August 15th. And here you write quote. I love you more than anything else are we that uncomfortable with being gone well where we scared or is it something else I don't know. I'm surof one thing and if it's that I can imagine living, but I can't imagine my life without you I velo you I will do better, I'm soy.rr I read that correctly that is correct. Her testimony this is a lot of journal that is correct it was primarily love notes and a all of the notes from you Mister Depp the book was mor of a love note and part of the. >> Communication obviously since we thought so much Ias important for me to. You know try to nurture as much peace as we possibly could and when things are good they were really good. >> It was also an opportunity for you to apologize to MR. Dot for your behavior. >> Isn't it. I think it's important in every relationship to apologize when you're tryg to move past bites. >> Let's look at an entry from 8/17/2015 starting on pa 90.ge Here you write quote, I'm sorry I shook the wheels so hot and I'm sorry we tested the shocks and brakes. Of which there are many let me try to fix this. Let me try patch this. Let me try to make your heart better you deserve it how maybe even I .do >> I need you we need each other. >> You're my cornerstone my heart my all your my life. I hate it when we fight I hate having you hurt, I hate th you're hurting. I love you more than anything let me prove iI need you I love you, sli >> I read that correctly yeah, another example of me tryingo t fix it. So he's trying to fi it. Fix it by apologizing for your bad behavior, I tried everything I try to apologize in the trade reangdi a try their purpose I tried everything fix it you couldn't change like you told doctor Cowan right I couldn't change my relationsp. Let's talk about 12/15/2015 agn. The person or saw you 2 days after the incident on 12/15/2015 is not right. She did not see me as a medical visit she just dropped off ments in the leat at night. She saw you personally though she physically saw me but doot n see me in a medical sense, the way a doctor might see the patient. She did not see min that way. She was your personal nurse right. She was a nurse assigned to me I didn't I her jaw need it. She was signed to you and so when she would see you it would be physically i person in your home and traveling correct. Sheould sometimes see me as a cull professional woodnd other times she would just draw from it and physically see me like as in with her eyes. Testified that during the incident on 12/15/2015 MR. That broke the bed. And more specifically to school I loved that he broke the bed frame with his foo while trying to get purcha.se ask as. Let's get back into the cot.ur >> Let's take a look at defendant's exhibit 5, 09,, which is already in evidence. Police have not published the jury thank you Sir this is a picture that you indicated depicts a brokenat b right that's exactly it. with his boot. I did. >> Pocket knife on theed b there. >> I cannot tell what's on that. Did you use that to dama.ge Johnny's that did when he was punching me. I could feel him slipping. The study also testified that there was blood all over the pillows on the bed correct. On the pillow talk. Yes, thas correct. But you can take a picture that though did you I did not take a picture of thi About a week after the December 15 2015 incident you went with Mister Geffen's children to the islands of the Bahamas is atth correct. To celebre The. >> The incident was on the 15th and we went on the 20's surgically. While you're there you did a photo shoot with Gggre Williams correct. A few days later think the photo shoot was about 2 weeks after isth assault. Let's please pull a plan to exit9. 9 >> This is a photograph of you and Mister Depp's Island shortly after 12/15/2015 correct. >> I know this was taken weeks later. On the island on that trip it was taken on the island on that trip, ye December 15th travel to the island December 23rd that'sha wt it's not my recollection that this picture was taken on New Year's Eve or the first day of th year I think New Year's Eve. And this is the photo shoot with Gregg Williams.or Crect that is correct. We moved to admit and publish note action alright, 99, the pump Zoom in to miss her face. Let's please pull up lest exhibit, 1. Want to move to admit and published. You know, Jack right 100 and evidence published Mister this is another picture of you from that photo shoot cracked. >> Yes, this is the same photo shoot that you asked me about earlier and this Several weeks later. >> If we could zoom in on this heard's face. Let's please pull up into the exhibit 1, 01, And I'm going to move to aitdm and publish any objection I can we just have fun nation first. This is pia cture from the photo shoot misheard it was taken on the island. This is the same photos, yes, than no objection. Our arwa evidence could punch. You could please scroll zoom an excuse me time on this ear space. Her testimony MS. Heard that you were wearing makeup for this photo shoot thaist correct it's of ocean. You could please pull exhibit 1, 0, 2, Misheard is this anoth picture from the photo shoot. I can't exactly tell from the back on it looks like it the same thing, but I can't really tell without it being. Now this is a picture of you that right, it is a picture of me S new move to admit and publish any objection, I'm not going to check forhe identified herself, I just. enWh it was taken that this is Jack I know that you know just okay there we go one '02 in evidence to publis Let's please pull up into the exhibit 1, 0, 3, Mister this is yet another picture of you from that Gregg Williams photoshoot correct that is correct. This is from the same sheet a move to admit and published an object or one of 3 evidence of fish. And again if we could zoom in on this road space. And finally if we could please pull up point is exhibit 1, 0, 4, Miss heard this is a picture of you for that photo shoot correct. Again this is the same boaor ship weeks later. I'm going mtoove to admit and publish the objection your honor I for evidence thank you. Again if we could zoom in on this for its face. You testified that you and Mister Depp got into a fight while on the island December of 2015 correct. That's correct. This all started because you perceive Mister dopp is nodding off during the trip right I thought he was passing out again in a similar fashion to what he hadhe T previous year. And when he nodded off he spilled wine on you correct. Yeah, 2,, 3 times in a row. He testified that mistress deaf son, Jack was there when this happened right at the beginning he was tre.he Mister Depp allegedly spillewid ne on you 2 or 3 times right he was there for that because he offered me help. He also testified that Mister death and sexually assaulted yoinu the bathroom. He testified that after th you need to get away from him right. That is correct so you're out of the House that's correct. You admit, you threw something at him right. I did there something in him to get away. Seven's courtroom when Taar Roberts testified right MS. 3rd I did it s'she Mister Depp's manager onhe t island. Yes, that's correct you heard her testify that she witnessed an argument between you and Mister dopp on the island December of 2015 rit.gh Yes, that's correct. Yes, you heard her testify that Mister Depp was trying to escape you right. I don't know which I don't know she characterized it like that, but that was the gist of it she she kind of misrepresented to CD like that. Yes she misrepresented it how can be that's correct. Okay and then you kept apologizing to Mister dopp right that's what no that's not right said. Begging him to come back to the House with you that's no correct. Klein at him. She used those words that's not correct when she interrupted us Johnny had me by the hair yelling at him. We were reaming both of us, but I don't knowhat w and that he she observed an injury on Mister dust knows from something tt hayou threw it right, I don't know what she observ.ed You also heard miss Roberts testified that she included all this information in a sworn statement in the UK may of 2020 is not right. That is correct. You put in a witness statement in response to miss Roberts statement in June of 2020 is t correct. In the UK. I made several I did I think 7 witness statements and each one contained different information as per recent filings that's at Council has you do and not and in response to a previous fine, correct. Including testimony from people that contradict your story sort of so what you have to do is your counsel asked you to respond. >> Things and you put it in a declaration of sorts and that happens back in 4th over the course of preparing to go to trial in that country and that's what I. >> And so that was your 5th witness statement submitted in the UK. I don't recall which one I was asked to comment on terror Roberts asked all remind we could have done this for its 5th witness statement from the U K. Before we go right where we left off. >> Direct your attention is heard to page 6 of your 5th witness statement. It's here that you descre.ib The December 2015 and sento correct on the island. >> I haven't read through the statement was something I had commented on it before. In a previous witness statement aI said there were several. t Bustarting on page 6 misheard you descrid.be The incident that took place on the island correct that's correct. But what I'm trying to say is I'm not sure if I describe it in full and eth statement. Want to show u.yo Your confidential scheduled to the 5th witness statement, the company the 5th with statement in the UK. The confidential scheduledo t your 5th witness statement. One on page 21. You describe Mister dopp sexually assaulting you in the Bahamas in December 2015 right. And that's the first time you ever claimed. Mister Depp had sexually assaulted you in the Bahamas. That is incorrect. The only submitted the confidential schedule in the UK claiming MR. Depp had sexually assaulted you after miss Roberts dha said that she saw you on the island chasing Klein that Mister Depp is not correct tha is incorrect. We could please pull out plan to exhibit 3, 9, 4 This is another recording I can represent to the court this only contains Mister Depp dan heard's voic. I'm going to move to admit the entire recording, I'm only going to play from one 174 through one 20 2. >> A rllight into which which plan to fix to the 9, 3, 9, 4, I inthk I have to object all right, I'll go with that all right 3, 9, for now but than >> Hence screaming when I spill wind accidentally on you. For falling asleep. Meaning in front of my kids and freaking let's y. I don't need your. You're clever of. Come back >> Using who can show the news of character you think you've been showing you sure so carle especially >> Making me dizzy. Not She says. >> You'rdisce ussing what happened the Bahamas in December of 2015 right. We're discussing a part of it. You're discussing when you screamed at Mister Depp in front of his children, know we were talking about. A partf o that argument, including wins screamed at Mister death in front of his children that's not a fair characterization of atwh happened. Mister Depp says you're screamed at him when he accidently spilled wine on you correct I realize that's what Johnny said, yeah Mister Depp tells you that this freak out his son, Jack. Johnny often use other people to back him up and arguments. Don't seem too concerned about that to you I had a lot of concerns. You know seen you know Mention Mister Jeffs sexually assaulting you in this recording to was not the poi of that conversation if I had gotten into the details what happened to me with him would have been in a fight. You just accused Mister Depp of quote using his kids rig.ht And that record on issues otr people, yes. And you challenge him to find a woman who will not quote jump up and scream she has enbe spilled on 3 times wrote route that is coecrrt. Not a woman who would put up with sexual abuse right. I was pointing out of the ridiculous the nature of him expecting not to react to something not basic. But the speak good time for a break, I'm right we can do tt that thank you. >> At least you let's going take a morngni recess for 15 minutes do not discuss the case with anybody don't outside research will see 15 okay. >> Can I conclude the morning session as we watch amber heard standing. Wondering likely how this jury as they file out. >> Is absorbing all of wtha they've se. >> So far in the cross examination Camille Vasquez going toe to toe with amber heard Eric prayers bnee watching along with us. He's in Davenport, Iowa. All right what at do I We're we're through the morning session. >> We certainly saw some very interesting cross exam today. I think the jury has to be soaking that in and is t'hard to see how this was a good morning for MR. Throughout the entire Ross, it seems this pass kuz has been showing her leading her where she wants to leave her and I think the jury is going well they're they're going to be a seeing things in a a like unfavorable misheard in favorable to misstep everything from how they explored. The aioud recordings, the pictures. It's just hard to see how a jury is going to. Look back on this morning and not be swayed and Mister Depp's directn. >> We'll ask is is is obviously extremely She is confident in the courtroom and is going toe to toe with amber heard is there anythgin that amber heard can do. When you have a freight train like this coming at you. What would you advisor during this little break that the have. >> Hopefully for shmieard Saker Council is taking some time tell her to not try to fight every little point you know when it the answer is clearly yes to say yes when the answer is no Saint oh don't you know make it such a battle a huge point don't be so argumentative because that just doesn't come across well to the jury. So I say that would be kind of a starting point for them Facial expressions also some of the facial expressions misheard he's been making I don't think favorlyab upon her to the jury so I imagine there's going to be some discussion about that as well. >> And again as a very short period of time that they have here too >> Get a little bit of a break from the from Camille Vasquez how deadlys i taking place. Right have this little break a look at a time out in the football game sort of reorganize or a basketball game Eric prayer, thank you so much for your expertise this morning watching along with us. We truly appreciate it. We ar approaching the top of the hour. >> When we return we'll get you back into the courtroom after the conclusion of the morning break. Julie grant will be here. To steer us he joins us now in the studio and Julie. >> Cool Camille Vasquez. >> Right either Ted yeah, it's like watching rocky 4. >> Isn't it. I mean this this is just such a fight between these 2 and there are these moments right where where you see amber heard you want to like just. >> Concede just concede and then. >> The whole time I think her legal team is doing henor favors Ted the way they're not objectin >> said >> earlier she came out like Mike Tyson dressed as Olivia pe.op >> Yeah, very cute very your right to it and we'll ese >> be able to survive this and indoor it were steps I take a break Julie will be here right after the break and we'll get you back in the courtroom right after this this is Court TV your front row seat to >> That's a knife you gave to the man who was hitting uyo right misheard. I was worried he was going to stab you with that I give it to him that's for certain. But you gave it to him while he was abusing you allegedly gave it to me that year. >> Well this is quite a fight going down between amber heard and Johnny Depp's atrntoey come Vasquez welcome to court TV live your front row seat to justice I'm your midday stho Julie Grant so we have heard is on her second day of cross examination right now this has been quite a contentious battle and if you ask me her attorneys aren't dog heinr many favors not helping her much as she's up there on the witness stand. Undergoing a very aggressive cross let's go back in right now exactly where we left off. >> Sir you've testified repeatedly that you are concerned about Mister Depp substance use turn your relationship right. And but you weren't concerned enough to stop using drugsnd a alcohol yourself for you. I did not use drugs when I was with Johnny like in his presence aside from the Times I testified about that too. >> So you weren't nccoerned enough to stop using drugs and alcohol. The Times you testify to confront history right. IAs testified to earlier I took drugs in Johnny's presence on those 2 occasions. Early in our relationship in 2013. So you never change around behavior to support Mister Depp and his sobriety did you I did a lot of changing to support his sobriety I tried everything that I could possibly think of but you drink wine around Mister death on a regular basis cracked I didn't drink wine and you took Mister Depp to Hicksville to do quote laffy drugs like mushrooms and quote right that's correct. And you testified that despite wtha supposedly happened in Hicksville you decided to take MDMA with Mister Depp on a plane to Russia in June of 2013, correct as I mentiedon those the 2 occasions. He testified that this is the last time you would make that mistake right that is correct. And when asked if you would kas Mister dap to get you. And DNA in Australia, you said that was quote ridiculous ritgh that is correct because you have learned her lesson the hard way on the plane to Russia. Russia yes, that's correct. Yours and Mister Jeffs wedding in the Bahamas was in February of 2015 right that is correct. So that would have been after the Russia ightfl yes, when I did. When we had mushrooms on the island for my him part. My what bridal party before we were not with Johnny. I was not with Johnny the time. Was your wedding with Mister Depp on the island right to be clear we were both on the same Island we just we're around each other that evening wead h kind of step parties bridal party and the greens party. And your wedding was a month before Australia, corrt.ec A new range to have drugins your wedding Like I said we had much rooms on for my bril party beforehand. On the island for your wedding before the wedding. On the island, yes they split latest exhibit 1, 2, 6, 2, This is an e-mail you sentn o 2/1/2015 corre. I'm going to move to admit and published plaintiff's exhibit 1, 2, 6, 2 any objection. >> All right since we have a little bit of time it seems here I want to bring in my guest for some analysis joining me in Saint Paul Minnesota, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor Jack Rice is on the show Jack good to have you along with me. I'm anxious to get your take on day 2 of eth cross. >> You know what I think amber heard could do herself a lot of favors by just acknowledging her limitations. >> The problem is is every slight that's what des team that's what Depp's lawyer is doing going after every slight even small ones because what she's really doing is chipping away slowly neighbors credit Realty every single time that happens and amber heard actually fights back wchhi actually country really even more you build a benefit to doing that is that when you cut somebody is credibility ouarnd the edges. It makes you doubt everything else and I think the jury is watching this and wondergin do we believe anything she says because she's being confronted absolutely buy things that that aren't true and she can't even acknowledge that's a problem. I agree with you, Jack, you know I have to. >> Criticisms really of the herd team in one of them goes to the point you just mention and that is witness preparation. They are to have prepared her they had all ekwe to prep pair her for this right egg. This should heav been such an easy job for emth to help her and to understand that look you don't fight on ery single question you're asked fight where you need to fight explain wheryou e need to explain. But concede what should be conceded and you're right every time she she puts up a fight and won't concede it's chipping away and chipping away ater h credibility, Jack. >> But maybe the question is always there there is whether or not they didn't spend the time to actually prepper enough the other possibility here is that she's incredible meaning that they can't control their weight, yes and they can't control their client that happens to where they decided that eyth know better than everybody else I've seen this on both sides where on the one West to do all the prepping but at the same time. There may be a circumstance where no matter what I do. They are the ldwi card. They will go down path that is just tears as well I just don't know which one it is. >> Right, yeah, I know we may never know because you know we're not it's not represent in her were tno on either team or not on team heard were not on team de Pere team Court TV here we call and strikes and we have people like you Jack Rice to come on and help us do it. My second itcricism of her team is they need to be protecting her more on the witness stand and I know you know all about that Jack because you teach trial advocacy like I do and part of your job as an advocate when you got to tnwiess up there's protected them from a cross examination, especially one that's as aggressive as this one. >> Yeah, no question about it we think about this you need to meco back with asked and answered this is repetitive in some ways you to be able to slow down. The opposing counsel that's what earlier should be doing ritgh now there's also an argumentative aspect to this I remember when Camille desks i actually dropped how convenient my response is I'm on my ftee because that's really important too. >> Exactly it would be exactly it's argumentative it's also testimony from Council and you make a motioton strike and you requester honored to instruct the jury to disregard that that's what Jack rice and I would have done if we were Council, let'gos back in now that little paws is over. >> And if we could pleeas have misheard email published to the jury are 1262 i evidence. This is the schedule for you wedding weekend right MR. No it's not it's a proposed draft of a scheledu ended up being quite different. We'll see where it says 07:00PM rehearsal dinner. And the next item on the list says quote after danc party and drugs and music. So you plan to have drugs that your wedding to someone yo characterize the drug addict. >> To be fair we were gointo have separate. >> Parties as I mentioned bridal party before this the schedule ended up changing quite a bit and this is a draft clearly that was sent before. There are a lot of changes made the bridal sortf o some sort. >> Your original idea was to have a rehearsal dinner with your husband, the drug addict the monster. And then do drugs with your girlfriends on the island after rehearsal dinner. >> I realize that's what the email suggests that that wasn't now a plant withts i adjustments heard what you sdai in that e-mail right but what I'm sure. >> It is is that the schedule changing we ended up doing the little so why do we have driver. Yeah very dear original idea. >> I was to do drugs on an island after rehearsal dinner to the drug. Field monster that you are about to marry rhtig the the as email suggests there were there was going to be we need on the island. This does not reference the couple that I just referenced to you. You want to drive on special occasions rightness or I have. And you did drugs again r your 30th birthday right that is correct I was a huge mistake. The 30th birthday dinner was on 4/21/2016. Yes, it was day a before my birthday correct. He testified that Mister Dpep was running late to the celebration cracked that is correct us Mister Depp to bring you alcohol when he arrived that right so the utility closet where we kept the wine was right by the elevator. And I also told him he could bringn ia joint I wouldn't buy his head off if you did. So that the yes that's I told him I wouldn't be angry. Let's look at Clinton's exhibit 1, 2, 6,, 3 >> Your honor I'm going to ask to shop for so this one hasn't been produced in this is not it is a brand new traveling to that so don't have an I'd like an unredacted copy and then I'd like an reduction happy to be shown to the with the unredacted copy. We can we can make when you're on okay. Not even be approached about this. >> Okay so that's concerning that amber heard's team is saying they haven't received a copy. >> Of wh.at >> Counsel for Johnny Depp is intending to cross him heardn o because there's something called discovery in trials you may have heard about that where ink of it like sharing where each side odpruces to the other side what they're going to be introducing at trial. It's kd of a rule of fairness. Something else I want to point out in and in we obviously aren't able to interject at every point during this trial. But this important point. I've noticed this multiple times this morning that Camille Vasquez talks over amber heard when amber heard is testifying and I've been in front of many judges who wlil never tolerate that conduct by a lawyer because it's very important that the court reporter takes down every single part of the answer even if you're the attorney and you don't like the answer you t the witness answer and this is really on amber heard's Council to be standing up dan saying your honor please strucked Mister Depp's Couilnc to not talk over the witness, but they're not doing that so Camille Vasquez to her cretdi keeps controlling amber heard very well on the witness stand and amber heard's team is not jumping up and objecting in trying to control the crsos examination as they should looks like they're still at sidebar let me bring in Jack Jack you heard the point I w just making I know that you you would have been speaking up the first time it happened with Council speaking over the witness. >> Yeah, I'm the I'm here doing it comes ufop r you because I completely agree with you a big part of this is controlling the environment and also tryintog to country will the opposing counseIl think that amber heard lawyer needs to be on their feet they do a lot more often whether or not it kind of ask as doestn' like the answer is sort of the road but once it starts rollinoug t I want to hear the rest of it and from the perspective of the judge. The court reporter trying to right every single word down that is in possible when you're stopped when you're talking over one another and normally it's the judge to bite my head fof when the app. >> It's exactly Jack here we haven't heard her honor say anything and so if I were opposing count if I were amber heard's lawyer I would be jumping up in requesting the instruction from the court too opposing becseau she'll just continue to keep doing it. >> But but Camille is relyal smart she's the one is that nobody stopping be guess what it's in my courtroom, it's not just it's not opposing counsel, it's mom. >> exactly she's going tkeepo on going I would do the same saying she's going to keep on pushing those limits and tell she is reined in and looks like she's requeingst something from one of her. Legal teammates there onhe depth team. I have to say having a week to prepare for a cross examination is every trial lawyer's dream. >> Is it not Jack Rice. >> usually behind because uyo finish and a year 10 hours in the courtroom, you got to do another 6 or 8 hours press. And that that happens afterward because you have to be able to respond. It after you hear what you just heard so you can the whole thing before heading to get prepared for it. >> this cross examinatioisn very strong and it should be that way as Council and the e team has had a week to prepare It's running very smoothly up the >> Thank you for being with us here in court to be live this Tuesday. I'm Julie Grant we're watching death versus heard playing out in Virginia. Amber heard is on the witness stand for the second day in a row on cross examine nation, let's go in now togeerth exactly where we left off. >> Any objection 63s iredacted not know you're all right well, 63 happened. Thank you thank you. Ron. Miss her directing our attention to the point is it well 63, this is a text message that you sent to Mister Depp correct. That is correct and and you sent this message to Mister Depp the day you had your 30th birthday dinner right that is correct you write quote hey baby bring up something to drink and or a joint. I'm in if you are see you in a minute question mark xx today read that right that is correct. And then the nt exday he went to coach Alan consumed ndma motion. All right Mister I did Johnny was not there for that. Let's talk a little bit more about your 30th birthday. He testified about this incident multiple times haven't you that is correct. But yesterday u yotold this jury that you are not called upon to provide a detailed accounting of all physical and sexual abuse by Mister Depp until February 202 I testified that I had not been able to do so until February 2020. >> outside of the context of the ldco up such actually I I misspoke February 2022 this year right sorry I I did the same thing you did. And you did something you did that in something called in to Robert Horry is that correct. >> The intricate or a response was the first time that I could do that outside of the context of being asked the certain questions and deposition. >> And you testified about your 30th birthday in the center of a Tory correct. I believe yes. Nonetheless you testified to new details, your 30th birthday for the first time ts courtroom didn't you. But no that's incorrect sexual assault, no less. I had just not least when that happened I was never I was never suref ithat was the same time he did on eth night my birthday and I maintain that well my deposition you told history that the evening of your 30th birthday dinner Mister Depp well grab you by the pubic bone pubic area and quote UNQUOTE push you down right that is correct. Details in a year and a roet or responses at misheard. That detail is in my introductory response. Yes. Well if you're in the repertory response. We could please bring up We can go to your inner rocky promontory response to ttha page 57. These are signed with penalty of perjury cracked that is good. You testified again to isth jury that this was the first time you were given an opportunity to write down everything include all your evidence right that is correct okay, let's go to page7. At the top of page 57 Johnny and I were not in a good place I begged him to makey m birthday dinner to see that. Story on page 57 you start describi yngour birthday dinner correct that is corrt.ec Page 59 of your in Iraq, a Tory response, the righ 4th paragraph down Johnny grabbing one holding you down and I remember him asking me if I thought I was so tou.gh >> He asked me 3, 4 times up close to my face you're so suc a tough guy home. You think you're so tough what you can do now stood up at some point after getting off the ground. And then you right after I remember crying and I remember feeling exhausted and frustrated and it hit me meaning the realization of how sad it was. But I was going to wake up tomorrow my birtay without him. Where in the center are Tory response misheard you describe Mister Depp. >> Quote grabbing you buy the pubic bone pubic area dan pushing down. On page 64 Page oneo t 3 paragraphs down. Johnny grabbed me wants to this timing thing side of the bed and Penn House 3 grab my China, help me there asked me if I was so tough. They're not describing wtha happened after your 30th birthday. I am I just had tno prescribed it to that date the limited evidence at the time only in the course of looking at the evidence preparing for this case haven't put those 2 pieces together. But I've always said what happened. You were upset that Mister Depp was late to your 30th birtayhd were you I was. >> You knew Mister da to schedule business meeting or money meetg inthat evening right. >> No I knew he said he did I didn't know if he had won addicts lie all the ti. A ticket with a big grain of salt. Mister Depp Tech to do that evening to let you know he'de late. Yes, he did text me some point. It was a big deal to them Mister Depp was late to your birthday dinner wast.n' Yeah yeah, it did matter to me you are upset. He was late, I was I was hurt. And when you finally did arrive, he felt quot invisible to him. The day after your birthday dinner, you and your friends went to Coachella to celebrate your birthday correct that is correct. You made a video driving to the child with your friends didn't you that is correct like to pull a plaintiff's exhibit one to 6 4 and for the recd oryour honor this only music without any words on it. And again it's a new one so I'd like a copy of it it's going t be played. There there is no sound other than a song which yes su. >> Well I have to say one of the keys to a great cross is if you can throw the witness off balance and that was what I saw watching this here it seems very clear that Johnny Depp's attorney is getting under and for her and skin a bit you can tell the way she's answering even the expression on her face is changing. Her counsel shodul have really prepped are on thi so if you feel your your nerves are getting to you or you feel like this is aggravating retain during uyo take a deep Brett pause try to relax gs oein to witness preparation. Both sides had a week to do that we're going hit the pause button we're going to We're staying with us here on Court TV live of Julie let's go back into the courtroom together now from more of day 2 of the cross examinationf o amber heard. >> And if you know your are 12, >> This is the video you made when you drove to coach on with your for your 30th birthday right. That's correct. I'm not quite sure which one of us made the video but that's correct. You featured in a video driving that's correct. And it's set to the song Missy by the Rolling Stones is that right. That's correct that was a message for Mister dopp wasn't. You can drugs at Coachella didn't you. You took MDMA mushrooms at the same time I I did yes and it made you feel sick. All right I feel horrible. Yes, so you left Coachella yes that's corre.ct Testified yesterday it yesterday that when you left Coachella you left with quote your entire grp.ou And you are quote never along with Starling right that is correct you weren't anywhere near him. We sat here when certain Jenkins testified that he from Coachella when you are sick right he picked up my entire group. Mister Jenkins testified quota collected her got her in the vehicle she didn't want anyone else to know that she was sick take her bkac to the Parker should I sing was a reference to the hotel alone. I took her to a 7.11 where I retreat hydrangti fluids Advil and let her have those got her back up to the Parker, sweet and then went back to pick up everyone else. You were there when Mister Jenkins testified right, yes, he was wrong that your testimony that Mister Jenksin line is just wrong. I don't know what his intentions are he says. >> And about that we were a big group of us I was on with them. >> Possible that you don't remember correctly because you are sick from taking MDMA mushrooms at the time. Yeah, I remember everything about atth night. Went to play for uyo plan to see exhibit. One to 2, 9 which is already in evidceen at 1720 through 2128. >> Proceeding homes. >> Stop the process. >> That's what really happened the evening and your 30th birthday isn't misheard notice that's incorrect. Mister Depp was in bed and and then you came around the bed and started punching him that's incorrt.ec You deny that in the recording to you misheard I'm not having that conversation with John. >> I'm not denying anything I'm not saying anything about having that conversation with Johnny I was trying to get out of that hotel room that was a mediation attempt that was the recording just heard was a meeting in a hotel. >> You're talking about your 30th birthday know or not you're not talking about going to Coachella on John is talking about that I'm not argue whit them about any of that. You know deny anything do I'm not talking to him about tt.ha ing Gopublished exhibit or ask that the witness be shown in exhibit 1, 2, 6,, 5 >> See you and your friendats Coachella correct that is correct the move to admit into this 1, 2, 6, 5, and publish it. >> No detection by 1, 2, 65,, evidence and publish it. >> No injuries to you are there misheard visible in this picture you cannot see any visible injury now. The surge you remember during Mister Depp's examination, a number of recordings were played correct that's correct. And one of those recordings you told Mister Depp. >> Quote I hope to God, Jack stop father. Jack's new stepfather or. Jack is Mister Dobson right that is correct. >> And I believe that the I was referencing a marriage of his ex partner was going to have we're getting into us fos.lk >> You for seen Jack's to stepat-fher would teach him how to be a man because Mister Depp could and I don'ret call exactly what I said, but it was something to that effect. Let's listen to some of what hpeapned before he said that. To Mister if we could please play plaintiff's exhibit, 3, 9, 7, which is alreyad in evidence for the record it set 35 0, 4 through 3547nd a then the next clip, it's 3635 through 40 are going to show you. >> Every bit of this we just need to hit a break. One little bit of the trial speak I want to explain when you hear the word publishing here these lawyers saying it all the time, your honor permission to publish to the jury can we publish this to the jury is just a fancy way of saying hey we show this to the jury when I teach trial advocacy I always teach the lawyers to use the word show because. Folks in the jury box might be wondering what does publish needs so there you have ait little trial speak explained Welcome back to court to be live your front row seat to justice I'm Julie Graham are watching debt versus heard plan. Now this is day number 2 of amber heard on the witness stand for crs examination as we were heading to the Council for Johnny Depinp dicated that she wanted to play another recording you have Mister moment of it, let's go bactok court together now >> You know a moe >> eventually he would going stay in one of the other houses. We call on the cell out don't yo I was expressing frustration autbo his criticism of my career and how many problems that caused within the dynamic of our relationship. Yes, si com, a sellout and a joke. I call them horrible ugly things as you can hear. So out the spoke to each other and I'm really horrible way. We just heard you speak to him and really horrible way you called him a sell out in jus And you want to sell out right Mister, I called him a lot about the kind of joke and called him a lot about these things called him a joke on that recording. Got you that role commdan didn't he. No must ask as I got myself that role b auditioning. That is quote your jealousis so tragic. I heard him say that yes you are the jealous when this relationship where you misheard I think he was indicatg, I was jealous of his career. Now you've twisted it to say was Mister dot of so jeaus,lo I'm James always been very jealous when I worked when I did anything friends. Yes, he's always been very jealous. Certainly not ask you to take a look at plants exhibit one t0o This is a series of text messages between you and Mister Depp. I'm going to move to admit and published thees text messages. Mister deaf messages have been redacted any objection know you're all right one 20 average published Starts with a text message fm you Mister dopp on September 2620 15 right. That is correct. You write monsters back this is him I read that right atth is correct and then in the next message you write quote ran away for signed trouble, this is not the man he promise you be did I read that correctly that is correct. And in the next one downright promised swore to me you would .be Mister you're talking about Mister dopp running away from you at the first sign of trouble aren't you. No I'm I'm I'm recognizing includest a this point when he went. Rit ghaway the for Senate trouble often that was a clue for me to know that he was back using again and now we're abtou to enter the next phase of the cycle. You described as rain away from us. The monster. That wasn't what wasn't months of the monsters that the man who beat me up the running away was just it it hatched to that it was a sigan signal to me as a clue. >> As somebody trying to P put together That we were in turning that into that base. But in these messages, MR. In the Easter isn't Mister Depp doing drugs isn't it was the man who did drugs and beat me up yes that's always been Sir that's not what you're saying these messages that is exactly what I'm seeing in the message. You know describe Mister Depp being violent to you. I do not describe that in this text message now. So if the power the monster this time, .no Going down the page right along series of text messages to MR. That don't get a response is that correct that is correct you right. >> And continuing on page 77 you're right its. i >> Those are some ugly audio recordings played for this jury lot of ugly details comingut they're going to have to do a lot of sorngti out of all of it
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