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  • - You're serious, aren't you?

  • You're telling us you killed those three young men

  • on the subway?

  • - Mm-hm.

  • - And why should we believe you?

  • - I got nothing left to lose.

  • - Not everybody does this,

  • it's extremely rare.

  • And, in fact, the Joker, unfortunately,

  • overplays the idea that mental illness

  • and violence are linked.

  • Hey GQ, I'm Dr. Eric Bender.

  • I'm a child, adolescent, adult and forensic psychiatrist,

  • and this is The Breakdown.

  • [upbeat music]

  • - [Eric] First up, "BoJack Horseman."

  • - Okay.

  • Trey and I will be in the coat room doing hand stuff.

  • Otherwise, you don't know anybody here.

  • - Hollyhock has walked into this party

  • and her friend is teasing her right away,

  • "You don't know anyone."

  • That is the worst thing you could say

  • to somebody who has what's called social anxiety disorder.

  • In social anxiety disorder,

  • people are terrified that when they go into a setting

  • where they don't know people,

  • or even when they do know people,

  • that they're gonna embarrass themselves,

  • that people are gonna see that they're anxious.

  • They might get so upset

  • they might even have some bodily pains,

  • like nausea or stomach pain,

  • and they wanna avoid the situation.

  • [club music] [Hollyhock breathing heavily]

  • As she looks around,

  • she starts to get more and more anxious.

  • You see her starting to hyperventilate.

  • She's starting to get short of breath.

  • There are all kinds of anxieties

  • and they differ in very significant ways.

  • Sometimes anxiety is really serious,

  • and we call things disorders if, in fact,

  • the anxiety impairs people's functionings during the day,

  • or in these cases,

  • say if she does have social anxiety disorder,

  • she avoids socializing.

  • That's pretty important for development.

  • That's impairing part of her life and a part of her day.

  • If it's a certain situation people avoid,

  • that can be called a phobia.

  • A fear of snakes, fear of flying.

  • So, there are specific situations that arise

  • that cause people anxiety too.

  • [Hollyhock breathing heavily]

  • - What do you see? - What?

  • - You are having an anxiety attack,

  • so look around the room and tell me what you see.

  • - I see people partying and passing out.

  • - This guy has done a really good job here

  • of using a therapy technique called grounding.

  • I have used this with patients.

  • When they get super anxious,

  • you can tell them to look around themselves

  • and to tell themselves where they are.

  • I'm standing here, I'm in a room, it is Tuesday.

  • - What else do you see?

  • - Books.

  • Pizza boxes.

  • I see light fixtures.

  • I see an odd amount of floor poufs.

  • - That's a terrific technique.

  • He also called it an anxiety attack.

  • That is another word people use to describe a panic attack.

  • She's clearly having a panic attack here.

  • He helps her with this grounding technique.

  • - You feel any calmer?

  • - Yeah, actually.

  • - It's a trick my psychiatrist taught me.

  • I'm Peter by the way.

  • So, this part is kinda of crowded.

  • You wanna go get some air?

  • - Yeah.

  • - If there are a lot of people around you

  • blocking where you are and where you're breathing,

  • yeah, absolutely, get out of the room

  • and get some fresh air.

  • You hear fresh air

  • because a lot of people have trouble, they're,

  • [Eric breathing quickly]

  • they're trying to breath,

  • so you want to get them out to a place

  • where they feel like they have more access to air,

  • so that can be more psychologically helpful too.

  • But I think sometimes it's even more,

  • "All right, let me get out of this crowded environment

  • "that's making me feel like I can't breathe."

  • Now, a panic attack usually comes on sudden onset

  • and they can tell they're having one.

  • They might say, "Yeah, I suspect if I go into that situation

  • "I'm going to have a panic attack."

  • But when it happens, it's just a super sudden onset

  • for most people.

  • Sometimes people with anxiety tend to drink more,

  • use substances more.

  • They want to feel relaxed.

  • Alcohol can relax you to some degree.

  • However, it can also on the rebound

  • make people's moods feel worse

  • or make anxiety worse.

  • So, then you can run into bad cycles of people feeling good,

  • and then it wears off, and they take more,

  • and they take more.

  • So there's this feeling like it can help,

  • but in the long run it might be hurting more.

  • I can't believe that one of the best portrayals

  • of anxiety and getting help

  • comes from a cartoon about anthropomorphize animals,

  • but this is really great.

  • First off, this guy is saying,

  • "Hey, I go to a psychiatrist."

  • That's going to make Hollyhock feel better.

  • He's saying, "Try this, it's helped me."

  • That's going to make her feel better.

  • So, this is a really good portrayal.

  • Next up, "Joker."

  • - You're serious, aren't you?

  • You're telling us you killed those three young men

  • on the subway?

  • - Mm-hm.

  • - And why should we believe you?

  • - I got nothing left to lose.

  • - So , I think about a couple of things.

  • The first thing is psychopathy.

  • And psychopathy is not a mental illness,

  • it's not a diagnosis.

  • Psychopathy is a collection of personality traits

  • that includes feeling no remorse,

  • it includes being callous, uncaring.

  • The Joker here is letting us know he's exactly that,

  • he has no remorse for killing these three people.

  • He also says he has nothing left to lose.

  • In a violence risk assessment in forensic psychiatry,

  • you look for things that are warning signs,

  • such as people who have been isolated and lonely,

  • people who have felt traumatized and persecuted,

  • and those who don't have any resilience factors,

  • factors inside that help them recover from traumatic events,

  • or external support, and that's exactly Arthur Fleck,

  • that's the Joker.

  • That can be what's called a pathway to violence.

  • Not everybody does this.

  • It's extremely rare.

  • And, in fact, the Joker unfortunately overplays the idea

  • that mental illness and violence are linked.

  • It's important to know that we don't know why

  • people get pushed over the edge,

  • and there are very, very few,

  • so that's really important.

  • At the same time,

  • there are people who are repeatedly traumatized,

  • neglected, abused,

  • and there's a rage that can develop inside them,

  • and I see that sometimes in psychotherapy

  • when I'm talking to people

  • who have been chronically abused or traumatized.

  • But again, those people do not, for the most part,

  • go out and commit any violent acts.

  • - My life is nothing but a comedy.

  • - Let me get this straight,

  • you think that killing those guys is funny?

  • - I do,

  • and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

  • - There's a difference between psychopathy and psychosis.

  • Psychosis is a break from reality.

  • People are hearing things, seeing things.

  • It's called hallucinations.

  • Those are psychotic issues.

  • The Joker doesn't seem to any of that.

  • In cases of psychopathy,

  • people use others in their lives to get what they want.

  • Other people are pawns.

  • - Ugh, why is everybody so upset about these guys?

  • If it was me dying on the sidewalk,

  • you'd walk right over me.

  • - We see his mood go back and forth from irritable,

  • to seemingly crying, to almost laughing a little bit.

  • That can be called a couple different things,

  • One word is lability, where you have such shifts,

  • but what explains it even more is probably a diagnosis

  • of what's called pseudobulbar affect.

  • And what that means is there's a disconnection

  • between the front of the brain, the cortex,

  • and the back of the brain, the cerebellum.

  • That connection actually helps us express our emotions.

  • When that's broken, either because of trauma,

  • and we know Arthur flack has a history of trauma

  • to his head even,

  • that connection can get disrupted.

  • And what happens is there can be a sudden onset of crying,

  • or laughing, even though the person might not even feel

  • as if something's humorous or that they're sad,

  • it just starts.

  • - What do you get-- - I don't think so.

  • - When you cross--

  • - [Murray] I think we're done with this show.

  • - A mentally ill loner with a society

  • that abandons him and treats him like trash?

  • - Call the police, Gene. - I'll tell you what you get.

  • - [Murray] Call the police.

  • - You get what you [beep] deserve.

  • - Something that also shows that this is more of

  • what's called psychopathy and not a psychosis,

  • a break from reality,

  • is that he's telling Murray exactly what's going to happen.

  • This is what you get.

  • He knows clearly what he's doing.

  • That show's he's of a sound mind.

  • He does not have any psychotic issue at this time.

  • He's not hearing voices.

  • He's not seeing things.

  • He doesn't have delusions.

  • In fact, his complaint about feeling discarded,

  • that is a common feeling

  • among people who do try to seek help

  • in the system for the traumas they've experienced.

  • Psychopath, you hear that word

  • and you do think of a serial killer

  • because a lot of the serial killers show psychopathy.

  • They don't care.

  • People are just pawns in their lives.

  • They're there for entertainment.

  • And I think in the Joker's case,

  • you might look at him and say,

  • "Here's this dude dressed all in clown makeup.

  • "There's gotta be something wrong with him."

  • Well, he's actually trying to be noticed in some ways.

  • This guy's lacked attention for his entire life

  • and he's been neglected.

  • He ends up getting pushed over the edge,

  • and again, we don't know why that happens,

  • and he turns to violence.

  • There is a genetic component to mental illness,

  • and his mother did have severe depression.

  • It's also much more common than people realize.

  • One in five Americans will have

  • a mental health challenge within a year.

  • And in fact, half of Americans will have

  • some mental health issue during their lifetime.

  • While the Joker ends up portraying this link

  • between violence and mental health issues

  • that doesn't exist, or perpetuates that stereotype,

  • it does do a very good job of showing

  • that resources can get pulled at any time.

  • At the end of the movie,

  • the social worker is explaining

  • that nobody cares about people like him,

  • that, in fact, money goes away,

  • and that does happen a lot.

  • So, clinics might be there,

  • and then they're relying on funding

  • that suddenly gets pulled,

  • and that translates into less help

  • for people who really do need it.

  • Next up, "Rain Man."

  • - Sally Dibbs.

  • Dibbs, Sally.

  • 461-0192.

  • - How did you know my phone number?

  • - How'd you know that?

  • - You said read the telephone book last night.

  • Dibbs, Sally.

  • - Okay, so this is something...

  • It's pretty rare.

  • It's called savant syndrome, first off.

  • The idea of someone being able to read a phone book

  • and memorize it and know phone numbers,

  • that is a pretty extraordinary ability.

  • Right now, there's supposedly maybe one in a million people

  • living with savant syndrome.

  • That means there's a certain gift,

  • and it's usually in a few areas.

  • It could be an art, in arithmetic or math,

  • it could be in music.

  • So, here we see Raymond is able to memorize phone numbers.

  • He has this savant syndrome.

  • He also has autism.

  • Autism is a developmental disorder,

  • which means that as someone is developing,

  • they don't develop in the way most people

  • in society would develop.

  • And in autism, you look at two main areas.

  • You look at how somebody is developing

  • and how they're communicating,

  • and that includes do they make eye contact

  • and communicate with language?

  • Do they actually seek out reciprocity

  • or do they offer reciprocity?

  • Meaning, can they participate with someone

  • in a conversation in a normal way?

  • Or do they not point things out,

  • not try to draw attention to things in their world,

  • and not respond to people?

  • And you look and see how they respond to

  • nonverbal cues, nonverbal language.

  • People with autism can have some deficits

  • in some of those areas.

  • Another area you look at

  • is the interests of people with autism,

  • where someone maybe just hones in on one thing

  • and sticks with that,

  • and has an unusual attachment to that one thing,

  • or do they have a broad range of interests?

  • Also, you look to see if somebody has what's called

  • stereotyped behaviors.

  • It's an attempt to really soothe oneself,

  • but it doesn't really fit.

  • We see a little bit of self-soothing here in "Rain Man"

  • where Raymond, at first,

  • is rocking back and forth like this.

  • He's trying to calm himself down.

  • So, these are things that I look for

  • in autistic spectrum disorders.

  • It's also important to note autistic spectrum disorder,

  • or autism, it's a wide spectrum.

  • It just like if you say you're sick,

  • you might have a cold

  • or you might be in the ICU and need surgery.

  • If someone has autism, they could be impaired severely,

  • and Raymond is more towards that end,

  • or someone can be highly functioning

  • and have what used to be called Asperger's disorder,

  • where they don't really have the problem

  • of never developing language,

  • which can happen in severe cases of autism.

  • They might develop language,

  • but there are these other quirks about them.

  • - Of course, I don't have my toothpicks.

  • - No, you don't need toothpicks.

  • - I don't have my toothpicks.

  • - You don't need toothpicks, Ray,

  • if the pancakes keeps sliding off,

  • you're gonna eat with a fork.

  • - I don't have my maple syrup either.

  • I'm gonna be without my maple syrup and my toothpicks.

  • - Here we see what's called an adherence to a routine

  • that doesn't make sense to most people,

  • but to someone with autism, like Raymond,

  • that routine really is important.

  • And you could see his brother just wants to get breakfast.

  • He just wants to eat.

  • But when there's a shift from that routine,

  • it can be very hard for someone with autism

  • to deal with that.

  • In terms of why, a lot of people believe

  • that it is a comfort, it's a soothing thing.

  • And when he's pulled away from that, he has some trouble.

  • - Definitely not gonna have my pancakes without--

  • Ow!

  • - Don't make a scene.

  • - Ow!

  • - So, Tom Cruise, while he seems to be

  • a jerky guy in the movie,

  • in some ways he's responding to Raymond,

  • at least in this scene,

  • the same way most people would feel: frustrated.

  • I see this with family sometimes

  • with children with autism for instance, or even adults.

  • They just want to eat breakfast.

  • They don't want to go through this routine

  • of putting things out in a certain way.

  • So, a lot of times families will say to me, "Do we do this?

  • "Do we just go with these routines or what?"

  • There is a method of teaching people with autism

  • to discover and to work on behaviors

  • that are not adherent to their routine.

  • Applied behavioral analysis is the technique,

  • and you are really positively reinforcing behaviors

  • that help someone deal with shifts in their routine.

  • You reward that, and that teaches them

  • that they can actually do something

  • outside of their routine they want.

  • There are times when you do feel forced to

  • go along with this adherence to routine,

  • but there are ways to change that.

  • [toothpicks clattering]

  • - 82, 82, 82.

  • - That's a lot more than 82 toothpicks, Ray.

  • - 246 total. - The change.

  • - What also is seen here is more of the savant syndrome.

  • About half the people with savant syndrome have autism,

  • the other half have other abnormalities

  • in their brain development.

  • In fact, the person, Kim Peek,

  • whom supposedly Raymond Babbitt was based on,

  • he actually had a different type of issue with his brain

  • not related to autism.

  • But again, savant syndrome is very rare.

  • "Rain Man" does a wonderful job

  • of bringing to the screen a topic

  • that was not talked about at all.

  • This was great.

  • It started a conversation.

  • The challenge here is that "Rain Man" ends up making people

  • think that if you have autism you have some superpower,

  • and that's not the case.

  • Next up, "The Undoing."

  • - The defendant's mother told you

  • that Jonathan suffered neither guilt nor grief

  • in reaction to his four year old sister's death.

  • - They were certain once the shock wore off

  • the suffering would begin, but it didn't.

  • It never came.

  • - There's a difference in my mind

  • between suffering and remorse.

  • Not being able to suffer to me

  • doesn't suggest that someone doesn't care.

  • Some people really push away those feelings.

  • They don't let themselves feel sad about it.

  • Just because somebody doesn't grieve

  • the way we would expect doesn't make them a psychopath.

  • But, the lack of remorse seen again,

  • and again, and again, and again,

  • that could make somebody a psychopath.

  • If I'm looking at a lack of remorse,

  • I'm looking for other qualities about somebody too.

  • A collection of personality traits

  • to say they're psychopathic.

  • So, that might mean somebody lies consistently

  • about their background and who they are,

  • where they are, what they're doing.

  • Somebody is very glib,

  • able to feign interest in things.

  • I don't look for just no grief and no remorse.

  • I'm looking for this collection of things together.

  • - You told your friend, Sylvia Steinetz,

  • that you believed your husband

  • suffered from narcissistic personality disorder.

  • - It wasn't a professional diagnosis.

  • - [Catherine] But your opinion--

  • - Narcissistic personality disorder

  • is another type of personality disorder.

  • A narcissist, they do have a sense of grandiosity.

  • A sense of self-importance.

  • There might be fantasies about unlimited power,

  • beauty, money, things like that.

  • There are a number of other ways

  • someone can be a narcissist,

  • but there's a term called malignant narcissism,

  • which is used to describe people who do have

  • the narcissistic personality disorder

  • that include this lack of empathy,

  • that include using people in an exploitative ways.

  • In fact, when we look at serial killers,

  • sometimes we say that

  • serial killers have malignant narcissism,

  • that there's this lack of empathy.

  • And again, these are psychopathic traits as well.

  • Psychopathy is really interesting.

  • Even in populations that are very genetically isolated,

  • you might get a psychopath popping up,

  • just they're born that way.

  • That's the idea,

  • that innately there's just this callous,

  • uncaring nature to them.

  • The old way of looking at psychopathy,

  • they had what were called factor one traits,

  • there were traits about your personality,

  • and they had factor two traits.

  • That was the criminal behavior.

  • So, there's different layers of criminal behavior,

  • and it doesn't have to be murder.

  • Some people think that there's

  • white collar psychopaths so to speak,

  • where in companies people are doing things

  • that are kind of dodgy, not exactly following the rules,

  • and maybe those are psychopaths too.

  • There was a book a couple of years ago

  • exploring how many CEOs might have psychopathic traits.

  • Perhaps there's something about power,

  • perhaps in order to get to that level

  • you have to not care about other people.

  • You have to demand a certain level of treatment and respect,

  • and that's what narcissists do.

  • So there are all these different factors of narcissism,

  • but like I said, it doesn't mean they all lack empathy.

  • However, perhaps there's some degree of that

  • in certain people that do make it into those positions.

  • - Doctor, in your practice,

  • do you not tell patients that sometimes

  • they so want to believe in their partners

  • that they choose to unknown things, unsee things?

  • - There are cases of serial killers

  • where their partners had no idea

  • that they were out there killing hundreds of people.

  • That's pretty common that people don't know

  • about that side of their partner.

  • I think, as a psychologist or a psychiatrist,

  • you might actually try to hone in more

  • on people's personalities,

  • but you have to separate business and pleasure,

  • so maybe there was a lack of ability for her to see that.

  • It wouldn't surprise me.

  • Next up, "As Good As It Gets."

  • [locks clicking]

  • - One, two, three.

  • - I think what this character is certainly trying to depict

  • is something called obsessive compulsive disorder, or OCD.

  • Now, obsessive compulsive disorder

  • means that an individual has obsessions

  • or intrusive thoughts that don't feel right to them.

  • They feel what's called egodystonic.

  • It doesn't mesh with how they actually think,

  • or believe, or feel,

  • but something so powerful about them

  • that they obsess over them.

  • And then what we saw here

  • is what's called compulsive behavior.

  • The compulsions are the behaviors you do

  • to get rid of that anxiety over the obsessions.

  • It's a pretty extreme example.

  • Jack Nicholson's character has the obsessions

  • over being dirty, and the obsessions over numbers,

  • and the obsessions over this.

  • I mean, that's a pretty extreme example,

  • but that's what Hollywood does

  • to try to depict these things.

  • What's not seen is just how powerful

  • the obsession itself can be.

  • You kind of glean that

  • from the fact that he's doing all these things,

  • that obsession about being dirty is so upsetting to him,

  • but that parts left out.

  • It can be an extremely uncomfortable feeling

  • not to participate in the compulsive behavior.

  • His anxiety level might be sky high,

  • and that's why he's doing this, to avoid that feeling.

  • So, he's driven to do it to get rid of that

  • severe, severe anxiety.

  • There are ways to treat this.

  • There's cognitive behavioral therapy.

  • It's a way of challenging your thoughts,

  • the cognitive part.

  • Even more specifically is something called

  • exposure response prevention.

  • You expose yourself to the thing that makes you so anxious.

  • So, if it's that he's going to be dirty,

  • you might have him touch something that's dirty

  • and then wait, not wash his hands immediately.

  • And the idea is with repeated exposures

  • he could actually have his anxiety level go down over time.

  • We don't know why it happens.

  • It does just come in and start,

  • and you really do need to treat it

  • with exposure and response prevention

  • and also some medications.

  • People can actually have rituals or routines that they do

  • that seem very obsessive

  • but never really get diagnosed.

  • So, for instance, if you're always worried

  • about the door being locked,

  • and say you live with somebody

  • who doesn't always keep it locked,

  • and you go back and check,

  • that serves a functional purpose.

  • It means there's a reason you do that,

  • making sure you're safe.

  • But at the same time,

  • for some people there might be an element

  • of an obsession about that.

  • A fear that somebody's going to break in,

  • a fear that the door's not locked.

  • So, you can have OCD symptoms and not get diagnosed.

  • - Hi.

  • Help!

  • - If you want to see me, you will not do this.

  • You will make an appointment.

  • - So, here we do start to see just how upset

  • Jack Nicholson's character is with these anxieties,

  • and these obsessions, these compulsions that he has.

  • If someone has OCD,

  • they're not necessarily going to be a jerk and act this way.

  • The psychiatrist responds well

  • by putting limits on things and boundaries.

  • "We're not going to do this now.

  • "If you want an appointment, make an appointment."

  • I think that's also really important

  • in treatment with anybody to have good boundaries,

  • but you do start to see how hard this is for this character.

  • Typically, this doesn't happen with OCD.

  • There are other mental health issues where maybe

  • somebody has really bad boundaries.

  • And I think that's what they're hinting at too,

  • that he has other personality traits that make it hard

  • for him to interact with people in his world,

  • but at the same time, you see how much pain he's in.

  • - If you take responsibility to keep regular appointment--

  • - You changed the room.

  • - Two years ago.

  • I also regrew my beard,

  • but you're not interested in changes in me.

  • - That's not typical for someone with OCD

  • that they don't have any interest in other people.

  • I think what they're getting at here is that

  • there's something about this character that's beyond OCD.

  • That could be a personality disorder.

  • There's a difference between obsessive compulsive disorder

  • and obsessive compulsive personality disorder.

  • OCD, the phrase is you're uncomfortable.

  • You're really uncomfortable with what's going on.

  • OCPD, obsessive compulsive disorder,

  • the phrase is you make other people uncomfortable

  • because you want things in a certain way

  • and you believe it should be in a certain way.

  • Not because of OCD,

  • just because of the way you're wired here.

  • Here they're mixing a little bit of both.

  • Next up, "Girl, Interrupted."

  • - Am I in trouble for kissing an orderly

  • or giving my boyfriend a [beep]job?

  • - Susanna is supposed to have a diagnosis

  • of borderline personality disorder.

  • What that means is somebody is interacting

  • with the world vastly different than the cultural norm

  • and it causes problems for them.

  • Borderline was originally used to describe someone

  • who is on the border between neurotic,

  • meaning managing a lot of anxiety,

  • and psychotic, having a break from reality.

  • - You have some very interesting theories

  • about your illness.

  • You believe there is a mystical undertow in life.

  • Quicksands of shadows.

  • - We see a couple of things that suggests

  • she does have borderline personality disorder.

  • You have references to reckless behavior, which can occur,

  • and they're hinting that it's the sexual episode she's had.

  • There is this description of quicksands of time,

  • which might be more philosophical,

  • but the idea of shadows, is she seeing things at times?

  • Does she feel like there's something else there?

  • There can be chronic feelings of emptiness.

  • There can be an unstable sense of oneself.

  • That's what's being identified here by the psychiatrist.

  • - Your progress has plateaued.

  • Does that disappoint you?

  • - I'm ambivalent.

  • In fact, that's my new favorite word.

  • - This is actually really good therapy.

  • The psychiatrist identifies a plateau,

  • and she feels this patient can handle it

  • and pushes her a bit to say, you know,

  • "What do you think about your treatment?"

  • - It means I don't care.

  • That's what it means.

  • - On the contrary, Susanna, ambivalence suggests

  • strong feelings in opposition.

  • - She says she's ambivalent,

  • and she's really identifying something

  • I see in a lot of patients.

  • There are two types of feeling,

  • there's both a desire to get better

  • and there's this desire to give up.

  • A lot of times those are the opposing feelings,

  • so you really do see ambivalence in patients

  • and identifying it is very important for the therapy.

  • - The prefix, as an ambidextrous, means "both."

  • The rest of it, in Latin, means "figure."

  • The word suggests that you are torn.

  • - The doctor does a great job

  • in pointing out that it's not about not caring,

  • it's about the conflict between really wanting to get better

  • and feeling, "This is so hard, I'm never going to better,

  • "and I can't do this."

  • Ambivalence isn't a diagnosis, but it's commented on.

  • It certainly can be commented on

  • and it is fodder for the therapy.

  • I mean, that's certainly something to talk about,

  • and she picks up on it well.

  • - I signed myself in, I should be able to sign myself out.

  • - You signed yourself into our care.

  • We decide when you leave.

  • - You can sign yourself in voluntarily,

  • and you can argue that it's time to leave the hospital.

  • They can't keep you like this

  • unless you're a danger to self, danger to others,

  • or you're gravely disabled.

  • - How much will you indulge in your flaws?

  • What are your flaws?

  • Are they flaws?

  • If you embrace them,

  • will you commit yourself to hospital for life?

  • - You typically don't have this kind of

  • intensive psychotherapy when someone is in the hospital

  • for a short time.

  • This was a different time, the '60s,

  • and the psychiatrist does a really good job.

  • She's actually bringing forth all the questions

  • that someone with a borderline personality disorder

  • might be facing but not know how to articulate.

  • They're wondering are they really a bad person?

  • That unstable sense of self.

  • Or are they not?

  • Are there different ways to see things?

  • If I go down this path of thinking about myself,

  • how will my life look?

  • If I go down this path, how will life be?

  • So she does a really good job articulating for the patient

  • what might be inside her, what she might be thinking,

  • what she might be feeling,

  • and that can be a really effective therapeutic method.

  • There are a lot more pressures on kids

  • and adolescents these days.

  • What used to happen is

  • if you were getting bullied at school,

  • you were having a disagreement with somebody,

  • you could go home and have a respite

  • at least for, you know, 10 hours, 12 hours.

  • Now you can't, it's nonstop.

  • There is social media, there are text messages,

  • it's just nonstop.

  • Not only in a negative way,

  • because maybe people are cyber bullying,

  • but also kids today feel like their social life

  • revolves around who's commenting on this

  • and who's done what,

  • so there's this drive to be social that way to keep up,

  • and that can cause a lot of anxiety.

  • Another good thing that "Girl, Interrupted" does

  • is it shows someone who can participate in their treatment,

  • and who's not quote, unquote, "Crazy."

  • A lot of depictions of mental illness

  • show people who are so affected by their illness

  • that they can't function in society.

  • Susanna here does not have psychotic illnesses.

  • She might have some beliefs about herself that aren't true,

  • but that could come from trauma.

  • It could come from other things.

  • "Girl, Interrupted" does a good job of showing

  • that you can have somebody who is quite functional.

  • For many people,

  • mental illness is a part of who they are,

  • it doesn't define them.

  • Next up, "Inside Out."

  • - Won't it be great to be back out on the ice?

  • - Oh yeah, that sounds fantastic.

  • - So, pretty good depiction of depression in a teenager.

  • People often expect kids and teenagers

  • to appear sad when they're depressed,

  • but more commonly you see teenagers as irritable.

  • There is literally the absence of joy in her mind,

  • and she's not necessarily sad, she's irritable.

  • She doesn't know what to do or what to say.

  • That might be polite,

  • because she's not focused on that.

  • - Did you guys pick up on that?

  • - Uh-huh. - Mm-hm.

  • - Sure did. - Something's wrong.

  • - Should we ask her?

  • - Let's probe, but keep it subtle so she doesn't notice.

  • So, how was the first day of school?

  • - She's probing us.

  • - The other part of this that's really good

  • is the depiction of the parents, while humorous,

  • the mom's wondering, "What do I do?

  • "What do I do for my daughter?

  • "Something's not quite right."

  • They have a sense that something's not okay.

  • I think it's pretty clear as you see her more

  • throughout the movie that she's suffering

  • from some depression.

  • In depression, you look for a depressed mood,

  • or that irritability in an adolescent.

  • You look at loss of appetite, difficulty with sleep.

  • Are the things that interested her still joyful to her?

  • So hockey used to be, it doesn't seem to be anymore.

  • How she's concentrating.

  • She's not even focused on the questions.

  • It's kind of, "Huh?

  • "What?"

  • What you look at all of these things,

  • and together they describe a picture of depression.

  • Kids feel a lot of different things,

  • and especially in the teenage years

  • what they're interested in is new to them,

  • and they don't know how to explore that sometimes.

  • So all these feelings do intermix

  • and do exist in the head of a teenager.

  • I'm somebody who doesn't believe that teenage years

  • need to be all kinds of crazy.

  • I think actually they can be enjoyable years,

  • but it's important for parents to let kids explore life

  • and to take chances.

  • - School was great, all right?

  • - Riley, is everything okay?

  • - Ugh.

  • - Sir, she just rolled her eyes at us.

  • - What is her deal?

  • - Riley also just moved from Minnesota to San Francisco,

  • which is like moving to the moon,

  • so it's totally understandable

  • that she would feel out of place.

  • Even little things are hard for her to get used to.

  • When I see kids, one of the things I ask,

  • "Are there any major life changes?"

  • Because it can really be jarring to somebody.

  • - Riley, I do not like this new attitude.

  • - Oh, I'll show you attitude, old man.

  • - No, no, no, no, stay happy!

  • - What is your problem?

  • Just leave me alone!

  • - It is common for kids and teenagers, though,

  • to have mood issues, to have depression, to have anxiety.

  • And in some areas, the Bay area for instance,

  • New York, there's a high pressure,

  • so you often see kids with a lot of anxiety.

  • - That's it.

  • Go to your room.

  • Now.

  • - Ugh!

  • [emotions cheering]

  • - Good job, gentlemen.

  • That could have been a disaster.

  • - Well, that was a disaster.

  • - With adolescents there are certain approaches

  • that I recommend parents take.

  • You learn a lot more from an adolescent

  • when you are sitting side by side with them

  • or walking side by side with them

  • as opposed to direct eye contact.

  • That's more threatening for a teenager.

  • So if you go to a baseball game,

  • or if you're driving, or walking,

  • you're going to get a lot more out of that teenager

  • than you would if you're sitting there

  • talking to them eye to eye.

  • Also, probing is a good word.

  • You don't have to probe the teenager.

  • You can make observations.

  • You can make quick observations that can be really helpful

  • for fostering conversation.

  • This movie is actually really supposed to be

  • about mental health.

  • They had consultants working on the film,

  • psychologists and people really did explore emotions.

  • They really wanted to get it to be an accurate depiction

  • of mental health issues.

  • So, I really liked movie

  • and I think they did a good job depicting that.

  • And also, the parents feel so helpless

  • and they just want their kid to feel good,

  • and that's a message I see all the time from parents.

  • Next up, "Lars and the Real Girl."

  • - Minimalist Living or Country Home?

  • That's what I would have said.

  • - First thought you have about this guy

  • is that he's psychotic.

  • He has some delusional thinking here,

  • meaning he believes this doll is real

  • despite evidence to show she's not real.

  • In real life, you'd never see a psychotic issue like this,

  • because this last through the whole movie

  • and psychosis is generally not that persistent.

  • When someone has a psychotic disorder

  • you would have episodes of that.

  • Lars in the movie is being depicted as somebody

  • who really has no interest in relationships.

  • He's wearing gloves at times too,

  • doesn't want to touch people.

  • So it's never really explained in the movie what Lars has,

  • but when I look at him, I think he has some form of autism,

  • probably what would have been called Asperger's.

  • We don't use the term Asperger's disorder any longer.

  • What used to be those criteria are now fit under

  • autistic spectrum disorder.

  • He can communicate with people,

  • but he has trouble with relationships.

  • He doesn't know how to have them.

  • And that can be part of the problem

  • in terms of how they socialize

  • and communicate with other people.

  • The fact that he does want to have it

  • makes me think he falls more in line with

  • an autistic spectrum disorder

  • as opposed to other psychiatric illnesses

  • that you might see where someone stays away

  • from other people and fails to have relationships with them.

  • One of those things is schizoid personality disorder,

  • where a person doesn't want to have

  • any contact with anybody,

  • they see no meaning whatsoever in relationships.

  • He seems to see something,

  • because he wants to have this relationship with Bianca.

  • He brings her to the doctor

  • and is concerned about her blood pressure.

  • And I really think the best way to think about Lars

  • is what's the poetic meaning behind it,

  • but if we're looking for a mental health diagnosis

  • it probably falls more in line with

  • autistic spectrum disorder.

  • - I want you to bring her in every week

  • for special treatment.

  • Can you do that?

  • - Yeah.

  • Are you sure that that's necessary?

  • - I like to look at the whole emotional picture of Lars.

  • That's certainly what the doctor here does.

  • What Lars does have trouble with

  • is interacting with other people.

  • At times he's seen wearing black gloves even.

  • He doesn't want to touch people, said it hurts.

  • If you look at the psychological way to interpret that,

  • the emotional part of it,

  • he had a mother who died early

  • to the point that his father wasn't available to him.

  • That's some significant psychological trauma for a kid

  • not to have parents who are emotionally available.

  • So, wearing those gloves might signify it's painful for him

  • to even imagine being able to touch somebody,

  • because he feels so removed and so isolated from people.

  • So, there's a real emotional meaning behind this movie,

  • and the doctor picks up on it.

  • - I look forward to getting to know you, Bianca.

  • - So, this doctor is also a psychologist in the movie.

  • In this case, she's that this doll means something to Lars.

  • It's not just a psychotic disorder,

  • which means it's not just some delusion.

  • There's something here more emotional for him

  • and she picks up on that.

  • She asks him to come back.

  • And she's starting to some might say play into the delusion,

  • but I think what she's doing,

  • she's creating what's called a holding space.

  • What that is in psychology is a place for someone

  • to make a transition from something

  • very difficult emotionally to another place

  • that can be also difficult emotionally.

  • I think for Lars, he's transitioning from not really knowing

  • how to have relationships with people to even trying.

  • And this doll is kind of the object

  • that he starts to use to make that transition.

  • It's a good thing this is in Wisconsin,

  • because good luck getting somebody

  • to buy into this in New York City.

  • But in this town, this doctor can foster the whole town

  • to inquire about Bianca and make it seem like she is real

  • because she sees it is something important to Lars.

  • I think, again, this is more of a magical movie,

  • in that sense.

  • There is that emotional component to it.

  • If you are a functioning person

  • in therapy coming every week,

  • there could be some therapeutic component

  • to talking about the doll.

  • He's not hurting anybody with the doll.

  • He's not causing any violence.

  • He's not doing anything that would make it seem like

  • he's not functioning or needs to go to the hospital.

  • So, this is certainly a path to try to understand him more.

  • Next up, "Silver Linings Playbook."

  • - Mom, mom, mom!

  • I can't find my wedding video.

  • Mom, wake up.

  • - What is it?

  • - [Pat] Where's my wedding video?

  • - It's after three o'clock, what are you doing?

  • - I looked in here but this is all your [beep] up here

  • for your sewing and everything.

  • - This is a good depiction of a manic episode.

  • A manic episode means that for about a week

  • someone has had increased energy

  • with no need for a full night's sleep,

  • maybe just a couple hours.

  • They can be really elevated with their mood

  • and they can be irritable.

  • There's also a grandiosity,

  • a sense of self-importance,

  • possibly even doing things

  • that are somewhat dangerous or reckless.

  • And we're seeing him start to spiral

  • into this manic episode here.

  • We know the character has a bipolar disorder.

  • Bipolar disorder means that there's this change in mood

  • from baseline to this expansive elevated state.

  • There can be the other side, a depressive episode,

  • but there doesn't have to be

  • for somebody to be diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

  • Some people with bipolar disorder have only a manic state

  • every now and then, they don't have the depressive low.

  • You can get something in a manic episode

  • called increased goal directed behavior.

  • You can be really focused on one thing.

  • Some people, it's like,

  • "I'm going to write the next great novel.

  • "I'm going to change the course of humanity.

  • "I'm going to rebuild this wing of my home."

  • This is a much smaller task,

  • but he does get very focused on finding his wedding video.

  • It's not unheard of to have a task

  • that doesn't seem to mean a lot

  • suddenly take up all of someone's time

  • when they're in the middle of a manic episode.

  • - [Pat] I want to watch it!

  • - Stop it! - Hey!

  • - It's my wedding!

  • It's my wedding video!

  • - What's also important to note is that their family

  • are woken up in the middle of the night.

  • The family involvement is quite often seen.

  • A family can get really disrupted

  • because of an untreated episode

  • or because of these episodes.

  • - Let go of me! - Let him go!

  • - I'm sorry, I'm sorry!

  • - You have to make some hard choices.

  • If this were going on and he's manic like this

  • and he were actually violent with the family

  • and not able to stop,

  • you might have to call the police and have him brought in

  • to a mental health hospital so that he can be

  • at least evaluated for some time and calm down.

  • - You have to talk to her.

  • - Hey, sit down.

  • Listen, you're the one with a problem here, nobody else.

  • - You got to stop with these crazy theories.

  • He's a cop.

  • What are you doing?

  • - It's a medication problem and he's fine.

  • - Yeah, he's fine now?

  • You want to send it back to Baltimore?

  • - The mother says it's a medication issue.

  • That can be really demeaning to a patient

  • to feel like everything's dismissed

  • and it's just about medication.

  • It's true that that often is said,

  • and it's really painful to the person

  • who has the bipolar disorder

  • or any mental health issue.

  • It's common with mental illness

  • that people do have strong feelings about their medication.

  • There can be side effects.

  • In a bipolar disorder, if it's a manic episode,

  • you would try to put the brakes on

  • with an anti-psychotic medication,

  • and those medications do have side effects.

  • They can make people very sleepy.

  • There can be weight gain.

  • But, it's a bigger danger to have somebody who's manic

  • and who can do dangerous things.

  • You can use some medications, including anti-psychotics,

  • as mood stabilizers for long-term treatment.

  • Family members can really support people

  • with bipolar disorder

  • or even other mental health issues in many ways.

  • You can ask them, "What's it like to have this?"

  • They might not want to talk about it,

  • but just saying something like,

  • "If you ever want to talk about this,

  • "I'm certainly willing to talk about it with you.

  • "I want to be here to help you."

  • So just knowing that somebody's there for you to talk about

  • can be super helpful.

  • Support and love are very important

  • when it comes to helping somebody with mental illness.

  • It can't cure it.

  • That's the knock on the movie is that

  • everything turns out fine.

  • And there's some hint that Pat starts

  • taking his medication again,

  • but it's a hint,

  • it's not something that's shown very clearly.

  • So you do need to have love,

  • you do need to have support,

  • but it's not going to clear everything.

  • Next up, "A Beautiful Mind."

  • - Saw my name on the lecture slate.

  • You lying son of a bitch!

  • - who you're talking to?

  • Tell me who you see.

  • - Here we see a depiction of schizophrenia,

  • and schizophrenia is often misunderstood.

  • Schizophrenia is a psychotic illness.

  • It's an illness, meaning there's a break from reality.

  • Schizophrenia is a diagnosis you give after seeing someone

  • have a consistent psychotic episode

  • or episodes over a certain amount of time.

  • So at first it would be a psychotic episode

  • or a psychotic break,

  • but you wait to diagnose schizophrenia

  • until time has passed and it's still there.

  • A month long of hallucinations, or delusions,

  • or a thought disorder.

  • In schizophrenia, visual hallucinations

  • are not as consistent as this guy, Charles,

  • his so-called roommate.

  • I think they're trying to obviously get you to see that

  • he's seeing something that's not really there,

  • but you don't usually see something as consistent.

  • It's more of a blur.

  • It's more temporary.

  • The doctor really does try to ask John, "What's going on?

  • "What are you seeing?"

  • And that's a good technique.

  • What I often like to do is to say something like,

  • "Do you feel like your mind is playing tricks on you?

  • "Do you feel like you're seeing things

  • "other people aren't seeing

  • "or hearing things other people aren't hearing?"

  • Sometimes that can be a little bit more gentle than,

  • "What are you seeing?"

  • But I think it is a good idea to figure out

  • what is this person seeing.

  • - There's no one there, John.

  • There's no one there.

  • - He's right there.

  • He's right there.

  • - Some of these medications do have side effects

  • that can include drooling,

  • but it shouldn't be a deterrent from taking medication

  • because the medications can help with delusions

  • and hallucinations that really impair

  • someone's ability to function.

  • One thing that "A Beautiful Mind" did

  • was it kind of correlated having schizophrenia

  • and having a psychotic illness with having genius,

  • or that he's a genius because of his schizophrenia.

  • That's not the case.

  • You're not going to become a genius

  • because you have a psychotic illness like schizophrenia.

  • He might have a high intellect and also have schizophrenia,

  • but it's not the cause of it.

  • In fact, there's what's called a downward drift.

  • If someone has a psychotic illness

  • and doesn't get treated,

  • over time, it becomes harder and harder for them

  • to function in society,

  • not that they get smarter and smarter,

  • and they actually have a really hard time

  • functioning in their daily life.

  • - My name is John Nash.

  • I'm being held against my will.

  • Somebody call the Department of Defense.

  • - You do sometimes see patients yelling out like that

  • who are delusional, who are paranoid

  • that they're being held against their will,

  • and sometimes they are being held against their will

  • because they're believed to be a danger

  • to themselves or others,

  • or because they actually can't provide themselves

  • with food, clothing, and shelter, they're gravely disabled,

  • which is more of what he is.

  • But you do see people sometimes yell like this.

  • This is an old psych ward.

  • It's pretty big and there are a lot of people around.

  • I think in this shot here there's maybe six

  • mental health providers.

  • I feel like in some States there might not even be

  • six mental health providers,

  • there's such a shortage of mental health providers.

  • But a psychiatric ward can look like this

  • where there are rooms

  • and those rooms are private rooms for people.

  • This is dramatized to some degree.

  • They usually don't look like jails,

  • so that part's a little bit off,

  • but I can see that they're trying to show

  • that the patients are housed here

  • and their individual rooms and doors on the left.

  • I think it's really important for media to get depictions

  • of mental health right,

  • because people get a lot of their information

  • from these movies,

  • even though it's not necessarily accurate.

  • It's important to be accurate.

  • I was at a convention once.

  • This girl stood up, started crying, and said,

  • "When am I going to see a depiction of someone

  • "with mental illness who's not going to make me feel like

  • "I'm going to turn into a serial killer?"

  • So that's reason enough to have accurate depictions,

  • so people don't feel ashamed about themselves,

  • so people don't feel ashamed of going to treatment,

  • so people can have conversations,

  • and people can really pursue the help that they need.

  • Thanks so much for watching these clips with me.

  • I enjoyed breaking them down

  • and I hope you did too.

  • Hope to do it again with you in the future.

  • [upbeat music]

- You're serious, aren't you?

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