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  • We could steal practically anything because it was just unheard of, stealing, shoplifting abroad in Europe.

    我們那時基本上什麼都能偷,因為當時歐洲去商店順手牽羊偷東西這種概念根本聞所未聞。

  • No one did it.

    沒人這麼做過。

  • The money underneath the till was astronomical, grands, grands, grands.

    收銀機內的錢多到屬不清,數千英鎊起跳。

  • We basically robbed nearly every fucking shop in Holland.

    基本上荷蘭上幾乎所有的商店我們都搶過。

  • [The Thief on Interpol's Most Wanted List]

    [國際刑警組織頭號通緝名單上的竊賊]

  • Petty crime had been going on since I was in nappies.

    我還在襁褓中的時候就已經開始犯些小罪了。

  • It was all do or dare. Everyone just stole.

    基本上就是看誰膽子大。周遭每個人都在偷。

  • You had to go in a shop; if you come out with nothing, you was probably out of the firm.

    如果你走進了一家商店之後兩手空空走出來,你大概就沒辦法和大家一起混了。

  • This is how I really started getting into what we called grafting, which is really shoplifting.

    這就是我開始進行我們所謂「扒手」活動的濫觴,基本上其實就是順手牽羊偷東西。

  • A grafter's someone who doesn't want to work nine to five, but isn't lazy.

    當扒手的人並不想要朝九晚五的工作,但這不代表他很懶。

  • He's an entrepreneurial thief.

    他是個有企業家精神的竊賊。

  • He just doesn't want to pay for anything.

    他只是不想為任何事物付錢而已。

  • We had a motto, "To pay was to fail."

    我們有個座右銘叫做:「付錢與失敗無異」。

  • A lot of people would say, "I followed my older brother Colin."

    許多人說我是師承自我哥柯林的作法。

  • But Colin was pretty much in your face, you know, just took what he wanted.

    但柯林的手法基本上就是毫不掩飾,直接搶走自己想要的東西。

  • We tended to sneak around.

    我們則比較喜歡隱密行事。

  • Eventually, all these sneak thieves, we all got our act together.

    所以最後我們這些隱密型的竊賊便一起行動。

  • Like I said, we went out in twos and threes. We'd go to garden centers where tills were unattended.

    如同之前說過的,我們會以兩三個人為一組,去收銀機沒人看管的園藝中心行竊。

  • But the funny thing, the first till I did in a garden center was a big wooden drawer.

    這裡提件有趣的往事,就是我第一次在園藝中心偷的收銀檯有個很大的木製抽屜。

  • And as I pulled it out, it was so old it fell to pieces. All the cash was on the fucking floor.

    就在我把抽屜拉出來的時候,因為它實在太老舊了,於是當場變成碎屑掉了滿地。全部的現金都掉到了他媽的地板上。

  • So eventually, Colin was going abroad.

    最後柯林跑到國外去了。

  • We thought, "Why don't we go abroad?"

    於是我們心想,「那我們也去『國外』怎麼樣?」

  • And everyone's, "Oh, where's that, where's this?"

    大家於是討論起「噢要去哪,在哪裡?」

  • "It's abroad."

    「要去『國外』。」

  • "Where's abroad, what's abroad?"

    「『國外』在哪?『國外』是啥?」

  • We thought it was a town.

    我們那時候還以為『國外』是一個城鎮的名字。

  • You know, didn't even think it was in Europe.

    我們甚至不覺得是要去歐洲,以為還在英國。

  • We obviously went to Amsterdam because even at 16, we were all smoking joints.

    最後我們去了阿姆斯特丹,因為儘管當時我們才 16 歲,卻都有在吸大麻。

  • Me and my mate ended up in a wool shop.

    我和一位夥伴後來到了一間羊毛店。

  • And I've always said it, "What are two lads from England doing in a wool shop?"

    然後我說,「兩個從英國來的小夥子來羊毛店是要做什麼啊?」

  • Simply, underneath the till, got 500 guilders, which in them days, we was only 17, it's like £150.

    原因很簡單,因為在收銀台底下,藏著整整 500 荷蘭盾。在我們只有 17 歲的當年,大概能折和為 150 英鎊左右。

  • The average wage was £20 in England.

    而當時英國的平均日薪是 20 英鎊。

  • Then we started buying little cheap cars, going out.

    我們接著開始買便宜的小車到處兜風。

  • It was just basically going round.

    基本上都在繞著圈轉。

  • You could do a thousand shops a day.

    一天下來可以偷一千家店。

  • We went to Austria, then we went to Switzerland, Germany, Belgium, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg.

    我們去了奧地利、接著去了瑞士、德國、比利時、列支敦斯登、盧森堡。

  • As a rule, we didn't bother with major cities, they were more clued up.

    我們的規則是不去主要城市,因為他們的戒備比較高。

  • But the villages were great.

    但是小村莊則相當的棒。

  • So easy, it was pathetic.

    簡直容易下手到可悲的地步。

  • A few years into it, and we were really targeting jewelers for Rolexes.

    過了幾年,我們開始專門瞄準賣勞力士手錶的珠寶店。

  • You know, you're talking 30 Rolexes, even if you did them at scrap, that's £30,000.

    你知道,要是能偷到 30 個勞力士手錶,就算是拿去當廢料賣,也能賣到三萬英鎊。

  • We'd travel for three or four hours for further Rolex jobs.

    我們會開車三四個小時尋找偷勞力士手錶的機會。

  • And if they never happened, we'd just work our way back.

    如果沒能順利找到,那我們就開車回去。

  • And that would be just ad hoc.

    全部都是臨時起意。

  • But we'd go in jewelers again.

    但我們會再次走進珠寶商。

  • We'd just see a window, we'd say, "Right, there's a nice window, full of gold."

    我們看著櫥窗,然後說著「好,這櫥窗是個好目標,裡頭都是金飾。」

  • "Gold?" "Gold, yeah," we'd all say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."

    「黃金?」「對,黃金。」我們就這樣討論著「好好好。」

  • It become actually an art.

    這最後甚至成為了一種藝術。

  • When someone comes in a shop and disappears out of eyesight, everything is safe, it's locked up.

    商店主人看到有人進到商店裡並從視線消失時也覺得沒什麼,因為東西都鎖住了,應該很安全才對。

  • They don't know we've got the keys.

    但他們不知道我們拿到了鑰匙。

  • We looked all over the place, and the keys were next door in a shop.

    我們找遍了各處,才發現鑰匙就在旁邊的工坊中。

  • And they've got their wares in a cabinet with exactly the same key, in the jewelry shop.

    他們把所有的工具都放在一個櫥櫃裡,而這裡的櫥櫃用的鑰匙和珠寶店用的一模一樣。

  • So we used to collect all these keys.

    於是我們收集了這些鑰匙。

  • We'd get into jewelers sometimes where you'd open the safe, and there'd just be trays and trays and trays and trays of rings.

    我們有時進到珠寶店打開保險箱之後,能看到一排又一排的戒指。

  • That's how we were living. We were living for the moment.

    這就是我們的生活方式。我們活在當下。

  • None of us expected to reach old age, I'm afraid.

    我想我們之中應該沒有人覺得自己能活到多老。

  • It was funny because we had Spud, who was smaller than me.

    這很有趣,因為我們的夥伴中有年紀比我小的史帕德。

  • And then we had, John McKee, his name was it. He was a really big guy and he used to cover us all the time.

    然後我們有約翰麥基。他是個體格非常大的傢伙,每次都會掩護我們。

  • But John McKee'd have six Heinekens in the car before he went out.

    但約翰麥基每次在出門前都會先在車子裡喝上六罐海尼根啤酒。

  • He was a heroin taker.

    他還會吸食海洛因。

  • Once you're into heroin

    一但吸了海洛因-

  • We found out they were only taking little bits so they could get through the day.

    我們發現他們一次只會吸一點點,好讓他們能撐過一整天。

  • So they weren't out their heads, they knew what they were doing.

    這樣他們才不會發瘋,保持神智清醒。

  • So John McKee was a character.

    約翰麥基是個奇才。

  • Colin was a live wire.

    而柯林則是個好動份子。

  • He just wanted to rob from every single shop he went in.

    他只想搶劫每一個他踏進去的店家。

  • We eventuallySomeone told me, they said, “You know the police are watching you?”

    我們最後-有人告訴我說,「你知道警察盯上你們了嗎?」

  • And we thought nothing of it at the time because we could easily lose the police, you know, with all the canals in Amsterdam.

    我們當時沒想太多,畢竟利用阿姆斯特丹的運河,我們輕輕鬆鬆就能甩掉警察。

  • We had no fear of the police at all.

    我們一點也不怕警察。

  • I first got arrested in a place called Leiden, which is about 30 kilometers out of Amsterdam.

    我第一次被警察逮捕是在距離阿姆斯特丹 30 公里外,一個叫做萊登的地方。

  • That was on a baker's robbery, which I'm not proud to say, but you snatch cash outside the banks.

    那次是因為我們搶劫了一個烘焙坊。我對此並不感到自豪,但總得從銀行外的地方偷點現金。

  • About three or four days, it's the usual, “It wasn't me. You've got the wrong man,” and they've had to let me go.

    在三四天過後,我用平常的「不是我幹的。你們抓錯人了。」說法開脫,然後他們便得放我離開。

  • And they said, “Yeah, Interpol want a word with you.”

    接著他們說到:「好喔,國際刑警組織想和你談談。」

  • And I'd thought nothing of it.

    我當時根本沒多想。

  • I ordered a taxi.

    我叫了台計程車。

  • I could feel someone following me.

    然後感覺到有人證在跟蹤我。

  • Just as you're coming into Amsterdam, I said, “Taxi driver, that'll do me.”

    一到了阿姆斯特丹,我就跟司機說「司機,到這裡行了。」

  • And I just fucking ran, because I knew I'd been followed from Leiden.

    然後我頭也不回地狂奔,因為我知道有人從萊登一路跟蹤到了這裡。

  • And that night, we're in a club.

    當晚我們在一個俱樂部裡。

  • It was called the ROXY.

    那家俱樂部叫做 ROXY。

  • Everyone's on ecstasy at this time, it was about 1987.

    每個人都在吸毒,那年大約是 1987 年。

  • “I don't think we should be in the clubs tonight, lads,”

    「我覺得我們今晚不該泡在俱樂部裡,兄弟們。」

  • So we've gone out of the club, jumped in a taxi, drove past them.

    所以我們離開了俱樂部,跳上了一台計程車,經過了他們的埋伏。

  • We were giving it... so we're giving it that then.

    我們紛紛跟他們比出挑釁的手勢。

  • That's when we first got the inkling that it was Interpol and not the police.

    那是我們第一次發現原來在追蹤我們的不是警察,而是國際刑警組織。

  • After 15, 20 years of hearing, "English, English, English, English," they put a dossier together on us.

    在經過 15,20 年接獲報案都描述嫌犯是「英國人、英國人、英國人、英國人」,他們便編纂出了關於我們的檔案。

  • About 1987, I got stopped in Holland.

    差不多是 1987 年時,我在荷蘭被人攔下。

  • "We've been following you. We've been—"

    「我們一直在跟蹤你們。我們已經-」

  • I said, "I know you've been following us, but you're not very good at it."

    我於是說,「我知道你們在跟蹤我們,但你們的功夫有待加強。」

  • But eventually they put about five or six of us in jail.

    但最後他們還是把我們其中的五六個人都送進了監獄。

  • And it wasn't the exposure, it was just the time was up.

    倒不是我們行蹤暴露了,而是單純就是時機到了。

  • Security had moved on, cameras were starting to appear in the shops, CCTV's on the streets.

    商店的保安層級提高、攝影機開始出現在店裡、街上到處都是閉路電視監視器。

  • And this is the kind where you think the days are numbered.

    這種狀況下你就知道,留給自己的時間不多了。

  • In the end, I got just 18 months, which even I thought was ridiculous. I thought I was looking at five years.

    最後我被判了 18 個月,而就連我也覺得這個刑期短得荒謬。我原本以為我至少要坐五年牢。

  • But the jewelers we never got done for.

    但是珠寶店的案子我們從沒被定罪過。

We could steal practically anything because it was just unheard of, stealing, shoplifting abroad in Europe.

我們那時基本上什麼都能偷,因為當時歐洲去商店順手牽羊偷東西這種概念根本聞所未聞。

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