From where you can look at Esquire magazine from 04, you can look at before that and I was against the war in Iraq.

從這裡你可以看看04年的《Esquire》雜誌，你可以看看之前，我是反對伊拉克戰爭的。

So you're moderating a forum with a candidate for president of the United States and you get hit with a couple of statements that are presented as truth.

所以，你在主持一個有美國總統候選人参加的論壇時，你被幾句被當作真理的言論擊中。

The crux of the answer is that he Donald Trump never supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

答案的關鍵是，他唐納德-特朗普從未支持過2003年入侵伊拉克。

This part, you can check pretty easily trumps referring to this article in which he doesn't so much explicitly state his opposition to the war as say what a mess it is and that he would never have handled it that way.

這一部分，你可以很容易地查到王牌的這篇文章，在這篇文章中，他並沒有明確表示他反對戰爭，而是說這是一個什麼爛攤子，他絕不會這樣處理。

Also trump's repeated claims that he opposed the war from the beginning, which Was a year before this article was published in August 2004.

還有特朗普一再聲稱，他從一開始就反對戰爭，這是在這篇文章發表前一年的2004年8月。

Right at the moment, by the way, when public opinion was changing on the war from positive to negative, in fact esquire felt so strongly that trump had misrepresented his position in the peace, particularly in this major foreign policy speech from august I was an opponent of the Iraq war from the beginning.

就在此刻，順便說一下，當公眾對戰爭的看法從正面轉為負面的時候，事實上埃斯奎爾強烈認為特朗普在和平中歪曲了他的立場，特別是在8月的這次重大外交政策演講中我從一開始就是伊拉克戰爭的反對者。

That they added an editor's note correcting him at the top of the article being a well informed and prepared moderator, you would of course know all these things that trump's opposition to the war.

他們在文章的頂部加上了編輯的說明，糾正他作為一個消息靈通、準備充分的主持人，你當然會知道特朗普反對戰爭的所有這些事情。

A cornerstone of his foreign policy credentials is questionable at best and you would also know this, which was said on the same stage to you less than an hour before now, my opponent was for the war in Iraq.

他的外交政策資歷的一個基石充其量是有問題的，你也會知道這一點，在不到一個小時之前，他在同一個舞臺上對你說，我的對手是支持伊拉克戰爭的。

He says he wasn't.

他說他沒有。

You can you can go back and look at the record he supported.

你可以你可以回去看一下他支持的記錄。

He told Howard stern he supported it.

他告訴霍華德-斯特恩他支持這樣做。

Are you for invading Iraq?

你支持入侵伊拉克嗎？

Yeah, I guess so.

是的，我想是的。

So.

所以。

Now is your chance to push back on a statement that you know is a lie.

現在是你的機會，對你知道是謊言的聲明進行反擊。

A lie about an issue that was decisive in Hillary Clinton's defeat by Barack Obama in 2008.

關於一個問題的謊言，在2008年希拉里-克林頓被巴拉克-奧巴馬擊敗時起了決定性作用。

A lie.

一個謊言。

This candidate used to separate himself from his primary opponents.

這位候選人曾經把自己和他的初選對手分開。

Just a fucking lie correcting that sort of deceit is what a journalist is trained to do or you could just move on.

只是一個該死的謊言，糾正這種欺騙行為是一個記者的訓練，或者你可以繼續前進。

People talk about you and commander in chief and not just Secretary Clinton, but some of your Republican opponents in the primary season and they wonder about your temper.

人們談論你和總司令，不僅僅是克林頓部長，還有你在初選季節的一些共和黨對手，他們想知道你的脾氣。

We shouldn't be too harsh on matt lauer alone.

我們不應該對馬特-勞爾一個人過於苛刻。

Fact checking in the 2016 election has proven to be a gargantuan and uniquely difficult task in the face of two candidates with shaky relationships to the truth.

事實證明，在2016年大選中，面對兩位與真相關係不穩定的候選人，事實核查是一項巨大而獨特的艱鉅任務。

I mean, there are no shortage of clip compilations on youtube showing Hillary Clinton being less than honest.

我的意思是，YouTube上不乏顯示希拉里-克林頓不那麼誠實的片段彙編。

Just a few weeks ago, for example, she said this, I'm the only candidate who ran in either the democratic or the Republican primary who said from the very beginning, I will not raise taxes on the middle class, which is kind of odd considering that 15 out of 17 GOP candidates for president actually signed a written pledge agreeing to no tax hikes, not just on the middle class on everyone.

例如，就在幾周前，她這樣說，我是唯一一個在民主黨或共和黨初選中從一開始就說我不會對中產階級加稅的候選人，這有點奇怪，考慮到17位共和黨總統候選人中的15位實際上籤署了書面承諾，同意不加稅，不只是對中產階級對所有人。

I found that live pretty easily with the help of politifact dot com, one of the largest online fact checking sites in the world And the Internet has been at the forefront of dedicated fact checking operations since the early 2000s in 2016.

在世界最大的在線事實核查網站之一politifact dot com的幫助下，我很容易就找到了這個活 而且，自21世紀初的2016年以來，互聯網一直處於專門的事實核查業務的最前沿。

The Duke reporters lab found 96 active fact checking projects in 37 different countries and these organizations do great work collecting dubious political statements and judging their accuracy on nuanced rating scales.

杜克大學記者實驗室在37個不同的國家發現了96個活躍的事實核查項目，這些組織在收集可疑的政治聲明並根據細微的評級尺度判斷其準確性方面做了大量工作。

But there's one problem mr trump.

但有一個問題，特朗普先生。

Let's stay on this issue of immigration.

讓我們繼續討論這個移民問題。

You have been very critical of Mark Zuckerberg of facebook, who has wanted to increase the number of these H one B.

你對facebook的馬克-扎克伯格一直很有意見，他一直想增加這些H一B的數量。

It's not at all critical of him.

這根本不是對他的責備。

Where did I read this and come up with this that you were probably, I don't know you people write this stuff, I don't know where you are.

我在哪裡讀到的，得出的結論是你可能是，我不知道你們這些人寫的這些東西，我不知道你在哪裡。

The problem is that television is still the number one source of information for american voters and on television politicians who lie often get a free pass in the clip.

問題是，電視仍然是美國選民的第一資訊來源，而在電視上，撒謊的政客往往能在剪輯中獲得自由的機會。

We just saw that moderator went on to apologize for her mistake.

我們剛剛看到，主持人繼續為她的錯誤道歉。

That's pretty unbelievable considering that the article she mentioned with trump's criticism of Mark Zuckerberg, not only existed, it existed on trump's own website that's unpreparedness to the extreme.

考慮到她提到的特朗普責備馬克-扎克伯格的文章，不僅存在，而且存在於特朗普自己的網站上，這是相當令人難以置信的，這是毫無準備的表現。

But it goes further than that because even when you are aggressive and prepared trump has a way of wriggling out of the truth.

但它比這更進一步，因為即使你咄咄逼人，做好了準備，特朗普也有辦法從真相中掙扎出來。

Like when he lied and said that he saw Arabs cheering in Jersey city On 9 11.

就像他撒謊說他在9月11日看到阿拉伯人在澤西市歡呼。

You know the police say that didn't happen at all.

你知道警察說這根本沒有發生。

Those rumors have been on the Internet for some time.

這些傳言在互聯網上已經有一段時間了。

So did you misspeak yesterday and you saw that with your own eyes, There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey where you have large arab populations, they were cheering as the World Trade Center came down.

那麼，你昨天是不是說錯了，你親眼看到了，在新澤西州的另一邊，有很多阿拉伯人居住的地方，有人在歡呼，他們在歡呼世貿中心的倒塌。

We have three extremely important presidential debates coming up.

我們有三場極其重要的總統辯論會即將舉行。

Those moderators have a huge task taking on candidates as shameless as trump and as calculated as clinton but their focus should be on the audience and on what works and what works on tv is imagery graphics.

這些主持人的任務很重，要對付像特朗普那樣無恥、像克林頓那樣精打細算的候選人，但他們的注意力應該放在觀眾身上，放在有效的東西上，而在電視上有效的東西是形象的圖形。

I mean one of the most effective fact checks this election season was by Fox News who not only called trump out on his lies, but projected the actual facts onto the screen for the audience to see your numbers don't add up.

我的意思是，這個選舉季最有效的事實核查之一是福克斯新聞，他們不僅譴責特朗普的謊言，而且將實際事實投射到螢幕上，讓觀眾看到你的數字不符合。

The second thing network should do is fact check in real time on chiron's as was pointed out to me by master fact checker Alexis Montes, charlie's over at the Poynter Institute.

網絡應該做的第二件事是實時檢查chiron's的事實，正如事實檢查大師Alexis Montes向我指出的那樣，charlie's在Poynter研究所。

CNN experimented with fact checking Kyron's earlier this election season.

CNN在這個選舉季早些時候嘗試了對Kyron的事實核查。

Now it's unclear if it was a mistake.

現在還不清楚這是否是一個錯誤。

But for God's sake, it was awesome.

但看在上帝的份上，這很了不起。

A huge problem with lies on tv news is that they tend to be repeated or shown without any clear indication that they're false.

電視新聞中的謊言的一個巨大問題是，它們往往被重複或顯示，沒有任何明確的跡象表明它們是假的。

In fact I did that at the beginning of this video in 2012 the New America Foundation found that the more familiar acclaim becomes, the more likely we are to think it's true even after we've heard a correction.

事實上，我在這段視頻的開頭就這樣做了，2012年新美國基金會發現，越是熟悉的讚譽，我們就越有可能認為它是真實的，即使在我們聽到糾正之後。

So instead of that completely stupid audience reaction on Twitter networks carrying the debates could throw up a chiron that refutes patently false claims in real time Tv networks by and large have steered clear of these measures.

是以，在推特上進行辯論的網絡可以實時拋出一個反駁明顯錯誤主張的鐵證，而不是那種完全愚蠢的觀眾反應，電視網絡基本上都避免了這些措施。

Perhaps out of some vague notion of neutrality.

也許是出於某種模糊的中立概念。

One debate moderator has already said that he doesn't feel like it's his job to be a truth squad.

一位辯論主持人已經說過，他不覺得自己的工作是做真理隊。

What do you do if they make assertions that you know to be untrue?

如果他們做出你知道是不真實的斷言，你會怎麼做？

That's not my job.

這不是我的工作。

That's not, I do not believe that it's my job to be a truth squad.

這不是，我不認為我的工作是成為一個真相小組。

But what are news organizations, if not truth squads, free people, the world over, still care about facts and we look to our news media to sort through bullshit and lies to find them.

但是，如果不是真相小組，新聞機構又是什麼呢？全世界的自由人仍然關心事實，我們期待著我們的新聞媒體能從廢話和謊言中找到它們。

The fact is that neutrality doesn't mean equivalency.

事實是，中立性並不意味著等同。

Hillary clinton lies more than she should and it's important for fact checkers to call her and every other politician on it.

希拉里-克林頓的謊言比她應該說的要多，事實核查人員必須要譴責她和其他每一個政治家。

You talk about leveling with the american people.

你說要與美國人民平起平坐。

Have you always told the truth?

你總是說真話嗎？

I've always tried to always, always, some people are going to call that wiggle room.

我一直試圖總是，總是，有些人要把這稱為迴旋餘地。

But let's be honest, donald trump exists in a totally different category.

但說實話，唐納德-特朗普存在於一個完全不同的類別。

Lies and bullshit.

謊言和胡說八道。

Are his political currency?

他的政治貨幣嗎？

What do I know about it?

我對它瞭解多少呢？

All I know is what's on the internet.

我所知道的是互聯網上的內容。

You may not be able to get through to donald trump, but good journalism can get through to the rest of us.

你可能無法打通唐納德-特朗普的電話，但好的新聞報道可以打通我們其他人的電話。

So if you get a chance to speak to any of our leaders in a public forum, make sure you're well prepared and aggressive.

是以，如果你有機會在公共論壇上與我們的任何領導人交談，請確保你有充分的準備和積極性。

And if you understand what the facts are, let us know there is a new nerd writer video every Wednesday.

如果你瞭解事實是什麼，讓我們知道每週三有一個新的書呆子作家視頻。

So if you go right there and click that, you'll subscribe to this channel and get all the videos.

是以，如果你去那裡，點擊它，你就會訂閱這個頻道並獲得所有的視頻。

I really have to thank Alexey Eos McSorley's, who is the director of the International fact checking network at the Poynter Institute who collaborated with me on this project and whose work has been invaluable in the research of it.

我真的要感謝Alexey Eos McSorley's，他是Poynter研究所國際事實核查網絡的主任，他在這個項目上與我合作，他的工作對這個項目的研究很有價值。

I'm gonna put everything he's ever written on this in the description below.

我要把他寫過的所有東西都放在下面的描述中。

It's all really great stuff.

這都是非常棒的東西。

You should definitely check it out.

你肯定應該去看看。

I'm gonna put his twitter handle right below me to thank you very much alexia does your awesome.

我要把他的微博把手放在我的下面，非常感謝Alexia做你的真棒。